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[HSD1]

chatanga1, on 24 January 2012 - 02:45 PM, said:

Everynow and again, crimes happen which make the whole british people look at themselves and society, the horrific case of James Bulger, and Baby P, are recent ones. Even the white and black people, so do you think that collective conscious about certain things, ie murder of children, still may exist in one form or another?

Not really, its more a form of outrage rather than any meaningful expression of sorrow or regret. The only time a white society ever shows collective concious is when some of their own commit a crime in the name of nation/race/religion and there is no way of explaining it or defending it. Look at Anders Brevik - when the attack happened, people in the UK were like 'those muslims, we'll get them for sure!!!!!!11'. When it turned out it was a white guy, people started feeling sorry for him as they blamed what he did on 'muticulturalism'. Which says it all really.

Edited by HSD1, 24 January 2012 - 05:50 PM.

[dalsingh101]

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How many murders in England are due to caste?

Let me ask, how many murders, rapes and attacks take place back home with a heavy caste component?

You going to go into denial about that now and perfectly demonstrate what we are talking about?

Edited by dalsingh101, 26 January 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[HSD1]

dalsingh101, on 26 January 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Let me ask, how many murders, rapes and attacks take place back home with a heavy caste component?

You going to go into denial about that now and perfectly demonstrate what we are talking about?

I was talking about England. No one cares about anyone's caste here. If these things happen then the victim needs to let people know.

I never denied anything. As for India, it is a law and order problem with a severe education component. People need to be told from a young age what Sikhs views on caste are. You cant honestly expect after a hundred years of British (divide and ) rule followed by 60 years of Hindustani rule that the Punjab is still going to be a bastion of how to remove caste from the community. The police also need to enforce laws as well as having a judiciary who punish properly. Expecting Sikhs to self police when they either have no experience of the problem, or dont know its wrong in the first place, is never going to work.

Edited by HSD1, 26 January 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[dalsingh101]

HSD1, on 26 January 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

I was talking about England. No one cares about anyone's caste here. If these things happen then the victim needs to let people know.

I never denied anything. As for India, it is a law and order problem with a severe education component. People need to be told from a young age what Sikhs views on caste are. You cant honestly expect after a hundred years of British (divide and ) rule followed by 60 years of Hindustani rule that the Punjab is still going to be a bastion of how to remove caste from the community. The police also need to enforce laws as well as having a judiciary who punish properly. Expecting Sikhs to self police when they either have no experience of the problem, or dont know its wrong in the first place, is never going to work.

Casteist Sikhs know damn well what they are doing. Our casteism isn't the result of external manipulation.

Plus you are talking pure shit about no one caring about caste here.

You remind me of a white man saying "No one cares about race here in England!"

Edited by dalsingh101, 26 January 2012 - 01:11 PM.

[chatanga1]

People do care about caste in Uk, but it is nowhere near the scale in india. There are more inter-caste marriages happening nowadays in the UK, and soon it will stop raising eyebrows if people of different castes are getting married.

[dalsingh101]

chatanga1, on 26 January 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

People do care about caste in Uk, but it is nowhere near the scale in india. There are more inter-caste marriages happening nowadays in the UK, and soon it will stop raising eyebrows if people of different castes are getting married.

We still aren't there yet but progress is being made in the diaspora - then we have to somehow drag those thick village dwelling retrogrades back home into the 21st century.

We need a strong and vocal anti-caste momentum in the diaspora. One that the pendus back home can't ignore.

Edited by dalsingh101, 26 January 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[HSD1]

Who really cares about caste though? Apart from Londondajatt? I've already shut him up.

As for the strong anti-caste momentum, the singling out of a single caste will always lead to claims of victimisation and allow them to reinforce their beliefs. If you want to create a movement that cant be ignored it needs to solve issues that are caused by caste and show how working together can overcome them. Leading by example rather than pointing fingers is the best way to win hearts and minds.

[dalsingh101]

Look, jatts are the most guilty, organised and determined with their caste shite. Open your eyes. Outside of the web, their are thousands of LondondaJatt, here and in Canada. As for the majority Panjabi community - forget about it!!

But I do get your point about winning hearts and minds. Bear in mind however, that some hearts and minds can be devious and incorrigible to a breathtaking extent. I'm sort of happy that you have yet to buck this force in our society. You will though - sooner or later. If you really are as naive as you make out, you are going to be in for a big shock.