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    Jageera

    Battling Addiction with Gurbani

    Just an update.Today marks 100 days since I quit Alcohol and Cigarettes.Still think about it once in a while but the strong urges have gone. Social life took a hit as I rarely go out any longer but no problem.It is better this way.Now is a time I get to know who my real friends are. Been doing daily some Mool mantar jaap,Japji Sahib,Chaupai Sahib,some breathing simran and I believe it is powering me to carry on. I will update again here in another 100 days.Thanks to all members here who helped me in this journey to clean up my act.
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    Most inspiring katha vichar. Those walking on this path of simran will gain a lot of guidance from this video if you listen carefully. For those who hear the high pitched frequency sound like peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee or teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Listen from time index 12:25 seconds to the video below (although advised to listen to the whole thing ). There were many posts in this thread when we talked about it and others ask if that was it.
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    dalsingh101

    Anger after Paath

    Keep at it. Try and incorporate a little Sukhmani Sahib in as well. Breaking thought patterns isn't an overnight thing. Slow the breathe rate too. I find the long slow exhalation on GU RU really chills me out.
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    Mooorakh

    #Love_your_God

    How to fall in love with God we usually associate the term love with loving another person; usually of the opposite sex. That is the kind of love that we nurture with another person of flesh and blood. However, here Guru Ji is talking about another dimension of love. This love is neither for a person; nor of a romantic type, as is immortalized in the legions of books like Romeo and Juliet, or Heer and Ranja etc. Instead, it is love for God and that, too, is steeped in a deep sense of reverence. The love that Guru Ji is referring to is not for a person, but a personal nature and a trait. Let us see if we can find out about this expression of love in the Guru Granth Sahib. Let us first start with Guru Nanak Dev Ji. "mohIpRymiprypRiBAibnwsIrwm]" "Mohee prem pirae prabh abinaasee raam." (SGGS, Pg. No. 843) Meaning: I am enticed by the love of my Husband Lord, the Eternal, Imperishable Lord God. Here Guru Nanak Dev Ji is sharing his excitement and the enthusiasm that has welled up in him for God. In fact Guru Nanak Dev finds this love so intoxicating that he expresses that feeling in these words: "BauqyrwBWgKlVImyrwcIqu]mYdyvwnwBieAwAqIqu]" "Bhao tera bhaang khalrree mera cheeth. Mai daevaanaa bhaeiaa atheeth." (SGGS, Pg. No. 721) Meaning: Your Reverence, O Lord God, is my marijuana; my consciousness is the pouch which holds it. I have become an intoxicated hermit. Thus, we can see that Guru Nanak Dev Ji is not just declaring his adoration and reverence for God, but also declaring that he has become a crazy hermit in love. This strong bonding of love that Guru Nanak Dev Ji experienced and shared with us through his writings is different from our experience. However, the pangs of separation, besides springing forth feelings of emptiness, anxiousness, and anxiety, are like those experienced in the worldly love. However, there is an added new dimension here - a keen desire for reunion. Such is the heart and feelings of the truly intoxicated in the divine love. Let us explore the similar feelings of Guru Ram Das Ji. "myrYminqinpRymulgwhirbwxujIau]" "Merai mun tan prem lagaa har baan jeeo." (SGGS, Pg. No. 175) Meaning: The arrow of the Lord's Love has pierced by mind and body. We have known about the piercing arrow effect of love that has been immortalized with an image of Cupid, but what about that experience for God? Well it is not one of our experiences. Next let us explore the similar feelings of Guru Arjan Dev Ji the complier of Guru Granth Sahib. "AYsIpRIiqgoivMdisaulwgI]myilleypUrnvfBwgI]" "Aisee preet govind sio laagee. Mael la-ae pooran vaddabhaagee." (SGGS, Pg. No. 198) Meaning: Such is my love for the Lord of the Universe has blossomed; through perfect good destiny, I have been united with Him. Elsewhere, Guru Arjan Dev Ji has shared his emotions of being deeply in love in the following words: "mUlwlnisaupRIiqbnI]rhwau]qorInqUtYCorInCUtYAYsImwDoiKMcqnI]" "Moo laalan sio preet banee. Rahao. Toree n toottai chhoree n chuttai aisee maadho khinch tanee." (SGGS, Pg. No. 827) Meaning: I have fallen in love with my Beloved Lord. Pause. Cutting it, it does not break, and releasing it, it does not let go. Such is the string the Lord has tied me with. The quotations above express love as a state of mind as experienced by Guru Ji, and how he stays in that state of mind. That day and night Guru Ji is thankful from his heart, because that bonding has grown in him. Further, he prays to God please bless him, so that this feeling may be continuously nurtured. He says that every attempt to disengage from it or snap from it fails. This is not falling in love but is rising in love and ascending higher. Now, let us explore; if we can taste the same steep love for God from the Banis of Bhagats in Guru Granth Sahib. Bhagat Ravidas has expressed his true love with God in these words: "swcIpRIiqhmqumisaujorI]qumisaujoirAvrsMigqorI]" "Saachee preet hum tum sio joree. Tum siyo jor avar sang toree." (SGGS, Pg. No. 659) Meaning: I am joined in true love with You, Lord. I am joined with You, and I have broken with all others. In this line we can see the true expressions of love for God, while having disconnected from others. In fact all the above quotes share with us the emotions of special bond of love with the divine. In elsewhere Ravi Das says on page 487 that because of this love I will not come back in incarnations. We all have this same yearning that we try to fulfill in our worldly relationships with our beloved, spouse, parents, and children. But our experiences have not been so fulfilling nor have they been nurturing. So, where should we turn for help? Guru Ji advises how to seek help: "ik®pwiniDbshuirdYhirnIq]qYsIbuiDkrhuprgwswlwgYpRBsMigpRIiq]" "Kirpa nidh basaho ridhai har neet. Taisee budh karhao pargaassa laagai Prabh sang preet." (SGGS, Pg. No. 712) Meaning: O Lord, ocean of mercy, please abide forever in my heart. Please awaken such understanding within me, that I may be in love with You, God. Guru Ji puts a precondition before that understanding can develop with these words: "jauqaupRymKylxkwcwau]isruDirqlIglImyrIAwau]" "Jao tau prem khelan ka chaao. Sir dhar tale galee maeree aao." (SGGS, Pg. No.1412) Meaning: If you desire to play this game of love with Me, then step onto My Path with your head in hand. The condition imposed by Guru Ji is only to come with your head in your hand. The expression is an analogy for a person who is ready to die. But here Guru Ji is not talking about the death of the body, but is talking about the death of the ego. In the next line Guru Ji says that when going on this path there should not be any hesitation nor any concerns for the opinions or the viewpoints of others. Guru Ji provides the guidance to those who give up ego: "ivxusqgurguxnjwpnIijcrusbidnkrybIcwru]" "Vin sathagur gun n jaapanee jichar shabad n karae beechaar" (SGGS, Pg. No. 936) Meaning: Without the True Guru, one does not see God's Virtues; one does not chant the Glorious Virtues of God. So, Guru Ji is asking us to seek guidance of Guru to develop virtues. How do we develop the virtues within and how can we meet them to learn from them? Before developing virtues the first step is to have understanding of virtues, seeing the virtues, and then appreciating them. Thus the Guru Ji will become the conduit and the coach for the entire process. A Sikh, who is a seeker, will experience the loving nature emanating within. A Sikh can only pray to Guru Ji and seek help, to nurture in him/her this tender sapling that it grows into a giant flowering tree. Let us pray that Guru Ji may provide us with such a blessing that a giant tree of loving with flowers of beauty and fragrance grows within us. Guru Arjan Dev Ji's these words may become our reality of life: "AYsIpRIiqgoivMdisaulwgI]myilleypUrnvfBwgI]" "Aisee preet govind sio laagee. Mail laae pooran vaddabhaagee." (SGGS, Pg. No. 198) Meaning: Such is my love for the Lord of the Universe; through perfect good destiny, I have been united with Him. Gurus have extorted us repeatedly to love God wholeheartedly; without expectations of any returns. Guru Ji has given us many similes of the type of love that he is talking about. These include references to water lily (lotus), and fish regarding their love for water. Guru has given more examples to emphasize the point by referring to a song bird's yearning for rain drop and so on. In conclusion; Guru Ji says that without the Guru this love does not emanate within. Still, the tricky mind will always be looking for excuses to get out of this emotional bonding. Every time it makes that excuse, we will have to be vigilant enough to steer it back with the following suggestion: "AYsIpRIiqkrhumnmyry]AwTphrpRBjwnhunyry]" "Aisee preet karahu mun maerae, aath pehar prabh jaanahu naerae". (SGGS, Pg. No. 807) Meaning: Enshrine such love, O my mind, that twenty-four hours a day, God feels near to you. Then only we can share what we will experience within. In fact Guru Arjan Dev Ji has expressed that feeling in these words: "sunhulokwmYpRymrsupwieAw]" "Sunahu lokaa mai prem rus paaeiaa." (SGGS, Pg. No. 370) Meaning: Listen, O people: I have tasted the elixir of love. Let us pray, hope, aspire that we get to taste this divine love or Prem Rus in our lives. The words referred to above serve as an inspiration for us that we need to develop and nurture such a relationship. Let these words fuel our desire for this divine love. Our singing of these words may not just be repeating the Guru Ji words on a musical scale, but a true heart rendering. The Guru Ji's blessing is all that we need and aspire for, and may we be blessed to experience the feeling of divine love within. May we literally feel the experience, the rising up in True Love. Copied for my satsangi friends Source: https://www.sikhnet.com/news/seeking-true-love
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    Hk sikh

