Incest in Hinduism
Posted 09 January 2007 - 06:22 PM
apparently more common in Hindu society than in any other part of the world:
incest. References to this practice abound. Often the girls were unwilling, but
were then forced by their brothers/fathers.
References abound even in the Rg Veda, showing that the perversion of
brother-sister incest was introduced by the ancient Hindus :
Pushan is the lover of his sister [ Rg Ved VI.55.4 ] [ Apte 11 ]
Agni is the lover of his own sister [ Rg Ved X.3.3 ] [ Apte 11 ]
Ashvins are referred to as the sons of Savitar and Ushas who are brother and
sister [ Apte 11 ].
The Ashvisns married Surya and Savitri who is their sister [ RV I.116.19 ].
Agni is the son of his fatehr and his sister [ Rg Ved.I.91.7 ]
Yama wards off his sister Yami, saying marriage between brother and sister is
forbidden [ R.V.X.10 ] [ Apte 11 ]
Father-daughter incest occurs in the famous story of Prajapati (later
identified with Brahma, in tunr incorporated as an incarnation of Vishnu) and
his daughter [ RV III.31.1-2 ]. Moreover, this was punished. Prajapati is
thought to have done something wrong, and Prajapati was pierced by Agni as a
punishment [ Sat.Br. XIII.9 ] [ Apte 63 ].
It is evident that the strict laws on male-female relations led to the
repression of normal practies and the rise of various perversions like
brother-sister incest, father-daughter incest etc. Even to this day incest of
varying degrees (cross-cousin, father-daughter, mother-son, brother-sister,
etc.) is extremely common amongst the Hindus. No other race on earth has ever
recorded such a prevalance of this practice. Just as sodomy has its home in
Persia, Lesbianism in ancient Lesbos, so incest has its home amongst the
I am glad i am a sikh
from the website http://www.geocities.../4229/in10.html
Posted 09 January 2007 - 10:06 PM
and i dont think they can really talk about incest issues !
Posted 11 January 2007 - 06:40 PM
Regarding the religion referred to as `Hinduism', JAWAHARLAL NEHRU said in his "THE DISCOVERY OF INDIA" (Page 37):
"HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other."
Hinduism is better known as Brahmanism, since the word `Hindu' is of Islamicate Persian origin. There were essentially 2 types of faith in ancient India. Firstly, those which accepted the Vedas and superiority of the Brahmin caste (these are referred to as `astika' or orthodox) and consist of 6 schools. These are collectively referred to in ancient inscriptions as `Brahmana', which is rendered as `Brahmanism'. This category includes Vaishnavas, Vedists (`vaidikas'), Vedantists, etc. Then those who opposed casteism and the Vedas; these are referred to as `Sramana' or `nasika' (heretic). This last category includes Buddhists, Jains, Shaivas, Tantrics, Atheists (Carvaks), etc.
During the course of history, the `nastikas' (Charbak) have been almost wholly exterminated from India by systematic persecution at the hands of Brahmanists.
WHAT IS RELIGION?
Religion is a way of life and practice in order to obtain success in this world and the hereafter. Each and every religion has the same basic principles but follows different ways and methods to reach God. A religion should be based on justice, love, humanity and equal rights. A religion should satisfy human nature. All humanity is the creation of God and God does not discriminate between His creations whether white or black, high and low, rich and poor, and so on. God always upholds the right principles and naturally would not support the aggressor over the weaker. God always sympathizes with the victim who has been punished without reason. No man can reach God by banning, enslaving, fooling and cheating another fellow human in the name of religion.
AN OPEN CHALLENGE
My dear fellow citizens of India, I am sure you will all be very shocked with the unassailable evidence collected from the Brahmin Holy books to prepare this booklet.
We invite any Brahmin to challenge the contents of this book in public, in the newspaper, or any media of their choice. Since the first edition of this work was written and published by Dr. Chatterjee, no rebuttal has surfaced. Nor do we expect any rebuttal to this improved version by Prof. Hadwa Dom published in Dalitstan Journal, because what is stated in this booklet is the truth.
ARE YOU A HINDU ?
If so, then: Have you ever really read the Vedas, Upanishads, Smritis and Puranas (Ramayana and Mahabharata) ?
Your answer most probably will be: "No!"
The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
THE HINDU RELIGION EXPOSED
Hindu Brahmins always criticize, condemn and mock other Religions. Most of the most virulent anti-Muslim, anti-Christian and anti-Sikh literature in the world has been, and is being, published by Brahmans. Their criticism and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable. In fact, they are often blatant lies and falsehoods.
In his autobiography, Dr. Charles, an American scholar says that it is very simple to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu means "one who believes anything and everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity".
The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate Himself? Can He not understand His creation? Or has his intellect also been destroyed by the Brahmins ? Why should God become a donkey or a cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures?
Lord Rama is the central character of the Epic RAMAYANA (whose author was Valmiki). Rama is the son of Dasharath, the king of Banaras. Dasharath had three wives, Kaushaliya, Kaikeyi and Smitra besides several hundred concubines.
According to the Ramayana, Rama spent most of his life trying to save his wife Sita from the clutches of Ravan. At the same time Rama was enjoying life to the full at every opportunity. In addition, Rama is responsible for the genocide of Dravidians when he ordered the firing of Lanka which led to thousands of Dravidian men, women and children being burnt alive.
HOW RAMA WAS FOOLED BY SUKRIEVAN
When "god" Rama was exiled to the forest together with his wife, Sukrievan appeared as a deer and fooled "god" Rama. Although Rama was a "god", he was not able to see through Sukrievan's disguise.
12 YEARS FOR RAMA, BUT ONE DAY TO RAVAN
To retrieve his wife from `devil' Ravan, 'god' Rama sought the help of Hanuman, a monkey 'god'. Hanuman agreed to help Rama bring his wife back on condition that 'god' Rama in turn help him (Hanuman) to kill his twin brother prior to undertaking the mission.
It took more than twelve years for Hanuman to build a bridge and accomplish the task, while Ravan just took Sita and flew to Sri Lanka in just one day's time. Where is the bridge that Rama built? Who is more powerful- 'God' Rama or devil Ravan? Would a 'god' seek the help of another 'god' to murder a third god?
