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  1. Interesting, even though he would make the writer of any thesarus proud.
  2. Thanks for that dal singh. Finally someone who got to the point. Thanks also to jathedar, looked up your sources they answered my questions proficiently.
  3. Oo chado para ee siapaa. Sare bolo JAI SATAN JI DI!!!!!!
  4. Baba Santa Singh's might be a bit different. Apparently he used a manuscript preserved by the Nihungs, from pre-Singh Sabha times. It is said Bhai Vir Singh made some modifications to one of the two original manuscripts written by Bhangu. The other one is probably gathering dust in some British library.
  5. Wonder what the Wali based his letter on. There is bound to be some sort of folklore regarding Nalwa in Afghanistan. Amrinder Singh in his 'The Last Sunset' mentions that Akali-Nihung Phula SIngh has entered the regional folklore based in and around the area where he fell. Young mothers are encouraged to light a lamp in his memory to protect their children. Bound to be something similar for Nalwa. I will dig further but this can be a good field to look into.
  6. That's a surprise. When I asked the same question on Sikhsangat they told me to get the notion, that the panth was vegetarian, out of my head and accept both Sukha and Jhatka.
  7. Vanit Nalwa, one of Hari Singh's descendants, used the family observer/genealogist's account of Nalwa (written while he was still alive) which resides in Haridwar. I will make enquiries if a transliterated volume of the said account is available. It's author is a certain Pandit Sitarama.
  8. When Satguru, Guru Gobind Singh arrived at Banda (Bahadur’s) estate, Banda had gone out on some errand to another place. Seeing a very well bedecked bedstead inside his bed chamber, The Guru climbed up the bed with a quick jump. (1) Chaupai : The Guru’s Singhs slaughtered all the goats (moving about in Banda’s orchard), And put their meat in the cauldrons on fire for cooking, The Banda’s attendant informed his master immediately about this incident, And brought him along after inciting him (against the intruders). -Sri Gur Panth Prakash, Vol. I, Episode 29, pg.189. Regarding the blood spilt on Hindustan, it seems this was a creation of the colonial period, when an united effort was made to expel the colonial administration from Mother India. Sri Gur Panth Prakash differs and states: Dohra : The Guru admonished him for making fun of the saints, As it always recoiled on those who indulged in such a mischief. The petty pranksters, mendicants and nit-wit Dooms alone, Indulged in such mean tricks to earn their livelihood. (15) Chaupai : Then Banda declared himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And declared the Guru to be his spiritual guide and master. He begged forgiveness of the Guru for his past misdeeds, And promised never to indulge in any of his past activities. (16) He proclaimed himself to be the humble servant of the Guru, And promised to carryout any command of the Guru. He beseeched the Guru to take him into his fold, And consider him as the most intimate disciple of the Guru. (17) -ibid, pg. 193. For more information I suggest you employ Akali-Nihung Santa Singh Ji's katha, and literal exegesis of the entire Granth. He clears up any doubts regarding Jhatka and certain happenings which have been obliterated or revamped by many pseudo-scholars today. If you have the time also try looking for the 'Jhatka Prakash Granth' by Giani Narainjan Singh of the SGPC. He wrote it as a direct rebuttal to the views of Bhai Randhir Singh who outlawed meat. Unfortunately for the Giani his book became such a hit, that the urban devotees of the Bhai used their financial influence to have it removed from book outlets and libraries.
  9. 'Warrior Saints' mentions that the British also keenly initiated amrit sanchar ceremonies for their Sikh soldiers. That and other religious factors also played a part in winning a portion of Sikh hearts and minds. Rebels such as Baba Sahib Singh Ji Kaladhari and Bhai Randhir Singh were also once employed by the British.
  10. 'Normal Indians never had a problem with each other.' What a surprise.
  11. Are there any traces of any Afghani culture in present day Pakistan? I do not mean any cross-cultural evolution due to close proximity but anything carried over from some military campaign or conquest etc.?