    Introducing ourselves...

    Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh, Im amrit, recently graduated studying BSc coomputer science at Birmingham uni! Currently working a a software test analyst at IT Consulting Company in London. I get to learn so much from this forum with valuable input from the sangat One of the reason, i love this forum is the admin is pro sikh sampardey and sikh sadhu and allows discussion on this topic, e.g. Dhan Baba Nand Singh ji, Dhan Baba Attar Singh ji, Dhan Baba Sunder Singh ji, Dhan baba isher singh ji. If you ever have any question or concern in general, start a topic, my brother and sisters will always be happy to give their views and suggestion which is great way to learn and maybe they will guide you to right direction aswell. Bhul chuk maaf .
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    Dhan Baba Deep Singh Ji Maharaj, Jan 27.
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    Mooorakh

    #Love_your_God

    This 5 mins bani jaap can strengthen our #love_for_God
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    Mooorakh

    Inspiration

    ```✒SOMEONE HAS WRITTEN THESE 10 BEAUTIFUL LINES. READ and TRY to UNDERSTAND the DEEPER MEANING of THEM. 1). PRAYER is not a "spare wheel" that YOU PULL OUT when IN trouble, but it is a "STEERING WHEEL" that DIRECT the RIGHT PATH THROUGHOUT LIFE. 2). Why is a CAR'S WINDSHIELD so LARGE & the REAR VIEW MIRROR so small? BECAUSE our PAST is NOT as IMPORTANT as OUR FUTURE. So, LOOK AHEAD and MOVE ON. 3). FRIENDSHIP is like a BOOK. It takes a FEW SECONDS to BURN, but it TAKES YEARS to WRITE. 4). All THINGS in LIFE are TEMPORARY. If they are GOING WELL, ENJOY them, they WILL NOT LAST FOREVER. If they are going wrong, don't WORRY, THEY CAN'T LAST LONG EITHER. 5). Old FRIENDS are GOLD! NEW friends are DIAMONDS! If you GET a DIAMOND, DON'T FORGET the GOLD! To HOLD a DIAMOND, you ALWAYS NEED a BASE of GOLD! 6). Often when WE LOSE HOPE and THINK this is the END, GOD SMILES from ABOVE and SAYS, "RELAX, SWEETHEART; it's JUST a BEND, NOT THE END!" 7). When GOD SOLVES your PROBLEMS, you HAVE FAITH in HIS ABILITIES; when GOD DOESN'T SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS, HE has FAITH in YOUR ABILITIES. 8). A BLIND PERSON asked GOD: "CAN THERE be ANYTHING WORSE THAN LOSING EYE SIGHT?" HE REPLIED: "YES, LOSING YOUR VISION!" 9). When YOU PRAY for OTHERS, GOD LISTEN to YOU and BLESSES THEM, and SOMETIMES, when you are SAFE and HAPPY, REMEMBER that SOMEONE has PRAYED for YOU. 10). WORRYING does NOT TAKE AWAY TOMORROW'S TROUBLES; IT TAKES AWAY today's PEACE.
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    Mooorakh

