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  1. 4 points
    Lucky

    Some strange noises

    Good. As Sat says above, these are correct. The jerk/jhatka is from your surti try to leave and connect into sunn. Sometimes, you may get a sudden feel as if you were "falling" downwards or may sense that you kind of tripped to a descent or fell. <<- This is when surti has risen upwards to akash tat or above and wasn't able to get further. It descends back down all of a sudden. There are physiological explanations for all of these on basis of muscle contractions(troponin & tropomysin), movement of ions like Ca and Mg at muscle level and Na, K at neurological ...as you will be aware in medical field.... but the truth is that Sukham actions/subtle behavior ----> leads to physiological changes AND vice versa. Do more saas saas and antarghat simran. The faint sound you hear will start opening up LIsten to this inner voice. Try to identify it. It doesn't come by thinking. It comes from letting go and not using the mann. The mann always calculates to reach a solution for ego. When you step out of this network you can connect to the "aatmic' voice. It takes practice but you begin to understand if decisions/choices are hukam or manmat(mind calculated).
  2. 3 points
    Dhan Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Maharaj, March 29.
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    harsharan000

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    Dhan Baba Ishar Singh Ji Nanaksar Kaleran, March 26.
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    Mooorakh

    Some strange noises

    ☺Happy for you! Keep going
  6. 3 points
    Sat1176

    Some strange noises

    Both your experiences are correct. When the mind becomes still and concentrated it tries to enter Sunn, but we don't have practice of going to sunn ourselves through guided meditation and sometimes a jerk is experienced. It will pass. Yes the dhun occurs when mind is concentrating, listen to it. Give it some attention at that time if you can. Your becoming more aware of it. It will start to remain longer. Glad you had a chat with Bhai Dharamjit Singh. Very nice Gurmukh.
  7. 3 points
    Soulfinder

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    Veer ji i have made a post on this subject and here is the link But i will add it again what dass posted as it was by Sri Maan Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale Veer ji here is Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa view on them at 01:15 and 2:45 onwards are the namdhari mentions Veer ji here is another really good view by Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindrawale. Everyone must listen at 5:20 onwards as this is worth listening. http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Jarnail_Singh_(Bhindran_wale)/Sant.Jarnail.Singh.(Bhindra.wale)--Sukhmani.Sahib.Da.Parchar.mp3
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    Bhen ji here is the mp3 of the track as the mp4 file size is restricted from being uploaded on here. Agam jot _ Quality & Quantity _ Akath katha _ GM ( 128kbps ).mp3
  9. 2 points
    Used to love reading these as a youngster! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146813/Asterix-Obelix-creator-Albert-Uderzo-dies-sleep-aged-92.html
  10. 2 points
    Waheguru ! No one should be abusing anyone. These things don’t look good on the front page of a Sikh platform. I don’t know the inside story. By abusing others we are only doing damage to ourselves mentally and physically. Krodh is a very tricky vice, it can attack unexpectedly. External situations should not influence one’s internal state.
  11. 2 points
    Ragmaala

    Sleep during meditation

    Oh no penji lol Thats good you are doing better. I also have a sore throat since 3-4 days but Maharaj is doing kirpa and it will get better. As per Bhai Simranjeet Singh Tohana, saas giras increases Brahma Agni and that builds up our immunity. He posted a video regarding this. But given my sore throat I have been unable to follow this
  12. 2 points
    Sat1176

