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[amardeep]

Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai Bhee Sach, Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach.
Sultan Al Awal, Wa Al Akhir.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh.


Having read the Bhagavad Gita recently i must say i was absolutely amazed. It is very enlightening and gave me a deeper understanding of a Gurbani, the perfect devotee and the concept af Avatar.. The sayings of Krishna are very similiar to the Bani of Guru Tegh Bahadur Maharaj. It is an absolutely amazing read and i understand why it is a part of Nirmala litterature.. Absolutely amazing.

Krishna discusses the various forms of Yoga, and i would like to know which of these you consider to be the yoga of the Gurus?

Karma Yoga
Bhakti Yoga
Jnana Yoga


also, in the fourth chapter Krishna Maharaj talks about his teachings being aad, jugaad, hai bhi sach, and I do not see any conflict between the Gita and Guru Maharajs teachings, so are the teachings the same, except a new rehit has been given in kalyug?

finally, in Dasam Granth Krishna is mentioned as an avatar of Vishnu, and Vishnu is himself an avatar of Brahman, but Krishna Maharaj in Bhagavad Gita explains himself as being the avatar of Brahman and not vishnu?

[amardeep]

to read more about the Gita

http://en.wikipedia....i/Bhagavad_gita

[amardeep]

Another Thing.. i recall having read that the traditional groups of Sikhs such as taksalis, nihangs nirmale and udasis etc all hold Krishna in high esteem.
how is their interpretation of the following hymn from Japji Sahib describing Giyaan Khand:

ਕੇਤੇ ਪਵਣ ਪਾਣੀ ਵੈਸੰਤਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕਾਨ ਮਹੇਸ ॥
केते पवण पाणी वैसंतर केते कान महेस ॥
Kėṯė pavaṇ pāṇī vaisanṯar kėṯė kān mahės.
So many winds, waters and fires; so many Krishnas and Shivas

i once heard someone say its because only went to second level of spirituality, but i dont belive this to be true..

[Matheen]

All Devi/Devte are respected because they carry out their duties without fail. "Ik Sansari, Ik Bhandari, Ik Laye Di Baan...."

At the same time, Guru Ji also tells us that they all long for a human birth once more so they can reach the final stage and become one with Waheguru.

Chaupai Sahib make Guru Ji's views clear. Also, have you read Chaubis Avtar?

[amardeep]

no i have not read Chaubis avatar. i have read a few lines from it, but thats about it.

[Matheen]

Go here: (this link should take you to Krisna's story, with translation, in Chaubis Avtar):
http://www.sridasam....tion=Page&p=644

[amardeep]

I find these to be quite interesting:

Learn the Dharma of this age, O Siblings of Destiny;
all understanding is obtained from the Perfect Guru.
Page 230, Line 8


Celibacy, self-discipline and pilgrimages were the essence of Dharma in those past ages; but in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Praise of the Lord's Name is the essence of Dharma. ||2||

Each and every age has its own essence of Dharma; study the Vedas and the Puraanas, and see this as true.

Page 797, Line 18

Does this mean that the Dharma brought by Krishna has been replaced by the Dharm of Guru Nanak? There is a hare krishna temple near our Gurdwara and i see their practices to be very similiar to us ie Jaapa, Kirtana etc..

[Mithr]

The Gita truelly is an amazing work to read. It gives such a deep understanding of the self. It puts everything in context. The Upanishads are also a must read.

[Kam1825]

I would say all religious texts are worth reading. The Upanishads i have to agree with Mithr are a must read.

[amardeep]

bump

[Mekhane'ch Jannat]

Also have a look at some of teachings of Baba Gorakhnatha, siddha-siddhanta-paddhati, yoga-vishaya. There is also some works by the yogis mentioned in siddha gosht - charpat ji ki shabad and some others also.

[amardeep]

thanks.. where can i find this litterature? preferebly in english please

[Mekhane'ch Jannat]

i don't know, let it find you, if you need it.

[amardeep]

Alright ji, i'll just sit in my room and wait till the day they come in my presence and present themselves

[Kaljug]

Fateh!

In Sikhi, the avatars like Krishna are considered to be created and eventually destroyed by Akal Purakh (see especially Sri Kal Ji ki Ustat in Dasam Granth). They all led their devotees to worship themselves rather than Karta Purakh due to their haumai (see Dasam Granth, Chaubis Avatar).

The Gita is part of the Vaishnavite tradition which considers Vishnu to be the Supreme Brahman and not just one member of the trimurti (Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva) so there is no contradiction in Krishna saying he is avatar of Brahman in the Gita and Gurbani saying he is an avatar of Vishnu. However, I'm pretty sure that Krishna is said to be an avatar of Vishnu in Bhagavad Gita (it's been a long time since I read it).

Anyway, it's a great granth to read and does illuminate many aspects of Gurbani, as do the principal upanishads, Kabir's Anurag Sagar, and even the vedas are an interesting read.

The best book I have read on Gorakhnath in English is Akshay Kumar Banerjee's Philosophy of Gorakhnath. You can find some of his writings on Mike Magee's website www.shivashakti.com.

Regards,
K.