  12. I will desist from being a ribald fool like you and instead answer you as politely as a buffon of your calibre can be answered. My comment doesn't mention anything about All Sikhs in case your eyeballs failed you at that point. There was no overall national unity in India as is being propagated today. The very notion of a United Indian state, composed of all it's castes and creeds did not even exist then. A majority of Sikhs viewed themselves as being different from the rest of India, and let us not forget that the same soldiers who instigated the mutiny were themselves instrumental in the fall of the Sikh empire. And since when did Abdali (1722-1772) destroy Maharajah Ranjit Singh (1780-1839), with Ala Singh's (1691-1765) aid? There time periods were varied and years apart. And again the Sikhs got the best of the Afghans in the post-Abdali period. On the second hand so what if Sikhs united with the British to suppress the mutiny? It was retaliation towards the soliders who had brought about the fall of their kingdom. Secondly how many Sikhs can you name who actually took an active part in the mutiny? Even the Nihungs stood aside and formed a pact with the British immediately after the mutiny. You give Patiala as a prime example of Sikhs siding with the British I will go one further. Gulab Singh of the fractured Shahida Misl assisted in suppressing the mutiny, the descendants of Fateh Singh Alhuwalia played an important role in suppressing the mutiny and there are many more examples. This is not a shameful episode as idiots like you point out, but one of political self-interests. Even amongst the Marathas, and the Rajputs not many were interested in assisting the mutineers. What did they stand to gain by subduing the British? A return to Islamic dominated rule once more? "In the light of the available evidence, we are forced to the conclusion," says Maulana Abul Kalam Azad [india's first Minister of Education and a scholar in his own right], "that the uprising of 1857 was not the result of careful planning, nor were there any master-minds behind it ... As I read about the events of 1857, I am forced to the conclusion," he continues, "that the Indian national character had sunk very low. The leaders of the revolt could never agree. They were mutually jealous and continually intrigued against one another ... In fact these personal jealousies and intrigues were largely responsible for the Indian defeat." On the authority of the Bidrohi Bengali of Durgadas Bandyopadhyaya, an eye-witness, Dr. Majumdar tells us: "the demon of communalism also raised its head. The Muslims spat over the Hindus and openly defiled their houses by sprinkling them with cows' blood and placing cows' bones within the compounds. Concrete instances are given where Hindu sepoys came into clash with Muslim hooligans and a complete riot ensued. The Hindus, oppressed by the Muslims, were depressed at the success of the Mutiny, and daily offered prayers to God for the return of 'the English.' " This was the foretaste of the feared revival of the Muslim rule. In spite of this all, if some people wish to live in a state of hallucination and believe that there was a complete friendly understanding and great communal harmony between Muslims and Hindus at all stages in the Mutiny, they are most welcome to do so, but they should not expect a student of history to be one with them. Past history has to be recorded as it was and not as we wish it to be presented a century afterwards. It cannot be written to order, or molded and remolded, according to the changing times. I also don't understand why your kind reserves such pathological shame for yourselves, when the mutiny is brought up. If we cast a glance at the mutineers we see their nucleus being composed of: Remnants of the Mughal empire, and those too pulled out towards the end of the mutiny. Gwalior entities. Jhansi (and that too because it's queen had been deposed by the British). Forces of Nana Sahib Peshwa. The Prince of Oudh, hoping to reclaim his prior status before his father was deposed by the British. Feudal landowners of Oudh and Islamic radicals. We cast a glance at the suppressors we see: Ajaigarh. Alwar. Bharatpur. Bhopal. Bijawar. Bikaner. Bundi. Hyderabad. Jaipur. Jaora. Kapurthala. Kashmir. Kendujhar. Marwar. Nabha. Patiala. Rampur. Rewa. Sirmur. Sirohi. Udaipur. Nepal. I will give you this much that probably the first Indian to raise arms against the British was Bhai Maharaj Singh, in the aftermath of who an uneasy peace existed between both British and Sikhs. And to borrow the only intelligent thing you managed to vomit, a massive divide existed between the government employed professionals and the agriculturalist proletariat. And once more how many Sikhs can you name or count who actively participated in the mutiny and fought against the British? The fact that you reserve such a pathological misery at the role of the Sikhs during this episode of history, proves that you cannot name one Sikh who fought along with his beloved cousins.
  13. Why don't we get to the root cause of the problem which arises from Hinduism itself. After all before running around with your garbage of 'Hindu this, Hindu that' you should consider revamping your own ideology at the very least before pointing fingers. Once again you attempt to derail the entire thread by digressing from the topic, experiences of Sikhs during the Punjabi Suba movement, to one regarding the validity of sources other than your 'hours of research' on wikipedia. Caste, it's beginning and influence, has already been discussed before on this forum where you as per normal attempted to de-rail the entire thread with your nonsense. Before 'bursting delusional bubbles' maybe you should burst your own narcissist bubble. Here is a quote from Dr. Ambedkar regarding caste, and it's fundamental importance in Hinduism. ' But that cannot mean that they would thereby reach a position where they would be free and equal. , without being above and below any one else, for the simple reason that the Hindu religion does not recognise the principle of equality of social status : on the other hand it fosters inequality by insisting upon grading people as Brahmins, Kshatrias, Vaishyas and Shudras, which now stand toward one another in an ascending scale of hatred and descending scale of contempt. If the Hindu Religion is to be a religion of social equality then an amendment of its code to provide temple entry is not enough. What is required is to purge it of the doctrine of chaturvarna. That is the root cause of all inequality and also the parent of the Caste system and Untouchability, which are merely forms of inequality.' Here's the source, http://ambedkarquotes.wordpress.com/, maybe if Hinduism had been reformed then there would have been no need for him to face away from Sikhi, since caste would not have been present in it's psyche. The ultimate degradation of humanity commenced with Hinduism and now runs rife in all sub-continental faiths.
