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  1. 5 points
    I think naad refers to the divine word. This where the ringing or deep humming originates from. It's the single ek shabad that made creation and is present in everything and everywhere. Anhad bani is difficult to explain but may be easier to understand as the gyan coming through and from the naad. It is the bani, that has no akaar , that one hears via the naad. Just like the bani in sri guru granth sahib that gives us gyan via akhar(words), the anhad bani has no letters or words. If that makes sense?
  2. 4 points
    Just had an amazing experience. I was just laying down and heard my pulse but also found myself chanting "vahe-guru" with each heart beat. I tried to see if I was making up things so I tried to stop it but it didn't stop. It just kept going. My body was completely still like one in deep sleep to the point I thought I wasn't even in my body anymore.
  3. 4 points
    The above 2 post by Lucky and Sat veerji help with some contrast. It is really difficult to explain since characteristics change as you climb. Maybe easier to imagine the naad or divine word (mentioned), as a baseline sound. After all, it is the sound that exists everywhere and from which all creation was created. The anhad bani, akath katha, sehaj dhun, toor etc.. all come from this origin. 1) The journey starts when you first begin to hear it faintly. (ring/hum coming from naad) 2) Encounter other sounds as you progress and these are first heard whilst in maya. 3) After going through various maya sounds which I see have been referred to as pavan shabads on previous posts, the person eventually gets into deeper void(sunn). (maya sounds is my way of describing sounds where seeker is still in maya and not in 4th chautha padh) 4) In chautha pad(outside maya), more experiences occur like 5 shabads again, anhad bani, akath katha.... until eventually you get into the true baseline naad again. This time it's different since you are hearing outside if tres-gun maya. You could say it's the true naad and some gurmukhs actually only refer to this sound as the naad. Hence, the confusion. Nevertheless, it's still coming from same source and is still that baseline. Difference is whether you hear it in tres-gun or outside of tres-gun. This is my understanding. Bhul chuk marf if it's contrary to what other gurmukhs or bhai saab may explain.
  4. 4 points
    I thought it was as follows: 1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts. 2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest) 3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage) 4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound) 5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray) 6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn). 7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across. The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.  
  5. 4 points
    I'll attempt answering whilst i'm online at the moment. The way I understand it and as per some of Tohana sahib's recodrings; the bandgi or bhagti starts when you start listening and merging (samao) into naam shabad. This is also called doing naam seva and is a process of gyaan and dhyiaan. Gurmantar or jap of any mantar of form, written word or 'akaar' as in waheguru, ram ram, hari.. should lead you to the state of hearing the naam that has no written or describable akaar. You could call it the formless stage of hearing the dhun of naam that will lead to amrit and jyot illumination.. I hope you understand it a little better? I believe that it's also when a person starts to re-write their own lekha to some extent.
  6. 4 points
    lol. I was an infant in 76. Watched the movie in late 80's and became a huge fan. Don't want to go off topic here but a movie is a movie. it can't be classed as gurmat or manmat. The mat is what comes from within the individual as far as I understand. The only focus you want for "next station" is to be as thoughtless and still as possible, ready to surrender your complete self. (That's my personal suggestion). The sound you hear is positive, and by aiming to surrender in a thoughtless state. is the only way I know to help build the love. Trying to conquer different shabads never helped me but as Bhai saab says in recording you have to aim to "samao" into shabad. Please persist with patience because amrit drip and illumination of jot should come in this process. Stay motivated. I've started re-reading posts on here and listening to recordings in order to motivate myself again. Do whatever it takes to achieve this.
  7. 3 points
    harsharan000

    Benefits Of Naam Simran

    By Naam Simran, there are only benefits. And among them, the best are as the Bani says: Prabh ka simran mun kee mael jaae. By His simran, all our accumulated dirt since countless births is washed away, thus we become pure, paviter. After this step, then comes the second step as seen in the following verse. Prabh ka Simran garb na baseh. We are the freed from the unendable cycles of births and deaths, for it is then only that we merge in Waheguru Akal Purukh. SSA
  8. 3 points
    Mooorakh

