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[kdsingh80]

http://www.punjabnew.../view/22953/38/

Ravidass followers declare separate religion, released separate religious granth
Punjab Newsline Network
Sunday, 31 January 2010


JALANDHAR: Taking a leaf out of Sikh religion, the followers of Bhagat Ravidass have declared 'Ravidassia', a separate religion and affirmed Guru Ravidass their sole master. They have also released a separate religious granth 'Amrit Bani Guru Ravidass' which will replace Guru Granth Sahib in all Ravidass temples.

The Ravidass followers made this announcement in Ravidass temple in Kashi in Banaras district of Uttar Pardesh which would serve as highest temporal seat for the community. The community as sought recognition of Ravidassia's a sepearate community.

The new holy granth which contains the 'Bani' of only Bhagat Ravidass (included in Guru Granmth Sahib) was released by Sant Niranjan Dass head of dera Sach Khand Ballan in Jalandhar district. The Balla dera had came to lime light when last year few Sikh miscreants attacked on Ravidass temple in Viana in Austria and dera preacher Swami Rama Nand of Balla dera was killed. The Sikhs had objected that due respect was not given to Guru Grnath Sahib in the Ravidass temple.

Cerain sections of Ravidass community were opposing to domination of Sikhs over them and were trying to eastablish separate identity for their community. Recently, a famous Punjabi singer Miss Pooja had also released a song on these lines for setting up separate religion for Ravidassias.

The reports reaching here said that the community leaders at Kashi have also released the logo of community on which word 'Hari is written. The slogan to address Ravidassia will be 'Jai Gurudev'.

The declaration of separate religion by Ravidassia is bound to have its impact on Sikh politics particularly in context of Punjab. It is considered a majoir set back for the Shiromani Gurdawara parbahandak Committee (SGPC) supreme Sikh body which was trying to keep Ravidassia community in the Sikh fold. The critics of SGPC blamed it on SGPC for their failure to give due respect to Ravidassia community.

Meanwhile, Sandeep Singh national general secretary of youth wing of SAD (Panch Pardhani) on Sunday said that agents of Hindu forces in the Ravidass community have taken such decision to disintegrate followers of Guru Ravidass from Sikh religion. He said that there is no place for communalism and casteism in Sikh religion. He warned of consequences of such steps which would be harmful for the dalits. He hoped that the awakened dalits of Punjab would not fall prey to motives of people working against their interests.

[dalsingh101]

You could see this coming a mile off.

Fact is we have 'turfed them off' Sikhism, whether people want to admit it or not.

Now the Sikh 'minority' is about to get smaller!

Surely we are one of the dumbest quoms about?

Edited by dalsingh101, 31 January 2010 - 06:24 PM.

[kdsingh80]

dalsingh101, on 31 January 2010 - 06:22 PM, said:

You could see this coming a mile off.

Fact is we have 'turfed them off' Sikhism, whether people want to admit it or not.

Now the Sikh 'minority' is about to get smaller!

Surely we are one of the dumbest quoms about?

The discrimination lower caste faced in sikhism in nothing compared to sikhism still large number of lower caste are within the fold of Hinduism.The declaration of a new religion clearly shows that how much faith these Ravidasia's have in sikh Guru's .These days it is trend that leave sikhism and blame discrimination.

[dalsingh101]

KDS

You can't ignore the rampant discrimination by so called Sikhs towards so called lower castes, I've seen so much of it, it would take an age to tell you. At some point Sikhs have to face up to these things. There is discrimination. It isn't a figment of people's imagination.

Just because it goes on in Hinduism, doesn't excuse it for Sikhs.

Plus how much are Sikh institutes Jatt nepotistic affairs. The problem is endemic.

Edited by dalsingh101, 31 January 2010 - 06:41 PM.

[kdsingh80]

dalsingh101, on 31 January 2010 - 06:40 PM, said:

KDS

You can't ignore the rampant discrimination by so called Sikhs towards so called lower castes, I've seen so much of it, it would take an age to tell you. At some point Sikhs have to face up to these things. There is discrimination. It isn't a figment of people's imagination.

Just because it goes on in Hinduism, doesn't excuse it for Sikhs.

Plus how much are Sikh institutes Jatt nepotistic affairs. The problem is endemic.

I agree that there is discrimination and it should be eliminated but the question is why only sikhism? Arabs still consider themself superior in islam and treat muslim workers from other countries as trash.they go to poor muslim countries marrytheir under age girls and then leave them .But i never heard any case of poor downtrodden muslims leaving islam because of discrimination

[bhooliya]

Surinder Singh Jodhka has been doing research on Ravidas community for so long.

http://kafila.org/20...inder-s-jodhka/

Google his name and you will find plenty of information to have educated guess on Ravidas community.

