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    Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism

    In my humble, but confident opinion, . this pangtee is explained out of context from the original verse. : The verse can be discussed and deciphered further if anyone wishes to do so. I'd be happy to add further., (although i won't be back on forum for a while) Just reminding myself with the older responses from 2015 (page 1) Below is the verse, .. and it's worth looking at it carefully (very carefully) and pondering over a few questions that I raised and asked myself. (at the end-below) ਮਃ ੧ ॥ Mėhlā 1. First Mehl: ਵਾਇਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਨਚਨਿ ਗੁਰ ॥ vāin cẖele nacẖan gur. The disciples play the music, and the gurus dance. ਪੈਰ ਹਲਾਇਨਿ ਫੇਰਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਸਿਰ ॥ Pair halāin ferniĥ sir. They move their feet and roll their heads. ਉਡਿ ਉਡਿ ਰਾਵਾ ਝਾਟੈ ਪਾਇ ॥ Ud ud rāvā jẖātai pāe. The dust flies and falls upon their hair. ਵੇਖੈ ਲੋਕੁ ਹਸੈ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ vekẖai lok hasai gẖar jāe. Beholding them, the people laugh, and then go home. ਰੋਟੀਆ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਪੂਰਹਿ ਤਾਲ ॥ Rotīā kāraṇ pūrėh ṯāl. They beat the drums for the sake of bread. ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾੜਹਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥ Āp pacẖẖāṛėh ḏẖarṯī nāl. They throw themselves upon the ground. ਗਾਵਨਿ ਗੋਪੀਆ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ॥ Gāvan gopīā gāvan kānĥ. They sing of the milk-maids, they sing of the Krishnas. ਗਾਵਨਿ ਸੀਤਾ ਰਾਜੇ ਰਾਮ ॥ Gāvan sīṯā rāje rām. They sing of Sitas, and Ramas and kings. ਨਿਰਭਉ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ॥ Nirbẖao nirankār sacẖ nām. The Lord is fearless and formless; His Name is True. ਜਾ ਕਾ ਕੀਆ ਸਗਲ ਜਹਾਨੁ ॥ Jā kā kīā sagal jahān. The entire universe is His Creation. ਸੇਵਕ ਸੇਵਹਿ ਕਰਮਿ ਚੜਾਉ ॥ Sevak sevėh karam cẖaṛāo. Those servants, whose destiny is awakened, serve the Lord. ਭਿੰਨੀ ਰੈਣਿ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਮਨਿ ਚਾਉ ॥ Bẖinnī raiṇ jinĥā man cẖāo. The night of their lives is cool with dew; their minds are filled with love for the Lord. ਸਿਖੀ ਸਿਖਿਆ ਗੁਰ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥ Sikẖī sikẖiā gur vīcẖār. Contemplating the Guru, I have been taught these teachings; ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮਿ ਲਘਾਏ ਪਾਰਿ ॥ Naḏrī karam lagẖāe pār. granting His Grace, He carries His servants across. ਕੋਲੂ ਚਰਖਾ ਚਕੀ ਚਕੁ ॥ Kolū cẖarkẖā cẖakī cẖak. The oil-press, the spinning wheel, the grinding stones, the potter's wheel, ਥਲ ਵਾਰੋਲੇ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਨੰਤੁ ॥ Thal vārole bahuṯ ananṯ. the numerous, countless whirlwinds in the desert, ਲਾਟੂ ਮਾਧਾਣੀਆ ਅਨਗਾਹ ॥ Lātū māḏẖāṇīā angāh. the spinning tops, the churning sticks, the threshers, ਪੰਖੀ ਭਉਦੀਆ ਲੈਨਿ ਨ ਸਾਹ ॥ Pankẖī bẖauḏīā lain na sāh. the breathless tumblings of the birds, ਸੂਐ ਚਾੜਿ ਭਵਾਈਅਹਿ ਜੰਤ ॥ Sūai cẖāṛ bẖavāīah janṯ. and the men moving round and round on spindles - ਨਾਨਕ ਭਉਦਿਆ ਗਣਤ ਨ ਅੰਤ ॥ Nānak bẖauḏiā gaṇaṯ na anṯ. O Nanak, the tumblers are countless and endless. ਬੰਧਨ ਬੰਧਿ ਭਵਾਏ ਸੋਇ ॥ Banḏẖan banḏẖ bẖavāe soe. The Lord binds us in bondage - so do we spin around. ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ Paiai kiraṯ nacẖai sabẖ koe. According to their actions, so do all people dance. ਨਚਿ ਨਚਿ ਹਸਹਿ ਚਲਹਿ ਸੇ ਰੋਇ ॥ Nacẖ nacẖ hasėh cẖalėh se roe. Those who dance and dance and laugh, shall weep on their ultimate departure. ਉਡਿ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਸਿਧ ਨ ਹੋਹਿ ॥ Ud na jāhī siḏẖ na hohi. They do not fly to the heavens, nor do they become Siddhas. ਨਚਣੁ ਕੁਦਣੁ ਮਨ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ ॥ Nacẖaṇ kuḏaṇ man kā cẖāo. They dance and jump around on the urgings of their minds. ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮਨਿ ਭਉ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਉ ॥੨॥ Nānak jinĥ man bẖao ṯinĥā man bẖāo. ||2|| O Nanak, those whose minds are filled with the Fear of God, have the love of God in their minds as well. ||2|| QUESTIONS 1) For what reasons and what "Intentions" is the dancing referring to? It describes a group of people that have a name. However, are these group of people imitating another bunch of people? ...maybe a a group that does something similar with different intention and as an act of serving / praising the lord? 2) Are they serving the lord with their dancing or are they serving their own maya hunger? " (clue is "Rotīā kāraṇ pūrėh ṯāl.") 3) The shabad continues to describe how other people dance with the daily sounds of grinding stones, the potter's wheel, oil-press..etc.. This is referring to people that are doing the work of karams as per hukam, but it's not their physical body that is dancing. They ARE dancing in harmony whilst doing Kirat. REMEMBER- DANCING is expression combined with repetition, to the tempo of repeating beat or rhythm. I 4) Can we see that there 2 groups of people described as dancing. One's dancing in display for intentions and fulfillment of maya hunger and the other's dancing internally whilst doing bhog of daily karams.... These karams are as per hukam and help contribute to the kirat. ਬੰਧਨ ਬੰਧਿ ਭਵਾਏ ਸੋਇ ॥ Banḏẖan banḏẖ bẖavāe soe. The Lord binds us in bondage - so do we spin around. ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ ॥ Paiai kiraṯ nacẖai sabẖ koe. According to their actions, so do all people dance. The above describes how we all dance, but it's the "how" and as per "kirat" that's important here. Kirat karna, Vand shakna and naam japna CAN ALL be done simultaneously in the form of dance(Yes, they can!) The real significance of bhangra moves have a lot of meanings to them; They are about activities whilst doing kirat (working in farms/fields) , there are moves that mimic animals of the pastures, the gadda(tractor), preparing soil, sowing seeds... reaping the grain..cutting the corn....and many more You need to think of these bhangra moves and music, minus the polluting lyrics that have infiltrated this traditional folk dance. The bani above says" ਪਇਐ ਕਿਰਤਿ ਨਚੈ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਇ "According to their actions, so do all people dance. and the lines preceding gave details of the different intentions. Those who ਨਚਿ ਨਚਿ ਹਸਹਿ, (Nacẖ nacẖ hasėh) and will be ਚਲਹਿ ਸੇ ਰੋਇ are the one's that danced for the physical dehi's intentions. The shabad addresses a few main points directly that characterize different dancing, ...The "What or Who is dancing? and also the Who is one dancing to? Is it to EGO of maya, or is it to the Truth of the Niranankar. This all depends on where you consciousness is attached and what your intentions are. It indirectly addresses EGO, since the shabad never mentions haumai or ahankar, but EGO is the reason of why One's body dances for intentions of maya, whereas, the other's inner soul dances in harmony whilst doing bhog of it's karams whilst doing sift salah of Satguru (HUKAM) ememeber what Naamdev told Trilochan about printing designs on the sheets whilst he was internally attached to the Lord. ........... ਹਾਥ ਪਾਉ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਚੀਤੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੨੧੩॥ Hāth pāo kar kām sabẖ cẖīṯ niranjan nāl. ||213|| With your hands and feet, do all your work, but let your consciousness remain with the Immaculate Lord. ||213|| Then, why would dancing be a problem if consciousness is NOT on 5 chor, but on Niranjan. We've been foolishly misled to associate all dancing with nowadays connections to kaam, lust and sexual innuendos. This is because of the lyrics and motives they use to market the dances and songs. Sacred dancing has existed in almost every ancient civilization. The different variants and forms of worship have to be appreciated from all these cultures to understand the meanings of unison and harmony. The arti itself is a representation of the divine cosmic dance that has existed since the beginning and that will continue to do so.
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    The idea of evolution is better expressed in the Cycle of Rebirth. After going through 84 Lakh Species, the Soul is born as a Human Being. After the Soul s born into Human form, it no longer evolved materially, rather it must evolve spiritually and transcend to the level of divinity. Shri Aurobindo Ghosh, expressed this idea many many years ago. Evolutionary philosophy Sri Aurobindo argues that humankind is not the last rung in the evolutionary scale, but can evolve spirituallybeyond its current limitations to a state of spiritual and supramental existence. This evolutionary existence he called a “Divine life on Earth”, characterized by a spiritualized, supramental, truth-consciousness-oriented humanity. Process of creation and evolution He speaks of two central movements in the process of creation: an involution of consciousness from an original omnipresent Reality, manifesting a universe of forms, including matter; and an evolution of those material forms in creation upward toward life, mind, and spirit, reconnecting to their spiritual source. It is also a process of evolution https://sannebruijne.com/sri-aurobindo-evolutionary-philosophy/
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    kaam Lust