    I wish to take Amrit

    In my quest towards Amrit.. I came across two extremes.. Pls pour in your ( source Gurmat Rehat Maryaada - Damdami Taksaal front pg uploaded) Vs  ( source http://www.sikhnet.com/news/i-miss-good-ol-days-1) I remember my own ‘amrit sanchar’ very well. Bapu Ji took me to see Baba Sohan Singh Ji to discuss amrit as I had felt I was not ready for it. I was 15 and a favourite of Baba Ji as I did kirtan and accompanied Baba Ji and Bapu Ji on numerous occasions. The conversation went something like this. Baba Ji: Beta, your Bapu Ji tells me that you feel you are not ready for ‘amrit’ Me: Baba Ji, I will not be able to handle all the expectations of ‘amrit’ just yet. Baba Ji: Chal beta. Let us go through all your apprehensions. Me: I will not be able to do all the Nitnem banis expected of me. Baba Ji: Can you do JapJi in the morning, Rehras at dusk and Sohila at night? Me: I already do those. Baba Ji: Well, we have no problem. As time goes by add Jaap Sahib and Sawayiyay as Nitnem. Occasionally do the full Anand Sahib. In fact you will find that doing Sukhmani Sahib occasionally is also very uplifting. It will help you in your studies and even in your sports! Can we agree on that? Me: yes, Baba Ji. Baba Ji: You know what is expected of you and let me assure you that you will get supreme bliss and a sense of well-being every time you do all the banis! Next? Me: Baba Ji, 5 kekar. I cannot keep all 5 kekar on my person all the time. I love my sports and cannot be lugging around a kirpan, a kachhera and even a kanga in my hair. In fact when I play hockey, I am even expected to take my kara off as it can hurt an opponent. Baba Ji: Beta, I have one important question for you. Do you have intentions of cutting your hair into the future? Me: (I was shocked at even being asked that). No Baba Ji, I shall always keep my hair. I am proud to be a Sikh! Baba Ji: (Smiling, seeing the look of shock on my face.) Then Beta, we have no problems. The other kekars are man-made. They can come off and on as required. They are loving gifts from you bapu – Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Treasure them. Keep them. In fact learn how to wield a kirpan for defence and learn self-defence. Treasure your kachhera – do not go chasing after loose women or any woman for that matter. Wear the kara as your ornament from Guru Ji. Does that answer your question? Me: Yes Baba Ji! But Baba Ji, I play team sports where I am expected to share drinks with other players. What about ‘jooth’? Baba Ji: Not a problem. Let me explain something about amrit, beta. Amrit once taken is not easily broken. Once your pita, dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj takes you by the arm, he does not easily give you up! Amrit only breaks if you commit a heinous sin including cutting your hair, engaging in extra-marital sex, eating halaal meat or consuming tobacco – the four ‘bejer-kurahits’. You will come up short many times as you are a human being. But all you have to do is realise your shortcoming, pick yourself up, ask for forgiveness from your father and move on in life. THAT IS AMRIT. Amrit is to give you a sense of belonging – belonging to the family of Guru Gobind Singh. If you want to be part of that family, then take amrit. It is as simple as that. I saw no possible reason not to partake of amrit. It was more about partaking of it and working with it rather than working at it first and then partaking of it when one felt ready. Let me assure you, I believe 95 percent of youngsters or just Sikhs who would otherwise take amrit will never ever feel ‘ready’ to partake of it. IF I HAD BEEN GIVEN A CHOICE BY SANT BABA SOHAN SINGH JI, I THINK I WOULD NEVER HAVE GOT AROUND TO PARTAKING OF AMRIT. He made the partaking of amrit feel like a rite of passage into adulthood rather than an option of getting into a rigid code of conduct for the rest of my life. Yes, I have fallen short many times but I have never felt that it has ever been broken. I belong to the family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.
  9. 3 points
    Thanks for that and I totally agree. One is only able to attempt this successfully after shabad dhun has increased in depth and frequency. (more taeijh).
  10. 3 points
    Listen to what you hear. I think it depends on how deep you are within plays and important part in what sound you hear. Keep gurmatar going softly in the background whist keeping dhyan on the sound you hear. Some people stick with gurmantar and take themselves very deep before they switch to more distinguishable sounds.
  11. 3 points
    Importance of taking Hakumnama, cannot be emphasized enough! Satguru speaks to everyone from its illahi bani, this is clear as a light in taking Hakumnama, lets quickly contemplate what happens- Gyani ji, individual and sangat do ardas infront of maharaj, then gyani ji sits on tabia with clear Awareness of maharaj saroop, he/she via clear awareness without mental noise, preconditioning or thought, pre conceived notions or emotions turns very effortlessly and spontaneously picks up and read ang arbitrarily. At that moment - its jagad jot- supreme awareness(supreme atma) of sri guru granth sahib ji helps jot-jiv atma to pick up and read ang of satguru maharaj for mass sangat, individual and guide them accordingly. This is miracle in itself - this is my freinds pure evident divine at play where supreme awareness-JOT works and operates very freely in a very clear pristine way via mere mortals and provide them with direct answers, insights, epiphanies, revelations-guidance for mass sangat or customized for individual. This is really helpful for everyone, especially for seekers with this guidance of hakumnama- it makes them more receptive towards outer and inner Satguru and makes them more introverted in the path and gets them out of conceptual sand box of egoic mind/mental noise. Small clip from bhai sukha singh:
  12. 2 points
    Sajjan_Thug