    Anger after Paath

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    Amazing thread veer ji. Here is a saakhi i heard just now on youtube worth listening. When Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanaksar went to Rara Sahib - Katha Sant Hari Singh Ji
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    I was at a simran camp a few weeks ago and was very lucky to be amongst some very advanced abyassee gurmukhs. I noticed that at the camp, my rom rom was spontaneously getting active when the sangat was doing jap ! At first, I thought it was just coincidence that this was happening, but it would sync automatically every time, whatever the pace or speed of jap was ? I had to keep convincing myself that it was just my imagination . A very respected and high avastha gurmukh confirmed that this was one of the nishanees that rom rom is parpakh and getting pargat ! I was told that experiencing jap as if it's electrifying and pulsating throughout your body is rom rom manifesting and that I must continue to do more and more simran. I have since picked up a few more pointers with regards to rom rom- 1) rom rom is the beginning of para bani, where we stimulate and try invoke automatic jap by starting simran at the navel. 2) I believe Sant Baba Isher Singh ji mentions this technique as well for beginning rom rom in one of his audios. 3) Your SURAT and SHABAD both begin to mold together and this results in rom rom and para bani getting stronger and stronger. 4) Eventually, (especially when head is uncovered), one can feel a very cool soothing sensation running from top of head throughout the body.... this is the amrit getting manifest throughout the body and in gurbani...... ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਧਾਰ ਗਗਨਿ ਦਸ ਦੁਆਰਿ ॥ Amriṯ ḏẖār gagan ḏas ḏu▫ār. From the Sky of the Tenth Gate, the Ambrosial Nectar trickles down 5) Also later on, ....One can feel the waheguru jap coming from nearly everything and most objects around them. 6) rom rom and the merging of Shabad with Surat, can also stimulate and let the sushmana flow fully towards the agya chakra (slightly above eye brow mid-point). This results in many awakening symptoms of agya chakra, further intuition and a strong bond of love starts to form from this inner awareness. Swami j and yoga sutras mention that this higher affinity for the inner awareness is helpful in setting the stage for deeper experiences of sunn and samadhi.
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    That's quite an interesting read Sat veerji. I am aware that it's from a sant mat radhasoami source or one of their popular references, nevertheless there can be some hidden gems in anything ! Previously, I too had come across some radhasoami info that was slightly misleading. It seemed to state that one must listen to sounds from the right only and not the left. It made it sound that it is forbidden and very bad to listen to the left. This seemed very peculiar to me because i thought that the one's on the right are the dominant ones and you don't really have much choice ! and I thought ''what are they on about?'' Anyway, as I delved further, I came across some other samparda specific sources, that actually gave me the impression that these guys don't actually know what they are on about and i was doubtng whether they had actually experienced anhad shabad ? I have been researching and checking out many sources lately to find some more answers and come to some conclusions. AND...The info you provided above from Anurag Sagar is actually pretty good and near bang on !! From what I have learned recently- -We have energy fields as you know and thats what chakras are all about .Now, energy fields only exist if there are Positive and opposing Negative forces. -Chakras have positive and negative forces, such that, they rotate in opposite directions to the one above and below. So, you can imagine 7 discs arranged with each spinning in opposite rotations to the next one. -However, it's not just chakras, we also have the nadis, kosha sheaths and layers of aura. There is not much info out there that links all of these but if you look into them, you can workout and conclude how they overlap and intertwine. -Negative energies can be associated with the left side and sometimes meditating can result in people hearing from the left side. This is when they are meditating out of the gurmat boundaries. There are all sorts of occult type meditation out there, directed at self-gain of riddi siddi only and not solely towards the true higher conscience of akaal purakh. There is this whole world of psychic phenomena, sending negativities, clairvoyancy..etc.. which is NOT spiritually God aligned towards truth, although these people will claim that they are spiritual when in fact, it is all about self gain and maya. Gurbani warns us about taking this route and we shouldn't pay interest to it. -If you are doing simran correctly and it is directed towards the Truth of Ek onkaar satguru, then you should hear anhad from the right or above/central. -A sixth sense can still come with gurmat simran, but you don't follow it and stray away from the path. You should just take these little encounters with a pinch of salt and not get attracted to them. The above is just my own view from what i have gathered overall and I am in no position to say that what is correct and right for sure. It's just the logical interpretation I make from what I have come across so far.
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    I've never heard of this.
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    das

    Anger after Paath

    don't use that much hot water. just the warm water is enough. In regards to quantity of water, use enough water that covers your whole feet. I am assuming that you are using standard size bucket and not using bath tub. Moreover visualization is perfect but only when you know ALL ins and outs of it. So, I would suggest without visualization as the starting point, may be just recite Waheguru during the soaking. Rest is up to you.
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    Rashpinder Singh

    Brahamgiani - Maskeen Ji

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCdlLgZEGXgz-3BsHfoddAQ
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    das

    Anger after Paath

    Please increase the quantity of salt from 1 tablespoon to 3 tablespoons (exactly 3). For dehydration, drink a glass of water (slowly by holding each sip in mouth for couple of seconds) after the soaking. That should kick in the process.
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    Jageera

    Anger after Paath

    1st update. So far no visible changes in how I feel.I still had 1 anger outburst recently.I daily do the breathing naam jap.5-15minutes.Before that I will soak feet in the salt water.I notice it dehydrates my skin,especially my palms that turn all wrinkly,but after a while it goes back to normal.Plan to carry on the feet soak till that bottle of Himalayan salt is finished.Will update again.
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    Nalwa

    How to sidh this shabad?

