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  1. 9 points
    If I agree with what someone has said I will like. Please don't lecture me on what I should and shouldn't like. I'm not aware of liking any post with nindaya and recall only liking one post today by Sukh_preet where I agree with her view about sharing. This whole topic is about sharing. I find it annoying when people come on here and say don't share and try and discourage others from talking further. As if they are the naam simran police. It's so demotivating and infusing paranoia into people's head to think negative and watering the seeds of doubt (bahm). No one is forcing anyone to share what they don't want to and those that do are happy to do so. We will never learn if we don't ask. I am personally grateful for the cyber sangat I have met on this forum. Some I've now become good friends with and have met personally. If people got access to mahapursh by all means go have 1-to-1 conversations and keep your conversations gupt as you please. There is no need to be post in this topic. None of us here claim to be experts. Just simple Sikh brothers and sisters walking on the path and trying to help where we can like we wished we had when we were starting out. We don't have all the answers and sometimes keep quiet if we don't know. We may be able to direct you to someone who may know but there is no pressure on anyone to do anything. Some people just have allergic reactions when anything spiritual is discussed as if some major sin is being committed. This forum broke the taboo topic of experiences. Those of us who shared aren't suffering or regret talking about it. Any shortcomings are our own or were supposed to be a passing phenomena, not because we talked about it and Waheguru took it away. Experiences come and go. It is very disappointing to see newcomers coming onboard seeking advice, only to be discouraged about sharing something that maybe troubling. I think it is sad since it may have taken them courage to write and post in the first place. I've seen the same members do it again and again. If you don't believe in sharing keep out of the this topic. Stop enforcing your views on others. We have all had some kind of experience whether big or small. When you first encounter something strange and out of the ordinary it does trouble you. If it happens again well and good. If it doesn't then no big deal either, just stop being negative about it. Just keep moving forward. Where is the average Sikh supposed to go who are not associated with any Jathabandi or those who respect all Jathabandi but are not attached to any? We Sikhs are our own worst enemy at times, constantly trying to pull each other down from the legs trying to hinder progress through indirect negativity, rather than encouraging each other and saying keep climbing. Where are we going to learn about naam, simran or bhagti? It certainly isn't discussed in 99% of Gurdwaras near me. I'm pleased to say this forum is one great resource for those interested on the path of naam simran. No one is on a ego trip or judgemental of those who wish to do naam simran. Everyone helps where they can and encourages where possible. There is so much knowledge contained on this site with links that has taken years to accumulate. We didn't have a clue where to look years ago. It was like searching for a needle in a haystack of where one should begin. What technique should one adopt as a beginner? What was the sounds, tastes, smells in our heads? Why was our bodies shaking etc? So many brothers and sisters came forward and said to hell with this hidden gupt view, stood up and said we are not afraid to talk about it and are having similar experiences and issues. We want to learn, share and make progress. As we found more information on the path we shared so other's don't waste time searching like we had to. Hopefully what is being shared is helping those start their journey quicker than if everyone was working at it alone. So much time is wasted looking for answers or direction. Bravo friends, God bless you all.... Waheguru kirpa karan.
  2. 8 points
    I pretty much never intervene in conflict but I think it’s necessary right now This portion of the site is dedicated to sharing experiences. Simple. No arguments, no treguni posts. Nothing. If you guys want to discuss something, send each other a personal message. That’s what a lot of us do. We talk directly with each other in private conversations. I would recommend doing the same, especially if it’s a personal issue. People who don’t believe in sharing their spiritual experiences, also usually believe in not reading about them either. People who don’t share, typically feel susceptible to their ego feeding off of the compliments. People who don’t read, don’t want their mind tricking them during their own meditation. I understand where some of you come from. That’s why if you share, make sure you remember it’s waheguru within you experiencing waheguru. And nothing more. And if you read experiences, make sure you do your bhagti in gurmat with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as your reference. Sharing will help you verify the validity. Sharing is what helped me progress. @Sat1176kept me accountable and @Lucky gave me guidance. We moved together as a family and all made progress. We all came to this site as beginners with little to no experience. We did not argue, fight or compete against each other. We cared and lifted each other with compassion. We changed each others lives for the better because we shared openly, kept each other accountable, shared our knowledge and made sure each and every one of us was doing well and on track. It was our love for one another that kept our bhagti strong. It’s hard to believe this family was formed over 6 years ago. Time really flies. That being said, I want this argument to end here. If you need to say something to one another, send a direct message. But I’m hoping the posts after this post will solely be about experiences and guidance rather than small talk and arguments. I want you guys to treat each other with love and respect. You are a sangat parivaar. Your bhagti will thank you later.
  3. 4 points
    Kudi hoke 2-3 vaari Sorry, apologize bolgi agli. Hor kedi dust leni Tu veere?? Sangat here is really helpful. We should not bring our egos in between. Anyway I was planning to share an experience here today and let's bring the thread to it's real form. As moorakh bhn shared levels of amrit Rass yesterday, I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. Waheguru
  4. 4 points
    Bhen ji i do apologise if i have upset anyone with the post i made. I do like it a lot the threads and all the hard work thats been put in by our satkaryog members on here. But it was just the things i had heard in katha that made me say what i wrote. I am not a expert on this subject so do forgive me if i have written anything to offend or upset anyone.
  5. 4 points
    Mooorakh