    Coronavirus - Covid 19

    I am definitely concerned about this pandemic. I worry about our child and elderly parents. https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/03/these-underlying-conditions-make-coronavirus-more-severe-and-theyre?fbclid=IwAR0NWWJKCi4FNBUTC-aHAzd9HMDJ92STX0Lcw1EhCY4UADWnGbsGRI1JN9k There is a serious lack of information coming out uk government. They don't have the infrastructure to cope so have stopped testing most people. Everyone must assume they have it if they exhibit symptoms. This is a complete joke.
  13. 2 points
    Dhan Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji Maharaj, March 28.
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    It's a loaded 'question' veerji. Doesn't deserve an answer from you. The provocateur is not interested in any answer.It's aim is to prove there's no such word as 'Sikh' and we all are hindus. He tried this same trick in the Namdhari thread. You can show it all the sources and proof but it will not accept as only it is true and we all are fools. Just a heads up for you veerji.
  16. 2 points
    Veer ji you could try the youtube page for Basics Of Sikhi and Gurmatbibek to find out as i do remember the Late Bhai Jugraj Singh Ji did cover a lot of these questions in his videos.
  17. 2 points
    @harsharan000very nice posts and threads veer ji keep posting to help lift the mood for the cyber sangat on here.
  18. 2 points
    I'm okay bhai ji. I had 'experiences' when I was younger that sort of make lock downs no problem for me. lol It's a good idea to pick something and develop your skills in the time you are locked down - not least of all for your sanity. Try and make it a productive time. It doesn't have to be all negative. Do more training (or start if you don't), try some new stuff like yoga/stretching/recipes. If you are lucky to have a garden - use it. Keep your head up!!
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    Yes it is a meme of Corona virus. And you query of my whereabout, well bro, I am in the same boat as rest of the world, which means cofined at home, which is necessary for one's security, as well as for our family members at home. We need a lot of patience and mentalization to go through this difficult phase, which by His grace shall hopefully pass away too. Hope you are fine also. SSA.
  20. 2 points
    I think we should differentiate between having a desire for someone else's women, and having a desire for your own spouse. To equate the two is a big error in my opinion. Thing with marriage is that it is a two way thing. It's all well and good if one side wants to be a celibate, but what if the other half doesn't? Is it fair to spring such majorly life changing things on another unexpected? Plus, bhai ji, since I read DG and learnt that Ramchandar Ji may have started the conflict by chopping off Ravan's sister's nose, when she flirted with him, I've always been a bit reserved on perceiving Ravan as some 'bad guy' in some binary style conception i.e. Ramchandar = Good; Ravan = Bad. I agree that kaam vaasna is one of the strongest (if not thee strongest!) vikaars though.
  21. 2 points
    Lucky

    Some strange noises

    sounds good! Yes, this could be vascular/pulsatile tinnitus phenomena as you say and it could also be coming from jugular-carotid area (what Dr. told me) However, you're only beginning to hear it since you are internalizing more. I've never been too sure because I was also told that they were pavan-shabads. Now, the same type of shabads manifest and repeat themselves later in sunn as anhad. References in gurbani for "chauri" fly-brush will give some clues. At this stage, I wouldn't get too wrapped up on whether they are physiological sounds or pavan shabads. Maybe a bit of both? just keep attention on jap and shabad and get prep'd for drinking amrit ras. Many sounds are heard between pavan shabads(as per chakras) and akash tat. As you ascend and go past the akasj tat you have to break through a barrier called "dhaval". This is akin to earth's outer surface at which gravity acts. Goal is to keep going and break past this into the sunn. For now, you are hearing faint shabad, and the more you go antarghat, the closer you'll start to get. The frequencies will change until you are at a stage when it is 24/7. Good efforts are leading to kirpa. Keep going!
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    Exactly!! Thats what I am hearing too , but its way subtler than the one in video. Hope my journey continues to grow Its been a long time... I am going through this thread from the beginning, so many subtle things starting to make sense now.
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    Ragmaala

