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    Solid question. Have a look at some posts in the previous topic below. If still not sure, then ask further questions here. A few key points are that Naam cannot be described to understand it, because it is has to be experienced to understand the connection with Waheguru. Naam is attained with efforts and is not automatically obtained in amrit sanchar or from a master. Second most important question is usually "Why is it necessary to get naam? or "must I attain naam with naam kamayee?" ................Answer to this is, - Naam is important because one will NOT and cannot be free from chaurasi lakh joons, unless you earn your Naam. The Mukhti from chaurasi lakh is the first type of mukthi and gurbani puts a lot of focus into this. Naam is like a primary stage, and only after Naam, can one progress to GurMukh. When one is connected to the words and sound coming from WaheGURU's MUKH, then they are on path of Gurmukh whilst also being Mukht from lakh chaurasi.
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    Is there any Katha on Sarbloh Granth? Is any teeka available on it? Has anyone here read sarbloh granth? Can anyone here provide detail about sarbloh granth? thanx for ur time:)
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    Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Wahguru Ji Ki Fateh! I love books on Indian martial arts, which are quite rare. The following is a list of about a dozen Indian martial arts books I have read. Please kindly post the titles and info of any books you know of. Thanks! The Art of Gatka Fighting - Authored by K. S. Akali in 1936. More sports-like than martial arts-like. Just some soti techniques. Pentra seems incorrect. Gatka: Book 1 - Dance of the Sword - Authored by Nanak Dev Singh Khalsa. First published in the mid 1980s. Kalarippayat - Authored by Dick Luijendijk. Published in 2008. When the Body Becomes All Eyes: Paradigms, Discourses and Practices of Power in Kalarippayattu, a South Indian Martial Art - Authored by Philip Zarilli. Shiv Dhanurveda - The art of ancient Indian archery (covers stances, grips, mantras, etc). Translated by into English by Dr. B Chakravarti in 2001. Agni Purana - One of the 18 purans. Contains a dhanurveda section. Mallapurana - Manual on Indian wrestling. Read it in PDF format a little while back. I believe it was authored in the first half of the 20th century. Lathi Shiksha - Illustrated quarterstaff manual. Possibly written by and for Hindu nationalists. Brought it back in 2000 from an old bookshop in India. Judging from the illustration style and the old fragile paper, possibly from the 1940s or 50s. The Fighting Traditions And Fighting Arts Of The Traditional Sikh Warriors - The Beloved of Guru Gobind Singh Ji - The Akali Nihangs - Authored by Nidar Singh on Chatka Gatka. Shastar vidya - Short booklet authored by Baba Gian Singh. Mostly warrior advice and martial bani from Dasam Granth. Some dagger techniques towards the end. Published by Budha Dal. Shastra vidya: The Ancient Indian Martial Art of the Hindu Kshatriyas - Authored by Harjit Singh Sagoo, 2017. Illustrated and backed by textual evidence. Techniques of the bhindipala, asi, shakti, dhanush, gada, paash, etc.
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    WOW THAT IS AWESOME,,, i have never seen or heard that before, thanks for sharing sat...
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    http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio go to Gyani Sher Singh folder. Gyani Ji has started katha of Sri Sarbloh.
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    Tvaprasad, if you have those genuine experiences then congrats. Those signs usually are the sign of the breakdown of deh adaas and the darshan of your NIj saroop or atma. Eventually afterwards you receive sakhat gian or brahm gian
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    These definitely seem like good signs based on what Gurbani says. I would recommend that you start a sehaj path of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 1 page per day. If you dont know Gurmukhi, start off with the English Translations. All these signs are very clearly mentioned, plus you will get your questions answered straight from the Guru. Its very powerful and amazing, when you are on a certain ang, and the relevant queries of mind are mentioned by Guru Sahib. Panktis that come to my mind are: Jo Nar Dukh Meh Dukh Nai Mane... ( not feeling dukh during dukh...) Mera Mann Loche Darshan Ke Tayi... ( intensse desire for darshan of waheguru) Nindya ustat tyagni ...( no effect of compliment & insults)
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    Since the past few days I feel less bothered by hot and cold, pain and pleasure, compliments and insults. I also feel love for everyone intensely whether they criticise me or compliment me. I feel very happy and positive but i m also gripped by intense desire to have darshan of waheguru. Does anyone know my situation or what could be happening, m I on the right track? Can anyone clear these doubts of mine. Thanks for ur time.
