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Forget that anyway if kookeh are right with their beliefs Guru gobind singh is a liar...why would he fake his death? 'ride of into the sun' and change his name to baba ajaipal just to give gur gadi to the namdharis guru? doesnt make sense.

Doesnt make sense at all , I think a while back on this forum similar topic was discussed and ithink it was summed up with the following ,

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jis whole family were martyred ...., 4 shaibzada , Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji ............. why would Sri Guru Gobind singh Ji , go into exile, ride off into the sun , change his name etc... " ............ He wouldnt .


The sad thing

[londondajatt]

 sarbatdapala, on 12 May 2011 - 08:26 PM, said:

From what I understand we would conisder dehdhari guru to be khalsa panth (guru panth in addition to guru granth /shabad guru and whaeguru ) so panj pyare are dehdhari roop and can give gurmantar for mukhti also there authority is supposed to be highest. But these days we have panj pyares in each jatha contradicting one another on technical things like keski and kesh kakkar from akj and damdami taksal.

hmm these jathebandis were created after the naamdharis anyway lolz....
They are more likely influenced than not by some stuff that the kookay believed in.

Edited by londondajatt, 26 January 2012 - 02:11 PM.

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 londondajatt, on 26 January 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

hmm these jathebandis were created after the naamdharis anyway lolz....

whether you beleive it or not, taksal was started by Guru Ji. Whereas Budha Dal was started in 1734 after Guru Ji.

[SURYADEV]

I have read that AKJ idea simran was inspired by Namdharis. The kooks they used to make when intoxicated by naam. AKJ carry this on though I believe that Namdharis have stopped this.

[zulu]

Me and my friend today went for a meal as we do once a week, we meet up for a meal or whatever, he kicked my ass at pool on Thursday soo badly! was besti might I add.

Back on topic, he's a Namdhari, and we talk about Sikhi etc if he brings the topic that is, today the way he spoke it was like he wanted me to believe in his Satguru, taking Naam from namdharis > he mentioned a story of an elderly Nihang who used to have debates with a namdhari at a ramgarhia gurdwara in kenya, and realized what he was saying was 'the truth' & then went to bhaini sahib and took naam from their previous satguru and now lives in the midlands.

I'm a pretty neutral guy when it comes to him talking about namdharis, I've never had a issue with them, but ajjjjjj....he brought up the 'guru maneyo granth' line, and said its bs, along with the question what is the need for Nihangs this day and age, what war are they fighting, no need for shastar, blue is wrong to wear, Guru Gobind Singh had a prophecy of singhs wearing all white, sidhi paghs etc etc etc the list goes on.

It struck a nerve with me, because it was one of those days I refused to hear any propaganda, I put the question to him, 'explain the 100 years guru gobind singh went gupt', he couldn't.

I wished to share this with you guys, was a bit interesting to hear what he had to say.

[zulu]

I have been also doing a search on the forum for any topics relating to Guru Gobind Singhjis last days before sachkhand etc, any help with providing me with info on that?

[JatherdarSahib]

Do they believe guru gobind singh should be called satguru gobind rai? The point amrit was given he became chela of the panj pyare. The gurgaddi is written into suraj prakash granth and bhai nand lal goya works as well as other texts. So they say the singh sabha movement and us lot are liers who made it up. That guru nanak whispered the secret panj shabad mantar into the ear to initiate the person as was done but we need a dehdhari. I personally think we are free knowledge wise but lazy trying to take shortcuts everything is delivered in all the texts that we need to read.

Edited by JatherdarSahib, 05 February 2012 - 02:30 AM.

[SURYADEV]

Me kooka mate is also like zulus friend . Always trying to convert me and dropping subtle hints how everyone is really a namdhari. Apparently Nihang Nidar SIngh is a namdhari because he had a pic of Baba Ram SIngh ji in the Hazoor Sahib book. (this chap can't read english btw). Also Niskam Jatha are/ were originally Namdhari and they still have the manja where their Guru sat upon. Its supposed to be upstairs somewhere at the soho road gurdwara.

[JatherdarSahib]

Well with the kenyan lot it was rarasahib that converted loads of poor people who followed the namdharis to the correct path of belief in guru granth sahib.

[amardeep]

I came across a beautiful passage in the Mahima Prakash Kavita from the 1770s by Kavi Sarup Das Bhalla. Its towards the end of the book on the section called Jyoti jyot Samavna of Guru Gobind Singh:

Sakhi 27:

Eih baat suni ke sikh sab aan haajr hoe.
Tad aap ne bahut khusi kia.
Tab sikhaa ne puchaa jo ab darsan kahaa kari.
Satgur diin dayaal bachan kiaa.
Jo das saroop hamare pooran bae.
Ab meri jaaghaa Guru Granth Sahib ko jaananaa.
Jis ne mere so baat karnii hoe, Aad Granth Sahib ka paath karnaa.
Mere se baat hovegi.

Tum ko mai bhaugati kii god mo dhaal diya hai.

[londondajatt]

zulu, on 04 February 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

I'm a pretty neutral guy when it comes to him talking about namdharis, I've never had a issue with them, but ajjjjjj....he brought up the 'guru maneyo granth' line, and said its bs, along with the question what is the need for Nihangs this day and age, what war are they fighting, no need for shastar, blue is wrong to wear, Guru Gobind Singh had a prophecy of singhs wearing all white, sidhi paghs etc etc etc the list goes on.

That is so illogical and uneducated. If naamdharis really do believe that, then why do they still give khanday dee pahul and use the shattri name Singh for? Seriously soo stupid. Are their women called Kaurs, anyone got any idea what name they used to give to their women when they started off?

zulu, on 04 February 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

It struck a nerve with me, because it was one of those days I refused to hear any propaganda, I put the question to him, 'explain the 100 years guru gobind singh went gupt', he couldn't.

lol oh balleh chakdey fattay