    Jugti to keep Naam in mind

    XPOSITION OF PRINCIPAL GURMAT DEVICE (JUGTI) OF LISTENING AND FUSION OF CONSCIOUSNESS WITH SOUND AND IMAGE OF GURMANTER (UNION OF SURAT WITH DHUN AND GURMANTER) Definition of listening Through the grace of Sri Guru Nanak Devji, astonishing benefits of word listening are available in Japji Sahib, for the salvation of the people of the entire world. Listening (Suniye) does not constitute ordinary hearing. What exactly is complete or real listening? The meaning of complete listening is achieving a state of absolute union of consciousness and sound, and maintaining this union as if both the entities have been sewn together. If this state of complete union persists with each breath and at all times, then it is a state of complete peace and a sign of being a perfect human being or a saint (Gurmukh avastha). This state can be achieved with the Guru’s grace by understanding and following the correct technique with intense meditation, concentration and self-discipline. General guidelines for the Art of Speaking andTechnique of Listening: (a) Gurmanter (Waheguru) should be spoken very softly and slowly so as to feel the airtype sound vibrations in the throat going upwards towards and in the head while focusing on both ears with full attention of mind as well as body. Stay relaxed and focused on sound vibrations while repeating the Gurmanter. Gurmanter can be repeated as one word but focus should be fully on sound vibrations and not on breath. Initially, one should repeat recitation of Gurmanter as many times as can be done conveniently in one breath because it would help in keeping the focus on sound vibrations. (b) When one starts feeling sound vibrations in the head, focus should be shifted to the highest point or spot in the head where such vibrations are being felt. Stay focused at the point while repeating the Gurmanter. (c) The point/spot in the head with Name-practice will move upwards and deeper in the head. With further practice, point/spot of sound vibrations will become thinner and thinner and more pointed. Focus should continue to be shifted to the point/spot where sound vibrations are being felt. (d) While doing Name-practice, efforts be made to bring and keep consciousness as close to sound vibrations as possible in a relaxed manner keeping in view the fact that in perfect listening, fusion of consciousness and sound should take place. (e) If one can focus on the highest and the deepest point/spot in the head without uttering Gurmanter, one should stay focused thereon as long as possible. (f) With marked improvement in the art of speaking and technique of listening, musical sounds called ‘Naads’ will be heard. One can stay focused on the deepest sound to improve and keep the focus on inward listening. (g) Maximum time be spent on Name-practice as per convenience. Best time for Name-practice are the ambrosial hours in a noise-free and clean environment Standards for measuring progress: The progress on the path of true listening can be judged by comparing with the following standards:- (A) With the union of consciousness and sound, has the mind achieved a state of persistent calm and stillness? Is the mind relaxed and at peace? (B) Do the consciousness and sound unite inside the head or at the top of the head during Name recitation? Is this union attained or not; and if so, for how long does it persist in a relaxed, natural and easy manner? (C) The following are the signs of union of consciousness with sound:- (1) Body and mind are awash in peace and bliss. (2) Improvement in condition of the body as a whole. (3) Spiritual intoxication. (4) Hearing of Naad (Divine or celestial sounds and music). Divine sounds are calming and pure, spiritually intoxicating and provide amazing joy. (D) Do the consciousness and sound unite without actually speaking the Name? If so how long does this union persist easily and effortlessly? (E) Effortless union of consciousness and sound is the state of absolute blissful meditation. GOAL: CONTINUOUS AND UNINTERRUPTED RESIDENCE OF NAAM IN MIND AND BODY A) The goal can be achieved if the Naam is made to stay in the consciousness, tongue, eyes, throat and abdomen simultaneously with ease and effortlessly. Sustained effort is to be made to achieve this goal. B) Naam has to be practiced by chanting, reciting, hearing and by writing and rewriting the Divine Name. Sustained practice will ensure success. Hurried and forced practice is prohibited and is to be avoided. The path of Divine Name recitation requires that it be practiced in a natural, easy and relaxed manner. C) It is imperative that the correct method of Naam practice is properly understood, followed and practiced. STEPS FOR NAAM PRACTICE FIRST STAGE: DISCOVERING the mind and reciting with mind Step 1: With closed eyes looking at the lips, recite the Divine Name with the tongue in a relaxed and easy manner while listening to its sound with the consciousness staying focused on the sound. Step 2: Keeping attention on the lips and both ears , focus on listening to the sound of the Divine Name as it is recited with the tongue. Step 3: Maintaining attention on the throat and both ears, focus on listening to the sound of the Divine Name while feeling the sound vibrations in the head. Step 4: Maintain attention on the head, recite the Divine Name and feel its sound as it vibrates just below the top of the head (taalu in Punjabi). Full focus should be centered on hearing. True benefit of reciting and listening to the Divine Name will begin to be accrued when it is done through the mind/consciousness/(Surat in Punjabi). The goal is to achieve this aforementioned state and continue the Naam practice with the mind. SECOND STAGE: Naam practice with the mind and body Step 5: Reciting Naam with tongue, attempt to maintain focus on the sound originating in the bottom of the throat. One Divine House (Ghar) is located in the throat. Effort should be made to unite consciousness with the sound and Gurmanter in the throat as in the Throat House, one may experience effulgence of Divine light there. Further, Naam is to descend to Hirdey through throat. For this reason, practice of Naam at the throat will be beneficial. Step 6: ‘Hirdey’ is located in the abdomen below the navel. While reciting Naam with tongue, focus attention on the sound as it resonates through the windpipe and travels to the ‘Hirdey’. Recitation of Name with tongue should be accompanied by movement of the abdomen. Step 7: Maintaining attention from throat through windpipe in the abdomen, continue to recite Name as it is accompanied by movement of the abdomen and focus on listening to the sound as it vibrates in the windpipe, throat and head while keeping attention in the Hirdey as well. Step 8: Naam Amrit can be accessed by listening through Hirdey. For achieving this state, focus on the sides of the abdomen as Hirdey is located below the navel, recite Gurmanter with tongue synchronizing with the movement of the abdomen maintaining primary attention at the sides of the abdomen for listening through the windpipe by Hirdey with secondary focus on listening through ears in the head as well as mind. Alternatively, focus primarily at the mind on top of the head with secondary focus on the ears, throat, windpipe and abdomen –all that simultaneously before uttering Gurmanter, then utter Gurmanter with full focus on listening the sound vibrations at the above-mentioned spots. Step 9: After long and sustained practice, with the imprint of the Gurmanter in the mind, on the tongue, in the throat, windpipe and Hirdey, Naam practice is done without uttering Gurmanter effortlessly, naturally and with ease. At this stage, mind and body will be Naam-dyed with the mind being steady and motionless. THIRD STAGE: I. II. To obtain benefit of the practice of Naam recitation, every effort should be made to recite and listen to the Divine Name with love and reverence, while following the contents of the above mentioned 9 steps. Without verbalizing the Name, attempt should be made to have the Divine Name reside in the mind at all times while standing, sitting, walking and lying down. FOURTH STAGE: As per the priceless words of Bhai Gurdasji, with the union of word, sound and consciousness, it is possible to reach the otherwise unapproachable God. Therefore in the fourth stage attempt is to be made to be achieve union of sound, word (image of word Waheguru) and consciousness in the mind and body. This union requires persistent practice that is to be performed in a natural, easy and relaxed manner. To obtain benefit of Naam meditation, union of these 3 entities is to be kept in mind while following the contents of the above mentioned 9 steps. For union of word and consciousness some special steps are to be followed. The word will enter and come to reside in the consciousness through the eyes. SPECIAL STEPS: Step 1: To write the word Waheguru lovingly 15- 20 times maintaining adequate spacing between each written word. Step 2: To read and recite the written words with reverence and love. Step 3: With eyes closed, practice creating image of the word Waheguru in the eyes. Step 4: To lovingly write, read and thereafter create image of the word Waheguru in the eyes. Step 5: Practice creating image of the word Waheguru in the eyes accompanied by its recitation. Step 6: Creating image of the word Waheguru in the consciousness and practice its recitation. Step 7: It is advisable to place stickers of the word Waheguru in the bedroom, kitchen, office and rear seat of the car, as per convenience. The image of the word Waheguru on the stickers is to be looked at lovingly and attempt is to be made to have the image reside in the eyes and mind. Step 8: Maintaining attention on the lips attempt to create the image of the word in the mouth or on the tongue accomapnied by its recitation with focus on listening to its sound. Step 9: Attention is to be maintained on the lips and both ears while creating the image of the word in the mouth or on the tongue, accompanied by its recitation with focus on listening to its sound. Step 10: Maintain attention on the throat and both ears, create image of the word in the throat accompanied by its recitation with tongue while listening to the sound and its vibrations in the head. Step 11: Maintain attention on the head, focus on the image of the word accompanied by its recitation with the tongue. Listen to the sound and its vibrations just below the top of the head (taalu in Punjabi) while attempting union of the word with its sound. Attempt should be made to maintain union of the image and sound of the word inside the head. Step 12: Maintaining attention on the image of the word in the throat, while reciting word with tongue concentrate on listening to the sound and attempting to keep focus at the bottom of the throat. Time devoted to this activity is based on availability and convenience. Step 13: ‘Hirdey’ is located in the abdomen below the navel. Keeping focus downwards on the abdomen or on the image of the word in the abdomen, recite Name with tongue while feeling the sound in the air passages of the lungs or lower down in the abdomen. Maintain fusion of concentration and sound and make the ‘Hirdey’ listen to it. Recitation with tongue should be accompanied by movement of the abdomen. Time devoted to this activity is based on availability and convenience. Step 14: While keeping focus downwards on the abdomen or on the image of the word in the abdomen recite Name with tongue accompanied by movements of the abdomen. Feeling the sound in the throat and head attention is to be focused on the sound of the word and fusion of word with its image. Time devoted to this activity is based on availability and convenience. Step 15: While keeping focus downwards on the abdomen or on the image of the word in the abdomen recite Name with tongue accompanied by movements of the abdomen. Feeling the sound just below the top of the head (taalu in Punjabi) attention is to be focused on the sound of the word and fusion of word with its image. Time devoted to this activity is based on availability and convenience. Step 16: To keep sitting in meditation quietly while feeling the Name and its fusion with its rhythm in the mind, eyes, mouth, throat and abdomen. Attention should be continuous and undisturbed. This is the state of complete peace and union of mind with the Divine Name. One should try to maintain this state of mind in a relaxed, natural and easy manner (effort should not be forced or done out of compulsion). NOTE: (i) In the fourth stage, focus should be on the image of the word and its sound. One has to keep trying to keep focus on these two entities while attempting to maintain their union. (ii) With the head bowed down, without speaking, looking at the abdomen, the image of the word has to be kept in the mind and inside the abdomen or above it. (iii) (iv) (v) By first practicing the above mentioned points through repeated recitation (speaking), one can make the Name reside in the mind. Following this, while maintaining union of the word and its image, recitation must now be continued in a natural and relaxed manner without actually speaking. The amount of time devoted to each point can be adjusted depending on convenience and availability. It is possible to have darshan of the otherwise unseen and unapproachable Wahegurujee whose grace alone can provide union of consciousness, Name and sound. The complete union of these three entities is possible only with the Guru’s grace. For this union to occur, one must keep saying ardaas at the feet of Satgurujee.
  13. 2 points
    harsharan000