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    PLEASE WAIT FOR THE PICS TO LOAD - WORTH THE WAIT The Sword of the Khalsa is a magnificently built weapon. The blade of this unique Siri Sahib is made of Damascus steel. The hilt or handgrip is decorated with white gold and diamonds. It has a portrait of the 10th Guru, Guru Gobind Singh forged in yellow gold and the embellished handle of solid jade and white gold is in the shape of Guru Gobind Singh’s hawk. The stainless steel scabbard, the sheath that covers the blade, has the entire text of the 10th Master's Jaap Sahib laser-etched in microtype. The Jaap Sahib contains over 3,550 words. Also on the scabbard, spaced evenly apart, are miniature vignettes from the Master's life carved in yellow gold. There are six vignettes, three on the back and three on the front. Each vignette is set off with white gold, and precious stones (diamonds and amethysts). Vignette 1 - Birth, Cosmic Virtue Vignette 2 - Sacrifice - Guru Teg Bahadhur head brought to Guru Gobind Singh. Vignette 3 - The Amrit Ceremony, birth of the Khalsa Vignette 4 - Younger Sons of Guru Gobind Singh being bricked alive. Vignette 5 - The Forty Liberated Ones Vignette 6 - Older Sons of Guru Gobind Singh fighting their last battle
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    I was just watching a live broadcast on the Shri Bhucho Sahib youtube channel and noticed that after the ardas at around 6:15pm local time they play instruments resembling the panch shabad in unison (anhad shabad). Go to time index 17:15 to listen
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    Bro, consumption of Amrit is not a humongous task, especially for someone like you, who is already doing plenty of Naam Simran. Are you addicted to any intoxicant? If not, then you should have no problem. Nitnem takes approximately 1.5 hr, which can be done easily. Remember, as long as you don't commit any one of the cardinal sins (mentioned below), you will not become an outcast (Patit). Any other infractions can be easily forgiven by Sri Satguru jee. 4 cardinal sins (Nihang Maryada): Hukka – Consumption of tobacco in any form Hajamat – Killing hair (by any means) from any part of the body Halalo – Consumption of halal meat in any form Haraam – Any form of sexual activity, outside of marriage Bhul chuk maaf
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    And you think that writing cannot be manipulated? Did you know that in Sri gur partap Suraj Granth there is no mention of giving Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji getting the gur gaddi. Go ahead and try to find it but you won't. There is a Sri gur partap Suraj Granth in I think it's Nepal or someplace like that sant hari Singh randhawa vale knows where. In that Granth there is writings about giving gaadi to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sri gur partaap Suraj Granth also didn't write about giving Amrit to bibi's so do you believe that as well? Did you know that kavi Ji had 4 writers helping him with Sri gur partap Suraj Granth. They were supplied by the raja of I think was it nabha or patiala and those writers were corrupted by the British. In Sri gur partap Suraj Granth there are writings that write guru Ji had earings and did opium etc. These type of things were written by the 4 writers who were helping kavi Ji. So was the Raag Mala thing. I have gotten this info from true mahapurkhs who I met who have seen visions. Another thing that proves that kavi Ji does believe in Raag Mala. Kavi Ji was a student of head granthi of harimander sahib and jathedar of Damdami Taksal Gyani Sant Singh Ji. Now you tell me would gyani sant Singh teach kavi Ji Raag Mala is not gurbani and then teach his successor that it is gurbani? Regarding bhai randhir Singh I respect him cause in taksali books and I think it was in sant gyani kartar Singh Ji bhindranvale's book that said bhai sahib later on did start believing in Raag Mala like how bhai vir Singh later on started believing in Raag Mala. I know no akj will believe me but I trust the taksal and Sants who did write it. I bet you won't believe anything I write here I'm just writing what I have learnt, read, and heard in my life.
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    Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanksar Kaleran and Lord Yeshua Masih Sometime in 1944, a Sikh, Mr. Balwant Singh was crying desperately outside Nanaksar Thath, Kaleran. Baba Narinder Singh, (father of Brigadier Partap Singh Jaspal) happened to pass by and asked him the reason for his crying. Mr. Balwant Singh replied that he was Subedar in Indian Army during the World War II in Italy. During the war, Subedar Balwant Singh was asked to lead a patrol around the enemy battle lines for gathering information about their movement. Once inside the enemy battle lines, their patrol was ambushed, resulting in the death of all members of his group, except he and another soldier. However, they ran too deep into the enemy battle lines, causing them to lose their way, and finally hid behind a hill. While hiding in the enemy area, they ate the remaining emergency food that they had. They were stranded for two days, worried about their safety. Subedar Balwant Singh had a darshan of Baba Nand Singh Ji once before he left India for war. Somehow, he took off his shoes and did a heart-rending prayer at the Lotus Feet of Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj,”Since you are considered the form of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj, please come and help us in this dire situation.” His fellow soldier also took off his shoes and joined the prayer. Within an hour and half, an old white Christian woman came, and called them out. She told them that she brought food and water for them. When they came out, they saw that she was carrying a big tiffin and water for them. They ate the food to their full capacity. Thereafter, they asked, “Mother, how do know about us and our situation?” The woman told them that she lived in a nearby village, and she has worshipped her Lord Isah Masih for the last 40 years. While sleeping, she had a vision of her Lord, which caused her to be happy and blissful. In an instant, Lord Isah Masih’s image transformed into an old holy man, in white clothing, and then backs to His original image. Lord Masih with love and affection commanded her, “Two of our devotees are hiding nearby and starving. Take whatever you have at home and feed them. Bring them home and tomorrow night, escort them to their battle lines safely.” Subedar Balwant Singh matched her description of holy man to that of Baba Nand Singhi Ji, and understood that this was all Baba Nand Singh Ji’s game, and was filled with gratitude. The woman brought both soldiers home, and served them with the utmost respect. At night, she guided them to their battle lines. Before her departure, Subedar Balwant Singh asked her, “Mother, are you not scared?” She replied, “What fear, when my Lord Isah and your Baba Nand Singh’s Ji are with us!” The news of their miraculous survival spread in the platoon. As per the standard procedures, they narrated the whole incident to the command authorities, which was then recorded by the army liaison and telexed to the Punjab government. A retired official who was with the same platoon and in the Punjab government later confirmed this fact. [summary of Sakhi narrated by Brigadier Partap Singh Jaspal]
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    Actually, Baba Miah Singh Ji maharaj was gurubhai of baba isher singh ji ... means they were both students of baba nand singh maharaj.
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    from baba ishar singh ji there are now numerous nanaksar sants. Baba Amar Singh Ji Baba Miah Singh Ji Baba Kundan Singh Ji Baba Gurdev Singh Ji Baba Nahr Singh Ji
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    Hello, I've experienced that pressure that you speak of during meditation. It's a very nice feeling. I recommend that you get a physical done checking your BP and cholesterol etc. Everything is probably fine but it's smart to rule possible health causes b/c you could have spiritual stuff happening at the same time as a health issue. If the tests come out fine, than just follow the general rule which is 'let whatever is happening happen, stay detached, and keep on keeping on with the simran'.
