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[amardeep]

http://www.punjabima....org/Index.aspx

There are nearly 500 important manuscripts written in the Punjabi language in various UK public collections. These manuscripts undoubtedly hold a great deal of interest for the UK’s Punjabi community. Their existence pays tribute to the cultural remnants of Punjab’s pre-modern medicinal, theological, poetical and religious literature, as well its highly developed scribal and artistic traditions.

[dalsingh101]

Found this description:

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Author:
Nathmal

Title:
Rajnit Chanaka

Folios:
12v-19v


Notes:
The text is a verse translation in eight adhyays by the Brahman Nathmal of the Sanskrit Rajnit of Chanakya; the translation states that it was completed in S 1827 (1770-71 CE)

Looks like our people were showing an interest in political science even back then. O, how we have fallen.....

Edited by dalsingh101, 26 June 2011 - 09:13 PM.

[dalsingh101]

Something quite superstitious attributed to Guru Amardas ji???

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Guru Amar Das (attributed)

Title:
A text on auspicious days

Folios:
26r-27r



Notes:
The text begins ‘sri guru amar das ji ka bolna’ and contains instructions on auspicious actions to undertake before travelling on the different days of the week, directions that are inauspicious to travel in on different days, and days on which bathing and putting on new clothes are auspicious or inauspicious; the colophon gives the name of the scribe as Tara Singh

[amardeep]

The website is like a playground for me haha.

Its interesting to see that the early udasi and nirmala works begins with the invocation "Ik Oankaar Sri Ganesha Yanama".



THATS HINDU!!!!

[amardeep]

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Looks like our people were showing an interest in political science even back then. O, how we have fallen.....

You can find an earlier translation of the same book by the court poet Sainapat

[amardeep]

Its interesting that there are many gurmukhi texts etc. from the days of Guru Har rai to Guru Tegh Bahadur

[dalsingh101]

When the centre of the faith was more urban, it seems to have valued literature and learning more.

Today we associate Sikhs with pendu rustics who don't really have much interest in literary pursuits, but all of the manuscripts in your link show that this is a relatively new development.

Edited by dalsingh101, 26 June 2011 - 09:48 PM.

[amardeep]

a glorious past indeed

[namdhari55]

amardeep, on 26 June 2011 - 08:28 PM, said:

http://www.punjabima....org/Index.aspx

There are nearly 500 important manuscripts written in the Punjabi language in various UK public collections. These manuscripts undoubtedly hold a great deal of interest for the UK’s Punjabi community. Their existence pays tribute to the cultural remnants of Punjab’s pre-modern medicinal, theological, poetical and religious literature, as well its highly developed scribal and artistic traditions.

i hope there planning on uploading the manuscripts online.

[dalsingh101]

namdhari55, on 27 June 2011 - 07:06 AM, said:

i hope there planning on uploading the manuscripts online.

Can you read the older stuff where the words aren't separated?

[amardeep]

Some manuscripts of old granths have been uploaded on http://www.panjabdig...es/mainpage.jsp

[osingh1]

Amardeep ji

Punjabdigital library site is great. I urge everyone to sign up. You can view eevry page of many granths including, suraj parkash, various janamsakhi's ie bhai bala ji, bhai mani singh ji etc. These are all handwritten granths written in larivar(no spaces between word) form. The handwriting is just beautiful.

However the best collections they have are of puratan saroops's of Guru Granth Sahib ji.

I now try to read as much bani in larivar as possible. Its difficult at first but I assure you its well worth the effort. Its hard to explain but you get more rass reading from larivar. Sign up, then just search for 'guru granth' then click on manuscripts. Its interesting how different the akhars look in handwritten saroops as compared to online akhars such as sikhitothemax. Writing full saroop of Guru Granth sahib is no easy task, making sure you get each laga matra right. The likharis of Guru Granth Sahib maharaj deserve great respect.

Punjab digital library have done a great job. However the site hasn't been updated in a while. It could be due to financial issues. I hope they continue with their work. It would be awesome if they could digitise the kartarpuri bir.

The british library currently has a 17th century Guru Granth Sahib:

http://www.bl.uk/onl...8u00031v00.html
If you zoom onto first page you can see that the word denda has a bindi above it, yet in modern printed saroops the bindi is not there. Unfortunately due the haste of sgpc wanting to print saroops of maharaj, they failed to do enough research into old handwritten saroops to make sure paath printed was correct.

I know this is off topic, but all handwritten saroops of Guru Granth sahib were in written in larivar form. Even granth's such suraj parkash were written in larivar. It's unfortunate we have given up reading in larivar form.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Edited by osingh1, 27 June 2011 - 11:07 AM.

[tSingh]

I think it would be very very valuable for people to read through these old scriptures! Even to read through Suraj Prakash would be very very useful!

Amardeep - the only Nirmala texts I can see in these lists are the works of Pandit Gulab Singh Ji (four of them). The text opens with Ik Ongkar not Ganesh! Ganeshaya Namah means salutations to Ganesh, which in old texts is the custom for undertaking any literary or artistic effort followed by a mangal to Sarasvati. In some of the original texts being translated thats how the text begins itself. Anyone with a cursory understanding of his works will recognise that his ishta is nirgun Braham, since that is what his lengthy text establishes through defeating all other possible philosophies. I recall Kamalroop Singh trying to argue the same that Pandit Gulab Singh Ji worshiped devtas. So please read on...its available on Panjab digital library website. You'll find the same traditional mangals to Sarasvati in Kavi Santokh Singh Ji's works...which I'm sure you'd recognise was not written by a Hindu Purohit. In fact you can see in the old photo a murti of Ganesh placed over the doorway of the Bunga dedicated to the Gyanis in Amritsar in which resided Gyani Sant Singh Ji, granthi of Sri Darbar Sahib, part of the lineage of Damdami Taksal and Kavi Ji's guru.

There is also a mistake on the site when it says that Siddhantvind is a work of Sankaracharya. Its undoubtedly the commentary called Siddhant-Bindu on the Dash-shaloki of Sankaracharya written by the 17th Century Sri Madhusudan Sarasvati.

Edited by tSingh, 27 June 2011 - 12:13 PM.

[amardeep]

Tsingh: I will send you the scanned pages from Fenechs book on email tonight, Sorry i forgot it during this weekend

[tSingh]

Thanks amardeep, very kind of you. Just the reference will do if it saves you some hassle.