* If Hanuman could fly carrying big mountains, he should have in the first instance carried and flown 'god' Rama to Sri Lanka, which would have resulted in early rescue of Sita.
* Who knows what Ravan might have done to Sita during this period of twelve years? Definitely a devil would have done only "devilish" things!
Before helping 'god' Rama, Hanuman made Rama shoot his own twin brother in the back and only then did Hanuman help 'god' Rama. How can a "god" indulge in such a criminal act for personal gain?
When 'God' Rama was told to go to the forest, he mournfully revealed to his mother: It has been ordained that I have to lose the kingdom, forego the princely comforts and the tasty MEAT-DISHES. (Ayothia Kandam, 20, 26, 94th Chapters).
RAMA'S MANY WIVES
In Mr. C.R. Sreenivasalyengar's translation of Valmiki Ramayana, it says: 'Though Rama had married Sita to be the queen, he married many other wives for sexual pleasure in accordance with the royal customs. (Ayodhya Kandam 8th Chapter, Page 28). (The term "Rama's wives" has been used in many places in Ramayana).
RAMA'S CONTEMPT FOR WOMEN & LOW CASTES
Rama disfigured and mutilated many women by cutting off their noses, breasts, ears, etc. and tortured them (Soorpanagai, Ayomuki). Rama said, "Women should not be trusted" and that "Secret should not be confided to the wife". (Ayodhya Kandam, Chapter 100). Sambuka was slain (by Rama) because he was making penance which was forbidden to him by Vedas as he was a "Shudra". (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 76).
Looking at his hand Rama said the Sanskrit slogan "Oh right hand, you kill this Asche Shudra unhesitatingly as killing this Shudra is the only way to get back the life of the deceased Brahmin boy. Are you not one of the limbs of Rama?" (Valmiki Ramayanam)
Note: This Rama, who mercilessly took away the life of Sambuka for no other fault than that of making penance is held as the Avatar (incarnation) of Vishnu! If there were kings like Rama alive now alas! What would be the plight of those who are called "Shudras?" But then we have Big Brahmins like Nehru and Vajpayee to take the place of Rama !
Rama, like an ordinary man, fell down into the river and DROWNED (Uttara Kandam, Chapter 106). How can a "god" die? Who will then look after the affairs of the world?
LUSTFUL SITA VS THE "IMPOTENT" RAMA
The negationist television serials depict Sita as supposedly denying Ravan's advances. However, the oldest versions of Ramayana (read - those not yet manipulated by the Brahmins) belie these falsehoods, and amply demonstrate that Sita willingly eloped with Ravana, the Black Tamil King.
Thus Sita told Rama "You are no better than a womanmonger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution". Sita also told Rama "You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm" and she called her husband a simpleton.
As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).
When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttar Kandam, Chapter 97)
Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! Come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita's house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn." (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?
When such dastardly acts are proven to have been perpetrated by Rama, the Brahmin leaders declare : "My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana". So each Brahmin has his own Aryan god Rama, which does not exist in any text !
SOME QUOTATIONS ON RAMAYANA
MAHATHMA GHANDI : "The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights story".
JAWAHERLAL NEHRU : "Rama is not a god; but he is a hero"
C. RAJAGOPALACHARI, First Governor General of India & Ex Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu). : "Ramayana is not a divine story; it is only a literature."
The cataclysmic Mahabharata War was engineered by this `god'. Lord Krishna was also very fond of looking at naked young girls. Once upon a time Krishna, in order to get a full view of some bathing virgin girls, went to the extent of hiding their clothes on the tree tops just to get a panoramic view. Does he obtain divine immunity from looking at a naked woman?
The Gita, a Holy Book of the Hindus, quotes that when these bathing low caste girls (gopis, or Sudra cow-herdesses) begged for the return of their clothes. Lord Krishna demanded that they come out of the water with their hands raised instead of covering their bodies. Oh my innocent Hindu brethren! Can this action be attributed to a god? Is this god capable of indulging in such ungodly acts? These acts of Krishna are the exact mirror of the later Brahmin exploitation of Sudra women in the huge Devadasi temples.
THE RIDDLE OF RAMA AND KRISHNA
The Times of India reported on 12-11-87 that the Education Department, Government of Maharashtra, had published a book called "The Riddle of Rama and Krishna" by Dr. Ambedkar.
The report said that various statements contained in the book aroused the ire of some Brahmins, particularly the author's observations on Rama and Dasharath's many wives and also Krishna's moral character. (The Riddle of Rama and Krishna, available from Dalit Sahithya Academy, Bangalore). This book it a must read for all Hindus.
GOD SHIVA, LORD GANESH & GODDESS PARVATHL
According to Hinduism, god Shiva's head is the source of the river Ganges and his head is also the place where the moon is located. (If this was really a fact then why should America send astronaut Neil Armstrong 240,000 miles away to the moon ?).
According to Puranans, goddess Parvathi, wife of god Shiva, sought Shiva's permission to have a baby. When Shiva refused, Parvathi took dirt from her body and created Lord Ganesh. (The late E.V.R. Periar used to call this god a "bundle of dirt").
Later God Shiva mistakenly chopped off his own son's head. How could a "god" make such a foolish mistake? Would such a god solve your problems or make them more complicated?
To rectify his error God Shiva severed the head of a baby elephant and transplanted it onto his son who then became known as the Elephant-headed god. His statues are usually found near river-sides where he is said to be looking for a bride resembling his mother! (There is a different version to this story which, for decency's sake, cannot be printed here).
KALI-GODDESS OF VIOLENCE
A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Dehii because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of India.
Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations.
The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.
Bihar's police chief J. Sahay said: "We have tried our best to curb human sacrifices, but what can an agency do when an entire village chooses a victim and cuts off his head with his parent's consent." Bihar's famous lawyer, Urnkant Chaturvedi, said that "Human sacrifice under our law is treated as murder, but the killer- never found - is always the local high priest." He continues, "at times the local policemen are reluctant to take action because of the inbred fear of the gods and goddesses."
