Persons propagating against Dasam granth say that Dasam bani is full of eulogy for Hindu devtas.
They say so because it has stories of Avtars. Their statement stems out of ignorance as Dasam granth
is more explicit in denouncing avtarvad than SGGS ji.
That shows the haters of Guru Gobind singh sahib's bani have either not read Dasam Granth or they have
not understood it. The purpose of this thread is to invite them for discussion so that they reveal basis of their conclusions.
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Chaubis Avtar Of Dasam Granth
Started by singh2, Jul 08 2009 02:42 PM
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 04:28 PM
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Dear all!
I request anybody's Guru Mind Singh Khalsa to provide the birthday data, place of birth and time etc. of a Devi or a Deva.
Please do this favor to the mankind. I will also be grateful.
Balbir Singh
Dear all!
I request anybody's Guru Mind Singh Khalsa to provide the birthday data, place of birth and time etc. of a Devi or a Deva.
Please do this favor to the mankind. I will also be grateful.
Balbir Singh
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 06:02 PM
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Dear all!
Is it possible for someone to note down at least the death time and place of a Devi or a Deva?
I hope some are aware of all that happens. Please respond.
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Dear all!
Is it possible for someone to note down at least the death time and place of a Devi or a Deva?
I hope some are aware of all that happens. Please respond.
Balbir Singh
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 01:38 PM
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Are there only twenty-four Avtaars as explained in the Dasam Granth?
What will be the name of God when the first letters of Chaubis (twenty-four) Avtaars are combined?
Will God's Attributes then change or remain the same?
My curiosity is to know.
Balbir Singh
Dear all!
Are there only twenty-four Avtaars as explained in the Dasam Granth?
What will be the name of God when the first letters of Chaubis (twenty-four) Avtaars are combined?
Will God's Attributes then change or remain the same?
My curiosity is to know.
Balbir Singh
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:03 PM
Balbir Singh, on Jul 10 2009, 02:38 PM, said:
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Dear all!
Are there only twenty-four Avtaars as explained in the Dasam Granth?
What will be the name of God when the first letters of Chaubis (twenty-four) Avtaars are combined?
Will God's Attributes then change or remain the same?
My curiosity is to know.
Balbir Singh
Dear all!
Are there only twenty-four Avtaars as explained in the Dasam Granth?
What will be the name of God when the first letters of Chaubis (twenty-four) Avtaars are combined?
Will God's Attributes then change or remain the same?
My curiosity is to know.
Balbir Singh
Balbir singh ji
Dasam granth sahib talks about twenty four avtars. Guru sahib writes
Akal purakh created them and they were mere mortals. So in essence
Akal purakh is supreme.
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Balbir SIngh
Your 'curiosity' seems to be shit-stirring, to me.
Your 'curiosity' seems to be shit-stirring, to me.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:37 PM
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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for your reply.
You wrote "Dasam granth sahib talks about twenty four avtars."
Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing.
Koti Bisan keene avtaar. SGGS Ang 1156
Dasam Granth Sahib talks about twenty-four particular Avtaars. Why are they special?
Quote "Guru sahib writes Akal purakh created them and they were mere mortals. So in essence Akal purakh is supreme."
Does the word 'Akal purakh' occur in the Dasam Granth?
Balbir Singh
Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
Thanks for your reply.
You wrote "Dasam granth sahib talks about twenty four avtars."
Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing.
Koti Bisan keene avtaar. SGGS Ang 1156
Dasam Granth Sahib talks about twenty-four particular Avtaars. Why are they special?
Quote "Guru sahib writes Akal purakh created them and they were mere mortals. So in essence Akal purakh is supreme."
Does the word 'Akal purakh' occur in the Dasam Granth?
Balbir Singh
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:51 PM
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Dear all and Jattboot Jee!
You wrote "Your 'curiosity' seems to be shit-stirring, to me."
I hope you feel relaxed soon after you have visited the place where also Maharajas go on feet.
Balbir Singh
Dear all and Jattboot Jee!
You wrote "Your 'curiosity' seems to be shit-stirring, to me."
I hope you feel relaxed soon after you have visited the place where also Maharajas go on feet.
Balbir Singh
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 02:53 PM
Balbir Singh, on Jul 10 2009, 03:37 PM, said:
Quote "Guru sahib writes Akal purakh created them and they were mere mortals. So in essence Akal purakh is supreme."
