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    Difference between life and death is just one breath. Bhai Satnam S. Atwal passed away yesterday in Bakersfield (California, USA) during katha/kirtan The thin line between life and death.mp4 God bless his soul Sat Sree Akal.
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    Yes veer ji you are 100% right as it shows how important Brij Bhasha is especially as Suraj Parkash is also written in Brij Basha as well which has all of our itihaas written in. Waheguru Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji
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    Yet again Guru ji has blessed us linguistically. This will help us to learn Brij Bhasha of that time. Thank you Dasmesh Pita ji, yet again.
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    Bhen ji you are right all 3 of these banis are the same with the battle mentioned of Durga with the demons. I usually like reading Chandi Di Vaar,Shastar Naam Mala,Brahm Kavach alongside with these banis as they are new to me so i have to use audio tracks to repeat the pronouncation of the words. So far i have read Ugardanti which is another bir ras bani but in the same style as Shastar Naam Mala. Akal Ustat i read once in 9 days step by step. Bhaguti Astotar i used to read before but stopped recently as it has be read before sunrise amritvela. Its also best bhen ji to read Sukhmani Sahib after these banis as it helps keep the bir ras and shant ras hand in hand. I also heard in katha if you do 1 hour of dasam bani its best to do 1 hour Waheguru Simran to balance it out.
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    Very good observation bhen-ji, as Sunn and Sehaj are sometimes used interchangeably but are somewhat different if used in the appropriately. In the context of what you heard in that recording, what I understand he meant and stand to be corrected by more learned Gurmukhs is - Sunn is the stage of no-thoughts. Sometimes you can have no-thoughts (no chitter chatter in the mind) and still be consciously aware and sometimes you loose even your awareness. This later stage can also be called Sunn by some and Sehaj by others. Sehaj is state when you loose complete body consciousness/awareness and fall into a deep sleep like state. The head may lower and drop as if your dosing off. You are no longer aware you have a body or any of the physical body parts or senses. A deeper state of Sehaj is when body conscious is lost, mind awakens inside and still hears naam anhad shabad. This is referred to listening without ears, seeing without eyes, and walking without feet etc. The mind uses it's own faculties like we use when we are dreaming. However this time it's not in a dream, but you aware you are there. Obviously someone was falling asleep during simran or katha, and he wanted the person to remain awake and aware. Reason being from what I have heard, there multiple ways to go inwards, and you will hear about both approaches depending on the video. In one he will say going in with method 1, and in the other go with method 2. 1. First one jaaps gurmantar (start with bakhari (loud), madhma (whisper), and pasanti (mentally)) until a stage comes when thoughts stop and one goes into Sunn (thoughtless state) and then into Sehaj (sleep). A self induced sleep state, not just because your tired. It happens because the mind is becoming still. Because anhad is not being heard or awakened yet then mind naturally falls in this state. That is fine because as you go into Sunn/Sehaj and wait there, the mind gains strength and eventually anhad awakens the mind in that sleep/sehaj state and then you carry on that journey. 2. Jaap gurmantar, anhad sounds can be heard in the head or near the ears or above, keep gurmantar going in background slowly (also called Sehaj lol), but shift your attention/surti on to the anhad sounds. Follow the sounds inwards. Eventually a stage will come when the mind goes into Sehaj but also awakens and still hears the anhad sounds and inner journey continues along side the shabads. Both approaches require at lot of patience, faith and perseverance. The confusion comes is why is he stopping the person going into Sehaj if that is ultimately the goal. Reason being when one is sitting in Sangat of a Gurmukh then one should remain jagrath and take laha/gyan of what is being discussed and taught, not head into your own cave. This should be done in your own time, or if your specifically instructed to head that way by the Gurmukhs. It also aids in building stamina in maintaining dhyan, because it is all a game of "dhyan" in the later stages. How long can one keep their dhyan locked on Gurmantar, locked on anhad sounds, etc. You will find that mind likes to wonder off after some time because it or gets board and not sitting still and focused. Hope this answers your question and not confuse you further. I know I had these very same questions that went unanswered for many years. Only lately are things beginning to make sense with WaheGuru's grace. This bhagti marg is talked about in what appears to be cryptic encoded language, and I must say I find it rather annoying and unnecessary. Only after regular sangat do you begin to pick you the language of the saints. Listen to this one next. Especially the 3 questions and answers. You will see what I'm talking about. I shared them for a reason. Part of the gyan was indirectly shared in the Q&A.