    I am trying to do sava lakh paath of thir ghar baiso har jan pyare shabad. I can do abhiyas of the shabad out loud, quietly like a whisper, and with just moving my lips and tongue and no noise coming out from my mouth. Which is the best way to sidh the shabad?
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    Soulfinder

    Anger after Paath

    I am glad to help veer ji. And yes withdrawl symptoms can create this anger as its a change of lifestyle from previous to now. Veer ji i did a bit of reading on the subject of kundalini and what i have found on gurmatbibek.com is here based on gurbani. So its best you read these links before trying it after what i read. http://www.gurmatbibek.com/contents.php?id=465 http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,19451 http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,1688
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    Soulfinder

    How to overcome Wetdream

    Surround yourself as much as you can with gurbani katha kirtain to get rid of these dreams as these should help. Try to do at least 5 kirtain sohila sahib as this will make you feel tried and divert your attention.
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    dalsingh101

    How to overcome Wetdream

    Seriously. Find a decent women who is physically compatible with you, and get married.
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    samurai2

    Anger after Paath

    @Jageera Good on you with your detox. Raag keertan helped me alot. Especially Siri raag, as its a lot of vairaag and this is more associated with heart than mind. So this may help if you are getting mentally fatigued with reading/ listening to bani simran etc. Also physical exercise would help, simple brisk walks at night or just after you have done path/simran (which is where you find your self getting angry) Anyway, keep it up bro!!
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    Mooorakh

    Sava Lakh Jaap of Mool Mantar Sahib

    Don't worry about mind not being stable .. that's the phal. The result.. Path karo taaki Mann jurre don't wait for the Mann to be stable to do path. That would never happen on its own. It's like churning milk. Butter will come on its own.. it's a natural process .. however time may differ for different people. All the best.
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    ha ha The Truth itself is 'supernatural' and 'mystical' Truth is not maya. Behind the veil of maya is the truth. Do only brahman know what's behind veil of maya? Maybe only brahman knows the supernatural and mystical. I don't know anything about brahmans, so not speaking against them. Don't know much about taksal, nanaksar, akj, so i'd be a fool to speak against them. I learned a little more about naamdharees on another thread, so I can assume they don't know who my guru is. They're not in my boat and my foot's not in theirs. Tell me more on Alif Laila, because I don't know anything about it. If you do, i'll tell you more about Adam and Eve an also my favorite "gingerbread" man story.
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    DeNiro

    PDF's of Sikh Books

    Oh dear, that doesn't sound nice. You tried any natural approaches? changing luminosity, reading lights, breathing, yoga, pranayama, diet, looking for triggers, making note of patterns etc.? No, I avoid watching indian dramas or movies. I find the plots tainting and contaminating for my conscious mind. They come across with crafty nindiya chugleee scenarios. I feel elements of psycho-deceptive schemes in play. i.e. how characters toy with others emotions like nau-sass scenarios or agenda based jealousy traits. It may just be me, but I feel they plant negative subconscious seeds in me. I pick and choose very carefully if I were to watch an indian and the only one I've watched in last 2 years was "Dangal" . I'd read some reviews after a black guy at my gym told me - Amir Khan gained 60 lbs for movie and then lost it in a perfectly timed manner with a difficult regimen. My hero, De Niro had gained the same weight for Raging Bull movie. Dangal was different and not the typical Bollywood churn out that are made within a month or so . If there were another Bollywood that was well produced, carefully directed and based on real elements of truth, then iId watch it after seeing some reviews. Otherwise, I avoid indian at all costs.
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    tva prasad

    Jhatka

    I have a slight doubt in my mind, is meat only for nihangs? In the past, the sikhs had to fight so they would have consumed it, however during the current times mainstream sikhs don't really fight. So are mainstream sikhs allowed to eat it or is a vegetarian diet recommended for us? Taksalis say to avoid meat. Are there exceptions for who can eat meat and who can't? I'm not saying the practice of jhatka is wrong or anything, I'm just confused about when and by whom it is to be practiced. Thanks, brother.
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    DeNiro

    The Ringing Sound (Anhad; Sound Current)

    That's incorrect today. Tomorrow, you never know! The high pitched frequencies are what you want to follow. The other sounds you hear are pavan shabads or non-anhad. The panj anhad shabad in unison are heard in sunn. Suffice to say, you are not experiencing those from what you mention. Seems like you are jumping ahead of yourself. Need to be careful because trying to jump ahead is too easy and you can end up wasting months and years. There s no such thing as yogic anhad or gurmat anhad. Anhad is anhad, period. You need to put attention to saas saas and the primordial sound. Its no good me jumping ahead and telling you the higher rungs of ladder. You need to climb the lower paurees with confidence and determination.
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    Waheguru Dhan Mahapursh. Thanks veer ji for sharing !!!!
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    Lucky