    Some strange noises

    I am sharing some more maybe someone had similar experiences. Last night I became aware during dreaming. The details are very blurry. I felt these sensation of vibration and sounds , cant really explain. Also felt sensation of numbness and tingling in body and arms. These sensations were neither pleasurable nor painful, just there. There was a feeling of a little vulnerability. I don’t remember the rest. I have been paying more attention to my ears. I have also noticed a whooshing sound in ears that coincides with pulse and last for 4-5 beats 1-2 times per day. In medical terms its called pulsatile tinnitus but obviously its not medical. Has anyone experienced these whooshing sounds ? Also, I noticed a distant sound which sounded like a washing machine in far distance. This was a very subtle dim sound. Lol i went down to check if someone had the washing machine on but nope. Please shed some light for me , thanks @Lucky @Sat1176
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    The charitar seems to be based on this rishi. It is quite an informative read about his life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishyasringa Some things I've noticed from this: How is it that the whole town, King and Brahmans etc all failed yet placed their faith in the ability of a prostitute to accomplish what they could not? The Rishi and his wife, then produced 13 children. I think that these births didn't come through human rites as the whole town would have died by then. We would be looking at at least 10 years for all of them to be born that way. One account of the Rishi's birth is that he was from the womb of a deer, which is why he had horns on his head. The Rishi after producing rain, and saving the town, then actually became a threat to the same town. So firstly they needed his attendance to save themselves, and then they needed his removal to save themselves. The image of the Rishi had to be changed from Jatta to pagridhari ie from dreadlocks to a turban. Why could the woman bring the rishi as he was, with dreadlocks to the town. I think that she wanted to display her power over him to the townsfolk. That she had not only changed his appearance but also his outlook on life ie from a sanyassi to a grishti.
  25. 2 points
    gross...... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8112169/Hundreds-Hindus-hold-cow-urine-drinking-party-belief-fight-coronavirus.html
  26. 2 points
    Dhan Baba Attar Singh Ji Maharaj Gursagar Mastuana, March 15.
  27. 2 points
    Here is a video i found today which reminded of Bruce Lee's Way of the dragon or Return of the dragon seeing the nunchuck VID-20200313-WA0019.mp4
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  29. 2 points
    Jageera

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/namdhari-sikhs-chand-kaur-murder-a-wealthy-sect-an-old-family-feud-and-the-murder-of-a-matriarch/ Chand Kaur murder: A wealthy sect, an old family feud and the murder of a matriarch What is the feud that is tearing the first family of the Namdharis apart? Is the killing linked to the vast properties the sect owns, an attempt by a “third party” to ensure the family stays divided? How much wealth is at stake in this feud? Uday Singh controls over 6,000 acres of prime land, including the Bhaini Sahib headquarters, which also houses two palatial bungalows. He is the chairman of Namdhari Seeds, a multinational company with a turnover of over Rs 800 crore. He owns a bungalow in Bengaluru. A state of the art Satguru Partap Singh (SPS) Hospital runs in Ludhiana on charitable land of Namdharis. Another 400 acres of dera land in Mastangarh of Haryana is under Uday Singh. Dalip Singh, on the other hand, is in possession of 120 acres of land at Jeewan Nagar in Haryana, the ancestral property of his father Bir Singh, where he runs a dera, besides a bungalow in Bengaluru. ^^^^ looks like being a loyal dog of the tyrannical indian state pays well.
  30. 2 points
    Jageera

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    Murder of Namdhari ex-head’s wife: ‘Arrest feuding nephew Dalip Singh’ https://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/murder-of-namdhari-ex-head-s-wife-arrest-feuding-nephew-dalip-singh/story-0VnVsBjSUdwZnuNkrRF8PI.html Even as the police constituted a special investigation team to probe the fatal shooting of Chand Kaur, widow of former Namdhari sect head Satguru Jagjit Singh, followers sought arrest of Thakur Dalip Singh, her nephew who heads a feuding faction of the sect, for the murder on Monday. I learnt this art of copy&paste from you penji,hope you are proud of me.
  31. 2 points
    Jageera

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/chand-kaur-wife-of-late-namdhari-sect-head-guru-shot-dead-in-ludhiana/ Following the death of her husband Jagjit Singh in 2012, Kaur had supported Thakur Uday Singh as successor of the gaddi (highest guru seat). However, the opposite faction wanted Thakur Dilip Singh, the elder brother of Uday Singh, to be declared as successor. Uday Singh and Dalip Singh are sons of Maharaja Bir Singh, brother of Satguru Jagjit Singh. Satguru Partap Singh, in whose name SPS Hospitals run across the country, was father of Jagjit Singh. Don't try to pin this on Sikhs.This was the product of the turf war of two brothers vying for the post of Namdhari "guru".The old woman was targeted because she supported an opposing faction. Lol, so even the wife of Jagjit,namdhari supremo wasn't spared by the narakdharis. Just shows their mentality.Even with living "gurus" they still act worse than donkeys.
  32. 2 points
    Jageera