Edited by bhooliya, 31 January 2010 - 07:40 PM.

[Xylitol]

lack of sharda + fed up + greener pastures elsewhere

[DSG]

I believe the biggest problem is people dont want to make the effort , get out of their comfort zones , discipline themselves , to read what is in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for themselves and practice it , they rather hear someone with a "bit" of knowledge may have some status , rather than Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, because from the little I understand from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji , it is praising Almighty God , telling you how to live your life , if they read sir Guru Hranth Sahib Ji , and practice it , they cant go wrong ----- sadly its all politics .

If you read and practice what our guru is saying it abolishes caste , low class etc.. altogether but we should be ready to listen to our guru.

[bhooliya]

Punjabi Chamar is very rich and this is political move on their part.

[dalsingh101]

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I agree that there is discrimination and it should be eliminated but the question is why only sikhism? Arabs still consider themself superior in islam and treat muslim workers from other countries as trash.they go to poor muslim countries marrytheir under age girls and then leave them .But i never heard any case of poor downtrodden muslims leaving islam because of discrimination

Because we are Sikhs, not camel jockeys. I don't think it is good for us to model ourselves on Johnny Arab in anycase. We have a newer, fresher faith. Plus we need to get our act together and become majorities and stop being minorities!

What others do is their business, we should be focusing on improving our own samajh.

[laalsingh]

bhooliya, on 31 January 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

Punjabi Chamar is very rich and this is political move on their part.

I agree. This is a political move. Sgpc and Akali Dal tried their best to make amends. Sgpc chief even went to dera to see dera head, who refused to meet him. There was even a Akhand paath on Akal Takhat in memory of killed Sant. Anti Sikh forces wanted this to happen.
Dera has consolidated vote bank. Calling themselves different Dharam and making own maryada is a stunt to free themselves from any kind of objection from Sikhs. Now dera head can sit higher than book or lower than book. He can get matha tek as much he wants.
How can they blame others of casteism, when they are starting a new religion based on caste? They are following Bhagat Ravidas just because he happen to be from chamar background.

[dalsingh101]

The way I see it. If you are generally being treated like shite in a organised society you have three options.


(1) Try to change the society from within be this overtly as through a militant movemnet or subtley.

(2) Leave the society and join another or try and form a better one yourselves.

(3) Sit there and take the shite like a punch bag.



I don't blame the Ravidasias for what they plan to do. If I was one of them, I'd propbably do the same under the circumstances. I wish them every success.

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Punjabi Chamar is very rich and this is political move on their part.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=baVizg7S2KE

What was the point of posting that video? What does it prove other than Jat stupidity is contagious? Those guys are only doing what farmers have been doing for ages? Or is it people think that 'non-Scythian, pure bloods' shouldn't be allowed? lol

Edited by dalsingh101, 01 February 2010 - 08:17 AM.

[kdsingh80]

dalsingh101, on 31 January 2010 - 10:42 PM, said:

Because we are Sikhs, not camel jockeys. I don't think it is good for us to model ourselves on Johnny Arab in anycase. We have a newer, fresher faith. Plus we need to get our act together and become majorities and stop being minorities!

What others do is their business, we should be focusing on improving our own samajh.

But we are Humans too and we suffer from same problems
as all human societies suffer.I am not saying that we should moder ourselves as arabs or Hindu's.I am just showing example that despite strong islamic brotherhood concept Arabs never gave up their superiority in islam.

The creation of Ravidasia religion has more to do with radical dalitism that is practiced by Parties like BSP.

[kdsingh80]

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(2) Leave the society and join another or try and form a better one yourselves.

Leaving a society and leaving a religion are 2 different things.sometimes there are many societies
within a single religion

[dalsingh101]

kdsingh80, on 01 February 2010 - 09:56 AM, said:

But we are Humans too and we suffer from same problems
as all human societies suffer.I am not saying that we should moder ourselves as arabs or Hindu's.I am just showing example that despite strong islamic brotherhood concept Arabs never gave up their superiority in islam.

The creation of Ravidasia religion has more to do with radical dalitism that is practiced by Parties like BSP.

I don't buy this at all KDS. That is a policy of low expectations for Sikhs. The type of hypocrisy and outright nastiness that characterises the behaviour of some of our brothers towards other brothers doesn't fly. If any sane person is treated like crap they will rightfully question their 'belongingness'.

Sikhs need moral authority in this world but the actions of certain Jatt supremacists and their influence on the panth p1sses that into the wind.

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Leaving a society and leaving a religion are 2 different things.sometimes there are many societies
within a single religion

Yes but we do have a Sikh society. We need less excusing and more condemnation.