    Benefits Of Naam Simran

    Well done Bro. Keep up with your spiritual practices, so to be more receptive to His beant grace, for it is by His grace alone, that we reach His Darbar. It is all His grace. By His grace we get attracted towards Him and do spiritual practice, namely Bhakti, then again by doing His bhakti, we widely open our jholee to receive His grace more abundantly. You see, any progress comes with efforts, but then, efforts are also possible by His grace alone. So ultimately, it is all His grace. Stay blessed. SSA.
  14. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Am I alright?

    Thanks all for helping but I have gotten all my answers regarding this situation. I got everything figured out from someone.
  15. 2 points
    Jageera

    Benefits Of Naam Simran

    I am witness to the power of Naam Simran. To me at my level it is like a pressure cooker releasing steam.
  16. 2 points
    The Akal Thakht jathedar has made a proclamation yesterday that it’s the religious duty of Sikhs to protect Kashmiri girls from rape and violence all over India.
  17. 2 points
    harsharan000

    From nothing?

    The knowledge of the scientists is limited to the material. Waheguru is imperceptible to the 5 gyan indriyan or the 5 karam indriyan, also, is beyond the realms of mind and maya, time, space, which are subtler than matter, yet we believe Wahegru exists. As per the principle of of science, as Waheguru is not seen and not reached by reason, His existence should be discarded. There are no such devices nor instruments to decipher the existence of Waheguru. The knowledge of Waheguru, can be had only from Gurmukhs, Bhagat Jan and of course Guru Sahiban, as they all come from that realm, which is the very home and permanent residence of Waheguru Akal Purukh, namely Sach Khand. The science which teaches us and enables us to reveal the existence of that One Supreme Primal Being, Waheguru Akal Purukh or Satnam, is called Sikhee. The jugtee is Nam Simran. Through it, we pierce and tear apart the subtle layer of mind and maya, and we penetrate into the real of pure spirituality Parbraham and proceed further to the only Truest and Supreme Being Waheguru, in His Shabad swaroop or form. He is Aad sach, jugaad Sach, hae bhee Sach, Nanak hosee bhee Sach. To reach Him, we need to board on the vessel of Nam : Nanak, Naam jahaaz hae, jinee chareeya, se utareeya paar. Those who borad on the plane of Nam, get crossed over, from the transient and perishable realms of untruth , to the the one of eternity and changelessness, Satnam. Moreover Gurbani tells us: Jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya. He who chants His Name, becomes Him. This is the highest truth in simple words. Through His jaap, we remove all the coverings which keep us prisoners in the mayavee realms, then once the soul gains its original consciousness of being a drop, a ray, of Waheguru , returns back to its source with the aid of Shabad/Naam. Nothing comes out from nothing, so if the creation exists, we exist, the khands, the brahmands exist, then naturally there has to be a creator. To that primal Creator, Gurbani describes it as Ik Oankar, Karta Purukh, which means, One creator alone, the doer of everything, whether seen or unseen. That is the greatness of Guru Sahiban and the Bhagat Jan, who, by His Hukum come to awaken us, and share with us the inmensity and the majesty of that One Primal Supreme Being: Waheguru Akal Purukh. Words just fail to describe Him adecuately , His beant wadeeayee ... SSA
  18. 2 points
    Soulfinder