A famous human sacrifice occurred in 1972 when a powerful leader in Maharashtra state- in order to find a treasure - offered blood from 11 virgin girls to Manja. He did not find the treasure, but four persons were hanged for the crime and the main culprit escaped because of his political influence. Some time ago, two brothers named Siddharth and Ravi asked their 21 year old sister Shobha to take a bath and come for prayers to a nearby temple in Kerala State. To her horror, the brothers pierced her with a sword and iron rods whilst chanting Vedic mantras. Withering in pain, she begged for pity, but she was cut to pieces and her body burned bit by bit. The brothers had done it to unearth a hidden treasure. At first they tried to find another victim but when they failed to find another virgin girl, they sacrificed their own sister.
One may ask why this human sacrifice is so prevalent in Brahmanic society and is sanctioned in the Vedas (where it is mentioned as `purushamedha'? Was it, as is sometimes fraudulently claimed, due to cannibal Adivasi influence ? No ! The answer is : Human sacrifice was spread amongst the non-Brahmins by the Brahmins in order to make the non-Brahmins kill each other. One may ask, could this not boomerang onto the Brahmins themselves ? The Big Brahmins had of course thought of this : Only Brahmin children are exempted by the Vedas from human sacrifice.
This goddess was married to five brothers. Which one would become the legitimate father of his child should she have one? Dr Charles says that instances of incest are common in Hindu scriptures.
SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI - "HIS HOLINESS"!
SHANKARACHARYA OF PURI, NIRANJAN DEV TEERTH, one of the BRAHMINS' supreme Spiritual leaders, gave an interview to the Kalyan (Hindu) monthly magazine. Extracts are given below:
Q: "Maharaj! if a Shudra acts righteously, can he become a Brahmin?"
A: "If the Shudra acts according to his code and keeps within the limit of Varnashrama he may become a Brahmin in the next birth - but never in the present."
Q: "Is the belief in the caste system essential?"
A: "Yes, it is very essential. There can be no PROGRESS without belief in caste system.
Q: "Maharaj! The change of caste depends on deeds and virtues."
A: "No, it depends on birth and not on deeds. Caste depends on birth, deeds cannot change it. This is an IRREFUTABLE TRUTH".
At the inaugurating of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (RSS Branch) at Patna in April 1969, the Shankaracharya (of course he is a Brahmin! ) said: "Untouchabitity is a part and parcel of Hindu social system, I shall cling to this belief even if they HANG ME. "
On Low Caste Hindus! Have a look and see what the Brahmin MANU says (Chapter VIII Sloka 4,14). "Slavery is inborn among the Shudras and no one can free them from it".
The Brahmin MANU again says in Chapter 19, Sloka 413: "Sri Brahmin had intended from eternity that the Untouchables should be born slaves, live as slaves, and die as slaves."
On another occasion the Acharya said that there was no way out for a woman who becomes a widow other than to commit Sati. He said he will oppose the Sati law even if the Government of India HANGS him.
Instead of sending him to prison, according to the Indian constitution, this fanatic priest is often visited and worshipped by the top Brahmin leaders in India.
This is none other than the internationally famous "SEX SWAMIJI." He preaches free sex involving orgies and he says that before life comes to an end one should indulge in as much sexual activity as is humanly possible. This he claims is what blissful heavenly life is. He is a true swami, in that, he not only preaches but is also actively involved in practising what he preaches.
He also teaches the love for wealth and materialism. Little wonder that this "god man" owns over ninety Rolls Royces and a ranch in America! Rajneesh and his "Holy" group are well known to carry all kinds of sexually transmitted diseases.
This controversial "globe trotting" godman has links with scandals like the Bofors scandal. He spends much of his time attending to the individual problems of Hollywood stars, multi-millionaires and other famous people. Should anything happen to them he rushes to their aid in a chartered private jet. He never misses an opportunity to pose for photographs with them so as to appear in international magazines like Time and Newsweek. Why doesn't he attend to some of Indian's problems as well?
Pamella Bordes, the Ex-beauty queen of India, and a well known prostitute, was used by this Swamiji for some of his international frauds which have come to light very recently.
SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI (THE GODLY RAMBOH)
Why does a "HOLY MAN" need a GUN FACTORY? This Swamiji has one! A gun with a licence to protect himself is justifiable ....... but this Swamiji needs a gun factory to protect himself ? He also has had a helicopter pad constructed for his convenience. (His followers include Nani Palkiwala and Manoj Kumar).
The author has very high appreciation for the following HOLY MEN in preference to other HOLY MEN:
RAJNEESH - THE SEXY "HOLY" MAN.
MAHARISH - THE FLYING "HOLY" MAN.
CHANDRA SWAMI - THE HOLLYWOOD "HOLY" MAN.
SAI BABA - THE MAGIC "HOLY" MAN.
SWAMI DIRENDRA BRAMACHARI - THE "GODLY" RAMBO.
Don't you see how these people fool and cheat the world!
THE HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT
This group is now attracting hundreds of drug addicts in the U.S. and THE WEST. Like the Hindu Saints (Sanyasis) of Kashi (Varnasi) they smoke and take drugs in all sorts of different forms.
A UNI press report (15-8-1987) said, under the heading of "SECT CHIEF IS CONVICTED KILLER". - that the Hare Krishna's chief is a convicted killer and drug dealer. The swami, 38 year old Thomas Drescher, is imprisoned at the West Virginia state penitentiary for gunning down Steven Bryant, 33, in Los Angeles. Drescher was also convicted in 1979 for manufacturing and distributing drugs and was found guilty in January 1983 of slaying a Krishna devotee. Finally the report concludes that since 1977, seven of the original I I gurus named by the HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA movements founder have been removed for reasons ranging from CHILD abuse, DRUG dealing and SEXUAL promiscuity.