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    Well people of the ethnic majority in these countries you mentioned did not rape and murder Sikhs.They do not spend billions on their intelligence agencies to suppress the Sikh faith and its followers.they do not find every way to attack and corrupt Sikhi and its youth.They do not use its media power to negatively portray Sikhs and turn them into a laughing stock. They do not have cyber troopers defending their rape and murder online on every Sikh forum just like what you and your fellow troopers here are doing. Go ask your own people what they do to Sikhs before you start playing victim. p/s; No,you won't "disappear" like that rape infested democracy you call India. In the countries you mentioned the rule of law is followed unlike a certain pseudo 'democracy'.You will be tried.You will be able to have legal representations and rights. Best of all even if you are tried,people of your same race or religion won't get raped and murdered on the streets by "mobs"..lol.
  33. 2 points
    You are the queen of copy paste penji,carry on I rest my case. Look at the hatred this person has for Sikhi.Why don't you take this same bullshit and go tell this to muslims,jews and christians too that their faith comes from hinduism.I would pay to see what happens after that. If what you say is the truth then why don't you people go convince your fellow hindus to smash your idols,throw away your tilaks and dhotis,stop drinking cow piss,burn all your vedas,purans and come join Sikhi as we are based on an ancient and eternal dharam and all are same innit?Why is it us who always have to change and accept authority of others? Maybe its time you people dumped your rubbish and come bowing to us. If what you say was true,the Gurus would not have wasted time creating Sikhi,Why go through all the pain and trouble? There were many religions around,and as you said there is ONE eternal dharma,so why start Sikhi? Are you claiming to be smarter than the Gurus?The Gurus did start the Sikh religion so I believe they know better than you.
  34. 2 points
    lol the the most violent aggressive person here is you who harasses people from thread to thread. Don't try to play victim just because you have a vagina. You are a rabid hindu extremists,what the hell are you doing on this site ridiculing Sikhs and Sikhi every chance you get.
  35. 2 points
    Dhan Guru Nanak Tuhi Nirankaar, March 9.
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    chatanga1

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    Gursikhi is more than the swaroop. Of course they didn't. They did exactly the opposite. One of the biggest supporters of the Panjab congress was an namdhari. Harvinder Singh Hanspal was a high ranking member of the Naamdhari Panth. He was also a high ranking member of congress party in 1980s in Panjab. Hanspal also participated in the indian terrorist backed "World Sikh Conference" in 1984 to support the indian state's terrorist actions. The allegation is simple. They did zero, actually minus zero to help any Sikhs in those decades.
  37. 2 points
    Soulfinder

    Why "Namdhari" is Not Sikhs?