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    The border does make things difficult, but when the Sikhs had the chance to do anything, they didn't. Neither has the indian govt done anything to help. Can you beleive that there are 6 border villages in Pakistan that have historic gurdwaras in them, the most famous one "Gurdwara Kartarpur Sahib" antim place of Guru Nanak Dev ji, yet the Sikhs didn't do anything to hold those villages in 1947 when they could easily have done so, or even after in the 65 and 71 wars. The SGPC asked the indian go vt to arrange an exchange of land, measuring the same from Indian panjab for these 6 villages, but the indian govt was not interested. % of those gurdwaras have rotted to dust, as did Kartarpur Sahib uuntil the pakistan govt decided it could be renovated for Sikh tourism purposes. The border hasn;t helped but neither have the Sikhs. Coming onto forced conversions of Pakistani Sikh girls, the Sikhs in indian Panjab need to be more aggressive and operate a quid pro quo policy.
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    Frankincense is also believed to be very powerful, it is known to improve depressive moods.
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    https://www.pothiseva.net/single-post/2016/12/14/Damdama-Sahib-as-a-centre-for-the-creation-of-Gurmukhi-manuscripts The following is an excerpt from Giani Balwant Singh Kothaguru's book on the Nirmala Sikhs under the section "Damdami Gurmukhi Likhaareeaa Di Taksal" The Damdami School of Gurmukhi Calligraphy (from Nirmal Panth Di Gaurav Gatha – Giani Balwant Singh Kotha Guru) A late 19th century lithographed Guru Granth Sahib which has the script known as "Damdami", developed and perfected by the scribes of Damdama Sahib. Guru Ki Kanshi (Damdama Sahib, Bathinda) was the centre of Gurbani Calligraphy alongside the teaching of Gurbani Santhia and Arth. Guru Gobind Singh Ji started the tradition of ‘Likhaee’ in Guru Kanshi with the writing of the Damdami Bir. Although the calligraphy of Gurmukhi Granths took place at many other places aswell, the writing style of Damdami Gurmukhi was known as uniquely elegant and clear. The training to become a ‘Likhari’ i.e. a calligrapher was all given at Guru Ki Kanshi. The techniques of writing each Gurmukhi letter individually in the Damdami Script were expertly taught to the students. In particular the way of looping and forming the letters in the Damdami style to make them stand out from other Gurmukhi scripts. For example: Oorra = in the shape of a peacock’s egg Airraa = in shape of a horse’s bridle Haaha = in the shape of a drum barrel Kakkaa = in the shape of a pied wagtail’s eye In this manner each letter was taught in a specific way. The letters of the Damdami Script were so clear that readers had no difficulties in identifying them due to their uniformity and structure. Kashmiri paper was used by the Damdami calligraphers. To make the paper useable, it was first burnished using the back of shells, which made the paper smooth enough to write upon. To make sure that the writing was in straight lines, a simple but clever method was used. A wooden frame would be made with string running across it, the same width apart as would be needed for lines to write on. On those frames 10-15 sheets would be placed and weight would be applied on top. Due to the weight, an impression of the lines would form onto the paper. The Damdami calligraphers also had methods to deal with ink going through pages, or spelling mistakes. A fixed amount of crushed shells and glue were mixed with water and placed in a ‘sippi’ for some time. Once ready this would be spread over the spelling mistake (similar to modern Tipp-ex). After this was dry, it was possible to write over the mistake. Correction was also made utilizing turmeric, which formed a yellow correction mixture. Ink was prepared in the Guru Ki Kanshi itself rather then brought from outside. Red Inks were also used made using mercuric sulphide/cinnabar. In Granths such as Dasam Granth Sahib, where they were used for titles, numbers, endings of chapters etc., however this was not used in Adi Guru Granth Sahib manuscripts. The skill of binding Sri Guru Granth Sahib volumes was taught at Guru Ki Kanshi. Due to Guru Granth Sahib being a large volume, to make sure Angs did not fall out of the Saroop, endbands were sewn into the Saroop to make the binding extra strong. Alongside this Chola Sahibs were also made to measure, which helped preserve the binding and give the Granth a long life. Ramala Sahibs were sewn to size and hand made stitching for decoration was also done here. Chaur Sahibs made from peacock feathers were a speciality of Guru Ki Kanshi. Sant Isher Singh ‘Munishar’ of Bunga Mastuana, (born at village BhaiRupa, a great scholar of Vedanta) was a famed for his skill of crafting these Chaur Sahibs which he donated to each Gurdwara in the vicinity of Damdama Sahib. It was astonishing seeing the range of activities not only taking place at Guru Kanshi, but also being taught. All activities such as teaching the manner of writing the Damdami script, making ink, making ‘hartaal’ (a substance with similar use to tipex), making Chaur Sahib, preparing, sizing and burnishing paper, making Rumala Sahibs, preparing the binding of Saroops, were of a higher level of quality then the top education centres of the time such as Vikramshila, Takshila, Varanasi etc. The Nirmala saints played an integral role in keeping Gurbani calligraphy alive. In those times where the Saints taught the pronunciation and exegesis of Scripture, they taught calligraphy alongside. Those who created original works were known as ‘Lekhak’ and those who made copies of these original works were known as ‘Likaris’. These likharis were great Saints, who were respected far and wide for their skill. Some famous Likharis: 1) Tapo-Nidhi Swami Bhagat Singh wrote 5 Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 2) Sant Wadhawa Singh of Lehra Khana (Bathinda) wrote 5 Saroops of Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Sant Wadhawa Singh Ji used to write make Gutkas of Jap Ji, Sukhmani and other Banis and hand them out to the congregation. 3) Sant Mahant Hira Singh of Likhari Bunga (Damdama Sahib) was famed for his clear and beautiful calligraphy. When the process of printing Gurbani first started, out of all the different scripts (i.e. Damdami, Kashmiri, Amritsari), the Damdami script was chosen, and Sant Hira Singh’s written letters were used to base their printing on. 4) Sant Haiba Singh Gurusar Batindha 5) Sant Dal Singh Bhucho Kala 6) Sant Narain Singh Giani Sekhwa Wale 7) Mahant Vir Singh Daudhar 8) Mahant Gurbakash Singh of Bunga Likharia Damdama Sahib 9) Pandit Shyam Singh Mangwal 10) Sant Bala Singh Khadur Sahib 11) Pandit Nanu Singh 12) Mahant Jai Singh Dera Sada Singh 13) Sant Bhoop Singh 14) Sant Naudh Singh BhaiRupa 15) Mahant Mahna Singh BhaiRupa 16) Sant Aghar Singh Tutomazara 17) Mahant Pratap Singh Dera Chaunk BabaSahib Amritsar 18) Sant Bhagwan Singh Giani Dera Manuke