  14. The first picture is of Inderjeet Singh. A ten year old child who was involved in an agitation, hearing him shouting 'Punjabi Suba Zindabad!!' two Haryanvi cops beat him and threw him in a well killing him. The second is of a protest in Amritsar, which the police were ordered to break up due to the near success of the agitation. The third is of a female organisation involved in the movement. The fourth is of a Sikh gathering to discuss the issue in Delhi, which caught the eye of the police who fired upon the protesters. The fifth is of the police storming of the Darbar Sahib complex, where a major gathering was held at Akal-Takhat to discuss the direction of the movement. The sixth is of a male group. The seventh depicts a young Gyani Inderjeet Singh Ji (Raqbe Wale. In shades). He is a master of Gurmat, and one of the survving students of Gyani Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale. he currently resides at Hazoor Sahib and is held in high esteem by the Udasis, Nihungs and Nirmalas there.
  15. The point here was to pinpoint the Sikh proletariat's experience during the Punjabi Suba Movement. The 'ignoramus' (only adjective to describe his persona) fool (which Sher is) however derailed the entire topic (a famous mark of his since his first time on the forum) to a more political course and thus invited what he perceives as being anti-Hindu sentiments on his head. His paranoia that maybe tomorrow he will wake up to a world where his myth of 'Hindu this Hindu that' is shattered, influences him to run around on forums citing 'factuality' and patronising the mods. Of course the entire debacle falls flat on it's face after a while.
  16. Interesting how Gandhi mentions that the Khalsa originally viewed the Udasis as being one it's integral components. Wonder what the definition of a Sikh, back then, was.
  17. Do we know anything about the Bhangus before Mehtab Singh? Thats how far back Bhangu traces his lineage.
  18. Whilst attempting to answer his blatant idiocracy, you will become an idiot yourself. He has already derailed the entire thread once.
  19. ੴ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ ॥ Victory & Blessings Of One God Abound ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥ May Sri Bhagauti Protect ਵਾਰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ॥ An Ode to the Sword - the Divine Power ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ॥ Uttered by Patishahi 10 Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਭਗਤ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਤਿਸੇ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਰਣਧੀਰ ਧਰੇ ॥ Dohira: I, the divine Bhagauti, only belong to those devotees who stay steadfast and resolute in the battle field. ਹਉ ਅੰਗ ਸੰਗ ਤੇ ਲਾਗ ਹੂੰ ਜੋ ਪਾਛੈ ਪਗ ਨਾ ਧਰੇ ॥ For those who do not take a single step back in the battle field, I remain close to them as if I am part of their bodies. ਸਵਯਾ ॥ ਭਗਤ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਜਗ ਅਰੰਭ ਰਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ God created divine sword before beginning the task of creation of the world. ਰੱਣ ਰੂਪ ਭਿਭੂਤ ਚੜ੍ਹਾਇ ਕੈ ਡੱਫ ਡਉਰੂ ਡੰਕ ਬਜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ In the battle field, God smeared divine ash on his body, and started kettle drums in jubilation. ਕੱਲ ਨਾਰਦ ਹੱੜ ਹੱੜ ਹਸਿਆ ਰਣ ਸਾਬਤ ਜੁਧ ਮਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Kalyugi Narad burst with laughter as the battle began to raze. ਦੁਲ ਦੁਲ ਖਿੰਗ ਬਿਗਿਸਆ ਰਣ ਕਹਰ ਕੁਹਰ ਬਰਖਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Just like lions are jubilant to jump at their targets, there is joy on the faces of the brave fighters. ਘਰ ਸੁਤਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਜਗਾਇਆ ਖੱੜ ਧਰਤੀ ਹਾਂਕ ਚਲਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ It is as if the sleeping lion has been awakened, and it its growl has shook the earth. ਮਾਨੁਖ ਪਕੜ ਭਕੋਲਿਆ ਕਰ ਜੱਗ ਘਮੰਡ ਮਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Men who took the sword in their hands, they destroyed the pride of the oppressors. ਭਕਲ ਭਗਉਤੀ ਦੁਰਜਨਾ ਫੜ ਡੁਮਚੁਰ ਕਫ ਤੰਗਲ ਖੋਲ ਬਹਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Holding