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    Dhan Sri Maan Baba Attar Singh Ji Maharaj Gursagar Mastuana, March 15.
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    g pr.mp3g pr.mp3 Well! I am no poet to express my exact feelings but I love reading it. I will put a short clip thas how I can go on and on with it... The flow in which Guru Sahib goes on praising Lord. I simply can't express but keep on flowing... Falling in love..... And as for the Bhasha it's a kind of mixture of Hindi n Sanskrit.. Probably little Bhojpuri and Punjabi. As we read it.. It's understood. P. S. Got conscious as was aware of it being recorded. Never done before 14 Mar, 16.28.mp3
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    Finally got to start reading Kulwant Singh's translation of Sri Gursobha. It's a milestone for me, because it's only now that I feel I can actually read the Gurmukhi original in a half decent way (as in pronunciation - the vocab is still pretty tough and unfamiliar most of the time). Thanks to all the sangat here that helped with all my amateur translation efforts over the years and gave me encouragement in learning to read my prayers (which was the main thing that made me improve my reading skills). Chatanga - big up to you for all the effort you put in with translations, especially that epic Lassi and Cha thing.
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    Good grounding on Gurmantar simran.
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    Dhan Guru Nanak Tuhi Nirankar, March 21.
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    Sant Attar Singh ji

    1st Feb - Sant Attar Singh Ji's Bursi A truly great soul of the 20th Century.... After the annexation of Punjab to British Empire in 1849, very large number of weak minded Sikhs were converted to Christianity under the influence of Christian missionaries. The population of Sikhs declined to mere 8 lakhs and the situation was so grim that according to British Government intelligence reports, there will be no Sikh in this world by the year 1900, A.D. if this pace of conversion continued. At this critical time in the history of the Sikhs, Sant Attar Singh Ji was sent to this world by Almighty Wahe Guru to stem this tide of conversion of the Sikhs to Christianity. With the Grace of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sant Attar Singh Ji baptised about 14 lakh persons to Sikh faith in his life time. Population of Sikhs grew to 40 lakhs by the time Sant Ji left this mortal world. Sant Attar Singh Ji, the most widely known and respected great saint, was born on 28th March, 1867 A.D. in the village Chima of the erstwhile Jind State (Now in Sangrur District of Punjab) to father Baba Karam Singh Ji and mother Mata Bholi Kaur Ji. From his very childhood, Attar Singh showed signs of his future greatness. He loved quiet meditation. Even at the age offive years, he used to remain engrossed in meditation for long periods. At the age of seven, the young lad was sent to a village School but he respectfully replied that he would receive only that education which leads to realisation of truth. in 1885 A.D., young Attar Singh joined the army. He took "AMRIT" (baptism) from five beloved ones (Panj Pyaras) led by Bhai Jodh Singh, a priest in an Army Sikh Gurdwara. Under his guidance, Attar Singh Ji devoted his time in studying the sacred Sikh books and meditating on divine NAM. He was also very active and upto date in the military duties and attained the first portion in markmanship. News of his fathers death moved him to immerse in Divine Realm at the earliest. He decided to leave the service by getting himself changed from active service to reserve category. Then he proceded on foot from Dera Ghazi Khan (Now in Pakistan) to Historical Sikh Temple of Hazoor Sahib Nanded (Now in Maharashtra State). Guru Gobind Singh Ji breathed his last at this sacred Shrine. He spent about 2 years at Hazoor Sahib and during this period, he engaged himself in prolonged meditation and infinite number of Japji Sahib Path recitations without caring for food and rest. He used to spend whole night in deep meditation and recitation of Holy Nam. From Hazoor Sahib, he walked to Haridwar and Rishikesh (in U.P.) through thick forests. He spent about a year in deep and prolonged meditation at Rishi Kesh. From there, he set out on foot, along with Bhai Ram Singh of Thamali for Sialkot (now in Pakistan) via Dehradun, Paonta Sahib, Baru, Anand Pur Sahib, Una and Gurdas Pur. From Sialkot, he reached Amritsar and meditated constantly for 3 days on the third floor of Gurdwara Baba Atal. From there, he reached his home village and met his mother. On the persistent request of Sant Ji, she gave her consent for allowing him not to marry so as to enable him to be free to spend his life for the service of humanity in general and Sikh Panth in particular. Sant ji left his village Chima after three months. Since he was not formally discharged from Army as yet, he decided to submit himself before army authorities at Abbotabad in Rawal Pindi district (now in Pakistan)for completing formalities for final discharge from army. Colonel, the Commanding Officer of his unit appreciated his services and tried to persuade him not to leave the army service but Sant ji did not relent and was finally discharged from the army. Thus he became totally free