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[londondajatt]

Maha Singh, on 08 February 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

According to this site, it is possible lol

http://www.singhsabh...al.blogspot.com

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These Sant trends recently of not marrying and being celibate like Christian Priests have led to the rise in being Gay at certain Deras and even abuse of Children.

This is true though, this seems to happen so there are gay happenings, but is it Homo or is it more like what happens in prisons, where this stuff is seen as dominant males as opposed to sexuality. I think it happebns due to lack of contact with females.

Interestingly, I used to go to uni sikh societies, and one of the quite well known Singhs from West London, who sometimes dresses like a Nihang but seems a little confused of who he follows (but I am confused because he is always preaching against meat and against culture and hates hindus) always used to say gay stuff about people, like encouraging gay tendencies between 2 Singhs in front of him; and also seemed a little jealous/envious when he saw me with girls...

hmm just a thought...

... I have sometimes come in contact with these people because of universities, but I have always stayed on the edge of contact as I live in a gora area.

Edited by londondajatt, 03 February 2012 - 03:22 PM.

[londondajatt]

kdsingh80, on 08 February 2011 - 04:46 PM, said:

So it means two feminists have anand karaj even if they are not naturally homo then it become acceptable,similarly two prison inmates marry and start indulging homosexual activity then it also become acceptable according to Sikh culture?

BTW On this site members give importance to puratan sources .Is there any puratan source that these type of marriages happened in Sikhs?

Anand Karaj is done for grihast dharam, between same gender grihast dharam is impossible, is it not?

[SURYADEV]

londondajatt, on 03 February 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

This is true though, this seems to happen so there are gay happenings, but is it Homo or is it more like what happens in prisons, where this stuff is seen as dominant males as opposed to sexuality. I think it happebns due to lack of contact with females.

Its called the Harem Effect. Whereby sex segregation occurs (prisons, religious orders, military, boarding schools) over a period of time. Those males or females start exhibiting homosexual tendancies and start having sexual relations with others of the same sex. But once they rejoin others of the opposite sex they revert to hetrosexuality. It is simply so that they can satisfy base carnal desires.

I read an article by a German academic about this stuff with the Panjabi fauji community in Germany. Because they cannot mix in with the wider society (inc females) they start shagging each other out of neccesity. Sleeping two plus to a bed doesn't help either. When they return back home they become 'normal' hetro guys. I'm sure it was posted on this forum.

The term comes from the lesbianism that was practiced by women in the harems of the Ottoman Empire. because they didn't come into contact with any men.

[JatherdarSahib]

ਬ੍ਰਿਧ ਨਿਰਾਜ ਕਹਾਤੁ ਮੋ ਛੰਦ ॥
ब्रिध निराज कहातु मो छंद ॥
BRIDH NARAJ KAHATU MO STANZA

ਅਕ੍ਰਿੱਤ ਕ੍ਰਿੱਤ ਕਾਰਨੋ ਅਨਿੱਤ ਨਿੱਤ ਹੋਹਿੰਗੇ ॥ ਤਿਆਗ ਧਰਮਣੋ ॥ ਤ੍ਰੀਅੰ ਕੁਨਾਰਿ ਸਾਧ ਜੋਹਿੰਗੇ ॥
अक्रि्त क्रि्त कारनो अनि्त नि्त होहिंगे ॥ तिआग धरमणो ॥ त्रीअं कुनारि साध जोहिंगे ॥
Forbidden works will always be performed; the saints abandoning the path of dharma, will look for the path of prostitutes;

ਪਵਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਚਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਚਿੱਤ੍ਰਤੰ ਬਚਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਧੋਹਿੰਗੇ ॥ ਅਮਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਮਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਭਾਵਣੋ ਸੁ ਮਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਅਮਿੱਤ੍ਰ ਸੋਹਿੰਗੇ ॥੨੬॥
पवि्त्र चि्त्र चि्त्रतं बचि्त्र मित्र धोहिंगे ॥ अमि्त्र मि्त्र भावणो सु मि्त्र अमि्त्र सोहिंगे ॥२६॥
The friendship of a queer type will wash and destroy the sanctity of friendship; the friends and enemies will go together for their self-interest.26.
Page 1139, Line 7
Dasam Granth

Edited by JatherdarSahib, 10 March 2012 - 01:56 AM.

[unbreakable]

The soul or atma doesn't have a gender, class, creed, colour, race, etc.

This being "gay", "Lesbian", "Straight", are all worldly things, etc, and have existed since the creation of the world, etc.

What is important, is can a person whoes sexual orientation is different from what is considered to be the "norm" in society, attain Salvation or Mukhti, become Jeevan Mukht.

Will Waheguru not give that person Darshan, if that person does everything with love and devotion, as per Gurbani??