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    Lavender incense sticks might help you to get a better sleep. Quote The researchers found that lavender increased slow-wave sleep, the very deep slumber in which the heartbeat slows and muscles relax. During this phase, the brain is thought to organize memory, as well. Unquote [1] [1] - http://www.prevention.com/mind-body/natural-remedies/how-lavender-can-help-you-sleep Bhul chuk maaf
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    wjkk wjkf Bro, recite "Rakheya de Shabad" before you sleep. Also, recite Sri Kirtan Sohila Sahib jee before sleeping. Recite them with full concentration and love. If your situation does not improve, then recite them multiple times. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Please listen to Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale providing information on Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee. @chatanga1 - The original Granth was in Sanskirt. Please start listening after 15:45 min: http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Sant_Giani_Inderjeet_Singh_(Raqbe_wale)/Sri_Gurpartap_Sooraj_Parkash_Katha/05_Sri_Guru_Arjan_Dev_Ji/Giani.Inderjeet.Singh.(Raqbe.wale)--Sooraj.Parkash.Katha.-.Ras.02.Adhyai.34.-.Santokhsar.Vicho.Jogi.Nikliya.-.1994-07-23.mp3 Bhul chuk maaf
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    Please listen to Sriman 108 Gyani Mohan Singh jee Bhindranwale https://kam1825.podbean.com/e/charitars-and-nindaks/ Bhul chuk maaf
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    I don't know. There are so many manuscripts around India's libraries. So possibly.
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    GHANI KHAN and his brother Nabi Khan, Pathan horse dealers of Machhivara in present day Ludhiana district of the Punjab, were admirers of Guru Gobind Singh whom they had visited at Anandpur and to whom they had sold many good animals. When they learnt that, travelling in a lonely state after the battle of Chamkaur (1705), the Guru had come to Machhivara, they at once turned out to meet him and offered their services. They provided him with a blue coloured dress and carried him out of Machhivara in a palanquin disguised as a Muslim divine. They declared him to be Uchch da Pir, the holy man of Uchch, an old seat of Muslim saints in south-west Punjab. They escorted him thus up to Hehrari, a village near Raikot in Ludhiana district, where a group of Sikhs relieved them. The Guru dismissed Ghani Khan and Nabi Khan with his blessings and a hukamnama meant to be a letter of commendation which was reverently preserved by their descendants. The family migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Their house in Machhivara is now a gurudwara known as Gurdwara Uchch da Pir. References : Sikh Encylopaedia 1. Kuir Singh, Gurbilas Patshahi 10. Patiala, 1968 2. Padam, Piara Singh, and Giani Garja Singh, eds. Guru klan Sakhian. Patiala, 1986 3. Macauliffe, Max Arthur, The. Sikh Religion. Oxford, 1909 Below: Zahoor Ahmed Khan, the descendant of Ghani Khan and Nabhi Khan who once assisted Guru Gobind Singh Ji in escaping the Mughal forces, here shows a hukamnana bestowed upon his ancestors by Guru Sahib Ji.
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    This is from an old saroop of Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth Sahib on PDL. Charitar 325 is not listed in this granth. On my phone app, the story of the "Sultan" is listed as 326, whereas Bindra has listed it as 325. http://www.panjabdigilib.org/webuser/searches/displayPageContent.jsp?ID=157&page=15&CategoryID=3&pagetype=0&Searched=Dasam
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    Great news. Please read below Quote SikhNet.com, the world’s premier Sikh website, has just released its latest app designed to do just that. The SikhNet Sri Guru Granth Sahib Katha App allows people to learn and understand the meaning of Gurbani from Siri Guru Granth Sahib using this easy to use audio book style app. Currently featuring over 600 hours of Gurbani Katha in Punjabi by Giani Thakur Singh and Giani Harbhajan Singh USA. With plans to add additional Katha audio to the app in later releases. Unquote[1] [1] - http://www.sikhnet.com/news/siri-guru-granth-sahib-katha-app Bhul chuk maaf
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    Hukam of Sri Satguru jee (Tenth Master) only pertains specifically to people who are direct descendants of the First three Satgurus (i.e descendants of Baba Lakhmi Chand jee, Baba Dassu jee, Baba Dattu jee, Baba Mohan jee and Baba Mohri jee). It does not apply to all Bedis, Trehans and Bhallas. Bhul chuk maaf
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    Sir, its not only HIndu and Sikh girls, its Christian, Its Black, It's While, Chinese girls its all over the world.. They are attacking not only us but everyone in general.. they even attack their own. This is why their women are kept inside houses and covered up. The problem is with their men, thier ideaology, religion and culture. Its is what they are taught Kill them, take them as sex slaves or charge them tax for being non moslem. No other culture or religion teaches this, attack people that don't belong not of its own religion.. only islam does that. I hope your girls are wise and stay safe. I will stand by Sikhs any day
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    Hello :), I saw this topic & I thought I could contribute a little for academic interest. Yes descendents for atleast Guru Angad Dev ji (Bhai Lehna Trehan) exist. I am one.In brief I have a very average life. I am attaching an obituary to my great grandfather published in the Lahore Tribune on 27 Feb 1947. The second one is offered by my grandfather & his elder brother. The Bawa prefix is used by men decended from the first 3 gurus.Atleast we do not write our names that way any more. To throw some light on religious practices in my family's case (though I personally am not deeply religious,but many in my family are) ,it's a blend of Gurudwaras & Temples.Ex: customs associated Births,Marriages & Death usually involve involvement of both a Gurudwara & Hindu Temples & religious teachers from both faiths though it's biased heavily towards the Gurudwara. To further explain,the naamkaran of both me & my son was done at a Gurudwara.And my marriage and that of my father happened following simple Hindu customs & a Gurudwara was visited. Hope this helps a little.
