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[Xylitol]

if you wish to provide some concrete examples, i think it would help a lot of people. but you don't have to

[SURYADEV]

Just to digress slightly, but something I feel I need to ramble on about:
Let me give you the other side of the story- that is going away from the Guru!
I took amrit in my teens, for several years I did the all the regulation stuff, prays, gurudwara etc, etc.
In my early twenties I started changing: questioning Rabb: why after all these years of following him had I not achieved anything, both spiritual and material? I resented that I had religion forces down my throat.
over the next couple of years I gave up nitnem, cut my beard (not my hair on my head though, because that was a BIG attractor for the girls!). I started doing all the usual stuff that guys do at that age. I didn't become athiest. I always believed in the Lord - I was just effing pizzed off with Him for letting me down and not granting my desires!

Anyway, over the last couple of months I started thinking about what I have achieved in life. I came to realise that in all aspects of my life I have been a failiure in very major endevour I undertook- business, financial, career, relationships, health etc. Then having a chat with my mother (bless her cotton socks)she made me realise that I have been in this state of 'recession' since I started cutting my hair. Since I forsake my guru i have been having problem after problem. Even though I didn't actually achieve much before that, I have come to realise that I was firmly on the journey to success, albeit in the early stages.
Perhaps in my naievity I thought that the god would place everything in my laps just like that. However ,that is not how life works. You are given opportunities, coincidences happen, you meet just the right person to help you on your way, thoughts occur at the right time. and you use these things to help you progress. yet thinking back, these things were happening to me BUT I didn't appreciate it as the workings of Him. Not being spoon-fed by Him I took it as the guru refusing to help me. But the The Guru was giving me all I was asking of Him, I just couldn't see.

For the past decade, with every setback, failiure, problem I had, the Guru was sending me a quiet message to me, nudging me back onto the Path. SOmehow, 'the problems are nothing, and will only get worse if you don't go back to your guru'.
Now for whatever reason, (perhaps, because I started doing nitnem in the past year?!)he has graced me with this knowledge and realisation. I now know what must be done if I want to gain spiritual and material prosperity.

They say the Lord works in mysterious ways and for me He has been for the past many years. It wasn't supernatural or divine or miraculous in the popular sense but it still carried the same meaning. Being of moti-buddhi its taken over 10 yrs to understand. Oh well, time get moving.

Hope some of that makes sense to you you guys.

fateh.

[Blue Rider]

recently, I have been experiencing the beauty and intense energy of the divine in nature. pavan guru pani pita mata dharat mahat. The energy resonating from all things is immense..

Maybe im just turning into some kind of hippy, but my experiences have changed the way I look at everything.

[Blue Rider]

P.S it made me understand when maharaj says:

ਉਸਤਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਲਛਮੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥

The giver gives out of love....

[DTF]

jattboot, on 17 June 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

Just to digress slightly, but something I feel I need to ramble on about:
Let me give you the other side of the story- that is going away from the Guru!
I took amrit in my teens, for several years I did the all the regulation stuff, prays, gurudwara etc, etc.
In my early twenties I started changing: questioning Rabb: why after all these years of following him had I not achieved anything, both spiritual and material? I resented that I had religion forces down my throat.
over the next couple of years I gave up nitnem, cut my beard (not my hair on my head though, because that was a BIG attractor for the girls!). I started doing all the usual stuff that guys do at that age. I didn't become athiest. I always believed in the Lord - I was just effing pizzed off with Him for letting me down and not granting my desires!

Anyway, over the last couple of months I started thinking about what I have achieved in life. I came to realise that in all aspects of my life I have been a failiure in very major endevour I undertook- business, financial, career, relationships, health etc. Then having a chat with my mother (bless her cotton socks)she made me realise that I have been in this state of 'recession' since I started cutting my hair. Since I forsake my guru i have been having problem after problem. Even though I didn't actually achieve much before that, I have come to realise that I was firmly on the journey to success, albeit in the early stages.
Perhaps in my naievity I thought that the god would place everything in my laps just like that. However ,that is not how life works. You are given opportunities, coincidences happen, you meet just the right person to help you on your way, thoughts occur at the right time. and you use these things to help you progress. yet thinking back, these things were happening to me BUT I didn't appreciate it as the workings of Him. Not being spoon-fed by Him I took it as the guru refusing to help me. But the The Guru was giving me all I was asking of Him, I just couldn't see.

For the past decade, with every setback, failiure, problem I had, the Guru was sending me a quiet message to me, nudging me back onto the Path. SOmehow, 'the problems are nothing, and will only get worse if you don't go back to your guru'.
Now for whatever reason, (perhaps, because I started doing nitnem in the past year?!)he has graced me with this knowledge and realisation. I now know what must be done if I want to gain spiritual and material prosperity.

They say the Lord works in mysterious ways and for me He has been for the past many years. It wasn't supernatural or divine or miraculous in the popular sense but it still carried the same meaning. Being of moti-buddhi its taken over 10 yrs to understand. Oh well, time get moving.

Hope some of that makes sense to you you guys.

fateh.

Thanks for sharing that brother. I think many of us go through similar situations and emotions on our path. I've seen rough patches in life when I've wavered in my faith. We sometimes do exactly the opposite of what we should do when hardships come. Instead of showing faith in Guruji and increasing our prayer/paath, we melt away and lose faith. Like a Gursikh once said to me, don't treat Guruji like your servant, always asking Him to do things for you and not making an effort yourself. Ardaas has to be combined with bhagati and udam(action).

It's remarkable though, once in a life if you've ever shown love to Guruji...no matter how you fall or break afterwards, Guruji has a way of nudging you back on track.
Like you said, perhaps many of us haven't had those blessed single momment experiences, but we will have had more subtle, almost unnoticeable occurances where we've felt the power an love of Guruji in our lives. Many times we "see" them after many years have passed.

[samosasingh]

Mr. Suryadev -I also am starting to feel the same way.

Is the Guru really nudging you back or is it something that is already deeply pre-planted in your mind and you couldn't find another way to explain your hardship other than you loosing faith. Deep down sub consciensly maybe you yourself are bothered by your own actions.

Really, you will never know what would've happened if you had kept your faith over those years. It is all speculation.

[SURYADEV]

samosasingh, on 24 April 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

Mr. Suryadev -I also am starting to feel the same way.

Is the Guru really nudging you back or is it something that is already deeply pre-planted in your mind and you couldn't find another way to explain your hardship other than you loosing faith. Deep down sub consciensly maybe you yourself are bothered by your own actions.

Really, you will never know what would've happened if you had kept your faith over those years. It is all speculation.

I wouldn't really know now. All I can say is dont think too much about past, 'what ifs?', etc. If you start dwelling on the past,or even current status too much then it just turn s you mental and depressive.
Having said that, it really is the hardest thing to do. Being 'intelligent animals' its only our thought process that separates us from the animal world. unfortunately many people start doing tooo much of the thinking and less of the action.
SImply decided what you want to do and do it.