O Ramacandra, these scriptural injunctions were laid down by learned men, skilled in inducing others to give, and finding other means of obtaining wealth, thus subjugating the simple-minded. Their doctrine is 'Sacrifice, give in charity, conse- crate yourselves, undergo austerities, and become ascetics'. 0 Rama, be wise, there exists no world but this, that is certain! Enjoy that which is present and cast behind thee that which is unpleasant! Adopting the principle acceptable to all, do thou receive the kingdom offered thee by Bharat (Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda, 108).
What good has Hinduism done for India?
Does Hinduism have the answers for todays problems? Alcoholism - Drugs- Divorce - Suicide etc.
To these gods move, think or speak?
Can they defend themselves if attacked; or mend themselves if broken?
Don't you think it foolish to worship these manmade objects?
Does India belong to the Indians (95 %) or the Brahmins (5%)?
Did Hinduism originate in India itself or did it come with the Aryans via the Khyber Pass?
Can a person convert and become a Brahmin?
What is the relationship between the Aryans of India (Brahmins) and the Aryans of Germany (Hitler's Nazis)?
Why do the Brahmins and Nazis have the same symbol - the Swastika? (Look at the racist National Front symbols in South Africa).
Ask yourself who is your God? Is it Shiva, who has the moon and river Ganges on his head and who could not identify his own son? Or is it Rama who couldn't see through Sukrievan's disguise and who murdered another god? Or could it be Krishna, the "playboy god"?
THE BRAHMIN CONSPIRACY
The conspiracy and intrigue of domination over other human beings has been the main objective of Brahminism all along. Brahminism, an Aryan concoction of human and insatiable lust for hegemony, sex and money, sought to rule the ignorant and deprived masses in the name of religion.
This is very visible from the content, tone and message of the holy books, written and perpetuated in the name of religion by the Brahmins. How can these books be called the word of God? They contain the most exotic form of pornography, the most depraved norms of behaviour and the most unjust and ugly system of life based on extortion, cruelty and blood thirsty hunger for domination over others. The Hindus are not Brahmins and the Brahmins are not Hindus. At least this is evident from the books written and disseminated by the Brahmins themselves.
The Sudroids are the original inhabitants of Hindustan, the very people who were the true architects of the Indus Valley civilization which was considered to be one of the best examples of human societal development in the entire history of the human race. The barbaric Brahmins came from the wastelands of the region beyond the Himalayas and destroyed the great monuments of culture and civilization and pushed the real inhabitants of India into slavery.
Slavery is the message of the Brahmins "holy" books concocted by them. Just as the Jews divided humanity into Jew and Non Jew, so has the Brahmin. The whole world is classified in these books as Brahmin and Non Brahmin. The non Brahmin is to remain internally a slave unto the "master" who has dominated Indian history since he lay his hand on it.
We must break the chains, once and for ever. The bondage and the slavery must go. But first let us find out what these books say. On concept of democracy, social justice, secularism, politics, economics, leadership and elections are all based on the wretched caste system, an evil curse that has been spun round the necks of the innocent and deprived.
Let us tear the mask away from those evil faces, which stare at us from every nook and corner of our lives.
The intelligent reader can easily uncover the ulterior motives of Brahmins as to why they incite High Caste Hindu mobs to kill Low Caste Hindus or for creating communal tensions with other minorities ever so often. This they do in order to continue their stranglehold on state policies, so that they can manipulate them to their advantage; they don't care adamn for the nation of India... Read for yourself what the Brahmin priest Purshottam Rao has to say......
Temple priest HYDERABAD
Q: Should sadhus enter politics?
A: There was a time when Brahmins used to dictate state policy. Now we have been totally sidelined. The VHP is trying to correct this historical wrong by bringing religious leaders to the forefront of our national life. It is now time for the entire Hindu religious leadership to once again lead the nation.
The Continuing War on Low Caste Hindus......
NEW DELHI, Sept. 19 ® - Three Indian students set themselves ablaze today to try to shock the government into scrapping plans to reserve more government jobs for low castes in the Hindu hierarchy.
'This (job's plan) is for the poor classes who have been denied their rights for thousands of years. The students shouldn't come in their way," Paswan told Reuters. Protests led by upper-caste students began sweeping north India soon after Prime Minister Vishwanath Pratap Singh said on August 7 that 27 percent of government jobs would be set aside for low castes.
Paswan was himself born an "untouchable" or outcast in the system, which traditionally decides occupation and status by birth. "Untouchables" prefer to call themselves "Dalits," the oppressed. Paswan told a conference of political leaders and officials today that the jobs plan had to go ahead to raise the status of low castes and create a more sympathetic bureaucracy.
He said the upper castes were still taking jobs set aside 40 years ago for Dalits by simply delaying the implementation of reservation policies. Bureaucrats would employ an upper-caste graduate with irrelevant qualifications for a typist's job and turn down a Dalit trained to type at 60 words per minute, he said.
you can read the whole book on www.ahya.org/news/hinduawake
Posted 11 January 2007 - 06:45 PM
Dr. Charles claims that Ramayana contains much pornographic materials and cannot be read in public. He gives the following examples.
Rama's description of Sita's beauty which is lewdly detailed (refer to C.R Srinivasa lyengar's translation of Aranya Kandam - Chapter 46). In Kiskind Kandam, Rama explains to Lakshmana of his sexual experience with Sita.
Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:55 PM
Your presentation of the Avataars, interpretation of their lives and the ancient Hindu texts, and objectives in posting the above information are in complete contrast to Sikhi and our Guru Sahibaans thinking.
May you could gift us with your understanding of Choubees Avataar and Chandi Charitra in context to your above post.
Alongside, please give your thoughts on the following divine words:
ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥
jasrath raa-ay nand raajaa mayraa raam chand paranvai naamaa tat ras amrit peejai. ||4||4||
My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra, the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv, I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||
Vahe-Guru ji ka Khalsa Vahe-Guru ji ki Fateh
Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:04 PM
My information is not against sikhi and our Guru Sahibaans thinking. Below is why.
here is my understanding of Choubees Avataar:
In clear concise language Guru Sahib Ji states :
I do not seek the blessings of Ganesh,
I do not worship Krishna or Vishnu.
I do not recognise them.
I am engrossed in the loving devotion of my Lord alone.