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    Sant Teja Singh Ji Gursagar Mastuana & Baru Sahib, May 14, https://www.sikhnet.com/news/1st-nanakian-global-envoy-sant-teja-singh-ji
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    hello all, I'd really appreciate if i could get some help in identifying some old handwritten scriptures, these were handed down to me from my grandmother, i had been an atheist all my life, but now I'm starting to accept god or some higher power and I've been studying various religions, including Sikhism. and then these old scriptures came to my mind, these seem to be handwritten in Gurumukhi script, though i cant read or understand them, i'd really appreciate if anyone on this forum would help me in understanding what these books really are, their significance, historical & religious value Thank you in advance Peter//
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    I hope it's better than the usual indian serial rubbish they put out. Even the latest edition of Mahabharat was so annoying to watch because of its production.
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    Being a moderator just means I moderate content so people don't use foul or abusive language. Nothing more than that. Listen. Based on previous experiences with you, I am not convinced that you are interested in any form of debate. You only read what you want to read and don't appear to be willing to understand the view point of the other person..Our approach to debate and study is entirely different, hence I don't think it is fruitfull to discuss anything with you. You have previously written that your purpose of researching old granths is to 'find errors' and smash the arguments of others. Personally I dont find this approach fruitfull and I don't think we've ever had a fruitfull discussion because our premis of debate is too different. If you are interested in why I write the Prem Sumarag Granth is one of the most important books ever written in Sikh history, then ask why I say so. But what you're trying to do is to pull me into a Dasam Granth debate because it appears that the Dasam Granth is all you're interested in. Thanks but no thanks.. I have a lot of friends who dont believe in the Dasam Granth, - we can easily engage in a respectfull debate even though we don't agree, but i've never experienced that to be the case with you... Personally I dont find this fruitfull. You have a very bad tendency of making enemies out of people for no reason , - i've experienced you going onto other websites writing trash about people and me, - why you do so I have no idea... Why talk trash about people just because you disagree with them?? I really don't understand this kind of behaviour and it has nothing to do with charchaa, khoj or vichaar.. I've been to Brussels, Belgium a few times on work visits, and thought of meeting up with you to discuss Sikhi and Gurmat but i'm not sure it would be fruitfull at all as you'll just start a fight for no reason. You put words into my mouth and then start attacking things i've never said. Like above - when did I say it's my absolute fave?? in fact... It would be much better if you participated in this debate by writing what your favorite book is, - instead you just wanna pull people's legs and discuss their opinons because you disagree with them.. You always do this - you don't reply to the topic at hand but rather go for the throat of the members because you believe they are wrong. How does that actually contribute to the topic that people wish to discuss? You've written three posts so far but havent contributed anything at all to discuss the vast and inspiring corpus of Sikhi literature. I've given you credit for in the past, - you actually do raise very valid arguments at times, but your whole approach of aggresive discussion ruins any motivation for me to engage in any dialogue with you. When you make valid points you undermine your arguments by throwing personal attacks along the way.. Why would anyone acutally continue any debate further? At times in the past i've spend hours researching old books to find an answer to one of your arguments, - in some cases it is very interesting stuff you bring forward. But I have no motivation to actually do any vichaar with you afterwards with my findings because you're only interested in smashing people and destryoung arguments - Rather than engaging with texts which is our common heritage..So the arguments you use, I take them and discussed them with other of my well read anti-dasam granth friends to see how they understand these verses and how it fits with their own narrative, and how they relate to my arguments and readings of the very same verses. This is fruitfull. Personally, I dont find your aggresive, competitive and destructive approach that appealing, but others might. So I permit your posts on the forum because other people might want to discuss with you. You are actually very blessed and gifted with your 1) interest in old texts 2) ability to understand the language.. it's just a shame all of these merits are drowned in your aggresive behaviour of attacking people and talking shit about them on other websites... There is no need for this. Now before you begin an aggressive auto-reply attack at me, try to read what I've actually written.
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    Dear Sat Sangat WJKWJKF I was wondering if someone is selling meat for living and in order to that they employ butchers who kill animals lets say chickens, who will earn the bad karma the butcher or the person owning the business, or they will be pardoned because they are doing this for living. Sangat ji please come with your opinions. WJKWJKF
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    Hazoori sikhs are true jungi khalsa unlike most of us Punjabi Sikhs. They've kept shabad guru and shastar guru dear to them.