    Benefits Of Naam Simran

    Veer ji you are 100% correct because all of the first Ashtapadee of Sri Sukhmani Sahib is based on the benfits of simran and its power. https://www.searchgurbani.com/guru-granth-sahib/shabad/885/line/32
  19. 2 points
    I agree. They want independence or a merger with Pakistan. BUT...article 370 at least protected them from being swamped by people from other states. In Panjab we have seen mass immigration from Bihar, which then reduces the Sikh vote. The idea to to make these people a minority in their own homeland. Just like China has done for the last 10 years in East Turkestan to dilute the people there who want autonomy or freedom from chinese rule. Same with Tibet. To the Kashmiris 370 was the last line of defence from civilians. That is really their prerogative isn't it? What they want to do with their homeland is up to them. Because autonomy doesnt mean that the army will not kill Kashmiris in false encounters or rape their women. You know, just the indian army and police did in Panjab for a decade? I'm sure that you're aware that the indian army tortures kashmiris as well. How does autonomy prevent this? You must have the answer. I agree the situatoin is worse but that was majorly to do with the torture and killings of innocent people by the indian state. The same as they did in Panjab. Just killing Sikhs youths anywhere. All-out war against the terrorist indian state would be worse wouldn't it? What if the Kashmiri militants step up their game because of this? What would it achieve? Pakistan has already toned down trade with india and have closed their airspace to india by some reports. Bottom line is, that you can't kill people and expect them to be loyal to you. India has been a terrorist state right from 1947. It has killed it's own citizens in to preserve what it falsely perceives to be the motherland.
  20. 2 points
    Mooorakh

    Am I alright?

    Most people may think that they are unwell if they encounter stages during #meditation #simran. @Soulfinder @tva prasadveerji
  21. 2 points
    MySimran.info few years ago had loads of akath katha videos on their YouTube channel. For some unbeknown reason they took them all down. Sajjan_Thug found a few on the vimeo site and posted a link here. Within 1 month they have taken these down also. They must have seen the post. What I can't figure out is if someone claims to speak the Truth why start hiding knowledge away.
  22. 2 points
    The goal is to dilute the majority Kashmiri population with outsiders who have no connection to Kashmir and will be loyal to New Delhi and allowing these new residents to vote and ultimately denying the Kashmiri people self determination which they have 100% have the right to demand. Now without a doubt all the rape and murder in Kashmir by the Indian "Army", Indian "Police" and Radical Hindu Fanatics is going to quadruple. I predict dark days ahead for the average Kashmiri. This move will without a doubt drive many impressionable young Kashmiri boys to pick up arms and join militant groups.How to blame them,we ourselves would do the same if put in that situation. Our Ancestors did the same when oppressed by tyrants. Now they have evacuated outsiders from Kashmir and to me,this is a signal for a bloodbath of innocents to soon happen there courtesy of the Indian Government, the Deep State and Hindu extremist Organizations.
  23. 2 points
    LiquidSky

    Am I alright?

    You feel a connection, thats called empaty, most people already have it. You know what you should do, treat others as you treat yourself. Dont go around looking for rewards for doing this either, or doing it outwouldly just for show, be it. Know this, if you break someones heart, your Heart is broken.
  24. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Am I alright?

    What asees can a mere mortal like me give? The lord is the giver and the reciever. He is all. Every comfort lies at his feet. Our father is worth all the praise.
  25. 2 points
    Mooorakh

    Am I alright?

    Yes pls don't apologize @Soulfinderveerji. @tva prasad Veerji. U r most welcome . Those are two Gurmukhs with avastha, we listen to their kathas. I m not sure of email, u can try via watsapp though. This is one of hiz video touching on ur subject And here's of Dharamjeet singh ji, video has his number there Interestingly as I was reading today's Darbar Sahib hukamnama it talks about this avastha. It's called ' ateet' that is detachment. Here's d pankti
  26. 2 points
    tva prasad

    Am I alright?

    No need to apologise I appreciate you trying to help.
  27. 2 points
    Mooorakh

    Am I alright?

    Though I am very small in here however as far as I understand though we come in 'awe' or vismaad and look for some kind of confirmation in case we reach a stage in spirituality yet somewhere inside we know it's there. U know it's like a wife knows when it's her husband coming close or some other ' paraaya ", so @tva prasad veerji u must be having some feelings to assure urself. I can provide you the number of Simranjeet Singh ji or Dharamjeet Singh ji who may confirm ur avastha.
  28. 2 points
    Sukh_preet

    Am I alright?

    "Eh vis sansaar jo tum dekhde,eh Har ka roop hai Har roop nadri aaya" Do u see HARR in all?? It's him doing everything. Being a " saakshi" .. That way?? Don't see a psychiatrist my friend be happy. Be thankful and do a mental balle balle. U are on the right track. Rest wise Gurmukhs' will guide of course. @DeNiro @Sat1176 @Lucky @HisServant and others I wish i get something soon too. Please help me follow you. Thanks for sharing bro.
  29. 2 points
    Waheguru Ji The charities name is Manukhta di sewa Sab ton waddi sewa Please see these videos, help and spread this good work
  30. 2 points
    Gaave ko daat jaane nisaan. M dat pampered child of my father who looks for 'gifts' as a sign of his love ❤
  31. 2 points
    Mooorakh