to persue the Divine Mission in his life. On his way to Punja Sahib Gurdwara, he had vision of Ten Gurus. From there he went to Rawal Pindi to meet Bhai Ram Singh Ji. In consultation with him, he selected an isolated place of thick forest near village Kanoha for prolonged meditation. After conpletion of an Akhand Path (uninterrupted recitation of whole of Guru Granth Sahib), he resorted to prolonged meditations in three spells o 40 days, 6 months and then one year. During this period he used to take a very small quantity of food once a day only which was served by a devotee couple. As a result of these prolonged meditations, his body was reduced to a mere skeleton. From then on, he was respectfully known as Sant. His mother Mata Bholi ji developed an abscess near the knee joint which caused her lot of pain and sufferings. Sant ji an one to one meeting with her, explained the spirit of tolerance and accepting Will of God by concentrating on Divine Nam. She thus had realisation of spiritual Gyan (True knowledge). This realisation of one ness with God enabled her to overcome physical sufferings completely and attain exalted spiritual stage of JIWAN MUKAT (empancipation of spirit in life time) in her last days and died a peaceful and saintly death. On the advice of Baba Sham Singh Ji of Amritsar - an exalted noble person, Principal Niranjan Singh Mehta of Khalsa College Amritsar met Sant Attar Singh ji at Lahore in 1905 A.D. HE took AMRIT and was known afterwards as Sant Teja Singh. He dedicated his whole life to Sant Attar Singh ji for selfless service who sent him abroad for highter education and propagation of Sikh faith. HE got his degree from Harvard University in America. Wherever he went in Europe and America, he spread Divine message of Guru Nanak. In 1911 A.D., King George V visited Delhi and a grand Delhi Darbar was held at Delhi. Maharajas (rulers) of Sikh states requested Sant ji to lead the procession of Sikhs on this occasion. Seated on an elephant in the holy presence of Guru Granth Sahib, he sang the Gurbani Shabad when his elephant passed by the British King. The theme of the shabad was "No other King or Raja can be equal to Almighty God because all these worldly rulers exist only for a very short span of time and indulge in falsehood" On an enquiry by the King, meaning of the Shabad was explained to him. On hearing about him, the King was very much impressed by the noble and radiant personality of Sant ji. During a religious discourse (Katha) at Gurdwara Bangla Sahib, Delhi, he was bitten by a poisonous snake. Despite best possible medical treatment, then available, Sant ji left his mortal frame and merged with All prevading God on 1st Feb. 1927 A.D. at Sangrur. He was cremated at Mastuana Sahib, 5 kilometres away, in the presence of mamoth gathering of his followers and devotees. Thus an era of religious revivalism in Sikh history came to an end. But his memory and achievement s will ever remain alive in the hearts of millions of his fellow religionists. Sant Attar Singh laid great emphasis on the spread of education and founded large number of Sikh Schools and Colleges. He always insisted on education blended with lofty principles of love, compassion, humility. and higher values in life. He took active interest in the affairs of Sikh Educational Conference. On the request of renowned National leader, Pandit Madan Mohan Malviya, Sant ji laid the foundation stone of Banaras Hindu University at Varanasi in 1914 A.D. Pandit ji was so much impressed by the towering personality of Sant Ji that he wanted that every Hindu family should have least one member as a Sikh. Sant ji helped in the construction of many Gurdwaras and Holy tanks. He was responsible for constructing a magnificient building and holy tank at Gurdwara Dam Dama Sahib, Sabo ki Talwandi, in Bathinda District. He also got constructed huge buildings for Gurdwara and educational centre, known as Gur Sagar institution, at Mastuana in Sangrur District of Punjab. He always preached meditation and noble human qualities of love, compassion, humility and selfless service. He used to say that all the problems faced by Sikh Panth will be resolved if all Sikhs get up early in the morning (Amrit Vela) and meditate on Wahe Guru NAM after taking bath. He spread message of love emphasising oneness of God and Universal brotherhood of all human beings. At a time when Sikh Panth seemed to be on the verge of extinction as stated in the beginning of this article, he unleashed a massive movement of Amrit/Dharam Parchar to such an extent that he was responsible for baptising Amrit to about 14 lakh Sikhs in his life time. Many prominent Sikh personalities including Master Tara Singh, Sant Teja Singh ji, Principal Bhai Jodh Singh, Principal Bawa Harkrishan Singh, Principal Teja Singh, Malik Hardit Singh (former ambassador) etc. partook Amrit from Sant Attar Singh as one of Five Beloved ones (Panj Pyaras). He was embodiment of love and humility and practised what he preached in his life. He laid emphasis on meditation of Wahe Guru NAM and recitation of Nit Nem Banis early in the morning coupled with leading a true religious and pious life as per Sikh Faith. Sant Attar Singh ji was such a great soul that he was, perhaps, the first Sikh personality to be affectionately awarded with holy title of a SANT by Sikh Panth/Sangat in the Twentieth Century.