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    Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh! Dear Sangat, (unsure if this was ever posted on here) I have come across this book written by Nidar Singh back in the 90s, I have seen on another topic the person who posted this used this book to discredit the vidiya of Nidar Singh. This was posted on the internet four years ago..In those four years he has started training students in many other countries. http://www.shastervidiya.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/The-Fighting-Traditions-And-Fighting-Arts-Of.pdf I enjoyed reading this book and learnt a lot about jung vidiya, the terminology used, what certain words mean etc. 'http://www.shastervidiya.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/The-Fighting-Traditions-And-Fighting-Arts-Of.pdf'' (1) Guru Hargobinds duel with Mugls Khan as described by Kavi Santokh Singh Ji . ‘Siri Hargovind keh smukh Hoeh . ‘Bhu mreh pju nahen Kaj hoeh .’ Facing Guru Hargobind ( Mugls Khan said ) . ‘Many have died nothing has been achieved . ‘Abh mor tor ranh hev kral . Avehlokh lokh hrkeh bisal .’ Lets you and me fight a fierce battle . May the people see and be greatly happy . ‘Keh maroh-n aph keh leoh mareh . Tab hoeh har keh jeet kar .’ Either I will be killed or I will kill you . Then will be loss or victory . ‘Gur sunjhu sabhan koh dejh htaeh . Abh khareh pikeh ranh ker da-eh .’ The Guru heard and told every one ( Meaning Akalis) to back off . Now stand back and watch the skills of war . ‘Ooteh T-urk hateh nahen kavh kaleh . Eet Sikh miteh Gur bakh nalh .’ Over their the Muslims backed off fighting not . Over here hearing Gurus word the Sikhs backed off . ‘Arh preh beer donho sdir . Sabh lakeh Pata Baji soh Khan .’ Both warriors were great . Muglskha-n watched carefully the Guru’s archery . (Pta=Pats=sword / Ptkabaji = Swordmanship = Chatka Gatka = total leathal skills of war hence including archery ) . ‘Pikh Guru sang kiniseh bkhanh . Meh chaho-n Kharg koh karn jang .’ Seeing the Guru he said . ‘I wish to fight with a sword . ‘Tum teer tjuh bal adik sangh . Samta nah champ bidya mjar .’ You dispense arrows with great strength . I do not posses equal skills of archery . ‘Badeh marteh hoh prithmeh nihareh . Sunh dharm yudh kee riteh janeh .’ You see first and shoot great arrows .’ Listening to the traditions of righteous battle and understanding . ‘Gur preh utreh tajeh kikkan . Samsher gehee samh sher hath . Guru Ji got of his horse and forsook his bow . In a tiger like hand he took the tiger like sword . ‘Bhu Gurv Puladi badeh satheh . Jaeh lagt loh koh kat-h jaeh .’ Many armours did Guru Ji cut with it . Where ever it fell it cut through iron . ‘Haj narin katan kiya keh bnaeh . Sabh lipteh so-n chamk char . For cutting horse and men what can be said is made . All were adorned with gold and glistened . (The above two lines are difficult to translate even though a transliteration of the above lines can be easily made . But then again are irrelevant to our main object of study meaning Gurus Pentras . Thus when I was taught by my Ustad Ji , who taught from memory . Rather than giving me complete translations of the passages concerned he mainly concentrated on recounting only the portions of the passages actually dealing with the Pentras of battle ) . ‘Krh bamh sath geh mhd dar . Uth Muglskha-n khenchi Kirpan .’ In his left hand (Guru Ji ) held a shield . Dismounting Muglskha-n drew his sword . ‘Geh Sipar pju jabeh savdanh . Bhu lkheh daeh eet oot bchaeh .’ When taking hold of a large shield he was ready . Many techniques did he consider moving this way and that . ‘Ranh riti firteh ch-heh karneh ka-eh . Hoeh bam dahneh karteh nerh .’ Observing the traditions of the battlefield he moved about desiring to kill . Moving left and right coming nearer . ‘Gur smukh aeh chahet so-h perh . Siri Har Govind tabh kehseh taeh-n .’ Coming face to face with the Guru he wished to fight . Siri Guru Hargobind Ji said to him . ‘Sunh Khan jitak bidhya so-h paeh . Sabh kareh dikhavneh ajh aph .’ ‘Listen oh Khan the (Martial) knowledge you have learned . All off it today you show . ( If a warrior claims to posses secret techniques of battle one of the way’s , but not necessarily the best way , to find out is to fight him so he is forced to use them . Guru Ji above first want’s to see what Pentras Muglas Khan has then play his own Pentra .) ‘Bisvas jas keh treh daph . Dal duhneh ker jodha dikhanteh .’ With confidence and gaining praise fight with pride . Soldiers of both armies are watching . ‘Sabh jeet harh as-ah tranteh . Abh prthmeh varh krh leh prharh .’ All are hoping for victory not defeat . Now the first strike you strike . ‘Avlokeh bal ketikh jujar . Sunh dhir sahet-h Gur keh so-h benh .’ Our strengths ( Skill) many warriors are watching .’ Listening patiently to the words of the Guru . ‘Tabh Muglskha-n krh smukh nenh . Chahit prharh nahen davh paeh .’ Then Mugls Khan focused his eyes . He desired to strike but could not see a opening for a technique . ‘Jeh hthohn Kharg tanh leh bchaeh . Krh agar daleh adho kreh .’ If I strike with sword he will save himself . He will put shield in front and block the blow . (Mugls Khan is thinking to himself ) . ‘Hoeh nefil var kush nahen sreheh . Gur savdhan hoeh choferh .’ The technique will be wasted nothing will be gained . The Guru is alert and moving all around . ‘Samsher hath samh shere hereh . Tkh rehoh bhut-h nahen davh paeh .’ Sword in hand like a hunter he (Guru) is stalking . He (Mugls Khan ) is watching for a opening but he can find none . ‘Tabh parhju aneh Aseh koh uthaeh . Oopar jnaeh trh koh parharh .’ Then attacking (Mugls Khan is trying to create an opening for attack ) raises his sword high . Feigning attack too above he delivers a low blow . ‘Gur gaeh koodh ga shoosh var . Pun Kharg sees kee dish chlaee .’ Guru Ji leapt and evaded the blow . Then (Mugls Khan) struck at the Gurus body . ‘Gur Sipar shigar hee krh bchaeh . Teh rokh oopereh hath leeneh .’ Guru Ji with speed blocked the blow on his shield . Taking the blow on it . ‘Geh Kharg aphno var kineh . Pujkeh tareh so-h tehen lagj jaeh .’ Grasping his sword (Guru Ji ) struck his blow . It struck below his arm ( Mughals Khans sword arm .) ‘Bal seht-h bheju es-h bidh sfaeh . Sabh Shashter baster phereh jeh ang .’ With power thus did the sword deal a clean blow . All weapons and clothes on the body . ‘Kat gaeh sakal ekh bar sang . Gan pasreeneh sabh kat deeneh .’ All were cut at once . All the ribs were cut . ‘Jug khand hoeh dahr prneh keen . Sir bhuja seht-h pah ekh khand .’ Cut in two the body fell . Head with arms lay one side . ‘Jug charn jukt duteoh prchand . Imh bheju Kharg sabh kat dareh .’ Legs and feet lay the other side . Thus was the sword wielded all did it cut . Sabooneh teh jimh tarh pareh . Reh gaee akh pasree besal .’ Like wire through soap it cut . His (Mugls Khans ) eyes and ribs lay open . End . Note ~there are many spelling mistakes in the book Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ke fateh
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    Dear All, considering the ignorance visible on this page regarding the Gods, I must say that people who have taken to utilizing the religion to their own benefit, will do so whatever the religion. Be it us, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Judaism etc...etc... Hinduism, being so tolerable, has always been on the receiving end from various quarters and especially by those who translate our dharm granths according to their own understanding which cannot match the original writers. Being the oldest and not being a religion, we do not have any originator. Ours is a way of life. Sikhism has been the closest associated with Sanatan Dharm but after reading this page, it appears the antagonists have finally succeeded in creating a void. Let us not fall for that and let us fight for each other against the dividing forces rather than fighting with each other. Thank you for understanding