the sword in their hands they squeezed the blood of the wicked. The sword has cut open their skulls and blood flowed from their skeletons, like rivers. ਉਥਲ ਪੁਥਲ ਘਪਨ ਘਪਰੋਲ ਤਕਰੂਲੋ ਧੁੰਧ ਮਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ This sword created complete chaos and turned things upside down, the dust created in the battlefield has blinded all ਲੁਥ ਪਲੁਥ ਧਰਤੀ ਨਾਲ ਧੱਤ੍ਰ ਪਿੰਜਰ ਕੁਤਕ ਘਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The earth is saturated with blood and skeletons are scattered all over the battle ground. ਲਪਟ ਝਪਟ ਲੈ ਤੇਗ ਨਾਲ ਰਣ ਸੂਰੋ ਘਾਨ ਘੜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The brave ones are jumping fiercely to strike the enemy down. ਖੱਚਕ ਖਫਨ ਜਹਾਂ ਜਮ ਧੜੇ ਰਣ ਲੁਥ ਪਲੁਥ ਖਪਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The coffins, and messengers of death are devouring the dead in the battle field. ਰਕਤ ਪਲੇਟੀ ਜੋਗਨੀ ਰਣ ਦੁਰਜਨ ਖੇਤ ਖਪਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The blood drenched sword is decimating the wicked in the field of the battle. ਰੁੰਡ ਮੁੰਡ ਘਮਸਾਨ ਖੇਤ ਰਣ ਜੰਭਕ ਗਿਰਝ ਅਘਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ There are body parts scattered all over the field, and jackals and vultures have arrived to feed upon them ਕੜ ਧੜ ਦੜ ਕੇ ਪੜੱਛਯਨ ਭਿੜ ਸੈਲ ਹੀ ਸੈਲ ਭਿੜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ There are body parts scattered all over the field, and jackals and vultures have arrived to feed upon them. ਗਗਨ ਕੱੜਕੀ ਬਿਜਲੀ ਪ੍ਰਲੋ ਪ੍ਰਲੋਕ ਖਪਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The sound of the sword striking left and right appears as if boulders are striking with each other ਉਤ ਧੂ ਲੋਕ ਮੁੰਡ ਮਚਾਇਨ ਬਹੁ ਮੁੰਡਕ ਮੁੰਡ ਭੜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The sound of sword striking is as if lightening is striking and day of Armageddon has reached close. ਥਰ ਹਰ ਕੰਪੈ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਇ ਰਣ ਸੂਰੇ ਘਾਣ ਘਤਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The slain heads are hitting each other that is causing the Dharam Raja (King of angels of death) to tremble with fear. ਸਜੇ ਬੋਹਥ ਚਕਿਆ ਕਰ ਖੱਬੇ ਖੜਗ ਮਚਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ In left hand they hold the heads and with right hand they strike the sword. ਨਿਬੇੜਾ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਤੁਰਕ ਦਾ ਰੱਣ ਘਤਿ ਖੱੜਗ ਚੁਕਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The conflict between the Hindus and Turks will be decided today only by divine sword in this battle of righteousness. ਜਗ ਅਰੰਭ ਤਿਹੁ ਜੁਗਰਣ ਮਾਸ ਮਨੁਖ ਘਤਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ This is how the beginning of the world witnessed the divine sword feeding upon flesh of the wicked. ਰਕਤ ਖੱਪਰ ਭਰ ਜੋਗਨੀ ਰਣ ਮਸਤ ਮੰਗਲ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ The divine sword drank the blood of the wicked by filling their skulls with it.This is how the holy sword was pleased and sang the divine song to celebrate death of wickedness from this earth ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਿਰ ਕੁਟੀਐ ਚੰਘਿਾੜੇ ਕਵਨ ਛੁਡਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Those who have no hair on their heads, when struck on bare heads cry in pain, and no one comes to their rescue ਹੁਕਮ ਮੰਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਬਖਸ਼ ਲੈ ਨਿਗੁਰਿਆ ਨੋ ਇਹ ਸਜਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ Those without a Guru are punished like this. However, those who submit to the divine will, are accepted with honour before God. ਫਤਹ ਜੰਗ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੱਲ ਕੋਟਕ ਕੋਟ ਖਪਾਇ ਹੈ ॥ I, Guru Gobind Singh ji, am always victorious in the battle field, and millions of drones of enemy armies are destroyed [by my sword] ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਆਸਾ ਨਾ ਕਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਨਾ ਨਾ ਪਰਸੇ ਪਗ ਜਾਇ ॥ Do not put faith in Brahmins and do not touch their feet [in respect]. ਆਪ ਤ੍ਯਾਗਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਲਗੇ ਕੂੰਭਿ ਨਰਕ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ Forsaking your True Self [Atma] and praying to another [brahmins] you shall go to the worst hell.
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