Does the word 'Akal purakh' occur in the Dasam Granth?
Balbir Singh
Does the word 'Akal purakh' occur in the Dasam Granth?
Balbir Singh
Balbir singh ji
What is your idea? Please tell us.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 03:15 PM
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Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
I feel when Guru Jee uses a particular word it delivers a special message. It is not needed to replace that word with our choice.
Now please let all know where Guru Jee has explained. Who created them (Avtaars)?
Balbir Singh
Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
I feel when Guru Jee uses a particular word it delivers a special message. It is not needed to replace that word with our choice.
Now please let all know where Guru Jee has explained. Who created them (Avtaars)?
Balbir Singh
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 03:56 PM
Balbir Singh, on Jul 10 2009, 03:15 PM, said:
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
I feel when Guru Jee uses a particular word it delivers a special message. It is not needed to replace that word with our choice.
Now please let all know where Guru Jee has explained. Who created them (Avtaars)?
Balbir Singh
Dear all and Singh2 Jee!
I feel when Guru Jee uses a particular word it delivers a special message. It is not needed to replace that word with our choice.
Now please let all know where Guru Jee has explained. Who created them (Avtaars)?
Balbir Singh
Balbiir ji
First you wrote
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Does the word 'Akal purakh' occur in the Dasam Granth?
I asked for your help as you may be knowing though style of your questioning is that akal purakh does not occur in Dasam
Granth sahib.
Instead of answering my question you are dodging and putting another question.
Will you please let us know about akal purakh coming in Dasam granth or not?
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:32 PM
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Dear Singh2 Jee!
I have not come across the word 'Akaal Purakh' in the Dasam Granth yet. Have you found it? Please let me know.
Balbir Singh
Dear Singh2 Jee!
I have not come across the word 'Akaal Purakh' in the Dasam Granth yet. Have you found it? Please let me know.
Balbir Singh
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Balbir Singh, on Jul 10 2009, 05:17 PM, said:
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Dear all!
I did not know that Sayaam means poet Shyam.
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Please ponder this.
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
Suneehau sant sabhai chit laaee.
By listening Saints everybody's chit becomes attentive.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
Barnat sayaam jathaa mat bhaaee.
(He) describes Sayaam as (his) understanding, brother.
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Quote from Singh2 Jee "You know now that Ram means poet ram at certain places."
Which dictionary learned people are using these days?
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Dalsingh101 Jee,
Strange, some people want to become Gobind Daas without knowing Gobind.
Balbir Singh
Dear all!
I did not know that Sayaam means poet Shyam.
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Please ponder this.
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
Suneehau sant sabhai chit laaee.
By listening Saints everybody's chit becomes attentive.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
Barnat sayaam jathaa mat bhaaee.
(He) describes Sayaam as (his) understanding, brother.
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Quote from Singh2 Jee "You know now that Ram means poet ram at certain places."
Which dictionary learned people are using these days?
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Dalsingh101 Jee,
Strange, some people want to become Gobind Daas without knowing Gobind.
Balbir Singh
Also read two lines before that.
ਅਥ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਕਥਨੰ॥
अथ चउबीस अउतार कथनं॥
VISNU`S TWENTY-FOUR INCARNATIONS.
ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦॥ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥
ੴ स्री वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ पातिसाही १०॥त्वप्रसादि॥
The Lord One and the Victory is of the Lord. By the Tenth King (Guru).
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
चौपई ॥
CHAUPAI
ਅਬ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਉਚਰੋਂ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥
अब चउबीस उचरों अवतारा ॥
Now I describe the wonderful performance of twenty-four incarnations.
ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਲਖਾ ਅਖਾਰਾ ॥
जिह बिध तिन का लखा अखारा ॥
In the way I visualized the same
Chaubis avtar
It measn that poet is narrating composition chaubis avtar. Poet says he is writing as he understands them.
And next two lines
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
O saints; listen to it attentively.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
The poet Shyam is narrating it according or his own under-standing.1.
It means that Oh saints listen with attention. Poet ( he has given his name shayam) is construting it s per his understanding.
Now to a normal man there is no doubt about this transalation. I do not know why you are fabricating your own translations.
And also read
ਅਥ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਕਥਨੰ॥
अथ चउबीस अउतार कथनं॥
VISNU`S TWENTY-FOUR INCARNATIONS.
ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦॥ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥
ੴ स्री वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ पातिसाही १०॥त्वप्रसादि॥
The Lord One and the Victory is of the Lord. By the Tenth King (Guru).
Please discuss this in chaubis avtar section.. Let us nor hijack this thread.
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Balbir Singh, on Jul 10 2009, 04:32 PM, said:
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear Singh2 Jee!
I have not come across the word 'Akaal Purakh' in the Dasam Granth yet. Have you found it? Please let me know.
Balbir Singh
Dear Singh2 Jee!
I have not come across the word 'Akaal Purakh' in the Dasam Granth yet. Have you found it? Please let me know.
Balbir Singh
Dear balbir ji
It is good you came straight and committed yourself. There is no going back now by jugglery of words.
Please read below
ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੀ ਰਛਾ ਹਮਨੈ ॥
अकाल पुरख की रछा हमनै ॥
The non-temporal Purusha (All-Pervading Lord) is my Protector.
ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕੀ ਰਛਿਆ ਹਮਨੈ ॥
सरब लोह की रछिआ हमनै ॥
The All-Steel Lord is my Protect
Akal ustati
Word akal purakh comes from dasam granth sahib only.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 04:43 PM
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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all!
I did not know that Sayaam means poet Shyam.
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Please ponder this.
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
Suneehau sant sabhai chit laaee.
By listening Saints everybody's chit becomes attentive.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
Barnat sayaam jathaa mat bhaaee.
(He) describes Sayaam as (his) understanding, brother.
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Quote from Singh2 Jee "You know now that Ram means poet ram at certain places."
Which dictionary learned people are using these days?
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Dalsingh101 Jee,
Strange, some people want to become Gobind Daas without knowing Gobind.
Balbir Singh
Dear all!
I did not know that Sayaam means poet Shyam.
-----
Please ponder this.
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
Suneehau sant sabhai chit laaee.
By listening Saints everybody's chit becomes attentive.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
Barnat sayaam jathaa mat bhaaee.
(He) describes Sayaam as (his) understanding, brother.
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Quote from Singh2 Jee "You know now that Ram means poet ram at certain places."
Which dictionary learned people are using these days?
-----
Dalsingh101 Jee,
Strange, some people want to become Gobind Daas without knowing Gobind.
Balbir Singh
Also read two lines before that.
ਅਥ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਕਥਨੰ॥
अथ चउबीस अउतार कथनं॥
VISNU`S TWENTY-FOUR INCARNATIONS.
ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦॥ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥
ੴ स्री वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ पातिसाही १०॥त्वप्रसादि॥
The Lord One and the Victory is of the Lord. By the Tenth King (Guru).
ਚੌਪਈ ॥
चौपई ॥
CHAUPAI
ਅਬ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਉਚਰੋਂ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥
अब चउबीस उचरों अवतारा ॥
Now I describe the wonderful performance of twenty-four incarnations.
ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਲਖਾ ਅਖਾਰਾ ॥
जिह बिध तिन का लखा अखारा ॥
In the way I visualized the same
Chaubis avtar
It measn that poet is narrating composition chaubis avtar. Poet says he is writing as he understands them.
And next two lines
ਸੁਨੀਅਹੁ ਸੰਤ ਸਭੈ ਚਿਤ ਲਾਈ ॥
सुनीअहु संत सभै चित लाई ॥
O saints; listen to it attentively.
ਬਰਨਤ ਸਯਾਮ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਭਾਈ ॥੧॥
बरनत सयाम जथा मत भाई ॥१॥
The poet Shyam is narrating it according or his own under-standing.1.
It means that Oh saints listen with attention. Poet ( he has given his name shayam) is construting it s per his understanding.
Now to a normal man there is no doubt about this transalation. I do not know why you are fabricating your own translations.
And also read
ਅਥ ਚਉਬੀਸ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਕਥਨੰ॥
अथ चउबीस अउतार कथनं॥
VISNU`S TWENTY-FOUR INCARNATIONS.
ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹ ॥ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦॥ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥
ੴ स्री वाहिगुरू जी की फ़तह ॥ पातिसाही १०॥त्वप्रसादि॥
The Lord One and the Victory is of the Lord. By the Tenth King (Guru).
Please discuss this in chaubis avtar section.. Let us nor hijack this thread.