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    Well from personal experince veer ji i can say that i have seen the effects of bir ras so thats why i usually use to keep a balance of dasam bani with either panj banis or sukhmani sahib as they go hand in hand being shant ras and bir ras. There shouldn't be any bad effects reading more dasam bani unless you don't make any mistakes. Cos i did hear 2 cases of how 2 singhs read chandi di vaar 25 times. One got darshan of shaheed fauj. The other one made a mistake (don't know which but i have the link of katha tracks) then a kirpan started spinning in the room very fast and shaheed fauj came and said read brahm kavach then it became shant the kirpan. As long as you read the banis after a shower or kesi ishaan is fine. Also best to do 1 hour simran especially if you spend 1 hour reading dasam bani.
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    Has there ever been a case when a Singh recites Dasam Bani more than Adi gurbani? What effects usually happens? Does the individual become more aggressive?
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    Very good katha. Highly recommended for those who want to walk on this path.
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    3. Is right.. O wow! Cos I thot me going reverse instead... As I heard / read somewhere that Bani generates heat and thas why all wise people used to go on mountains and cold places for tapasya
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    Hanji, I have. More than once. There have been instances where u and @hisservant veerji have been struggling with questions that I have now. @Lucky veerji has answered them then.. like stages of Sunn. , vibrations in the ears, and few more that I have are 1. vibrations in the body ( which is probably -jhatke- that Simranjeet ji mentioned in Q. 2 in above video) so I m not a -pakka- fruit yet. 2. Running eyes specially in sangat and everyone starts looking at me. I am trying not to but it just happens- then m left with either leaving the Sangat( which I hate inside) or keep on sitting and ignoring the stares. 3. Feeling cold It would be great if I get any suggestions on these but my original question is " As u both are leading the way for us all.. .((n (thank u tonnes for that )) Have u found something new since. I mean. .. Something thas not bookish. .. I hope u understand wat I mean though I am aware that I have not put things properly
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    Why are pakis protected so much in the UK? Is it because of votes or are they very rich or something?
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    ਢਡਰੀ ਦੇ ਚੇਲਿਆਂ ਦੀ ਠੋਕੀ ਮੰਜੀ ਤੇ ਔਕਾਤ ਵੇਖੋ ਢਡਰੀ ਦੀ ਨੇਕੀ ਡੰਗਰਗ੍ਰੇਡ ਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਠੋਕਵੇ ਜਵਾਬ
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    Really worth listening as 2 mentions are given of how a akhand paath sahib didn't get accepted cos of 1 mistake of a paathi singh and another starting example of how paathis fall asleep when performing akhand paath.
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    Hanji, I have. More than once. There have been instances where u and @hisservant veerji have been struggling with questions that I have now. @Lucky veerji has answered them then.. like stages of Sunn. , vibrations in the ears, and few more that I have are 1. vibrations in the body ( which is probably -jhatke- that Simranjeet ji mentioned in Q. 2 in above video) so I m not a -pakka- fruit yet. 2. Running eyes specially in sangat and everyone starts looking at me. I am trying not to but it just happens- then m left with either leaving the Sangat( which I hate inside) or keep on sitting and ignoring the stares. 3. Feeling cold It would be great if I get any suggestions on these but my original question is " As u both are leading the way for us all.. .((n (thank u tonnes for that )) Have u found something new since. I mean. .. Something thas not bookish. .. I hope u understand wat I mean though I am aware that I have not put things properly
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    Hi brother, It is totally true what you say. One day everyone has to pass away. But generally as a human being one can only feel sorry and pray for that soul, moreover when that jeevatma when alive is singing His beant wadeeayee as seva for the sangat, for the only purpose of getting us inspired and imbued with His Bhakti as quoted by you in the Bani above. Sat Sree Akal
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    Bhen ji you are right a lot of people don't have any strength to listen to the practical bhagati kutaks especially the ones mentioned as people label paath karan wale people crazy or lies is probably best why these things are best kept gupt and a secert as no many can digest the happenings.