    Sleep during meditation

    Baba Nand Singh ji was very high ' kamai' soul ofcourse, who had janms of Naam Dhan. His practices were more ' yogic' - we are not ' kinka' equivalent- so if we follow not sleeping for days ( years is obviously far unimaginable) we would loose some brain nerves or mental balance - for that matter. We can't even think of following his life style like shedding Maya totally ( he never touched money- left family- wore negligible clothes- even in super cold weather, ate nothing for days). This is like Dhanna ji or Namdev ji who took their elders words' literally and sat to ensure that Thakur would eat ( laavo bhog Har Rai) - similarly Baba Nand Singh ji took it literally that Gurmukhs never sleeps.. and Waheguru being ' bhaav Bhagat ka bhookha' got them across!! I wish we were also away from these ' chaturaaiyaa' and meet our Gopal with such 'bhole bhaav'...
  6. 4 points
    Sat1176

    Sleep during meditation

    I still believe that you need rise above any body awareness yet mind stays awake. How to get there is the challenge.
  7. 4 points
    Sajjan_Thug

    Going across Bhavsagar

    When the child at the time of birth comes out of the mother’s womb, the connection between the mind and the Creator at the umbilicus center gets severed. This end is called mool (the root). This forms one shore of the Bhavsagar. Gurbani says: mUl duAwrY bMiDAw bMDu ] At the root, the shore of Bhavsagar is controlled (like a dam). (SGGS 1159) The other shore of bhavsagar is located between the eyes (where there is an edge of sehaj sunn); the flow of vital air (pawan) keeps changing. On opening of the nine doors and vital air entering in through mouth. The mind then merges with the air. This spot forms the other shore of the Bhavsagar. shj guPw mih Awsxu bwiDAw ] After crossing the Bhavsagar, the mind sits in the cave of celestial bliss. (SGGS 370) The space between Dharan (belly button) and upper end of the Sukhmana channel is called Bhavsagar. duhw isirAw kw Awip suAwmI ] KylY ibgsY AMqrjwmI ] He Himself is the Master of both ends (Bhavsagar). He plays and He enjoys; He is the Inner-knower, of hearts. (SGGS 277) The Supreme Father maintains His subtle spiritual connection and union with the mind through the vital breath. So we have to engage in Waheguru (Guru’s shabad) Simran completely attuning and absorbing our consciousness in the vital air. Inhaling we have to chant ‘Wahe’ and listen attentively to the sound produced (dhun). When exhaling, chant ‘Guru’and listen to the sound with focused awareness. Thus chanting Gurmantra when inhaling and exhaling, wall of falsehood (between the mind and the supreme soul) will be demolished and the mind will cross over to the fourth dimension. (Chautha paad) Thus crossing the ocean of worldly desires, ambitions and craving (Bhavsagar). Rom Rom Simran: Consciousness manifests in every cell of the human body. It is this consciousness that yums (the minions of death) snatch out at the time of death. This results in agonizing pain. To escape this agony all manmukhs pray for mercy. But to escape Yums noose, we have to do rom rom Simran; so that, we can master the technique of withdrawing our consciousness from our cells and bring it back at will. In this way we can freely go to and come back from our Nij ghar (The Tenth Door, home of mind). This Simran (rom, rom Simran) is done only after one has become an adept in swaas, giraas technique (inhale, exhale method). In this method when surat (consciousness) has become attuned to the Shabad, breathing is briefly held and the sound of Gurmantra (Waheguru) is synchronized with the heartbeat. This will cause every cell to vibrate and resonate with the beat of the sound current of Gurmantra synchronized with the heartbeat. Gradually, every thing that one will come in contact with will seem to be chanting ‘Waheguru, Waheguru’in spontaneous and continuous stream of divine sound. This method of Simran is called ‘rom, rom simran.’ about this Gurbani says: gurmuiK roim roim hir iDAwvY The Gurmukh meditates on the Lord with every cell of his body. (SGGS 941) roim roim rivAw hir nwmu The Lord's Naam permeates each and every cell. (SGGS 1144)
  8. 4 points
    Lucky

    Confused about Kundalini /Rom Rom

    Satsriakal ji . I hope you find answers to help clear doubts Yes, we want to go upwards from mooldhara. There is a lot of dormant energy there and the idea is to direct it upwards. This technique is good also and makes sure that the "flow' is upwards. I've come across a few people that have successfully got to anhad using this technique...so give it a try and see how you get on. Personally, I used the saas graas "wahe" in and "guru" out technique. I wrote some detailed instructions some years ago on the meditation thread if you've come across it. Mooldhara- I'll give you my personal understanding from learning and experience. I don't recommend putting dhyian there, if anything, you could start with putting a little awareness on the navel as per saas graas instructions at first. This helps during first stages when the sevak is trying to build a repetitive maan-dhan habit for doing simran. Once you get going, then the dhyian should be on the dhun of gurmantar only whilst doing saas graas... Hope that clarifies a little.
  9. 3 points
    https://www.trtworld.com/asia/only-hindus-will-prevail-suspected-radical-fires-at-protesters-in-india-33415 Suspected Hindu nationalist attacks anti-government sit-in in India's capital New Delhi, police say, just days after an armed attacker opened fire on a protest rally, hitting a student in the hand. “Humare desh mein aur kisi Ki nahi chalegi. Bas Hinduon Ki chalegi.”
  10. 3 points
    Soulfinder