The Lord of Death, Akal, is my refuge and He saves me is all tribulations.
(Krishan Avtar, 434)
Take the composition Var Bhaguti Ji Ki, this tells how the godess Durga Devi was called upon by Inder Devta to help him in destroying the demons Sumb and Maha Kahsur and their legions. First and foremost Guru Ji bows and pays homage to Sri Bhaguti (God) and then recounts the names of the nine Gurus. He then says that you (God) created the world and that it was from you that Durga, Sri RamJi and Baghwan Krishan Ji got the strength to destroy their enemies.
Var Sri Bhaguti Ji
First and formost I remember Bhaguti Ji and then set my mind on Guru Nanak. Then I seek the help of Guru Angad, Guru Amar Das and Guru Ram Das. Arjan, Hargobind and (Guru) Har Rai be remembered. Sri Harkrishan be meditated upon whose mere glimpse removes all sorrows. (Guru) Tegh Bahadur be remembered as it causes home to flourish. They all help me at all times.
The Lord first created Khanda, the double edged sword and then his manifest world. Having created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, He created the entire play of Kudrat (manifest world). He created the oceans, mountains, earth and sky which stands above, unsupported by any pillars. He created both gods(deities) and demons and then created polemic. It was You who created Durga so as to destroy the demons. Rama also took strength from you to kill Ravan with his arrow. Krishan also got strength from You and thus threw down Kansa by his hair. Many great deities and ascetics underwent hard austerities, but none could fathom thy greatness.
As can be seen from this opening passage that Guru Gobind Singh Ji draws all his strength and inspiration from the one formless God, Akal Purkh. He says that Durga was created by You, O Lord
From sri dasam granth:Page 1352
If we consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take brith from the womb of Kaushalya ? He, who is said to be the KAL (destroyer) of KAL (death), then why did none become subjugated himself before KAL?
Someone calls him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only the One Creator.
Satt saroop bibair kahaae su kyon path kau rath haank dhayo joo|| Taahiko maan(i) prabhoo kar(i) kai jh ko kooo bhed(u) na len layo joo||13||
If he is called the Truth-incarnate, beyond enmity and opposition, then why did he become the charioteer of Arjuna ? O mind ! you only consider him the Lord God, whose Mysetry could not be known to anyone.13.
Kyon kahu Krishan kripaanidh hai kih kaaj te baddhak baan lagaayo|| Aur kuleen udhaarat jo kih te apno kul naas(u) karaayo||
Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the hunter shot his arrow at him ? He has been described as redeeming the clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan;
aadh ajon(i) kahaae kaho kim devak(i) ke jathrantar aayo Taat na maat kahai jih ko tih kyon Basudevah(i) baap(u) Kahaayo||14||
He is said to be unborn and beginningless, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki ? He , who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father?14.
Kaahe ko esh maheshah(i) bhaakhat kaahe dijesh ko es bakhaanyo|| Hai na raghvesh jadvesh ramaapat(i) rai jin kau bisvanaath pachhaanyo||
Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Lord ? There is none amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Lord of the Universe by you
Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way you prove Shukdev, Prashar etc. as liars; all the so-called religions are hollow; I only accept the One Lord as the Providence.15.
Kooo dijesh ko maanat hai ar(u) kooo Mahesh ko esh batai hai|| Kooo kahai bishno bishnaaik jaah(i) bhaje agh ogh katai hai||
Someone tells Brahma as the Lord-God and someone tells the same thing about Shiva; someone considers Vishnu as the hero of the universe and says that only on remembering him, all the sins will be destroyed;
Baar hazaar bichaar are ja? ant samai sabh hitaj(i) jai hai|| Taahiko dhyaan pramaan(i) heee jooo the ab hai ar(u) aagai oo hvai hai||16||
O fool ! think about it a thousand times, all of them will leave you at the time of death, therefore, you should only meditate on Him, who is there in the present and who will also be there in future.16.
Kotak Indra kare jih ko kaikottee upindra banaae khapaayo|| Daanab dev phanindra dharaadhar pachchh pasoo nah(i) jaat(i) ganaayo||
He, who created crores of Indras and Upendras and then destroyed them; He, who created innumerable gods, demons, Sheshnaga, tortoises, birds, animals etc.,
aaj lage tap(u) saadhat hai Shiv oo Brahmaa kachh(u) paar na paayo|| Bed Kateb na bhed lakhyo jih sooo guroo gur moh(i) bataayo||17||
And for knowing whose Mystery, Shiva and Brahma are performing austerities even till today, but could not know His end; He is such a Guru, whose Mystery could not be comprehended also by Vedas and Katebs and my Guru has told me the same thing.17.
Posted 13 January 2007 - 10:48 AM
You have chosen select lines which make up a tiny portion of the bani I have mentioned. The point of the above was to place the emphasis of worship on the nirgun and not sargun. Sargun evokes adoration and inspires devotion. This devotion leads to sargun bhakti which God willing, will give us a glimpse/awareness of nirgun.
I see that you have not attempted to explain the gurbani tuk which I quoted.
Here is another, I hope that you can see my point about your approach and understanding of the Indian holy texts and that of our Guru, we should invoke inspiration from the Avataars, those glorious attributes/actions that reflect Vaheguru's glory...not get lost in unwise modern versions/translations of history, and it does not do our karm any good to degrade Vaheguru's champions of previous yug.
If you still do not understand please do deep vichaar on the following shabad and then express your thoughts - it beautifully identifies and explains sargun and nirgun:
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
मारू महला ५ ॥
maaroo mehlaa 5.
Maaroo, Fifth Mehl:
ਅਚੁਤ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥
अचुत पारब्रहम परमेसुर अंतरजामी ॥
achut paarbarahm parmaysur antarjaamee.
The Supreme Lord God is imperishable, the Transcendent Lord, the Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts.
ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨ ਦਾਮੋਦਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ॥
मधुसूदन दामोदर सुआमी ॥
maDhusoodan daamodar su-aamee.
He is the Slayer of demons, our Supreme Lord and Master.
