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[SikhKhoj]

I was discussing with Amardeep. It is easier to discuss in a thread. What do others think?

Amardeep, start with posting all your arguments (we start from nill here).

Topic:
1. do all religions lead to God?
2. are other religions false/contain mistakes?

Edited by SikhKhoj, 22 July 2011 - 09:55 PM.

[amardeep]

As I said, go read up on vedant.. Im not gonna discuss this with you when you keep refusing to see the greater picture and instead just post random quotes from non-authority hindu scriptures nor have an interest in understanding basic vedant.

[SikhKhoj]

What is authority Hindu granth? Name me which ones.

[kdsingh80]

SikhKhoj, on 22 July 2011 - 09:54 PM, said:

I was discussing with Amardeep. It is easier to discuss in a thread. What do others think?

Amardeep, start with posting all your arguments (we start from nill here).

Topic:
1. do all religions lead to God?
2. are other religions false/contain mistakes?

My answer is No

If all Religions really lead to god then why was Sikhi created in First place.the creation of Sikhism itself shows that Guru's believed that the best way to acheive salvation is Sikhi

[SikhKhoj]

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If all Religions really lead to god then why was Sikhi created in First place.the creation of Sikhism itself shows that Guru's believed that the best way to acheive salvation is Sikhi

Exactly my point to Amardeep. If Hinduism was alright, Guru would have preached Hinduism. But no they created a different religion.

Edited by SikhKhoj, 22 July 2011 - 10:19 PM.

[amardeep]

read this

http://www.sikhaware...__1#entry122717

and afterwards read this by Tsingh on why sikhi then:

http://www.sikhaware...kh-metaphsyics/

[SikhKhoj]

Quote relevant parts here.

All other religions have mistakes, how would you explain that?

[amardeep]

No read it all.. If you dont even care to read a simple text then what is the point in debating with you? YOu debate to learn or just for the sake of debating?

[SikhKhoj]

They don't give an article to read in a debate, they quote relevant points. But I read it.

Now tell me how you would justifiy wrong things in other religions?

Edited by SikhKhoj, 22 July 2011 - 11:54 PM.

[amardeep]

Now you gonna go on and on again about sati and caste system? I already told you to stop regarding current practices in the hindu community as a touch stone for how to interpret the caste system as laid out in the vedic canon.. The puranas nor the manu samritee is NOT a part of the vedantic canon.. that is only: Vedas, upanishads, forrest litterature and the brahmanas.

Just quoting a few lines from here and there because the label "hindu" is attached to the scripture is like trying to argue that sikhs believe in the caste system by refferencing the various rehitnamas..

[SikhKhoj]

Why do you assume that 'other religions' only refers to Hinduism? I am talking about Christianity, Islam etc aswel.

If you don't want quots from the Puranas or the Manu Smritees then fine, I shall quote from the Vedas. Puranas are mostly basic 'interpretations/teachings' of the Vedas, and are also important to the Hindus.

Vedas promote having boys over girls. It even lays out a ceremony to be carried out by the pregnant women to beget a son. Atharva Ved, Book 6, Hymn 11.

[osingh1]

Religion may lead one closer to God.

But each religion has a different destination.

Before Guru Nanak Dev ji Maharaj, bhagats such bhagat kabir ji, bhagat Ramanand ji had reached as far as karam khand. When Guru Nanak Dev ji gave them gurmantar, they were able to reach the highest khand which is Sachkhand and were able to uchaar Dhur ki bani.

No other religion mentions Sachkhand, so how can they reach Sachkhand?

Muslims aim for jannah, christians aim for heavan. If one is aiming for heavan or jannah how can he reach Sachkhand?Just read description of Jannah in the Quran. Here one recieved wine that does not intoxicate, beatiful gardens etc.


Now read sri Jap ji sahib, Saram khand which is the next level up from Gyan Khand cannot even be decribed. Here the the surat and man are changed. In this body we have we can't fully appreciate Saram khand. If one tries to describe this khand he later regrets, such is the beauty of this khand. If we can't even describe Saram khand imagine the greatness of Karam khand and finally Sachkhand.

I respect muslims, christians, hindu's etc who strive for mukhti, salvation, heaven etc.

Can we at least agree that destination of Gursikhs differs to that of semitic religions, please read their decription of heaven in their respective granths. Jannah is mentioned many times in the Quran.

I agree that Hindu dharam is closest to Sikhi when it comes to upper most destination. I truly believe sri Guru Nanak Dev ji maharaj is the highest avtar (please read bhatta de swaiye) then Satguru alone can guide us to the highest destination. Avtars such as Krishan ji, sri Raam Chander ji were not pooran avtars.

Sabb te vadda Satgur Nanak, jin kal rakhi meri.

rabb rakhe

Edited by osingh1, 23 July 2011 - 12:59 PM.

[amardeep]

SK:

your methodology makes no sense.. IF you wish to prove that Sikhism does'nt believe all paths can lead to God if followed properly then quote Gurbani instead of picking random lines from various scriptures.

Its like saying, Peter does not like Martin because Martin says bla bla bla.. why not directly just ask peter if he likes martin instead of trying to put arguments down his throat??

[Mithar]

amardeep, on 23 July 2011 - 12:57 PM, said:

SK:

your methodology makes no sense.. IF you wish to prove that Sikhism does'nt believe all paths can lead to God if followed properly then quote Gurbani instead of picking random lines from various scriptures.

Its like saying, Peter does not like Martin because Martin says bla bla bla.. why not directly just ask peter if he likes martin instead of trying to put arguments down his throat??

You don't need to even look at Peter to know that Martin is imperfect. What happens if Martin happens to beleive in the oppressive caste system, idol worship OR is an old pedophile who married a 6 year girl, promotes rape and execution of unarmed combatants/civilians, believes in slavery etc do we still need to ask if Martin is equal to Peter?

If Sikhs do not abandon Dasam Bani, and read it they can clearly see the greatness (and distinctness) of Gurmat over all other matts, which is why certain agencies have planted the Kala Afghani movement amongst the Sikhs to discard Dasam Bani.

[amardeep]

I can't seem to find the quote you are talking about but that veda seem to talk much about kingship so isn't it possible that the ceremony is to have a successor king in the linage and not as you point out, - to have a son because women are inferior and should be below men...