    I wish to take Amrit

    Hi.. Every thing is good rather better than before. M blessed☺. Believe that Gurbani takes care of all the worries and u shud not feel pain when u sit in his company.. I would tell u from a personal experience. I had this problem of body ache and I hired a maid for massage. Initially she used to keep on talking (crap) all the time and believe me even long after she was gone her stories used to keep on lingering in my head.... Then I started to switch on kirtan roopi Sukhmani Sahib path few mins before her time, I concentrated on path while she did her work peacefully. After a month I bid bye to her as bani had its effect and I no more required her svcs BUT not only on me -Bani had effect on her too.. She asked me how could she keep on listening to this 'music' as it brought peace to her mind. She said first 2-3 days it bothered her alot but slowly as she listened.. now it feels beautiful and brings peace✌. She was more quiet n mature Just few inputs about Migraine if u think may go for... Migraine can not be cured by allopathy. Go for Ayurvedic treatments like tarpan and panch karma etc. And keep ur jaw muscles relaxed.. Yes jaw muscles. And most important read the bhakti section in here more n try to meditate. Sitting in sunn relaxes all the muscles and nerves. Wahegurujis blessings are of course most important. Waheguru ji!
  32. 2 points
    Sri Harkishan dhiyaaiye jis ditthe sabh dukh jaaye
  33. 2 points
    Than Sri Guru Harkrishan Sahib Ji Maharaj, July 26.
  34. 2 points
    How do you know how I live? Do you think I'm wrapped in in these 'first world luxuries'? I've come here living amongst them, and have had to deal with them blatantly ignoring the grooming thing for decades where young girls of your own race have been abused en mass because any Sikh with any conscience should do this. Do you think that I'm in some sort of good books of the government for this? I'm not going to go into details, but don't you think they've tried to attack me for doing this? This is about facing up to the truth about these things. You seem more passionate and worried about boers than the most vulnerable people in your own community getting fed to the wolves. And it was you that came here on the ropes with his life decisions wanting advice before you give it the large veer ji. You're views are your views, you are entitled to them. If someone puts alternative opinions out on them, it isn't the end of the world. Both of us could learn something from them. I'm certainly learning that certain apnay hold views that I thought had died out decades ago. I used to hear all of what you were saying when I was younger - always from neo-nazis. So I'm familiar with it. I just didn't know that there are pockets of apnay who bought into this. Good, I'm glad you mentioned those other peoples. Especially the indigenous Americans and Aboriginals. Notice how what has happened on their lands seems to have a similar effect. It causes deep rooted dysfunction, alcoholism and drug abuse and criminality. They never had these issues before. I do have some degree of empathy for their situation. That doesn't make me a SJW or Lefty. Just human. We're only focusing on Africans because that's the example you brought up. The very same thing could be said about the other communities above. Regarding your last point. Maybe it's because the Chinese were at a much more advanced stage, and that for a very prolonged period. So for them to return back to previously established working norms for their society after colonialism, wasn't too difficult. Compare that to us, we just about, with (literally) Guru ji's grace dragged ourselves out of savagery and prolonged periods of foreign subjugation to establish some sort of independent society. Just about. On the backs of major sacrifice and facing serious savagery. Then this was attacked and dismantled after the annexation. Look where we are now. You can go to some villages in Panjab and see how the poorest people are living Jageera. It's only slightly better conditions than those Africans in the mud huts. Plus plenty of people don't live like you are describing in Africa: Look at these mansions in Nigeria for example: I'm sure you can find lots of such properties in Africa as well as shanty towns and mud huts.
  35. 2 points
    And you know what section of our community is especially good at this. You've worked with them, as I have. Strange isn't it. That's exactly what blacks experienced. I thought discussion is what we are here for???? All I'll say is that if you agree that blacks are the least of our problems, you sure hold very strong opinions about them..... "Without the Punjabi race there would be no Sikhi,mind you. No Gurgaddi was given to Madrasis,Gujratis or Bengolis. It was only Punjabis. So if you don't believe in race you have no problem with Girls in your family marrying blacks?And you will happily encourage them to do so? This is the problem. Once we stop believing in race and preserving it,we implode. No need for anyone to attack from outside." Have you checked out where the panj piaray are from bro? They weren't all Panjabi. I wouldn't have a problem with my daughter marrying a decent genuine Sikh guy whatever his colour. I've seen a few cases of others insist on their daughters marrying a certain way (like caste or whatnot) only for it to turn out very badly because the guy is abusive, alcoholic, drug addicted. Only for them to just let the rest of children make their own choices - which sadly goes outside of Sikhs. That's the reality. Do you honestly have no vision of Sikhi outside of Panjabis? Seriously?
  36. 2 points
    Thanks for the reply De Niro. Last night I read this in Bh Sew Singh Tarmala's book, 'Forgetting the way of love'. It implies that Anhad Bani and Naad are not the same thing. Is the ringing sound Anhad Bani? What are the divine words he mentions in point 4?
  37. 2 points
    Nice one veerji. I'd personally add that it's probably only advisable to sit there once your dhyian is geared more in towards the ek shabad/naad. I"m only suggesting since some readers may get confused by try to focus there too early. The tohana sahib recordings warn about this but you know some readers just grab a few pointers and techniques that may be mentioned and then start attempting prematurely. Hope you agree?
  38. 2 points
    Soulfinder

    From nothing?

    Veer ji i really like the points you have written as it does make sense about the dinosaurs and does sound confusing about their existance in older religious texts. But you are right all the theories about human coming from monkey is all wrong and i feel sorry for who ever believes in those stories and where ever they came from. As its not a tree growing experiment coming from monkey then becoming a human. The whole industry you mentioned veer ji is based on nastik people who don't believe in God at all. So i try to avoid that sort of stuff and influences.
  39. 2 points
    Yeah but then you open up the topic of people being allowed to remain owners of their own ancestral lands. I'm not doubting that whites did do all those developmental things you talk about - but does that justify land grabs and subjugation? What about all the savagery that lies behind it - that most whites shy away from facing - is that justified? Should people be allowed to live like their culture dictates on their own land essentially? Even if this is deemed 'inferior' or 'under-developed' by other communities standards? Or does this lack of development by western standards justify violent land grabs in order to 'civilise' these people? And was the purpose of these invaders ever actually about some perceived benevolence towards the original inhabitants, or where they just seen as objects/obstacles to their own aspirations and agendas. If you're going to talk about the violence and savagery in SA right now, can you honestly say that this is definitely not a consequence of white interjection and the changes it causes to society? Because, from what it looks like, wherever they go - this is how things end up eventually. Look at our own traditional homeland and partition for an example close to home. You can see the madness that was brought about in Iraq and Syria recently too.
  40. 2 points
    Sat sri akaal to you all. I have not been on here for months and was very busy trapped in noose of maya. Intending to read topics on here to give me some inspiration since my bhagti and nitnem have taken a nose dive. @Sukh_preet you dont need to be confused. Ive listened to the video and it's very good. I can imagine some people getting confused because they are probaly trying to jump ahead. Jumping ahead and looking to expect things is dangerous and not meditation. Read some of the posts in october 2018 where similar advice was given. What you should do is gurmantar jap. Do it quietly and slowly using breath. Then try and go into deeper sunn states by calming. Hearing the ring sound is good. All the sounds of shanka, dholak etc originate from it. Its NOT a matter of looking out for 5 shabads or anything but just doing jap until the baseline shabad ring gets closer. He's right in bideo about people fobbing off the ring and thinking its nothing. The prem builds AFTER the prem for gurmantar. Gotta get that sidh and pakha first before worrying about whats ahead.
  41. 2 points
    Jageera

    From nothing?