    Guru Hargobind And Painde Khan

    Dass found the saakhi by Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawale and its the best as no one can tell a saakhi like Sant Ji. Here is a mp4 just in case if it gets deleted at 2:50 onwards Chooth _ Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale ( 360 X 360 ).mp4
  11. 3 points
    Verily true Brother. Their present bad character is due to their past karam, and they being vegetarinas in this life, is only to not go with heavy karam when departing from this plane of consciousness, and while being bastards in this life, is also bad karam which undoubtedly they will have to pay for. Nothing goes un-noticed in Nature, howsoever microscopic or hidden, each action commited has its reaction, whether by thought, deed or verbal. Sat Sree Akal.
  12. 3 points
    First of all I started my post with apologies cos I knew I was going to say something u both won't agree to as per ur conversation but veer soulfinder did I say u annoyed or upset me? I respect you and u always talk about saints so I just reminded u of one the bachans of Baba Nand Singh ji. I am sorry if u felt otherwise. And Prabhtej ji I don't know much about u, again I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Whatever I said was said on your face and not behind ur back, so Ninda of course it's not. U are mistaken on the concept. I jumped in ur conversation because I thot that I might direct you guys towards the correct path( as per my understanding) as your conversation didn't seem correct to me but if u felt hurt again I apologise and would request you to follow ur beliefs. Rab raakha
  13. 3 points
    I m sorry, I don't agree. If you would not share how would you know - what was it that happened with you. How would we have forums like this??. If sat Veerji would have not shared his sweet taste in mouth experience or Anhad sounds and lucky Veerji too or his servant Veerji about auras- I would have never been motivated towards this path.. Thanku @HisServant veer , @Sat1176 @Lucky @Still nascent for not thinking like these people. And waheguru ji is not stupid to take away your Bhakti or lessen it - if you are motivating others on this path. @Soulfinder u talk so much about Sants? Haven't you heard Baba Nandsingh Ji's bachan- Joran tu Vadda koi punn nahi te Toran tu Vada koi paap nahi
  14. 3 points
    Its sickening of what is happening in the outside world especially for the young victims who are from dysfunctional families where nobody has tried to understand the victims thoughts or state of mind. Then they end up in this web of hell.
  15. 3 points
    I agree that evil must be confronted and challenged. I think some active members of our quom has been doing this admirably for a while now - in spite of massive challenges and powerful institutes constantly trying to undermine and obfuscate their efforts . I think forming alliances like you suggest is a very bad idea, because we have no idea of the motives and backgrounds of the external people who might act like allies but have other agendas. And I can guarantee some of those who will latch on will be informants planted by various agencies (including some sections of the police) inimical to the Sikh community trying to address this issue. It would only take one or two rotten eggs to completely defame us and set back the progress we have made. Then the issue just gets sidelined and dismissed as one only extremists are concerned with, whereas it is clearly a matter many people in the panth, from all sorts of backgrounds are concerned about. From your average mona to Amritdharis and all the spectrum in between. This is a very common tactic that has been used against us for decades now - we have to be wise to it. The ideal situation is a cultural shift amongst our entire community in problem nations. What we really need to aim for is awareness and vigilance that starves the predators of their victims. We need girls to not get themselves into these situations in the first place! This can only be achieved by education; not only of those who might be targeted but also wider family members in terms of how they raise their children. We also need to tweak attitudes which are so lost in the rat race for material gain and success (understandably) that they do not feel the sense of panthic ekta that they should, and only act concerned when problems hit them close to home. Often such people will sweep issues they have experienced within their families under the rug in order to keep up some facade of being successful and not having problems. Right now we frequently have this coy, prudish attitude towards the matter (although this appears to be slowly changing). Some family elders seem reluctant to broach the issue because it is contentious and perceived to be a 'dirty' subject they would rather avoid. This has to change, and I believe it is changing - though it could be faster. Another key issue I think we need to address concurrently is the taboo matter of sexual abuse within our community, within families or family friends. I think Bhai Mohan Singh of the SAS has done good, pioneering work in this respect. These things are vastly underreported in all communities, especially conservative ones. In addressing external predators we shouldn't forget sweeping up under our own beds [manji] (as the Panjabi saying goes).
  16. 3 points
    Ragmaala

    Sleep during meditation

    Exactly. We cannot copy them. Mahapurush have different roles and duties in this world, they are sent by Nirankar Himself for certain objectives. We as householders need proper sleep, diet, exercise, and kirat to fulfill our duties and roles and to meet Nirankar ji.
  17. 3 points
    Mooorakh

    SIKHI AND HAIR

    One more thing you are very lucky to find an Amridhari man in your life, who not only looks like but is a Sikh. ( living with him you can see how difficult it is to maintain that in today's society. - but if he's loyal to his Guru how loyal would he be to u) value him. Our society has always put woman at a lower position than men.. We in this era fight for equality ( outside) but inside long for safety in our man's arms. Guru Sahib in our bani also consider himself as a woman and all jeev as woman where only Lord- Waheguru- Almighty is the man. Bani teaches us all the Importance of being HUMBLE. It's easy for us woman to be humble and surrender to THE MAN - THE LORD and easily swim across this Bhavsagar because our society has made us like that( only if we don't rebel inside/) and this is a boon in disguise. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.speakingtree.in/blog/nivan-suakhar/m-lite Hers a sisterly advice for all " Women" who wishes to please their " Husband" - SGGS JI ang 1384
  18. 3 points
    Sat1176