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    Waheguru veer ji its really sad as we don't when its written in Sri Bavan Akhree
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    Hanji. Got u. ThaNk you so much . Just one more ( if m not bugging u-m sorry) but sunn samadhi?? I guess these are not discussed openly cos learned people may only provide this info to as they say - the one who's the 'gahak' and not just anybody. Because there r more of Nindaks.. As in one instance rather 2, I have heard Giani jis saying that they got 'eatables-santra and mooli looking fruits: from Sachkhand. .. Only few would believe them and others would call liars etc... So probably thas y they keep hush hush. But Waheguru ji is amazing.. He has his ways of making his children find the right way....
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    Thanku Veeeji, Yes I love reading these Banis. But would say one thing that either you go for CC 1, CC2 or Chandi di Vaar. The essence is the same, that we have to fight against the 6-7 demons inside us. These Banis are the best n easiest way to do that. Just that CC1 and 2 are more detailed. Like the sounds of Wars( Dhagadum dhaguddam Nagaddum baaje) whereas Chandi di war is more poetic. These Banis are the best n easiest way to do that. Just that CC1 and 2 are more detailed. Like the sounds of Wars( Dhagaddang daane...Bagaddang baaje) whereas Chandi di war is more poetic.
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6811785/Shooter-opens-fire-New-Zealand-injures-four-people-witnesses-say-heard-20-shots.html My heart goes out to all the innocent victims and their families. Apnay in the diaspora need to be extra careful of security around Gurdwaras too.
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    Really sad especially as the victims went to pray as well in the mosque.
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    Pure evil.Recorded the whole shooting.He strongly identifies as a Christian in his manifesto.RIP to the victims.
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    Bhen ji thats really good as you have posted recording of Chandi Chirtar 2 as i read this bani last weekend. Very happy to hear this bani's paath as not many people read this bani. I myself am using audio tracks for this bani and hopefuly when Waheguru does kirpa i will be able to do Chandi Chirtar 1 as thats one bani i really want to read as well.
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    Veerji please would you let me know what is Sahej? And wats sunn? How are they different.. . I have been looking all this while but couldn't find.. Even in one katha by the above Bhai Sahab - he tells abhiyaasi " sahej vich nahi jaana "
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    Japji Sahib English translation

    Flipping 'ell. That was a revelation.....lol
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    Ji Brij bhasha Or Braj language as we may call it is actually old Hindi, based on Avadhi Or Prakrit I guess.. It's the same script as in Hindi. Brij Is mainly related to Sri Krishna. So it's very close to Hindi Guru Gobind Singh ji as was born in Patna, Bihar region, must be well versed in this language. He is anyway Sarab kala bharpoor and we see Persian, Arabic etc too used in Jaap Sahib and Akal Ustat Bani. Guru Sahib's '52 kavis' were also learned Hindus of that times. Bhai Nandlaal ji was a great Scholar and very learned. So that may be the reason for vivid use of language and poetry. For those who speak Hindi it's easy rather n that's how I know and understand it. I am somehow fascinated with Dasam Bani so much. Though even my parents keep telling me to indulge more in SGGS ji.. Chandi di Vaar, I have included in my Nitnem and my kids also sing it.
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    Can you tell us more about it? How do you think it differs from Panjabi? How did you learn it? Do you ever read older Sikh texts that are written in Brij Bhasha?
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    Waheguru ji ka khala Waheguru ji ki Fateh Veerji, I am putting little on what I know to help u. ((Others please correct me if I am wrong and put ur inputs)) The Bani Ath Chandi Charitar Ustat Barnan is a part of morning Nitnem for 'Budha Dal Sikhs'. Here 'Ath' means now and the Bani is mainly praise of the Chandi Charitar path. It marks the importance of why we should do 'Chandi Charitar'. The last stanza is also included in 'Hazoori Rehraas Sahib " Chandi Charitar Ustat Barnan" is sung daily when U do Chandi Charitr Paths occasionally as here Guru Sahib have told various attributes of Chandi. He has made it clear in this ustat barnan that Chandi is not a Human(lady) or not some deity but it is formless and is willpower (Shakti) of human brain under the hukam of Parbrahm These Banis are very powerful. If done regularly they are capable of providing anything you can ask for. ((Jaap Sahib still remains on top though and is highly recommended before any Dasam Bani)) Maryaada is same as Chandi di Vaar i.e avoid in the evening hours or continue for the whole night. And proper hygiene etc
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    Here is a good katha track i found today
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    Most inspiring katha vichar. Those walking on this path of simran will gain a lot of guidance from this video if you listen carefully. For those who hear the high pitched frequency sound like peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee or teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Listen from time index 12:25 seconds to the video below (although advised to listen to the whole thing ). There were many posts in this thread when we talked about it and others ask if that was it.