ਰਿਖੀਕੇਸ ਗੋਵਰਧਨ ਧਾਰੀ ਮੁਰਲੀ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧॥
रिखीकेस गोवरधन धारी मुरली मनोहर हरि रंगा ॥१॥
rikheekays govarDhan Dhaaree murlee manohar har rangaa. ||1||
The Supreme Rishi, the Master of the sensory organs, the uplifter of mountains, the joyful Lord playing His enticing flute. ||1||
ਮੋਹਨ ਮਾਧਵ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ੍ਨ ਮੁਰਾਰੇ ॥
मोहन माधव क्रिस्न मुरारे ॥
mohan maaDhav krisan muraaray.
The Enticer of Hearts, the Lord of wealth, Krishna, the Enemy of ego.
ਜਗਦੀਸੁਰ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥
जगदीसुर हरि जीउ असुर संघारे ॥
jagdeesur har jee-o asur sanghaaray.
The Lord of the Universe, the Dear Lord, the Destroyer of demons.
ਜਗਜੀਵਨ ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਘਟ ਘਟ ਵਾਸੀ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨॥
जगजीवन अबिनासी ठाकुर घट घट वासी है संगा ॥२॥
jagjeevan abhinaasee thaakur ghat ghat vaasee hai sangaa. ||2||
The Life of the World, our eternal and ever-stable Lord and Master dwells within each and every heart, and is always with us. ||2||
ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥
धरणीधर ईस नरसिंघ नाराइण ॥
DharneeDhar ees narsingh naaraa-in.
The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God.
ਦਾੜਾ ਅਗ੍ਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮਿ ਧਰਾਇਣ ॥
दाड़ा अग्रे प्रिथमि धराइण ॥
daarhaa agray paritham Dharaa-in.
The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth.
ਬਾਵਨ ਰੂਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਤੁਧੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸੇਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੰਗਾ ॥੩॥
बावन रूपु कीआ तुधु करते सभ ही सेती है चंगा ॥३॥
baavan roop kee-aa tuDh kartay sabh hee saytee hai changa. ||3||
O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3||
ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥
स्री रामचंद जिसु रूपु न रेखिआ ॥
saree raamchand jis roop na raykh-i-aa.
You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature.
ਬਨਵਾਲੀ ਚਕ੍ਰਪਾਣਿ ਦਰਸਿ ਅਨੂਪਿਆ ॥
बनवाली चक्रपाणि दरसि अनूपिआ ॥
banvaalee chakarpaan daras anoopi-aa.
Adorned with flowers, holding the chakra in Your hand, Your form is incomparably beautiful.
ਸਹਸ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਕੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸਭ ਹੈ ਮੰਗਾ ॥੪॥
सहस नेत्र मूरति है सहसा इकु दाता सभ है मंगा ॥४॥
sahas naytar moorat hai sahsaa ik daataa sabh hai mangaa. ||4||
You have thousands of eyes, and thousands of forms. You alone are the Giver, and all are beggars of You. ||4||
ਭਗਤਿ ਵਛਲੁ ਅਨਾਥਹ ਨਾਥੇ ॥
भगति वछलु अनाथह नाथे ॥
bhagat vachhal anaathah naathay.
You are the Lover of Your devotees, the Master of the masterless.
ਗੋਪੀ ਨਾਥੁ ਸਗਲ ਹੈ ਸਾਥੇ ॥
गोपी नाथु सगल है साथे ॥
gopee naath sagal hai saathay.
The Lord and Master of the milk-maids, You are the companion of all.
ਬਾਸੁਦੇਵ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਦਾਤੇ ਬਰਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਕਉ ਗੁਣ ਅੰਗਾ ॥੫॥
बासुदेव निरंजन दाते बरनि न साकउ गुण अंगा ॥५॥
baasudayv niranjan daatay baran na saaka-o gun angaa. ||5||
O Lord, Immaculate Great Giver, I cannot describe even an iota of Your Glorious Virtues. ||5||
ਮੁਕੰਦ ਮਨੋਹਰ ਲਖਮੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥
मुकंद मनोहर लखमी नाराइण ॥
mukand manohar lakhmee naaraa-in.
Liberator, Enticing Lord, Lord of Lakshmi, Supreme Lord God.
ਦ੍ਰੋਪਤੀ ਲਜਾ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ਉਧਾਰਣ ॥
द्रोपती लजा निवारि उधारण ॥
daropatee lajaa nivaar uDhaaran.
Savior of Dropadi's honor.
ਕਮਲਾਕੰਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਕੰਤੂਹਲ ਅਨਦ ਬਿਨੋਦੀ ਨਿਹਸੰਗਾ ॥੬॥
कमलाकंत करहि कंतूहल अनद बिनोदी निहसंगा ॥६॥
kamlaakant karahi kantoohal anad binodee nihsangaa. ||6||
Lord of Maya, miracle-worker, absorbed in delightful play, unattached. ||6||
ਅਮੋਘ ਦਰਸਨ ਆਜੂਨੀ ਸੰਭਉ ॥
अमोघ दरसन आजूनी स्मभउ ॥
amogh darsan aajoonee sambha-o.
The Blessed Vision of His Darshan is fruitful and rewarding; He is not born, He is self-existent.
ਅਕਾਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਜਿਸੁ ਕਦੇ ਨਾਹੀ ਖਉ ॥
अकाल मूरति जिसु कदे नाही खउ ॥
akaal moorat jis kaday naahee kha-o.
His form is undying; it is never destroyed.
ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਗੋਚਰ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਤੁਝ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਲਗਾ ॥੭॥
अबिनासी अबिगत अगोचर सभु किछु तुझ ही है लगा ॥७॥
abhinaasee abigat agochar sabh kichh tujh hee hai lagaa. ||7||
O imperishable, eternal, unfathomable Lord, everything is attached to You. ||7||
ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥
स्रीरंग बैकुंठ के वासी ॥
sareerang baikunth kay vaasee.
The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven.
ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥
मछु कछु कूरमु आगिआ अउतरासी ॥
machh kachh kooram aagi-aa a-utraasee.
By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.