    Dieing in the Shabad

  19. 3 points
    Soulfinder

    Going across Bhavsagar

    @Sajjan_Thugreally good thread you have made veer ji. Here is a pauri from sri anand sahib ji that reminded daas of the thread title ਮਾਤਾ ਕੇ ਉਦਰ ਮਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ਕਰੇ ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮਨਹੁ ਵਿਸਾਰੀਐ ॥ Maathaa Kae Oudhar Mehi Prathipaal Karae So Kio Manahu Visaareeai || He nourished us in the mother's womb; why forget Him from the mind? ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੮):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੧੮ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਮਨਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਵਿਸਾਰੀਐ ਏਵਡੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਜਿ ਅਗਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਆਹਾਰੁ ਪਹੁਚਾਵਏ ॥ Manahu Kio Visaareeai Eaevadd Dhaathaa J Agan Mehi Aahaar Pahuchaaveae || Why forget from the mind such a Great Giver, who gave us sustenance in the fire of the womb? ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੮):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੧੮ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਓਸ ਨੋ ਕਿਹੁ ਪੋਹਿ ਨ ਸਕੀ ਜਿਸ ਨਉ ਆਪਣੀ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਵਏ ॥ Ous No Kihu Pohi N Sakee Jis No Aapanee Liv Laaveae || Nothing can harm one, whom the Lord inspires to embrace His Love. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੮):੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੦ ਪੰ. ੧੯ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਆਪਣੀ ਲਿਵ ਆਪੇ ਲਾਏ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਮਾਲੀਐ ॥ Aapanee Liv Aapae Laaeae Guramukh Sadhaa Samaaleeai || He Himself is the love, and He Himself is the embrace; the Gurmukh contemplates Him forever. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੮):੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੧ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਏਵਡੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮਨਹੁ ਵਿਸਾਰੀਐ ॥੨੮॥ Kehai Naanak Eaevadd Dhaathaa So Kio Manahu Visaareeai ||28|| Says Nanak, why forget such a Great Giver from the mind? ||28|| ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੮):੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੧ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਜੈਸੀ ਅਗਨਿ ਉਦਰ ਮਹਿ ਤੈਸੀ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ Jaisee Agan Oudhar Mehi Thaisee Baahar Maaeiaa || As is the fire within the womb, so is Maya outside. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੧ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੨ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਮਾਇਆ ਅਗਨਿ ਸਭ ਇਕੋ ਜੇਹੀ ਕਰਤੈ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥ Maaeiaa Agan Sabh Eiko Jaehee Karathai Khael Rachaaeiaa || The fire of Maya is one and the same; the Creator has staged this play. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੨ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਜਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਣਾ ਤਾ ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪਰਵਾਰਿ ਭਲਾ ਭਾਇਆ ॥ Jaa This Bhaanaa Thaa Janmiaa Paravaar Bhalaa Bhaaeiaa || According to His Will, the child is born, and the family is very pleased. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੩ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਲਿਵ ਛੁੜਕੀ ਲਗੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਅਮਰੁ ਵਰਤਾਇਆ ॥ Liv Shhurrakee Lagee Thrisanaa Maaeiaa Amar Varathaaeiaa || Love for the Lord wears off, and the child becomes attached to desires; the script of Maya runs its course. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੩ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਏਹ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਵਿਸਰੈ ਮੋਹੁ ਉਪਜੈ ਭਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ Eaeh Maaeiaa Jith Har Visarai Mohu Oupajai Bhaao Dhoojaa Laaeiaa || This is Maya, by which the Lord is forgotten; emotional attachment and love of duality well up. ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੫ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੪ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਜਿਨਾ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਤਿਨੀ ਵਿਚੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੨੯॥ Kehai Naanak Gur Parasaadhee Jinaa Liv Laagee Thinee Vichae Maaeiaa Paaeiaa ||29|| Says Nanak, by Guru's Grace, those who enshrine love for the Lord find Him, in the midst of Maya. ||29|| ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਅਨੰਦ (ਮਃ ੩) (੨੯):੬ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੯੨੧ ਪੰ. ੫ Raag Raamkali Guru Amar Das
  20. 2 points
    Jageera

    Guru Hargobind And Painde Khan

    Lol, even 10 years ago you were being rebuked for your hate. Looks like you never grew up babu.
  21. 2 points
    Jageera