    Not always true. The excess energy can also be dissipated via the Anger/Ego passages. We have to be aware of other exhaust passages too, along with the sexual one. If we start discussing those passages, then we will go off-topic. We can discuss them in some other topic. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Old saroop of Sri Dasam Granth Saab jee found at a historic place which was purified by Sri Satguru jee (Sixth Master)'s feet. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Today is Pooranmashi (Full moon night) and Birthday of Hanumaan jee. Dhan Guru Nanak........toon hee Nirankaar Bhul chuk maaf
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    “You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming? That’s where I’ll always love you. That’s where I’ll be waiting.” Tinkerbell to Peter Pan. Makes you wonder how many people know, and ask how they know...even at times and in cultures which shun the mystical
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    I traced the sakhi to the Suraj Prakash, its on page 304 - it says in the beginning you should stay away from two of them http://www.ik13.com/PDFS/Raas5.pdf
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    ~ Nanak Shah Fakir-Review~

    They have blurred Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji out and portraying him in light form in the revised version. Think I preferred the original.
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    ^ All emotions become transformed into higher levels, more purified levels. I have noticed this. The way to do it is to feel that emotion in the presence of God. So first work on feeling the presence of God around you and then whenever you feel that emotion coming, then bring the presence of God there and feel that emotion as clearly and purely as possible. You may notice after a while of doing this that that emotion has started transforming. It's quality is changing. It's becoming a higher quality emotion.
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    Dear Kiran Kaur ji, All those experiences are normal. They will go away by themselves when it is time for them to go away. Also, when you focus, try not to focus with too much pressure, just with a relaxed gaze. If the pressure happens by itself, it is ok. No need to worry about any of this. But please don't stop meditating.
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    The Arabic word "Hadrat" or "Hadhrat" is pronounced as "Hazrat" in Urdu/Persian. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Panjabi Vocabulary Builder Thread

    ਖਟਾਖਟ - Noisy Bhul chuk maaf
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    kaam Lust

    A Buddhist monk gives the answer
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    Panjabi Vocabulary Builder Thread

    ਤਬਕ - Sky, Heaven, Sphere Bhul chuk maaf
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    Hand of God saves a Jatt

    Gopi Chand jee and Bharthari jee (disciples of the famous Jogi, Gorakh Nath jee) came to meet Sri Satguru jee (First Master) at a place in Malwa (Punjab). Over there, a Jatt made an inappropriate comment about Jogis. Gopi Chand jee decided to annihilate the jatt by the power of his gaze. Please listen to Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale on how master will save this Jatt. Please start listening at 24:40 min: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Sant_Giani_Inderjeet_Singh_(Raqbe_wale)/Sri_Gurpartap_Sooraj_Parkash_Katha/05_Sri_Guru_Arjan_Dev_Ji/Giani.Inderjeet.Singh.(Raqbe.wale)--Sooraj.Parkash.Katha.-.Ras.04.Adhyai.35.-.Chandu.Di.Nooh.-.1995-04-20.mp3 Bhul chuk maaf
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    The Queen called the colourful head jester (thats the word I couldnt think of these past few days) immediately to her presence She held him closely to her chest and kissed him passionately (20) When the King removed the powder from his eyes and began to look around The Queen had by that time enjoyed her encounter with the jester and bade him leave (21) The end of this Charitar.
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    ਮਤਸਤੁਆ ਫਲਾਨੰ The one who broadens the intellect Bhul chuk maaf
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    Live Amrit Vela Simran

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1680727045306248&id=240061382706162 http://www.sikhnet.com/radio/channel56 Join us for the next week, starting this Thursday till next Thursday 1:00 to 4:00 am PST at Fremont Gurudwara, you can also tune in live at http://www.sikhnet.com/radio/channel56
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    Panjabi Vocabulary Builder Thread

    Has anyone ever heard (or seen) this word before? ਲਕਰਪਰਾ It means recycle. Is it pronounced as ਲਕਰ + ਪਰਾ or ਲਕ + ਰਪਰਾ? Bhul chuk maaf
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    Also, there is mention of Mermaids in Ramayan, which could be classified as intermediates. It is possible that many of these intermediates did exist, but gradually became extinct as time went on. The absence of intermediates (currently) cannot be used to reject the theory of evolution. Bhul chuk maaf
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    ANG 1364 ਲਖ ਘਾਟੀਂ ਊਂਚੌ ਘਨੋ ਚੰਚਲ ਚੀਤ ਬਿਹਾਲ ॥ Climbing thousands of steep hillsides, the fickle mind becomes miserable. ਨੀਚ ਕੀਚ ਨਿਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਘਨੀ ਕਰਨੀ ਕਮਲ ਜਮਾਲ ॥੯॥ Look at the humble, lowly mud, O Jamaal: the beautiful lotus grows in it. ||9|| Bhul chuk maaf
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    Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism

    Paaji, the above is the stage of a Brahamgyani. A Brahamgyani is not bound to any maryada - "Brahamgyani bandan tay mukta" For ordinary people, who have not reached that level, maryada is a must. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism

    More information on dance: Bhul chuk maaf
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