    Sava Lakh Jaap of Mool Mantar Sahib

    Welcome back, and you got it! I have a huge problem trying to explain this to people because they can't seem to grasp it. You have to "surrender" and leave ego behind. No questions, no what if's, no what is this or what was that? ... Just devote and give in to the jaap with NO INTENTIONS or CONDITIONS. The only pre-condition must be that I wanna see and be with my maker.. Just like bhagat dhanna. He could have sat in front of anything you gave him and would have still seen his malik because his intention was completely pure and there wasn't an ounce of mayavee condition. I have had countless gursikhs saying I can't progress, I've taken amrit, do nitnem, do sukhmani, do hour of simran...but still feel stuck. When I ask them what their real intentions are ie. what is the ardas? do they do it just for sukh shanti and peaceful bliss? ...is it for success? , riches, happy relationships, happy marriages?? The answer is always yes. Then I tell them that they are doing a sodhha based on conditions and they need to look within. You can't get enlightened with pre-conditions of maya. Our ardas is not an introductory prelude for a list of wants and wishes to add on at the end; sadly this is what we make it. I know of one guy who started seeing the brahm jyot and reaching heights of advanced experiences; simply by sitting down with complete surrender and love in the heart. He used a part visualisation that I mentioned a long time ago to imagine his consciousness shrinking into a small dot and completely letting go of his body. He amended it slightly to putting this dot of awareness directly into the heart chakra area in centre of chest and doing jap with heart beat. No conditions, no wants, no ardas list, except asking forgiveness for wrongs and surrendering of mann into-> the heart/Atma.
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    I was just watching a live broadcast on the Shri Bhucho Sahib youtube channel and noticed that after the ardas at around 6:15pm local time they play instruments resembling the panch shabad in unison (anhad shabad). Go to time index 17:15 to listen
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    I am that 'other' guy who says you should listen to your blood pumping and ear drum vibrating. lol When you are listening to this music... remember these words. There's a trap in any practice/ritual. Watch out for this trap! What trap? What happens is that people forget that they are there to train their concentration. people forget that they are there to obtain Yog with Waheguru, ie to merge with their mool swaroop. They forget to - Chit Vriti Nirodh - to stop the wandering of the mind. While you are on your inner journey, if you forget your purpose, if you forget why you are there and where you intend to go, then you will get lost in sounds and stuff. These will become like the vicious sirens, and no matter how much you tie yourself up with ropes, they will get to you. Even those people who are chanting mantras, when they forget why they are doing it, they get distracted easily and then where did the mantra go? nobody knows. We don't want to fall in this trap. We want to progress and merge with Ram. This is the purpose for which you and I were created. ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥ ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥ Kabir ji says, chant "Ram, Ram" but keep this in mind! The ones who didn't have the intention to merge with Ram, they merged in many worldly distractions; the ones who maintained an intense intention to merge with Ram, they merged with Ram.
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    Yea your eyes will naturally go where you place your dhyan, if you place it on your torso or legs, they will look down. If you place it on oyur head or above your head, they will look up. If you place your dhyan in the eyelids or in front of you, they will look straight. As long as they are not strained, you are good to go. Yea there are many places you can place your dhyan and practice concentration. You can concentrate on - the tip of your nose - the air going in and out of your nose - the sound vibration as you hear it - the rise and fall of your stomach - an image your are imagining - anything - even elements and visualizations... So there are many ways to meditate, even meditating on an element is just practicing of dhyan and attuning yourself with what you are meditating on. If you are outside, one thing you can do is to try to place your dhyan in a tree, in the air or wind, in the water bodies, etc. Pull the dhyan way from the body and yourself and bring it into the tree. Become one with what you are meditating on. Get comfortable and try to move your locus of awareness into the tree. Be the tree. Your grandpa is someone I would like to meet and discuss with. Where does he live? It's important to be clear about what you have an experience with and what you have heard or read. Also many spiritual folks watch a lot of dharma talks on youtube or listen to katha, etc. For each hour of katha you listen to, you should do several hours of meditation and experience the things described in the spiritual lecture. However they do not follow those up with practice. They don't try to experience and yet still talk about such things as if it was their experience. Those that say they heard it somewhere are better off because they are being honest about their approach to this. however they are still worse off than those are actually practicing and trying to achieve those states What they think they are doing is preventing their ahankar from rising. And there is some truth to that because ahankar can flair up when someone talks about themselves. But what they are actually doing is preventing any sort of analysis in to what they are experiencing. They might get criticized by some so they are preventing their ahankar from getting hurt by criticism. If you don't share your experience, no one can help you progress. If someone is more advanced than you, they will be able to see where you stand and where you need to go and how to get there, simply by getting a good account of your experiences. There is tremendous learning potential from sharing experiences, but it's important to share with those whom you trust. You can talk about what you know and what you have heard, as long as you are clear about the distinction. There is belief and then there is knowledge. People are not clear about the distinction between the two. They confuse beliefs for knowledge. I think your grandpa and I would have some interesting conversations.