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    Paapiman: How do you know they descended from HIndu parents? And we dont really know much about the early sewa panthi's family lineage but I hardly take it they were all recent converts to Sikhi? The sewa panthis did'n start becoming amritdharis untill the 20th century. It's a mentality like yours that has caused so much destruction to Sikh heritage and culture. The Rababis were thrown out of Harimandir Sahib due to not being amritdharis, even though they been serving in the Harimandir Sahib and other Gurdwaras since the time of the Gurus.
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    A teacher asks a student: Why Hindu Law does not permit Second Marriage? The bright student answers: Because as per Indian Constitution Article 20(2) - "No person can be punished twice for the same offence".
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    The Guru was both a patron and a writer himself. Nothing unusual about this though, - many rulers likewise wrote their own litterature as well as being patrons of others. See the writings of Dara Shikoh for instance who translated much and also paid others to translate. Im not sure why it would be easy for others to mistake it as Maharajs writings, if he only commisioned it. Though Maharaja Ranjit Singh patroned the Golden Temple, no one actually mistook it as him being the actual constructor and builder. Rules and guidelines are standardized in poetry (of whatever language) and I think (not sure) that different words are used depending on where in the text they are used. I've only seen the word krit being used in the beginning of a book, - never along the pen name of the poet (where you have kavi in your example). I'll have to check up on how it is used in braj basha. Lekhak, kavi, krit and sometimes even without any title in front of the pen name - i think they were all used but there is probably a logic to where and when they are used. So I take it we both agree that the above verses deal with the number of scribes, and not with the number of authors nor the number of pen names (as manglacharan says). But how do you know he is ignoring it? The fact that Bhai Sahib quotes extensively from different parts of the Dasam Granth surely implies that he had read and studied large parts of the Dasam Granth and therefore came across the Ram, Shyam and Kaal pen names. Yet he still wrote "Saakh Mahala 10" in the headings. In the previous chapters he writes the raag and the mahala (ie. Raag Gauri Mahala 5). There is no change, only continuity. So how do you know he is ignoring them? Difficult - yes. Impossible - no. Your examples with the other Gurus are fine but I dont think we can assume that the reason 6th and 7th patshah did'n compose any bani was due to them being busy being kings. I think there were greater things at play. We know from history that the Guru from an early age had a thorough education in the art of war and poetry as well as learning the languages of Punjabi, Persian, Sanskrit, Hindi and Braj Basha. This also included a thorough study of the litterature of these languages (especially Persian and Sanskrit). The largest parts of the Dasam Granth are the Charitro Pakhyan, Bachitar Natak and Chaubis Avatar. Combined, these probably make up some 80% of the entire Granth. However, going by the internal datings, these were also composed over a period of 10-12 years. Some of the larger chapters of the Chaubis avatar were composed as early as the late 1680s and then completed some 10 years later. Likewise the Charitro Pakhyan was composed in 1696 while the Bachitar Natak was probably completed soon thereafter. Over a period of 10-12 years it is not impossible to compose some 800 pages of bani. When I was doing my research on the kavi darbar last year I noticed how some years seem to have been more productive than others. The period 1695-1698 seem to have been a very active period in the Anandpur Darbar where large chapters of the Mahabharat were completed. Translating the Mahabharat is a massive undertaking in itself! Likewise, there were no major battles in the years 1694-1698. This gave the Guru and his poets the time needed to engage in their arts and devote "full time". Suraj Prakash is 8-9 times the size of the Dasam Granth and that was composed over the same period of time (10-12 years). So it is not impossible. Likewise with the music. Being a calligrapher could have developed along learning prosody. The sakhi says the SIkhs came to the Guru and asked for joining the Granths together. And then the answer was given. It does'nt say the SIkhs were told no, and then the same Sikhs came and asked again. Since they were never officially merged together it means the Sikhs understood to keep them seperate (apart from that one saroop in delhi of Bhai Mani Singh) I dont think its fair to see they did'n know the content of the Granths. There is nothing wrong in saying that the Dasam Granth has a much greater focus on Avatar lila than the Guru Granth Sahib considering the wide scope of the Chaubis Avatar as well as the 3 Chandi banis and the other Mahabharat translations. Sure, its not all about avatar lila, but even the Anti-Dasam Granthis say that Dasam Granth is a "hindu scripture" due to the Chaubis Avatar. It is an exaguration. I would'n say Bhai Sahib did'n know what it was about since he obviosly studied it as is evidenced by his quoting of it. Your theories are interesting - try and look more into them in light of what puratan ithias says and see if you can find any evidence to back them up. Would be interesting to see. Its good to imagine - the problem however is that we are not talking about a random devout sikh who came to the court once a year during Vaisakhi. We are talking about Bhai Mani Singh who tradition records as a court poet himself, a scribe, resident in Anandpur as well as a darbari. He spent years and years with the Guru. It is very unlikely that he would take large granths such as Bachitar Natak and Charitro Pakhyan and say they were guru krit just because people say so , if he had never stumbled across them during his residence in Anandpur. Imagine if I come to you 10 years after your best friend has passed away and say "here is a 800 page granth that your friend was actually working on. You might not know and you've probably never seen it before.. but true story".. Thats very unlikely no? The earliest reference to "Vada Granth" i've come across is in a 1692 saroop of Guru Granth Sahib.. I dont know if it was scribed in Anandpur or else where. Interesting though that it uses the same terminology as Bhai Kesar Singh Chibbar some 70 years later. Would be interesting to see if there is any reference to the Dasam Granth being called Chota Granth already in the 1690s. To be honest i've never really looked into the arguments used for the different pen names. What do Pro-Dasam Granthi scholars give as reasoning? Can you provide some examples of what you consider to be differences in belief systems? I can't as I dont know more than it.. It was just a theory and conjecture. It's something to look further into *wink wink you do it* ;) Take it from scracth, start from A and end with Z so others can also read along and learn from your research.