    Wholeheartedly agree with you Veerji. No way in hell did we originate from monkeys. If we did evolve from monkeys,why didn't monkeys evolve into humans already? I am convinced this is an Internationalist Money Masters/Capitalists plot to corrupt education system and the sciences with rubbish so as to "Debunk" religion and to lead the masses into consumerism. You can read up on this online. The International Money Masters that Invented and even funded Communism(Jacob Schiff) wanted to create a new man whose only duty in life was to consume. Thats all. No divinity, no God. Just food,sex and getting intoxicated. It is designed to keep the masses under control of the minority Capitalist elite. In the same breath I also don't believe in dinosaurs as it's a creation of the 20th century. Again the goal was the same. To debunk God and religion and create a multi billion dollar bullshit industry that still infects this world today. Factories in China have been exposed manufacturing so called "Dinosaur bones". Of course skeptics would say " but they measured the age of the bones to be millions of years old". But again,all testing facilities are under their control and they all cover up for each other for economic reasons as to not kill their multi billion dollar golden goose.
  42. 2 points
    Typical Leftie virtue signalling in this video. Nothing wrong with the arms industry. Either you are in it or not. Those who forsake arms will be enslaved by internal or external foes.When you are in the arms manufacture industry the only thing you should ensure is that the damn things work properly and don't jam,backfire or malfunction while in battle.Those who "pretend" to worry about morality and "women&children" should go sit in some buddhist temple. Weapons ARE the only thing that can ensure the safety and wellbeing of women&children. Those who are unable to arm theirselves will face ethnic cleansing,mass rape & genocide. Gun control is a huge thing in the west now.Watch and see what happens when they give up their guns in America,they will end up just like the White South Africans, rape&murder victims in their own country.
  43. 2 points
    Doesn't every last western white person not actually realise that this is what their society does as a norm politically? And have been doing for centuries. I know you'll get a few simple-minded 'special needs' type that truly can't see through the 'gorment' propaganda (like we didn't have hordes of these in our own community during the colonial period), but I'm pretty sure every last one of them outside of this knows what is going on and sort of keep an unspoken agreement to never speak of it. On another note, should our Panjab itself also invest and build up an arms manufacturing industry for economic reasons? We had one previous to goray turning up.
  44. 2 points
    This is more like an infomercial than a comedy.....lol
  45. 2 points
    I watched it a bit NE0, I didn't find it that funny. Maybe I watched the wrong video? (will try some more) I grew up in England. At this stage of my Iife I find that I like my humour seriously dark and twisted. It's got to be offensive on some level. lol This just seems like white girls saying what every woke man knows (or should know!) about white men but still enjoying all the perks and privileges. Now, if they grabbed one and beat him about the head with a pool cue and then rammed it up his ar5e ala Sopranos, and filmed that - then I'd be impressed. Plus these aussies: those b1tches great grandpa was probably some serial paedo rapist that the english loaded up on a 'transport' boat over here and shipped out over there in the 1800s. I prefer stuff like Andrew Schulz, Jimmy Carr, Jim Jefferies (even that Canadian b1tch Katherine Ryan who seems to have made a full time career off british comic panel shows) and whatnot. Paul Chowdhry is good too, but you never know when these brown b@stards are going to sell out their roots for the next big upward move of the career ladder - but probably more likely is them reaching that point in their 'ascent' that the average brown c**t at ground level (who used to be their bread and butter) can't relate to them anymore. Just like that 'Superwoman' from your country. {That's an example of the kind of warped humour I like btw!]
  46. 2 points
    Thank you for this one. It is more clear than any of the previous ones for a ' niyaana' like me. Thanks. now i may find my steps further.
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  48. 2 points
    Very good demonstration that i was pleased to see. The above "core-self" is a very good place to sit your surti . Highly recommended when trying to get deeper into naad.
  49. 2 points
    Outside of nitnem, isn't the rest of Gurbani an expansion/elaboration of this? I think because we are used to certain styles of written communication in English, we may sort of expect similar styles in Gurbani, but it doesn't appear to work like that from what I can gather. It's very subtle, it's not like a lot of Abrahamic stuff that appears to be direct. Because we are dealing with the subconscious and deeply concealed aspects of the munh, it has to be approached differently. Diverting and dealing with the munh (which any of us who have tried to practice simran can see clearly has a mind of it's own), isn't an easy task. So Gurbani goes beyond overtly conscious thought and tries to tap into more deeply rooted, hidden aspects of our psychology. I don't think we can reach those parts with overt, explicit directives like other faiths try to do. My personal experiences has been that it soothes and calms the psyche - I might be wrong but it seems like a device to help prep the mind for better naam-simran? We have elaboration by Bhai Gurdas which elucidates things in layman's terms. I think the archaic use of the word 'sublime' may help explain the way Gurbani interacts with the practitioner. And because we are all at different stages (probably due to karma), it wouldn't make sense to create a sort of explicit manual for this. This is what makes it so different to Abrahamic thinking. It tries to elicit something subtle but powerful already within that we are alienated from, rather than pour something inside of us. It's not a simple thing from what I can gather, on a human front we are dealing with higher cognitive functioning here, but then trying go beyond that. I don't claim to know it all, because it is sooooo deep. So please feel free to disagree. This is just how it seems to me right now. And I say this knowing full well, that I'm full of my own augunhs too, and struggle with them.
  50. 2 points
    Lucky