    Bhen ji true but now they have no use for the Sikh Panth especially since they didn't help in 1984 when we really needed it.
  38. 2 points
    @Soulfinder See this above bro. It's why she isn't liked anywhere in Sikh circles. No it's bhagwa which is more peach coloured than kesri. The BJP did nothing to bring justice to those murderers who did either, when they have the power to do so. Most of the DG's, DIG's, SSP's and DSP's are alive who carried out the ethnic cleansing of Sikhs since 1984. Why are they still free? Even this DG Dinkar guy with his "return a terrorist by evening from Kartarpure Sahib" quip was one of those officers. Yet Jagtar Singh Jaggi, who himself never harmed anyone, yet kept the information of the indian state's ethnic cleansing operations alive in the next generation of Sikh Panth, has been in indian jails for 3 three years. I wonder how many copy and paste essays you did about that. Like you do about the Khalistan movement? You were the one who parroted kps gill's views from his book ad verbatim. Yet many moons later you haven't told the WHOLE story. You hypocrite.
  39. 2 points
    Glad to share bhen ji here is a lot more detailed post i made with all the katha i could find online on the bani
  40. 2 points
    Well that is your belief not mine penji. To me pointing out something that doesn't exist in the SGGS does not amount to any blasphemy. SGGS never talks about worship of Ram son of Dasrath. And as I said,I did not come up with this,it was from videos on youtube which you too can freely access.I'm just pointing out it's one of the popular views in circulation.If that view is in your view offensive tell me what you would like to be redacted and I have no problem obliging.I am not in the business of hurting the feelings of others penji. I don't hate any dharma but hate it when others try to walk over my head and try to rule over me.I reject sovereignty of any other dharam over Sikhi. I think you are not accurate labeling King Ravana as a Devil as wasn't he of both Brahmin and Rakshas birth?So he was 50/50.Still doesn't make him a Devil.And when they say birth from union of brahmin and rakshas,the rakshas could mean low caste women. And where did his power come from? Wasn't it from Shiva,a major deity in the hindu trimurthi? Why would Shiva give a Devil superpower,doesn't make sense.So there is more to this story.There needs to be more research on this by a non partisan perspective.And didn't King Ravana compose the Shiva Tandava Stotram, one of the greatest compilations of praise for Shiva? I refuse to believe that a "Devil" could compose a masterpiece of this calibre. With his neck consecrated by the flow of water that flows from his hair, And on his neck a snake, which is hung like a garland, And the Damaru drum that emits the sound “Damat Damat Damat Damat”, Lord Shiva did the auspicious dance of Tandava. May he give prosperity to all of us. I have a deep interest in Shiva Whose head is glorified by the rows of moving waves of the celestial Ganga river, Which stir in the deep well of his hair in tangled locks. Who has the brilliant fire burning on the surface of his forehead, And who has the crescent moon as a jewel on his head. May my mind seek happiness in Lord Shiva, In whose mind all the living beings of the glorious universe exist, Who is the companion of Parvati (daughter of the mountain king), Who controls unsurpassed adversity with his compassionate gaze, Which is all-pervading And who wears the Heavens as his raiment. May I find wonderful pleasure in Lord Shiva, who is the advocate of all life, With his creeping snake with its reddish brown hood and the shine of its gem on it Spreading variegated colors on the beautiful faces of the Goddesses of the Directions, Which is covered by a shimmering shawl made from the skin of a huge, inebriated elephant. May Lord Shiva give us prosperity, Who has the Moon as a crown, Whose hair is bound by the red snake-garland, Whose footrest is darkened by the flow of dust from flowers Which fall from the heads of all the gods – Indra, Vishnu and others. May we obtain the riches of the Siddhis from the tangled strands Shiva’s hair, Who devoured the God of Love with the sparks of the fire that burns on his forehead, Which is revered by all the heavenly leaders, Which is beautiful with a crescent moon. My interest is in Lord Shiva, who has three eyes, Who offered the powerful God of Love to fire. The terrible surface of his forehead burns with the sound “Dhagad, Dhagad …” He is the only artist expert in tracing decorative lines on the tips of the breasts of Parvati, the daughter of the mountain king. May Lord Shiva give us prosperity, The one who bears the weight of this universe, Who is enchanting with the moon, Who has the celestial river Ganga Whose neck is dark as midnight on a new moon night, covered in layers of clouds. I pray to Lord Shiva, whose neck is bound with the brightness of the temples hanging with the glory of fully bloomed blue lotus flowers, Which look like the blackness of the universe. Who is the slayer of Manmatha, who destroyed the Tripura, Who destroyed the bonds of worldly life, who destroyed the sacrifice, Who destroyed the demon Andhaka, who is the destroyer of the elephants, And who has overwhelmed the God of death, Yama. I pray to Lord Siva, who has bees flying all around because of the sweet Scent of honey coming from the beautiful bouquet of auspicious Kadamba flowers, Who is the slayer of Manmatha, who destroyed the Tripura, Who destroyed the bonds of worldly life, who destroyed the sacrifice, Who destroyed the demon Andhaka, who is the destroyer of the elephants, And who has overwhelmed the God of death, Yama. Shiva, whose dance of Tandava is in tune with the series of loud sounds of drum making the sound “Dhimid Dhimid”, Who has fire on his great forehead, the fire that is spreading out because of the breath of the snake, wandering in whirling motions in the glorious sky. When will I be able to worship Lord Sadashiva, the eternally auspicious God, With equanimous vision towards people or emperors, Towards a blade of grass and a lotus, towards friends and enemies, Towards the most precious gem and a lump of dirt, Toward a snake or a garland and towards the varied forms of the world? When I can be happy, living in a cave near the celestial river Ganga, Bringing my hands clasped on my head all the time, With my impure thoughts washed away, uttering the mantra of Shiva, Devoted to the God with a glorious forehead and with vibrant eyes? Anyone who reads, remembers and recites this stotra as stated here Is purified forever and obtains devotion in the great Guru Shiva. For this devotion, there is no other way or refuge. Just the mere thought of Shiva removes the delusion.
  41. 2 points
    Very important Jugti explained at 10 mins about PRAKASH.. Can be a help for abhiyaasi at a higher level. This is worth a seva. @Soulfinder veerji can you upload it as a save file please. This may help many souls!
  42. 2 points
    Thanku @Soulfinderveerji, for reviving this old thread. I love Akaal Ustat, this refreshed it Waheguru!
  43. 2 points
    I used to think that 84 was maybe unrepeatable due to the proliferation of modern tech that allows for pictures and vids to be made and distributed easily - seems like I was wrong.
  44. 2 points
    Here is a new short track that dass found on how to do sidhi of Chandi Di Vaar as i was looking for this mention for a while now as a gursikh friend told about this and here it is finally ਮਰਿਆਦਾ ਚੰਡੀ ਦੀ ਵਾਰ ਦੇ ਪਾਠ ਦੀ I MARYDA CHANDI ( 360 X 358 ).mp4
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    Simran jugtian explained from 18 mins. Highly recommended. 4 part Gurmantar jaap. Saas giras Saas saas Rom rom Anhad Toor Parkash
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    @Jageeravery sad seeing all of this stuff especially in todays day and age with the all high tech gadgets around people are not afraid of doing these cruel sadistic acts. Neither are afraid of God by attacking places of worship.
  47. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Anti-Sikh Propaganda on Wikipedia