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    Those were the last set of questions. Clearing up Misconceptions about Agya Chakra meditation I'll tell you why I am asking such questions. I believe that it is not because of meditating on Agya chakra too early that you got a headache and such. And it's not an imbalance in the pavan. It's because your muscles in your face, your jaw muscles and maybe even your neck muscles are tightening up during your meditations on the agya chakra. I used to meditate on the agya chakra a lot and I would feel a pressure in my head between my eyes. My eyes were not straining but I felt a pressure. I thought "cool! my third eye chakra is activating". thus for many years I mistook the pressure in the forehead as the third eye chakra activating. Now the pressure is in the same region as the third eye however when a chakra is working properly you should ideally feel nothing. It is when the chakra is not working properly do you ever feel the chakra. One day I accidentally noticed that if I loosen my jaw everytime there is pressure in the sinus region, then the pressure will go away. I thought it was just a conincidence at first. But everytime I got pressure in that region, I just loosened my jaw and it would go away. Evertime. Muscle Tightness causes Pressure Tightness in the jaw can cause such pressure when you are meditating. It's either the jaw or other muscles in the face that become tight and they cause that pressure feeling. Sinus infection can also cause such pressure it but I didn't have that and if you don't then it is this tightness and tension in the face that is causing the pressure. Btw do you see why you would find it difficult to breath and get a headache if some of the muscles in your face, jaw and neck are tight? It is important to loosen all these muscles by proper stretching (yes you can stretch and loosen your jaw muscle). I think while meditating we tend to strain our facial muscles, by putting in effort into the dhyan. Some people even up straining their eye muscles. Your eyes should be relaxed and still while you meditate. The movement of your eyes is unimportant what matters is where your attention is, what matters is where you are concentrating. How do you know where you dhyan/attention is? You should not need to do this. You should not strain your eye muscles ever. That can cause problems. Keep your eyes relaxed and still, and if they get tense then loosen them up by rolling your eyeballs around and stretching all the muscles. Stop looking with your eyes, instead try to develop an awareness of your entire body, of each limb, each area of the torso where we describe the chakras to be, each finger, etc, without physically looking there. You know the shape of your body and you should be able to tell where you are focusing in on the body. meditating on the body is whole different field of meditation. However for naam japna, just do a basic body scan, and become aware of the shape of the body and then go back to focusing on the mantra. That's only if you want to focus on a body part while naam japna. This is not a requirement. Naam japna can be done with full concentration in the dhwani, the vibration of it. Other variations include - - Becoming aware of the sound vibration as it vibrates in the body. - Chanting with others and focusing on the entire dhwani/vibration generated by everyone instead of just your own. How do you know if you are meditating on a chakra? There are many ways of meditating on chakra. But what I consider the highest meditation, mastery level, is to dwell in the region of the chakra. To be able to move the locus of your awareness to those regions. What is a locus of awareness? locus of consciousness? It is the seat of consciousness in the body. The default position for it is in the head, in the agya chakra. When you are able to concentrate well enough, you can move this seat into your belly, your heart, your feet, etc. Then it will seem as if you are located in your belly and your head is above you. You can even move this locus of awareness above your head, and outside of the body. When you do that then it is known as an Out of Body Experience.
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    No lol. I was able to move my eyes anywhere I wanted to but no matter what I tried my focus and attention became stuck to that area. Try it yourself, put your dhyan at agya chakra for 15 mins. You will feel a very strong pull that is there because you see the mind wants to go there. The mind is astray and wants to go back home. That is the home of the mind.
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    This is seriously unbelievable. First of all, a Sikh should NEVER do anything for ANY worldly desires. To be frank, this sounds like Hindu superstition. Sikhs don't pray for worldly things or do rituals for worldly desires. Or perhaps dhera concocted stories to create control in the members. And a Sikh is to recite naam with every breath. Remember Waheguru with every beat of your heart every day. One will find Waheguru much easier by ACTION of selfless service. Do seva for others, and remember Waheguru with every breath while doing so. There is no need to count jaaps, sit in certain way, like ritual and superstition. I don't know where you are getting your idea of Sikhi Paapiman, but you seriously need to reevaluate what Sikhi is and what it is NOT. And a person would never go mad doing this. Either it was for show, or something else unrelated happened or its a concocted story. I am really starting to wonder about what is being touted as Sikhi as of late!
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    Had a very different experience today. This was close to the end of a 2 hour Simran session My mind got absorbed into the focus and my entire body started vibrating extremely fast and hard. It was so intense that it was like being on a roller coaster. I started hearing these very deep sounds, I think somewhat like thunder- its hard to describe. A few other sounds but I can't really describe them. They were getting louder and clear as the focus started to become deeper but I lost it a little while later. I think curiosity is a big problem for me. I start to analyze what's happening and I lose it. Should just let it happen.
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    Yea definitely. That correlation exists. You are right they don't. Scientists have been holding back science themselves. When they say science, they mean materialistic science. When I say scientists, I mean materialistic scientists. There are plenty of others, who are looking at spiritual phenomenon via scientific methods. In our culture Yog is a science. The hypothesis is "yog chit vrti nirodh, tda drisht swaroopev sthanam" that through reducing distraction we can merge with our mool swaroop, and gain insights into reality. The experiment is to meditate and draw your conclusions via personal experimentation. Here's a lecture I saw a while ago, that I thought was an interesting enough lecture to be less likely to induce sleep. :P
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    Sat, the key is to just take the message from the dream and not to focus on imagery. All our dreams have some underlying message from our subconscious that is trying to tell the conscious. You have to learn to decipher the messages yourself and what is important in any dream is to try and think exactly what your feeling of emotional state was whilst in the dream..and this usually helps you get the message. Dreams and thoughts are MAYA and will remain maya, but you have to use it to your advantage to help you swim across it. Avoiding or ignoring maya is not going to help. They say that the when one transcends maya and conscious connects with subconscious, then there will be no more dreams......remember, just take the message,..act on it,...and move on.. IF you don't get the message and act on it, then the same sort of dreams will keep re-occurring. You never really want to have any sort of recurring dreams because it means you are stuck and not learning the lessons somehow. ....// I'm speaking from what I've learned in my own experience :)