    Gods fear or friendship

    Below is something I wrote some time ago as I explained to my kids, about Fear and how nir-bhau means no fear. We shouldn't have FEAR because it's a negative emotion and a negative character trait. Negative emotions from mind, lead to negative affects on body and soul. Anger, anxiety, guilt, worry, chinta, etc. are all negative emotions. Gurbani says Nirbhau Nirvair, Nir-bhau meaning No fear. If we want to go on the path to God, then we have to be like him and show no fear. So, what is this "fear" of God all about? Should we worry about hukam of God and be in fear? Should we be frightened of his power and greatness? This "Fear" or ਭੈ is somewhat misunderstood.. FEAR, ਭੈ The fear that we all understand is usually about "being scared of an outcome". Frightened and worrying to move ahead in fear of something negative occurring It's a human emotion triggered by a perceived threat. For eg. If I had to walk across field with snakes and dogs, then I would also "fear" getting bitten or attacked. If I had to cross over the road with eyes closed, then I'd have fear of a negative outcome and getting hit by a vehicle.. This is negative trait, because I'm fearing the OUTCOME and possibility. What will actually occur as an outcome will be in line with hukam, yet, this is what I'm fearing. I'm fearing the truth. I'm fearing the will of God. I'm not living by "therah bhaana mitta" (your will is sweet). What Fear is gurbani telling us about then? The "fear" in gurbani is about the Ghulam(head servant) serving his master or Dog serving his master There is a difference between this ਭੈ (Fear) that we should have for God. In asa di vaar. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਅਗਨਿ ਕਢੈ ਵੇਗਾਰਿ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ agan kadẖai vegār. In the Fear of God, fire is forced to labor. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਦਬੀ ਭਾਰਿ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ ḏẖarṯī ḏabī bẖār. In the Fear of God, the earth is crushed under its burden. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਇੰਦੁ ਫਿਰੈ ਸਿਰ ਭਾਰਿ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ inḏ firai sir bẖār. In the Fear of God, the clouds move across the sky. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਰਾਜਾ ਧਰਮ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ rājā ḏẖaram ḏu▫ār. In the Fear of God, the Righteous Judge of Dharma stands at His Door. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੂਰਜੁ ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਚੰਦੁ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ sūraj bẖai vicẖ cẖanḏ. In the Fear of God, the sun shines, and in the Fear of God, the moon reflects. ਕੋਹ ਕਰੋੜੀ ਚਲਤ ਨ ਅੰਤੁ ॥ Koh karoṛī cẖalaṯ na anṯ. They travel millions of miles, endlessly. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸਿਧ ਬੁਧ ਸੁਰ ਨਾਥ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ siḏẖ buḏẖ sur nāth. In the Fear of God, the Siddhas exist, as do the Buddhas, the demi-gods and Yogis. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਡਾਣੇ ਆਕਾਸ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ ādāṇe ākās. In the Fear of God, the Akaashic ethers are stretched across the sky. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੋਧ ਮਹਾਬਲ ਸੂਰ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ joḏẖ mahābal sūr. In the Fear of God, the warriors and the most powerful heroes exist. ਭੈ ਵਿਚਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਵਹਿ ਪੂਰ ॥ Bẖai vicẖ āvahi jāvėh pūr. In the Fear of God, multitudes come and go These verses from asa tell us that the sun shines by rising and setting. The moon reveals it's reflection on an ongoing regular basis. They do this in the 'bhai' . The sun doesn't decide to not come out one day, neither does the moon and neither do any of the other mentions in following pangtees. This FEAR in gurbani is similar to the "Ghulam" (ਗੁਲਾਮੁ), Ghulam is head servant of house. ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਗੁਲਾਮੁ ਘਰ ਕਾ ਜੀਆਇ ਭਾਵੈ ਮਾਰਿ ॥੨॥੧੮॥੬੯॥ Kahi Kabīr gulām gẖar kā jī▫ā▫e bẖāvai mār. ||2||18||69|| Says Kabeer, I am the slave of Your home; I live or die as You will. ||2||18||69|| and ਜੇ ਰਾਜਿ ਬਹਾਲੇ ਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਲਾਮੁ ਘਾਸੀ ਕਉ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਢਾਈ ॥ Je rāj bahāle ṯā har gulām gẖāsī ka▫o har nām kadẖā▫ī. If the Lord were to set me upon a throne, I would still be His slave. If I were a grass-cutter, I would still chant the Lord's Name. I believe the rich masters used to go and purchase house servants, just like the white men purchased black African slaves. The white man called this head slave the "house negroe" similar to the Ghulam. (the role Samuel Jackson plays in "Django'"). BIG DIFFRENCE between this servant and ordinary naukar or white mans field slave, is that the ghulam was allowed in Master's bedroom and everywhere master went. Ghulam is constantly at the beck and call of master. He is totally committed and submissive to his Master's needs. He has many privileges, such as being dressed nicely and eating what he wishes by having the house cook make meals for him. This servant builds respect and love for his master because the master takes care of him in every way. ALL his requirements and needs are seen to, as long as he's submissive to master. The "fear" that the servant has of master isn't negative, but it is fear of being under the power of master. Since master is the doer and provider for him. He doesn't have to worry or think what or if he may eat or drink the following day, or when he'll bathe and what he'll wear...etc. because he knows the master will be taking care of this. In same way, God takes care of meeting our human needs as long as we remain submitted to his hukam. This is the "bhai"... the "fear" that we should have for him. This fear is ego-less and not negative. It's about having the faith and knowing that the all powerful is doing everything as long as servant continues serving. Gurbani mentions the faithful dog and master. The dog fears no one else except his master. ਹਮ ਕੂਕਰ ਤੇਰੇ ਦਰਬਾਰਿ ॥ Ham kūkar ṯere ḏarbār. I am a dog at Your Court, Lord. ਸਗ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੀਬਾਨ ਮਸਤਾਨਾ ਨਿਤ ਚੜੈ ਸਵਾਇਆ ॥ Sag Nānak ḏībān masṯānā niṯ cẖaṛai savā▫i▫ā. Nanak is a dog in the Court of the Lord, intoxicated more and more, all the time.
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