ਕੇਸਵ ਚਲਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਰਾਲੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜਹਿ ਸੋ ਹੋਇਗਾ ॥੮॥
केसव चलत करहि निराले कीता लोड़हि सो होइगा ॥८॥
kaysav chalat karahi niraalay keetaa lorheh so ho-igaa. ||8||
The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass. ||8||
ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥
निराहारी निरवैरु समाइआ ॥
niraahaaree nirvair samaa-i-aa.
He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.
ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥
धारि खेलु चतुरभुजु कहाइआ ॥
Dhaar khayl chaturbhuj kahaa-i-aa.
He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.
ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥
सावल सुंदर रूप बणावहि बेणु सुनत सभ मोहैगा ॥९॥
saaval sundar roop banaaveh bayn sunat sabh mohaigaa. ||9||
He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9||
ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥
बनमाला बिभूखन कमल नैन ॥
banmaalaa bibhookhan kamal nain.
He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes.
ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥
सुंदर कुंडल मुकट बैन ॥
sundar kundal mukat bain.
His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.
ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥
संख चक्र गदा है धारी महा सारथी सतसंगा ॥१०॥
sankh chakar gadaa hai Dhaaree mahaa saarthee satsangaa. ||10||
He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||
ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥
पीत पीत्मबर त्रिभवण धणी ॥
peet peetambar taribhavan Dhanee.
The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds.
ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥
जगंनाथु गोपालु मुखि भणी ॥
jagannaath gopaal mukh bhanee.
The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.
ਸਾਰਿੰਗਧਰ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ਮੈ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਸਰਬੰਗਾ ॥੧੧॥
सारिंगधर भगवान बीठुला मै गणत न आवै सरबंगा ॥११॥
saaringDhar bhagvaan beethulaa mai ganat na aavai sarbangaa. ||11||
The Archer who draws the bow, the Beloved Lord God; I cannot count all His limbs. ||11||
ਨਿਹਕੰਟਕੁ ਨਿਹਕੇਵਲੁ ਕਹੀਐ ॥
निहकंटकु निहकेवलु कहीऐ ॥
nihkantak nihkayval kahee-ai.
He is said to be free of anguish, and absolutely immaculate.
ਧਨੰਜੈ ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਹੈ ਮਹੀਐ ॥
धनंजै जलि थलि है महीऐ ॥
Dhananjai jal thal hai mahee-ai.
The Lord of prosperity, pervading the water, the land and the sky.
ਮਿਰਤ ਲੋਕ ਪਇਆਲ ਸਮੀਪਤ ਅਸਥਿਰ ਥਾਨੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਹੈ ਅਭਗਾ ॥੧੨॥
मिरत लोक पइआल समीपत असथिर थानु जिसु है अभगा ॥१२॥
mirat lok pa-i-aal sameepat asthir thaan jis hai abhgaa. ||12||
He is near this world and the nether regions of the underworld; His Place is permanent, ever-stable and imperishable. ||12||
ਪਤਿਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਦੁਖ ਭੈ ਭੰਜਨੁ ॥
पतित पावन दुख भै भंजनु ॥
patit paavan dukh bhai bhanjan.
The Purifier of sinners, the Destroyer of pain and fear.
ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਨਿਵਾਰਣੁ ਹੈ ਭਵ ਖੰਡਨੁ ॥
अहंकार निवारणु है भव खंडनु ॥
ahaNkaar nivaaran hai bhav khandan.
The Eliminator of egotism, the Eradicator of coming and going.
ਭਗਤੀ ਤੋਖਿਤ ਦੀਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲਾ ਗੁਣੇ ਨ ਕਿਤ ਹੀ ਹੈ ਭਿਗਾ ॥੧੩॥
भगती तोखित दीन क्रिपाला गुणे न कित ही है भिगा ॥१३॥
bhagtee tokhit deen kirpaalaa gunay na kit hee hai bhigaa. ||13||
He is pleased with devotional worship, and merciful to the meek; He cannot be appeased by any other qualities. ||13||
ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਅਛਲ ਅਡੋਲੋ ॥
निरंकारु अछल अडोलो ॥
nirankaar achhal adolo.
The Formless Lord is undeceivable and unchanging.
ਜੋਤਿ ਸਰੂਪੀ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਮਉਲੋ ॥
जोति सरूपी सभु जगु मउलो ॥
jot saroopee sabh jag ma-ulo.
He is the Embodiment of Light; through Him, the whole world blossoms forth.
ਸੋ ਮਿਲੈ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ਆਪਹੁ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਪਾਵੈਗਾ ॥੧੪॥
सो मिलै जिसु आपि मिलाए आपहु कोइ न पावैगा ॥१४॥
so milai jis aap milaa-ay aaphu ko-ay na paavaigaa. ||14||
He alone unites with Him, whom He unites with Himself. No one can attain the Lord by himself. ||14||
ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਆਪੇ ਕਾਨਾ ॥
आपे गोपी आपे काना ॥
aapay gopee aapay kaanaa.
He Himself is the milk-maid, and He Himself is Krishna.
ਆਪੇ ਗਊ ਚਰਾਵੈ ਬਾਨਾ ॥
आपे गऊ चरावै बाना ॥
aapay ga-oo charaavai baanaa.
He Himself grazes the cows in the forest.
ਆਪਿ ਉਪਾਵਹਿ ਆਪਿ ਖਪਾਵਹਿ ਤੁਧੁ ਲੇਪੁ ਨਹੀ ਇਕੁ ਤਿਲੁ ਰੰਗਾ ॥੧੫॥
आपि उपावहि आपि खपावहि तुधु लेपु नही इकु तिलु रंगा ॥१५॥
aap upaaveh aap khapaaveh tuDh layp nahee ik til rangaa. ||15||
You Yourself create, and You Yourself destroy. Not even a particle of filth attaches to You. ||15||
ਏਕ ਜੀਹ ਗੁਣ ਕਵਨ ਬਖਾਨੈ ॥
एक जीह गुण कवन बखानै ॥
ayk jeeh gun kavan bakhaanai.