    If you didn't know there was a government organisation comprising of Hindus called the "Black Cats", they would go around killing Hindus and rampaging about villages disguised as Sikhs. https://www.sikhfreedom.com/introduction-to-black-cats "When the freedom movement of Khalistan was at the peak, the Indian government adopted many immoral and insincere policies to suppress the movement. One of such policies was to malign the reputation of the Sikh fighters by forming groups of goons and criminals and sending them to the homes of the Sikhs to carry out immoral activities in disguise of Sikh freedom fighters. Such groups were called “Black Cats”. The intent behind this was to turn the public against the Sikh movement, giving the police more freedom to hunt down Sikhs and kill them in large numbers. These policies were kept at highly secret level. The groups of criminals, dressed as Sikhs, would go to different villages, loot the public and dishonor women. Because of the increasing activities of the Cats the public became aware of these groups. Some reporters managed to get interviews of some of the Cats which greatly exposed the tyrant Indian government. At first the police denied the existence of such groups but as more and more evidence came forward the police had no choice but to tell the truth in which they felt no shame and openly made statements favoring these groups and their activities. "
  48. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Anti-Sikh Propaganda on Wikipedia

    Veer ji, who knows what sort of government propaganda he's been reading. He's just ignoring the fact that operation Blue-star and operation Wood-rose even took place.
  49. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Anti-Sikh Propaganda on Wikipedia

    When circumstances demand sikhs by all means should use weapons, you sound like you haven't read dasam granth. How do you know those hindus were innocent. You are blindly believing the government propaganda of the time which painted those hindus as innocent even though they may not be. Kharkus are not terrorists. Period. You have no idea of the circumstances of the time so you can shut up. Thank you.
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    tva prasad

    Anti-Sikh Propaganda on Wikipedia

    Yes, indeed. Even after our gurdwaras had been attacked and countless innocent Sikhs were killed we should have just sat there hoping the government would give us justice. Stop having an opinion on something without having decent knowledge on the subject, beforehand. We did many protests, etc. before 1984 but then Operation Blue Star happened. Operation Woodrose later took place. All options were exhausted, weapons were needed. You saying that shows that you completely lack a brain.
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