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    Brilliant khant simran explanation and walkthrough from time index 26 mins. Also how to take simran down to nabhi plus obtaining Amrit from gurmantar.
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    Japji Sahib English translation

    Note on the editor Jesse Schell on page 301 of Davinder Singh Chahal's translation. So now we need to take religious lessons from an atheist homosexual westerner.Shabase.I always knew that the phais with 'kala engrej' mentality love to bendover to please their western masters but this one takes the cake.He literally bends over for a bondi.
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    Amazing thread veer ji. Here is a saakhi i heard just now on youtube worth listening. When Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanaksar went to Rara Sahib - Katha Sant Hari Singh Ji
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    Gurbilas patshahi 6 details a lot of the rituals in regards to Guru Granth Sahib as well as the day to day rituals at Harminder sahib.
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    Please listen to Gyani Inderjit Singh jee Raqbewale, talking about Sukha Maryada. http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/guru-gobind-singh-ji-and-puratan-singhs-taking-sukha/ Bhul chuk maaf
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    Ashtbhuj Duja Significance.

    Here is one more:
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    Nirmalas fighting court cases

    Lol looks like somethings never change!! This is from Nirmal Panth Pradipika from the late 1800s by Giani Gian Singh where he laments that the Nirmalas who used to not even take a small piece of land when offered by the maharajes, - now they are fighting each other in court cases over the land they are taking form the raje.
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    Bro, who is this person Bhul chuk maaf
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    from my experience, go with it my friend. sometimes you will actually fall asleep..and as soon as you awake, continue with your simran.. other times like you said it feels like body is falling asleep, but your mind is still active and you're very conscious (soul) of it in my experience it is in this state where the wonders start to manifest and you are pulled deeper within. i cannot with effort keep myself in that state...one can only surrender in those moments and enjoy. it is usually a little bit of fear of the unknown that brings you out of that state of mind but with time that will subside.
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    This is just unreal. It claims that a member of the council might have helped broker a deal with the police to protect a paedo relative! And then people try and deny Sikh claims that the establishment are purposefully playing down or denying Sikh girls being targeted by such groomers. Jahangir Akhtar Miss Akhtar's father is Jahangir Akhtar, who quit as deputy leader of the council in 2013 and lost his seat on the council the following year. His resignation followed claims he helped broker a deal with police involving one of his relatives. The relative - gang ringleader Arshid 'Mad Ash' Hussain - was said to have agreed to hand a missing 14-year-old girl to officers at a petrol station after receiving an assurance that he would not be prosecuted. Jahangir Akhtar's resignation followed claims he helped broker a deal with police involving one of his relatives, gang ringleader Arshid Hussain (pictured) An independent inquiry led by Professor Alexis Jay found an estimated 1,400 Rotherham girls were targeted for sexual abuse by organised gangs of mostly British Pakistani men over 16 years. Four brothers who were jailed for a total of 98 years in 2016 after being convicted of 53 child sex offences against 16 girls - Arshid, Basharat, Bannaras and Sageer Hussain - are related to the Akhtars. Abuse victims helped by Rise voiced concern about the appointment. One woman, who was helped by the charity along with her sister, and who gave evidence against the Hussain brothers, said: 'I'm staggered that the charity and council didn't recognise that putting Jahangir Akhtar's daughter in that role would create a potential conflict of interest.' 'What sort of a signal does that send out to CSE survivors? How are we supposed to have any confidence that the authorities in Rotherham have learnt from the past?' The woman said Miss Akhtar's work for the charity could have given her access to information about girls and women who were groomed and sexually exploited by one or more of her relatives or their associates. Rise is believed to have informed Rotherham council of Miss Akhtar's appointment but the local authority is thought to have reported no concerns. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6811673/Daughter-councillor-implicated-Rotherham-scandal-helps-run-support-service-victims.html
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