Which of Your Glorious Virtues can I chant with my one tongue?
ਸਹਸ ਫਨੀ ਸੇਖ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਨੈ ॥
सहस फनी सेख अंतु न जानै ॥
sahas fanee saykh ant na jaanai.
Even the thousand-headed serpent does not know Your limit.
ਨਵਤਨ ਨਾਮ ਜਪੈ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਣੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਹਿ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੬॥
नवतन नाम जपै दिनु राती इकु गुणु नाही प्रभ कहि संगा ॥१६॥
navtan naam japai din raatee ik gun naahee parabh kahi sangaa. ||16||
One may chant new names for You day and night, but even so, O God, no one can describe even one of Your Glorious Virtues. ||16||
ਓਟ ਗਹੀ ਜਗਤ ਪਿਤ ਸਰਣਾਇਆ ॥
ओट गही जगत पित सरणाइआ ॥
ot gahee jagat pit sarnaa-i-aa.
I have grasped the Support, and entered the Sanctuary of the Lord, the Father of the world.
ਭੈ ਭਇਆਨਕ ਜਮਦੂਤ ਦੁਤਰ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥
भै भइआनक जमदूत दुतर है माइआ ॥
bhai bha-i-aanak jamdoot dutar hai maa-i-aa.
The Messenger of Death is terrifying and horrendous, and sea of Maya is impassable.
ਹੋਹੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲ ਇਛਾ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਤਨ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੭॥
होहु क्रिपाल इछा करि राखहु साध संतन कै संगि संगा ॥१७॥
hohu kirpaal ichhaa kar raakho saaDh santan kai sang sangaa. ||17||
Please be merciful, Lord, and save me, if it is Your Will; please lead me to join with the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ||17||
ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿਮਾਨ ਹੈ ਸਗਲ ਮਿਥੇਨਾ ॥
द्रिसटिमान है सगल मिथेना ॥
daristimaan hai sagal mithaynaa.
All that is seen is an illusion.
ਇਕੁ ਮਾਗਉ ਦਾਨੁ ਗੋਬਿਦ ਸੰਤ ਰੇਨਾ ॥
इकु मागउ दानु गोबिद संत रेना ॥
ik maaga-o daan gobid sant raynaa.
I beg for this one gift, for the dust of the feet of the Saints, O Lord of the Universe.
ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਾਇ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਵਉ ਜਿਸੁ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤਿ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈਗਾ ॥੧੮॥
मसतकि लाइ परम पदु पावउ जिसु प्रापति सो पावैगा ॥१८॥
mastak laa-ay param pad paava-o jis paraapat so paavaigaa. ||18||
Applying it to my forehead, I obtain the supreme status; he alone obtains it, unto whom You give it. ||18||
ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਸੁਖਦਾਤੇ ॥
जिन कउ क्रिपा करी सुखदाते ॥
jin ka-o kirpaa karee sukh-daatay.
Those, unto whom the Lord, the Giver of peace, grants His Mercy,
ਤਿਨ ਸਾਧੂ ਚਰਣ ਲੈ ਰਿਦੈ ਪਰਾਤੇ ॥
तिन साधू चरण लै रिदै पराते ॥
tin saaDhoo charan lai ridai paraatay.
grasp the feet of the Holy, and weave them into their hearts.
ਸਗਲ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਤਿਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦ ਮਨਿ ਵਾਜੰਗਾ ॥੧੯॥
सगल नाम निधानु तिन पाइआ अनहद सबद मनि वाजंगा ॥१९॥
sagal naam niDhaan tin paa-i-aa anhad sabad man vaajangaa. ||19||
They obtain all the wealth of the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the unstruck sound current of the Shabad vibrates and resounds within their minds. ||19||
ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ॥
किरतम नाम कथे तेरे जिहबा ॥
kirtam naam kathay tayray jihbaa.
With my tongue I chant the Names given to You.
ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ ॥
सति नामु तेरा परा पूरबला ॥
sat naam tayraa paraa poorbalaa.
'Sat Naam' is Your perfect, primal Name.
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਭਗਤ ਪਏ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਰਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਗਾ ॥੨੦॥
कहु नानक भगत पए सरणाई देहु दरसु मनि रंगु लगा ॥२०॥
kaho naanak bhagat pa-ay sarnaa-ee dayh daras man rang lagaa. ||20||
Says Nanak, Your devotees have entered Your Sanctuary. Please bestow the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan; their minds are filled with love for You. ||20||
ਤੇਰੀ ਗਤਿ ਮਿਤਿ ਤੂਹੈ ਜਾਣਹਿ ॥
तेरी गति मिति तूहै जाणहि ॥
tayree gat mit toohai jaaneh.
You alone know Your state and extent.
ਤੂ ਆਪੇ ਕਥਹਿ ਤੈ ਆਪਿ ਵਖਾਣਹਿ ॥
तू आपे कथहि तै आपि वखाणहि ॥
too aapay katheh tai aap vakaaneh.
You Yourself speak, and You Yourself describe it.
ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸੁ ਦਾਸਨ ਕੋ ਕਰੀਅਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਵੈ ਦਾਸਾ ਰਾਖੁ ਸੰਗਾ ॥੨੧॥੨॥੧੧॥
नानक दासु दासन को करीअहु हरि भावै दासा राखु संगा ॥२१॥२॥११॥
naanak daas daasan ko karee-ahu har bhaavai daasaa raakh sangaa. ||21||2||11||
Please make Nanak the slave of Your slaves, O Lord; as it pleases Your Will, please keep him with Your slaves. ||21||2||11||
Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:46 AM
For this reason i am stopping posting any negative articles on hinduism. I am a sikh and a learner so please forgive me if i have hurt peoples feelings. We should not look at the negativities of other persons but their good qualities.
I think we all should spend less time on the net and more time doing naam abayias.
Posted 14 January 2007 - 01:46 PM
Alongside naam abyaas, we should also spend time doing paath or kirtan and listening to kathaa and doing deep vichaar on Guru Ji's universal and divine words.
Vaheguru ji ka Khalsa Vaheguru ji ki Fateh.