    Guru Hargobind And Painde Khan

    What is this mental patient barking about,I wasnt even talking to him and his fanatic hindutva madness took over.Pity his keyboard. I love everyone who doesn't go around killing and raping. And whats for sure is I dont need your permission to love anyone.I don't hate muslims just because they are muslims. I pity you jaikara...pretending to be a Sikh for years yet Sikhi can't seem to seep into your heart.You are just a hate filled fanatic who is most capable of rape and murder himself.I bet you don't even see muslims as fellow humans. You have the same mentality of those who committed the 1984 anti-Sikh genocide, the same fundamentalist hate and sheep mentality swallowing up what hate others spew. Seriously what the hell are you doing here? Ask yourself. I think you are better off on some bajrang dal forum where you and the other lunatics can have a group orgy of hate,murder and rape.Seriously go get some professional help before you end up committing some heinous hate crime.
  22. 2 points
    All good Veerji. Hope your return here is permanent
  23. 2 points
    Release of Dopamine in the brain by Meditation ( I read about it somewhere on this forum itself) brings happiness and joy. ( Nanak bhagta sadaa vigaas)
  24. 2 points
    I've been spending a lot of time recently observing how people react to conflict and other situations of tension. And I'm starting to see how carrying a certain perspective can either make or break your spirituality. Whether this perspective taking is developed through bhagti or whether you need to develop this perspective to do bhagti is beyond me (like what came first, the chicken or the egg?). But I've summarized it into a few different categories. Disclaimer: this is not a complete list and is solely based on where my current understanding of the world sits. I'm just sharing what my current perspective on human behaviour is. 1. Complete duality - During this stage, a seeker has absolutely zero perspective taking ability. Does not understand that the other person has distinct thoughts and feelings. The focus is solely on the actions of the other individual. Children often express this at the earliest stage of their development. As for adults, they may have developed and have a higher understanding, but the veil of ego is so deep that they do not understand the views of the other. During this phase, a person is susceptible to the most amount of conflict and/or hurt feelings. I feel like this is where people often sit when they start fights, lash out, throw chairs and get malicious... or are in a lot of emotional pain and grief by the actions of others. "I am completely separate from this person. This other person is angry. This person yells at me and makes me feel sad. This is a bad individual... etc". 2. Partial understanding - At this stage, the seeker understands that others have their own thoughts and feelings. Other people act according to their own thoughts and feelings. But the seeker still may not realize that those thoughts and feelings may be fuelled by an underlying set of desires or goals. This seems to often lead to people holding grudges, not communicating, pushing people they don't like away but the emotional pain from the actions of others is reduced. ie "This person is mad whenever I do not take off my shoes when I enter the house. These actions make them angry. And then they yell at me". 3. The beginning of perspective taking - At this stage, the seeker starts to understand that others have goals and desires that differ from them. People act according to those goals and desires. At this stage, a seeker would recognize that other people are angry for a specific reason. And they may work on avoiding the things that make that person feel a certain way. ie "This individual wants to keep their floor clean because their desire is to have a clean house. Therefore, if someone dirties their house, they get angry. I should take off my shoes whenever I enter their house so the floor does not get dirty". But the seeker may still react negatively if their is confrontation for a mistake on their behalf. ie If the seeker accidentally walks into the house with their shoes on, instead of apologizing, they may still work to protect their own ego and possibly still lash out in a negative manner". 4. A deeper sense of perspective taking - At this point the seeker begins to understand that other people's thoughts, goals and desires are influenced by a variety of factors. This may include cultural, societal and other norms. The seeker understand that people are heavily influenced by their upbringing and the seeker begins to put themself in the shoes of the other. And realize if they had been in that persons shoes, they may feel the same way. And this is where I see empathy *begins* to develop. And there is remorse for certain actions taken on behalf of the seeker. ie "If I also had the desire to keep my house clean and someone dirtied it, I would also feel angry." And instead of lashing out, there is remorse and a seeker would rather apologize for something accidental, instead of protecting their own ego. 5. Complete perspective taking - By complete, I don't mean this is the final point. I think the understanding of differing perspectives is infinite. But I believe this stage is satisfactory enough to understand where others come from in their actions, reactions and feelings. At this point a seeker understands that the factors which influence a persons thoughts, goal and desires goes beyond cultural and social norms. There are also past experiences, traumas, neglect, differing stages of maturity, and possibly an infinite amount of other factors influencing the other persons mentality. Some of these factors may be known and easily understandable, but others may be a lot harder to pinpoint and may not be observable at a surface level. ie "This person gets angry when their house is dirtied. If I accidentally dirty their house, I should clean up myself so I can respect their desire to keep their house clean." But also at this point the seeker may also be able to understand behaviours that are not normal. For example in the case where someone has OCD or is anti-social. Instead of being weirded out, they may be able to understand that maybe this person suffers from trauma or neglect. And their thoughts and feelings over certain situations are beyond their control. I see this as especially important in intimate relationships because you really get to know another person. If a partner has certain behaviours or reactions that are seen as very abnormal. The seeker would understand that these may be a result of issues from early childhood. 6. "There is no difference between you and I" - I know this may be a big jump. But I see this as a higher level of understanding where the seeker realizes that every person is physically just flesh and bones. If the seeker had the same life experiences, culture, and even past life karams as the other person... there is almost a complete certainty that they would react in the same was as the other person. There is a lot of freedom when the mind sits with this mentality. 7. Nothing exists outside of God - At this point, it's no longer a level of educational understanding. But spiritual awakening and inner realization. Where the seeker see's Waheguru's jot within every person. And see's the world as Waheguru's doing. All the plays of karma are Wahegurus doing. Again, this is more of a spiritual experience rather than a state of intellectual knowledge. I know the examples that I provides are pretty basic but I think it could easily be applied to other, more complex situations. ie a cult leader. - This person may be lonely, neglected as a child and be seeking attention. - They want to act as a guiding figure for other people but may completely misunderstand what other peoples wants and needs are. This list is infinite. But again, this is just my understanding at this point. I know it will get deeper and more complex as there is more spiritual growth.
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    Thank you Sarabatam jio for your efforts. Yes!~ I have utmost respect for Satguru Sahib Gobind Singh Ji Khalsa Mahraaj. His bani contains the absolute truth.
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    Really good thread here is a short katha clip i found today by Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawale on lying which was really good on how big the paap is of lying Chooth _ Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale ( 360 X 360 ).mp4
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    God is one, basic principles are same among all religions , then why some religions (Christian , Muslim etc.) allow to eat meat? Regarding the topic of this present thread, that much I could say : Satgur bajoh hor kachee hae Bani. In one of the 10 commandments of christianism, it is said : Thou shall not kill. It does not say do not kill men, or u can kill animals, it just says: thou shall not kill. For any killing implicates creating "karam". The law of karma, is not known nor accepted by many, yet it is verily true. Then too, not only the basics of any dharam count, but after that, the higher teachings are very important also as per Gurmat, in order to reach that ultimate reality of Waheguru. Creation is imperfect and has to continue running like that somehow, and its explanations maybe out of the reach of our limited minds, thus not accept the higher truths as per Gurbani. Our main duty is to have cleared up our minds with the aid of Gurbani in order to fulfill our objective in human life of merging our surtees in Him, and also do the needful and be helpful to all beings as nishkam seva, for in all resides His Jot. Rest is all His hukum, which we may never understand, until we merge in Him and become one with Him, the highest level of consciousness or chetanta. Sat Sree Akal.
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    The sun is going to rise from the west tomorrow as this is the first time i think i have ever agreed with kdsinghs post. Not taking any sides in this debated to death meat topic but just wanted to say that in my life experience some of the biggest b*st*rds,untrustworthy lowlife pieces of shit that I have come across were lifelong 100% vegetarian.And the most honest stand up people who helped me in life were non veg. This has convinced me that being veg has Nothing to do with spirituality or morality. This is what I strongly believe in as it is what I personally experienced. Gurfateh.
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    I think I know what you mean... They start off small from distance and get bigger as if you moving into them or may appear as if waves are coming towards you. ALSO, the opposite can occur and they may appear bigge and get smaller. Appears as if they moving away from you ? Let me know if it's this?
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    Still nascent