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    Light humour-Jokes A woman is always right.. Just sometimes confused, misinformed, rude, stubborn, senseless, unchangeable & even downright stupid; but never wrong..!!! Some few marriage humors are enjoyable: 1. Quote on a man’s T-shirt: All women are devils... But my wife is QUEEN of them! 2. Man was sent on earth to suffer... Women was sent to make sure it happens! 3. Marriage is a relationship in which one person is always right, And other is husband! 4. Husband & Wife always compromise. Husband always admits that he is wrong, and wife agrees with him. 5. Husband & wife had a long argument. Wife concluded: See dear; do you want to WIN or be HAPPY? 6. A man speaks 25000 words daily, a woman speaks 30000 words. Problem starts when husband comes from office after finishing his 25000, & wife starts her quota of 30000 words! 7. Boy: My dad is billionaire & 93-years old. He will die soon. Will you marry me? Girl: NO. A week later she became his step-mother. Moral: Don’t give ideas to girls. 8. Two things in life are difficult to achieve: (1) to plant your idea in someone’s head, & (2) to plant somebody’s money in your pocket. * He who succeeds in the 1st, we call him TEACHER; * He who succeeds in the 2nd, we call him GOVERNMENT; * The one who succeeds in both, we call WIFE; & * The one who fails in both, we call HUSBAND! 9. Husband: Do you know the meaning of WIFE? It Means-Worries Invited For Ever... Wife: No; it means- With Idiot For Ever !!! 10. No one teaches a volcano how to erupt... No one teaches a tsunami how to arise… No one teaches a hurricane how to sway around... No one teaches a man how to choose a wife… Natural Disasters just happen…!!! 11. Why are wives more dangerous than the Mafia? The mafia wants either or money or life... The wives want both! 12. Searching these keywords on Google 'How to tackle wife?' Google search result, 'Good day sir, Even we are searching'. 13. Compromising does not mean you are wrong and your wife is right. It only means that the safety of your head is much more important than your ego! 14. Imagine living with 3 wives in one compound and never leaving the house for 5 years. Osama Bin Laden must have called the US Navy Seals himself! 15. Whisky is a brilliant invention… One double and you start feeling single again. 16. A friend recently explained why he refuses to get to married. He says the wedding rings look like miniature handcuffs. 17. American: In India, do you guys call your wives ‘HONEY’ in your native language? Indian: Oh no; we call them BEE-BEE… they sting twice as hard as HONEY BEE…
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    Sat Sri Akal Waheguru Ji Ka khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Khalsa After reading everbody's thoughts i feel like writing something about it. What i have realized so far is that doing nitnem during amritvela actually gives your body so much energy that your body feels so light and do all sort of works so fast. I was a lazy man earlier usually needs 8-9 hrs of sleep but since i have started doing nitnem i dont need much sleep ....
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    http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,160,166 chek out bhai sahib kulbir singh ji's posts, tips for getting up at the end of one. [below taken from the link]: "Some Tips for getting up at Amritvela 1) Let’s face it. We are not Brahmgyanis. So we should not try to imitate them either. Brahmgyanis may sleep (in so called sleep too they japp Naam) at midnight and still get up an hour or two hours later. But we are mortal beings. We must sleep early if we want to get up early. 2) One may sleep late and still get up early for 1 day, 2 days, 3 days or even a week but eventually he will be fatigued and sooner or later will lose or miss Amritvela. 3) A normal person needs at least 5-6 hours of sleep. If one wants to get up at 2am, then one must strive to sleep at 8pm. 4) Another thing to note is that if we sleep well at night, there is much more energy to japp Naam at Amritvela and concentration is much deeper. 5) If one is to sleep at 8pm, one must eat dinner by 6pm and then walk a little after eating. If one takes dinner at 9pm and sleep at 10-11, it is much harder to get up at Amritvela. As per experience of many Gursikhs heavy dinner, late at night, is an impediment in getting up early. 6) Do Kirtan Sohila with full concentration and do ardaas before Guru Sahib for Amritvela. 7) Before sleeping, one should try to concentrate on Naam Abhyaas or repeatedly do short Gurbani paaths like Ramkali kee Vaar and Basant kee Vaar. 8) At Amritvela, one should strive to do Ishnaan with cold water. This helps in concentration. Despite all the efforts and tricks, we must realize that Amritvela after all is a gift of Vaheguru. For this reason, the foremost thing to do is to supplicate and beg before Guru Sahib for this gift. If Guru Sahib beholds us with the eye of grace, then Amritvela is done effortlessly. Daas, Kulbir Singh"