Zulu writes:
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yes but they had alligiance to the nazi's, what clever person would have an alliance with scum like that who persecuted millions of jew's and homosexuals? [/indent][indent]
I understand why they wanted to fight the british BUTTTTT did they actually believe Germany and Italy would win WWII and help liberate india from the british? what a joke.
[/indent]Uh, did you forget about the allied alliance with "Uncle Joe?" How convenient and self-serving!
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"Researchers before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union attempting to count the number of people killed under Stalin's regime produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million. After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – for a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories...
Accordingly, if famine victims are included, a minimum of around 10 million deaths—6 million from famine and 4 million from other causes—are attributable to the regime,[98] with a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, gulags, deportations and other causes. In his most recent edition of The Great Terror (2007), Conquest states that while exact numbers may never be known with complete certainty, the various terror campaigns launched by the Soviet government claimed no fewer than 15 million lives. Others maintain that their earlier higher victim total estimates are correct." Calculating the number of victims
[/indent]Why is it that US and Britain could have an alliance with a repressive dictator and madman, and yet never be considered complicit in his crimes, and yet, the Azad Hind Fauj which most likely never had full awareness of the extent of Japan and Germany's repression (nobody really did until AFTER the war), and who have NEVER been called before ANY military tribunal and who historically were a relatively minor force in these Lilas is suddenly now castigated as being equally guilty for mass crimes and repressions they never committed, never ideologically advocated or even defended?
Sounds rather hypocritical to me. Why blame them for what history has never accused and blamed them for? Even in Hitler's Germany historians distinguish the serving soldiers from those specific units ACTUALLY engaged in war crimes. But Sikh Awareness forum does not. LOL, well okay then, knock yourselves out. So do you really believe that just because Britain and America fought alongside Stalin in the war, they were also guilty of his crimes? Because historically his mass murders far surpassed anything of Hitlers, let alone Japans.
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"There is no question, however, that Stalin was a murderous individual. He had no compunction about killing to achieve his ends and his name is forever linked with purges, pogroms, terror and death. ...Roosevelt was convinced that he could handle "Uncle Joe" -- a name given to Stalin by American wartime propaganda -- and gain whatever concessions he desired. Churchill, on the other hand, was not charmed by Stalin and never really trusted him. While they contrived to work together the alliance was not cordial and did not last past the end of the war."
[/indent]Azad Hind Fauj was never a "nazi" organization. It was a Nationalist organization not unlike the United States or China. You know, the same United States which recruited known war criminals and mass murderers into intos intelligence agencies after the war? People like....Klaus Barbie, the butcher of Lyon... and that with full knowledge of his crimes and intent to put his "expertise" to work in suppressing Latin America by supporting the installation of a series of failed fascist governments.
Here, you can read about it. But let's not have this hypocritical false "disgust" for Azad Hind Fauj guilty of nothing but wanting to fight for own independence. Surely you can appreciate the culpability for forming an alliance with a powerful military nation BEFORE revelations of mass murders and repressions have become public knowledge, and shielding convicted mass murderers and forming alliance with them to perpetrate "dirty business" with them while hiding the truth about these ventures.
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"A declassified CIA document that was referred to in the report and obtained Friday by The Associated Press shows the agency was aware of Lebed's background and feared that he would be revealed by OSI, which was making inquiries to the Polish government about Lebed.
"We do believe there is some risk that our attempt to block an inquiry to the Poles could become public through a leak at the Justice Department," read the 1987 memo, written by the agency's chief of political and psychological staff. "This could bring about a difficult issue for us — not quite Klaus Barbie, but in that category."
Barbie was the notorious "Butcher of Lyon" who worked for U.S. intelligence after the war; he was eventually convicted in France for his role in the Holocaust.
The records that were used to write the report were made available under the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act of 1998, one of the most ambitious and exhaustive efforts by the government to expose its own secrets. The papers include correspondence, legal documents, clippings and medical records. They illuminate the activities and postwar whereabouts of some of the most high-profile alleged Nazi war criminals." CIA Report details ties between US and ex-Nazis Quote
"1947: Klaus Barbie goes on the US payroll in Germany, then escapes to Bolivia with US help. Barbie runs mobile death squads, killing Jews, Slavs and French Resistance. He tortures many to death. In Bolivia, Barbie works for the secret police trafficking drugs and arms. His torture skills are always in demand. Barbie is a sadistic monster who cares more for inflicting pain than extracting information. His Bolivian citizenship papers are personally signed by VP Hernan Siles Zuazo, making his extradition more difficult.
1962: Klaus Barbie is helping the CIA put a US-backed Bolivian thug in power. Barbie also helps suppress popular insurgencies throughout Latin America.
1964: The proto-fascist govt of Bolivian president Victor Paz Estensorro is irking US puppeteers. Paz is cordial with Fidel Castro. He refuses to send the military to crush striking tin miners. Not fascist enough, Paz has to go. The CIA next selects General Rene Barrientos Ortuno, who storms Paz’s palace – “Take a ride to the cemetery or to the airport”. Paz flees to Argentina. Bolivia is again in the clutches of a military dictator. This time, the US takes firm control of Bolivia’s army. The US sends “advisors” there and brings 1600 Bolivian officers to the US for training (including 20 of Bolivia’s top 23 generals). Klaus Barbie goes to work for Barrientos, with whom he planned the coup beforehand. Barbie works in Dept 4: counterinsurgency. He instructs his underlings on the techniques of state terror. Barbie exercises his genocidal tendencies on Bolivian Indian tribes. He also attacks the tin miners in bloody raids by the army and secret police.
1967: The CIA controls the Bolivian govt and military. Klaus Barbie and Friedrich Schwend create Transmaritania shipping company (guns and drugs). Board of directors: the heads of the Bolivian navy, joint chiefs of staff and secret police. They ship guns, attack boats, tanks, fighter planes, the works. Barbie’s source is Merex in West Germany, run by Hitler’s favorite stormtrooper, Col Otto Skorzeny (who rescued Mussolini from prison). Merex would later supply Ollie North’s Contras. The partnership between the Nazis and US agencies (Army intelligence, OSS, CIA, and NSC has been continuous." Klaus Barbie: The Nazi who ruled Bolivia
Oh, and this going on about repression of homosexuals? How come you've never said a word about Islam and sharia treatement of homosexuals, but now it appears as some historical quirk belonging to nazi Germany for which Azad Hind Fauj is supposed to also be blamed for? (even having nothing whatever to do with anything of the sort?) See, this is the kind of ridiculous, hypocritical propaganda people can expect from this forum. SO LONG AS IT"S anti-Hindu or anti-India...anything goes, right? Even while keeping hypocritical ignorance of the great white knights of the Allied powers. Yeah right.
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