    Sweet taste in mouth

    REPOSTING , I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. Waheguru
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    Diet of humans is decided by environment factors which are in total control of God. If God wanted humans to be vegetarians then why he did not create fertile land like northern India in whole world. It's almost impossible to be vegetarian in coastal areas , icy regions and middle East type desert . Apart from India nowhere we found vegetarianism in world .
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    Dass is always happy to help and another key point i have noticed in recent years is that always try to stay away from anyones eye when you are doing paath nitnem ardas as dass gets migraines so there days i have to miss nitnem due to it. But coming back to the point is that if someone saw you doing paath they will say oh that person does paath and unlikeable comments which can also put nazar on the paath as the link connection gets wrecked and it can be hard if not impossible to get back into it. Your dad has given you really good advice as these things need to be gupt or otherwise you will get people asking you do ardas for them and thats not a nice route over there trust me.
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    yeah, thats what i have observed.i cant seem to have that experience again.my father told me these things are not be shared and if u experience that again u tell me! i got really scared as i might have made a grave mistake. thank you very much for saving me from this mistake!
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    Veer ji from dass personal experience its best to keep as much as you can as there many examples of how people have lost their stages of simran as soon as they have mentioned anything personal. Like recently i mentioned i did this paath bani then i felt like i lost the spark inside to do any simran paath jaap etc.
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    Changa ji. Chal tu vi manla main musalmaan hoon. ISI da agent hoon main. Kush hoja manke. Main kise naal krodh nehi kita. Gussa aya si par fir samaj ageya kay eho je political topics che propaganda te cover up normal honda. Sanu kise ram ya syam da kuch lena dena nehi. Tusi jo kuch mann na twadi marji ji. Koi log sach de dushmaan haan eh gall vi sanu samaj aagi ji. Sat Sri Akaal ji.
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    Sat1176

    Sleep during meditation

    Bhai Dharamjit Singh explained the vidi to try and transcend sleep when it comes during meditation. Listen from 32 mins. Conclusion we want to do simran to get us to the point of sleepiness and then try and remain awake at the junction. May not be so easy as it sounds. Most of us don't know when that exact point comes.
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    harsharan000

    Timeless Wisdom

    MEDITATION AND PRAYER Meditation should not be confused with prayer -silent or vocal. A devotee prays in a temple, a shrine or at any place considered appropriate by him, while in meditation he worships in the sacred and stainless shrine of atma , which is independent of time , place and distance. Prayer is an earnest , humble request. In prayer, the devotee talks to the God, communicates his feelings,desires and gratitude to Him. In meditation, the devotee asks nothing of God ; he simply listens to the voice of God within. In prayer, he gets close to God , while in meditation he strives to become one with God. In prayer, a dualism between God and devotee exists; in meditation the apparent dualism eventually disappears. THEREFORE, IT IS BELIEVED BY SOME THAT MEDITATION IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PRAYER.
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    Mooorakh

    Enquiry On A Line Of Bani

    Haha .. that's how his game is..it was the same years ago and still same prevaing.. there are millions of stones and one among them is Paras to understand his game. Many coals and one diamond and so on. Guruji was that One who understood and made ' his own' people understand it.... Rest all are his playthings dying n taking birth in circles Why was Bhai Mardana ji not ' converted' by Guru Nanak Sahib or Sai Miya Mir ji or Painde Khan ( by Guru Hargobind Sahib) for that matter? His Bani tells Musalman to be ' mom dil' become a soft hearted person -- that is, he instructs them to be a good Muslim To Brahmins he says that call urself Brahmin and superior only if you realise Brahm. No where he tells them to 'convert' . We as Sikhs shouldn't believe in increasing numbers rather instilling ' values' but yes not everyone understands that.. as per ' his' game- hukam.
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    Mooorakh

    SIKHI AND HAIR

    Nahi nahi soulfinderVeerji... That may not be the case, just immature relationship issues ( lack of Vivek Buddh you see cos of social pressure- may be ) if she would not have been thankful or concerned she would have not made this post here.. It's an honest post where she has not ' glorified' her own deeds or even hidden her deed ( which we are perceiving as wrong- ) she could have mentioned 5-7 of her husband's flaws too (( we all know that he would have some as no one is perfect)), but she didn't. So I really appreciate her sincerity- I may have not been able to do that if I was her. .. @KIRNY25K- if u would have made this post in any other chat forum or in your kitty party group you may have found 20 supporters but here - sangat members are like your inner voices and we won't support your ego just because you are one of us - and you may feel bad. Count your blessings yaa, and learn to hear the real - YOU not your EGO-- not everyone is as lucky as us.. all u need is to hold the hands of Guru Sahib and take a first step towards spirituality - not the unreal pakhands but the inner Love towards Waheguru ji and he will lead you himself.. Waheguru
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    Mooorakh