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    Ya, Trataka is one of the hatha yoga techniques. A damn good one. "Trataka eradicates all eye diseases, fatigue and sloth and closes the doorway creating these problems. It should be carefully kept secret like a golden casket" Above passage is taken from a book called Hatha yoga pradipika.
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    Dearest Manmohan ji, There are many good posts in the meditation section where some of your questions have been touched upon. Please spend some time and have a read, listen and watch some of the videos and hopefully you shall find some useful pointers to the answers you seek. If you are beginning to hear anhad sounds then that is great, spend some time listening to them with one pointed concentration and see if new ones slowly manifest. Seeing colours is quite common when you close the eyes. Depending on which tat/element is dominant or you have reached that colour can manifest before you. I was advised not to put dhyan on the colours and if the came before me to open my eyes and they would pass. Then close the eyes and restart. I was instructed only to focus on the sounds or gurmantar. Focus only on the sound. The Name has no form or outline; it vibrates with the unstruck Sound Current; through the Word of the Shabad, the Immaculate Lord is revealed. tis roop na raykh anaahad vaajai sabad niranjan kee-aa.
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    No I do understand , I just don't want you to compare yourself to me. If I do too little I don't want you to do the same. You have to do as much as you can. If that means doing a routine then fine or as much as you can throughout the day is also good. It is not my place to say do x hours a day if you haven't started with 5 mins. Start from something manageable and work yourself up from there. Mind has to also build focused stamina. It doesn't come over night. You have to train the mind like an athlete.
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    ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਦਿਨਸੁ ਰਾਤਿ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਜਾਨੁ ॥ Ram naam nu din raat japo, es tara Gurmukh nu Hari de dhan bare pata lag jaunda hai. Jap all day Lunalon. Whenever you remember it, start your Jap. Don't stop, keep going. If you lose track, get back to the Jap.
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    I have had quite a few member's asking via pm's, with regards to jap and even rom rom, that I have mentioned earlier. So, I shall try and explain as far as I know and how I've gone about this approach. I won't confuse with rom rom yet,because I am trying to get around this myself at the moment. It's important to try and understand what Swaas graas and swaas swaas is firstly. But even more importantly, we should understand a little about what baikhri, madhma, pasant and para mean. For these explanations, we have some very good info in one post that has been displayed on a number of threads and below is just one thread that you can access this same info for reference. NOTE- just to simplify......... Baikhri- is doing jap loudly Madhma- is quietly, like whisper. Pasant- is silent jap, where there is no sound out from mouth. Para- is more further, when YOU are not making the effort to say, but waheguru himself is speaking-This borders/overlaps on further to anhad and rom rom (auto mode) Before we even attempt rom rom, we have to SET the saas graas and saas saas as primary foundations. I know there can be a lot of confusion between the two, and I never quite understood the difference for a long time. But from what I gather and the approach I made, I believe it to be as described below (in brief) Saas Graas This is done using gurmantar with BOTH breaths. 1) Breath in is ''Wahe'' along with slight pull of navel in. 2) Breath out is ''Guru'' along with relaxing of navel(comes back outwards) In between (1) and (2), is an important space of silence or void, that one should try and maintain each breath in and out. This should be a space of no thoughts in between, but you still have your dhyan there ! So, in effect it will sound like-... 1- inhale ''wahe'' 2- HOLD, and then 3- exhale ''Guru'' It should appear as.......Wahe...silence...Guru, ...Wahe...silence...Guru, ...Wahe...silence...Guru, ...etc.... Practice, practice, practice ...until you are doing this until you can bring ALL thoughts just down to One single thought,and then none ! then next you move onto- Saas Saas- 1st STAGE Again, the same gurmantar and breathing technique used, BUT only step 1) from above, while inhaling WITHOUT saying 'wahe' with tongue ! so,...... 1) Inhale in with SILENT internal 'wahe' with breath and navel inwards 2) Exhale with 'Guru' out and relaxing navel outwards. Therefore, you are doing the same as saas graas, but the only sound from tongue should be ''Guru' coming out on exhale, but the gaps, pace and lengths would be the same as if you were saying the 'wahe' as well. In effect, it will sound like...- 1- Breathe in, (no sound except of breath) 2- Hold for a second 3- Breathe out with 'Guru' sound. repeat. It should appear as ..Inhale.. silence... 'Guru', .. Inhale..silence...Guru', ..Inhale..silence..'Guru'...etc. Practice, practice and practice.. Again make the goal of killing the thoughts and using that void of silence to help steady mind. 2nd STAGE Eventually you want to get to just doing the breathing without any slight tongue movements. ie. ... breathe in..slight hold...breath out..... and while doing this you are silently japping Wahe-(in) and Guru-(out) by mentally incorporating the gurmanter in every saas.........this is Saas Saas simran. The 1st stage was a build up the 2nd stage where there should only be the sound of Breath in and Breath out now (only hear the saas) and the gurmantar is actually in your breath and you can hear it yourself but there is no tongue/sound making movement. Therfore, you will hear it, but others will only hear your rhythmic breathing. Personally, I think it is easier to always start with saas graas and then progress to saas saas, in every simran session. Whist also going from baikri to pasant/silent jap. With time, you will find you start going deeper and deeper whilst listening to the gurmantar. The other key is to listen,listen and listen. What I have given above is just the way that I was doing it after researching and reading from all other sources. Everyone can vary it slightly to suit their needs in order to help them get rid of the thoughts and HOLD that mind there. Once you really start listening to the jap and it starts embedding itself within you, then with Waheguru's kirpa, you shall start hearing the anhad/naad/primordial/celestial sounds or Waheguru's voice itself ! Please don't take the above as official simran rules or anything, because they are just my own final conclusions of what I ended up doing in the end after playing about with all sorts of other jugtees and techniques. They may be of some help to some to some of you who are going around in circles trying to settle in that little comfort zone where you feel some decent progress. By all means, other members can add/advise/disregard any of the steps mentioned. I am just a regular dude trying to pursue the path and be as far away from the sins I have continuously committed throughout my life. Waheguru.
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    Lucky

    The Ringing Sound (Anhad; Sound Current)

    I think that one should do as much mental and silent jap as possible, with the sounds in the background. Then you get to a stage where you make the mental adjustment to focus on the sound more, while at the same time, the silent jap is still happening. Correlating the jap with breath and keeping your focus there to start with, is probably the easiest way to master this. 1st)- Get regular jap going- normal vocal, whisper, slight whisper to Silent.-OR -sometimes you may be ale to go straight into silent without doing any vocal or whisper. 2)-Then, keep focus on breath, whilst keeping mental jap going by doing ''wahe' on inhale and ''Guru'' on exhale. 3)- Make the breaths equal and try and keep that empty pause in between as Sat describes above. This is when the naad should begin to be heard more clearer and louder. 4) Slow down the breath and imagine as if you are trying to go deep inside your own chest and heart. 5) Try and maintain this whilst listening to the shabad and you should find that the breathing gets quieter and quieter, while the breaths get longer. 6) Just keep trying to get inwards, deeper and deeper until you feel completely formless. Absolute stillness and quietness is the key, whilst sitting comfortably. Once I got settled and familiar in this method, I started trying to focus in between eyebrows, mental jap and listening to dhun at the same time !....But, I'm not sure if this was right approach or not, but it seemed like the appropriate route to take at the time.
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    Some questions have been arised in this thread as well as on other, on meditation, on the Shabad Dhun, the Sounds one hears..if to listen those from the right, left or center...and so on..... In the above post Veer Sat Jee, has beautifully expressed in a simple manner, the result of catching hold of the right Sounds, which then take us back to our Nijh Ghar, Sach Khand. In the Granth Sahib, in Raag Ramkali, Bani of Sree Kabir Sahib Jee Maharaj, tells us in the following lines, how to listen that Sound, from where to listen to it..and what happens if you attach yourself to that Sound: ਸੁਖਮਨ ਨਾਰੀ ਸਹਜ ਸਮਾਨੀ ਪੀਵੈ ਪੀਵਨਹਾਰਾ Sukhaman Naaree Sehaj Samaanee Peevai Peevanehaaraa सुखमन नारी सहज समानी पीवै पीवनहारा The Shushmanaa, the central spinal channel, is intuitively balanced, and the drinker drinks in this wine. He says: the Sound which is to be heard, is the one which is heard from the center of your forehead, between the two eyes, because that one is the Amrit, which the sikh, the disciple, is eager to find and have it. Worldly wine makes one person loose all it balance, and makes him like a wild mad elephant ....that is worldy wine or liquor. But when one drinks this Wine or Amrit of Nam, of Shabad, the mind is vanquished, and the soul regains its freedom, to go back and merge in Him. Further on He says: ਉਨਮਦ ਚਢਾ ਮਦਨ ਰਸੁ ਚਾਖਿਆ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਨ ਭਇਆ ਉਜਿਆਰਾ Ounamadh Chadtaa Madhan Ras Chaakhiaa Thribhavan Bhaeiaa Oujiaaraa उनमद चढा मदन रसु चाखिआ त्रिभवन भइआ उजिआरा When that wine rises up, one tastes the sublime essence of this juice, and sees across the three worlds. He means that, when one drinks that Nectar of Nam, one tastes the essence of that Nam, and the effect of that drinking Amrit, in this case listening, to that melodious Shabad ringing within us, one´s consciousness is wiped away from all impurities, thus we get the power from that Nam, to cross all the three planes, namely the physical, the astral, and the causal....then only one crosses Brahm, and reaches Paarbraham. After that, though the path is a highway to Sach Khand, but still then, one has to remain seated in the Jahaaz of Nam, in order to reach our true Home, Sach Khand. So we can clearly see, that the way to reach Sach Khand, right from the begining, is holding on to the Shabad, the Nam, which is ringing within us all the times nonstop, and the method to catch that Shabad is through Nam Simran. That is why all our Guru Sahibans, Gurmukhs, stress so much on Nam Bhakti, because it is the only weapon to kill the mind and defeat Kal. One more thing we learn from Kabeer Sahib´s Bani today, is that, the sounds to be paid attention which pull us upwards, are the ones which start from the third eye level and above, but not like those by yogic practices which instead of taking us upwards, bring us downwards, towards throat center, heart center, navel center and the still belower, the ganesh center... our goal is upwards, towards the region of eternity(Sach Khand), not the lower stages or chakras ...which are very much in the realms of being part and parcel of transitory, and thus perishable creation. This is the difference between the yogas and Gurmat...while one releases the shakti within us and keep us bound in the creation by pulling our attention to the lower centers; Gurmat, opens the real power within us, the power of Nam, the Shabad, which gradually frees us from the creation, by cutting all our bondages, and thus making us worthy of merging and becoming one with Wahiguru. The path of Gurmat is unique and superior to all others from any angle, from any point of view. All other paths are, made by the negative power, to keep the soluls entangled in the creation, by creating the impressions, that those sounds and results, are similar to those who walk on Gurmat, he cheats the souls .... there are countless universes and creations within us, so if proper guidance is not there, we may just wander aimlessly and miss our goal But the purpose of Gurmukhs is always inwards and upwards... so it is always better and safer to take guidance with Gurmat. Bahut Janam vichurethe Madho, ehe janam tumare lekhey...
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    The actual sound will vary depending on many factors such as one's health, time of day, amount of exercise, location of meditation -- and of course one's level of heart and spiritual development. Each one can find what detracts or enhances it. It can easily happen that a vague or far-away sound can become sweet and powerful just by patience, focus and relaxation. It is best to focus attention on the upper right of the head while listening. It is easy to become captivated by one's mental pictures and memories, but bring the attention up to the top-right of the head as often as possible. Performing this meditation before sleep, and/or in the middle of the sleep cycle, can have a dramatic and very positive effect on one's dreams and comfort in sleep.
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    The internal Nada or Sound Current is not a disease condition. The proof of this meditation is in its effects afterwards. Listening intently, with love and care to the highest and finest tones will charge the internal battery and increase vitality of spirit. It can also lead to hearing the inner music, the bells and orchestras that are not like any Earthly music. The most accessible path is the high pitched tone heard within the upper right area of the head.
  49. 1 point
    Lucky

    The Ringing Sound (Anhad; Sound Current)

    Seems like a very well researched book. I look forward to some more interesting postings from this. Singhji, it's a little difficult to explain but I don't think t lures you away from real bhagti. We have to use some form of tool to help focus and put our fixation on bhagti. When meditating, some people use a little black dot or mandala to stare at. Some use a candle flame or jyot, but as sikhs, we use the dhun of gurmantar, tikuti, focus between brows, navel..etc.. I've learned that it is trying to find the right jugti that suits each of us according to how much devotion and bairaag we have.
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    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBBD86952A2239E79 There is a video series associated with this document which explains the principles in more detail. Would highly recommend people watch it. I can see some of the key deep inner teachings of sikhi shinning through. Waheguru. Now beginning to appreciate why this guy was friends with Sant Baba Waryam Singh and invited on stage to address the sangat. Does anyone have any of his books in PDF format that they are willing to share?
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