    Enquiry On A Line Of Bani

    Wasn't the Bani of our Guru Sahib was enough for us to resolve "The purpose" of human life. The only reason for adding the bani of Kabir ji Farid ji Bhagat Trilochan, Bhagat Ravidas Dhanna ji Sain nai King Pipa Sadhna ji - a kasai - and 14 such in SGGS ji was to make us understand that It's not the jaat ( caste), creed, colour, religion, daily routine/ rituals you follow, work you do for living, country, social status etc that makes you meet the Lord only the love for your Lord ot prema Bhakti that matters.
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    A new realization emerged today -> The higher self is neither day nor night The higher self is neither left nor right... nor behind nor in front The higher self is neither man nor woman The higher self is neither human nor animal The higher self is neither cold nor hot The higher self is neither sound nor silence Shabad is heard within the mind, but who is the one perceiving shabad (anhad naad sounds)? Who is the one creating shabad? If the higher self were silence, who is the one who perceives the silence? Who is the one who creates the silence -------->>>>>>> If we are God, and God is us.... how can silence be God? We must be that thing that perceives both the silence and the noise God is right here, right now. The divine energy is manifest all around.
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    harsharan000

    Quotes from AMRIT BANI

    Question 14: Dear Guru Jee, why is it that inspite of all the regular practices and offerings to Waheguru I do not get even a glimplse of His darshan? Guru Jee : my dear sikh, listen carefully; if you really want to have His darshan, you have to discard all other practices which keep you away from Him, and faithfully and devotedly do the following as I say : ਦਸਵੈ ਦੁਆਰਿ ਕੁੰਚੀ ਜਬ ਦੀਜੈ ॥ Dhasavai Dhuaar Kunchee Jab Dheejai || When the key is inserted in the Tenth Gate, ਤਉ ਦਇਆਲ ਕੋ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੪॥ Tho Dhaeiaal Ko Dharasan Keejai ||24|| Then, the Blessed Vision of the Merciful Lord's Darshan is seen. * Note: the Tenth Gate referred by Guru Jee in the verses above, is located in the center above the 2 eyes; and the key which has to be used to open that Door and have His darshan, is His simran alone. SSA.
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    Jageera

    Battling Addiction with Gurbani

    Thanks Soulfinder Veerji for this gem. Now my Mool Mantar is always accompanied with this Salok. A different rhythm and emotion arises when it's read together with Mool Mantar.The emotion of begging,surrendering and asking for grace, to be spared from vices and everyday I stay away from vices,I know it's only possible because Maharaj has granted me this boon. I didn't do sava lakh jaap but at the beginning I was doing 1 mala of this with Mool Mantar daily. These days I do 1 mala whenever possible.
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    This bloke makes me laugh with his words of wisdom. His spoken Panjabi style is more familiar to me than the desi one I guess.
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    Veer ji its crazy stuff everytime i look on the news feeds social media its full of new problems developing.
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    You are my neighbor, I originally belonged to Marauli Kalan near Morinda, about 15 kms from Jatana. And yes, the village is spruced up before the recording.
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    @Sat1176 @Lucky @BhagatSingh I remember years ago (and even months ago) I used to complain to you guys about how getting to dhoor and blasting the mind out of the body was such a difficulty. But I can successfully say that it's almost as if it's a walk in the park now. Did about 5-10 mins of chanting simran with a friend the other day (in a noisy public place) and the mind was ready for blast off. I still get stuck in that middle point where it feels like the minds about to launch (but never does). But even getting to this point never felt possible. I'm just working on cutting down the amount of time it takes. There was even a day where it was almost immediate. But I think it takes roughly 5 mins on average (down from 2-4 hours when I was stuck in my bubble). Btw: this was some solid advice which I can finally follow now. Almost 4 years later. But one thing to note: I'm starting to realize, these blasts may not be a journey outside of the body... perhaps they're a journey inward?
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    @Jageeraveerji, . U see me on a pedestal which is actually a broken dabba- I keep falling from . On a serious note lemme share my latest discovery- I was going through 'Laava' and I realized that it's like Guru Sahib is describing the four stages to meet the Lord. ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥ soohee mehlaa 4. Soohee, Fourth Mehl: ਹਰਿ ਪਹਿਲੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਪਰਵਿਰਤੀ ਕਰਮ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ har pahilarhee laav parvirtee karam drirh-aa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. In the first round of the marriage ceremony, the Lord sets out His Instructions for performing the daily duties of married life. ਬਾਣੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਵੇਦੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਹੁ ਪਾਪ ਤਜਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ banee barahmaa vayd Dharam darirhHu paap tajaa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. Instead of the hymns of the Vedas to Brahma, embrace the righteous conduct of Dharma, and renounce sinful actions. ਧਰਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵਹੁ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਇਆ ॥ Dharam darirhHu har naam Dhi-aavahu simrit naam drirh-aa-i-aa. Meditate on the Lord's Name; embrace and enshrine the contemplative remembrance of the Naam. ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ satgur gur pooraa aaraaDhahu sabh kilvikh paap gavaa-i-aa. Worship and adore the Guru, the Perfect True Guru, and all your sins shall be dispelled. ਸਹਜ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਹੋਆ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਮਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ sahj anand ho-aa vadbhaagee man har har meethaa laa-i-aa. By great good fortune, celestial bliss is attained, and the Lord, Har, Har, seems sweet to the mind. ਜਨੁ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਲਾਵ ਪਹਿਲੀ ਆਰੰਭੁ ਕਾਜੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ jan kahai naanak laav pahilee aarambh kaaj rachaa-i-aa. ((1)) Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the first round of the marriage ceremony, the marriage ceremony has begun. ((1)) Second Laav ਹਰਿ ਦੂਜੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ har doojrhee laav satgur purakh milaa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. In the second round of the marriage ceremony, the Lord leads you to meet the True Guru, the Primal Being. ਨਿਰਭਉ ਭੈ ਮਨੁ ਹੋਇ ਹਉਮੈ ਮੈਲੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ nirbha-o bhai man ho-ay ha-umai mail gavaa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. With the Fear of God, the Fearless Lord in the mind, the filth of egotism is eradicated. ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਭਉ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਵੇਖੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਹਦੂਰੇ ॥ nirmal bha-o paa-i-aa har gun gaa-i-aa har vaykhai raam hadooray. In the Fear of God, the Immaculate Lord, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and behold the Lord's Presence before you. ਹਰਿ ਆਤਮ ਰਾਮੁ ਪਸਾਰਿਆ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸਰਬ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰੇ ॥ har aatam raam pasaari-aa su-aamee sarab rahi-aa bharpooray. The Lord, the Supreme Soul, is the Lord and Master of the Universe; He is pervading and permeating everywhere, fully filling all spaces. ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਏਕੋ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਮੰਗਲ ਗਾਏ ॥ antar baahar har parabh ayko mil har jan mangal gaa-ay. Deep within, and outside as well, there is only the One Lord God. Meeting together, the humble servants of the Lord sing the songs of joy. ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੂਜੀ ਲਾਵ ਚਲਾਈ ਅਨਹਦ ਸਬਦ ਵਜਾਏ ॥੨॥ jan naanak doojee laav chalaa-ee anhad sabad vajaa-ay. ((2)) Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the second round of the marriage ceremony, the unstruck sound current of the Shabad resounds. ((2)) Third Laav ਹਰਿ ਤੀਜੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਮਨਿ ਚਾਉ ਭਇਆ ਬੈਰਾਗੀਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ har teejrhee laav man chaa-o bha-i-aa bairaagee-aa bal raam jee-o. In the third round of the marriage ceremony, the mind is filled with Divine Love. ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਹਰਿ ਮੇਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਵਡਭਾਗੀਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ sant janaa har mayl har paa-i-aa vadbhaagee-aa bal raam jee-o. Meeting with the humble Saints of the Lord, I have found the Lord, by great good fortune. ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਆ ਮੁਖਿ ਬੋਲੀ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ nirmal har paa-i-aa har gun gaa-i-aa mukh bolee har banee. I have found the Immaculate Lord, and I sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. I speak the Word of the Lord's Bani. ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਪਾਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਕਥੀਐ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀ ॥ sant janaa vadbhaagee paa-i-aa har kathee-ai akath kahaanee. By great good fortune, I have found the humble Saints, and I speak the Unspoken Speech of the Lord. ਹਿਰਦੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਧੁਨਿ ਉਪਜੀ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਭਾਗੁ ਜੀਉ ॥ hirdai har har har Dhun upjee har japee-ai mastak bhaag jee-o. The Name of the Lord, Har, Har, Har, vibrates and resounds within my heart; meditating on the Lord, I have realized the destiny inscribed upon my forehead. ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੇ ਤੀਜੀ ਲਾਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਉਪਜੈ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਰਾਗੁ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥ jan naanak bolay teejee laavai har upjai man bairaag jee-o. ((3)) Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the third round of the marriage ceremony, the mind is filled with Divine Love for the Lord. ((3)) Fourth and Final Laav ਹਰਿ ਚਉਥੜੀ ਲਾਵ ਮਨਿ ਸਹਜੁ ਭਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ har cha-utharhee laav man sahj bha-i-aa har paa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. In the fourth round of the marriage ceremony, my mind has become peaceful; I have found the Lord. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਸੁਭਾਇ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਬਲਿ ਰਾਮ ਜੀਉ ॥ gurmukh mili-aa subhaa-ay har man tan meethaa laa-i-aa bal raam jee-o. As Gurmukh, I have met Him, with intuitive ease; the Lord seems so sweet to my mind and body. ਹਰਿ ਮੀਠਾ ਲਾਇਆ ਮੇਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਭਾਇਆ ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਈ ॥ har meethaa laa-i-aa mayray parabh bhaa-i-aa an-din har liv laa-ee. The Lord seems so sweet; I am pleasing to my God. Night and day, I lovingly focus my consciousness on the Lord. ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਫਲੁ ਪਾਇਆ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਜੀ ਵਾਧਾਈ ॥ man chindi-aa fal paa-i-aa su-aamee har naam vajee vaaDhaa-ee. I have obtained my Lord and Master, the fruit of my mind's desires. The Lord's Name resounds and resonates. ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਕਾਜੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ਧਨ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਿਗਾਸੀ ॥ har parabh thaakur kaaj rachaa-i-aa Dhan hirdai naam vigaasee. The Lord God, my Lord and Master, blends with His bride, and her heart blossoms forth in the Naam. ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬੋਲੇ ਚਉਥੀ ਲਾਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਅਵਿਨਾਸੀ ॥੪॥੨॥ jan naanak bolay cha-uthee laavai har paa-i-aa parabh avinaasee. ((4)(2)) Servant Nanak proclaims that, in this, the fourth round of the marriage ceremony, we have found the Eternal Lord God. ((4)(2)) So the first stage is where we start towards the first step of Dharam and unlike the 'world' find it SWEET- ( isn't that why we are here on this forum?? and both on stage I ( see- I told u so) Stage II Is as we hear ANHAD SOUNDS Stage III is when Gurmukhs can travel to Astral Worlds for SANT MANDLIs and sangat Stage IV is getting absorbed in the LORD - Being one with him
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