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  1. On 2/13/2018 at 5:02 AM, paapiman said:

    1. Did he himself commit the murder or the people under him?

    2. Daas is not sure if Santa Singh jee is Sachkhand vasi or not. Don't get me wrong bro. You might be saying the truth.

    3. Thanks for the info.

    4. Agreed that affiliation is not necessary to follow Sikhi. Being conducive or not is debatable.

    5. Any more evidence, if you have any?

    What was the relationship between Ajit Phula and Sant Baba Thakur Singh jee Khalsa with Santa Singh jee? 

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    He ordered his fellows nangs  to shoot them both.

  2. 12 hours ago, paapiman said:

    Is there any proof that he murdered the main players?

    Were both the parties (involved in the land dispute) greedy/selfish (trying to usurp the share of the others)?

    What was the land used for by Santa Singh jee?

    Btw, are you associated with AKJ?

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    1.) The murder was done in broad daylight. More than 16 people testified against your sachkhand vasi jathedar. He invoked Giani Zail Singh's protection and went away scot-free. 

    2.) This was a conflict between two brothers, they decided to get the Nihangs involved because both were religious and felt Santa Singh could settle the matter amiably. Of course you are free to believe the opposite if you want because, yes, Santa Sio is Sachkhand vasi after all.

    3.) His nangs set up a horse farm there. It was only with his death that they were finally thrashed and chased away. Balbir Singh has made no effort to recover this farm- so of course the villagers perceive him as a true Nihang. 

    4.) I am affiliated with no Jatha as I don't believe that such affiliations are either conducive or necessary to follow Sikhi. 

    5.) We aren't the only ones with a similar tale to tell. This proclivity for land grabs is evidenced all over the Punjab and Santa Singh's name is brought up repeatedly. 

  3. 19 hours ago, paapiman said:

    He might not be a Sachkhand vasi, but he had some great qualities in him.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    Several of my relations are still dragging their feet in courts because this pathetic excuse of a Nihang promised to resolve their land dispute, murdered the main players and then took over all the land for himself. Obviously this does not concern you, but there are many others who have a similar tale to tell. These are signs of a true Gurmukh only for the NRI nangs  who deify him as their Guru.

  4. 15 hours ago, Soulfinder said:

    You are right veer ji Baba Santa Singh did publish Sarbolh Granth Sahib steek/teeka and a few other granths like Panth Parkesh etc. He did have some flaws but chalo it's up to Waheguru.

    The Sarbloh Granth steek was plagiarized off Akali Nurang Singh Ji's work; the Panth Prakash was similarly plagiarized off the SGPC commissioned exegesis.

  5. On 2/4/2018 at 12:56 AM, paapiman said:

    Being a kamai wala does not necessarily mean access to Sachkhand.

    Not all people are perfect bro. Do you think the great warriors like Sardar Jassa Singhs (Ramgariha and Ahluwalia), Sardar Charat Singh Sukarchakia, etc, did not make mistakes? We still consider them as great warriors of the Panth.

    Baba Santa Singh might have had some differences with Sant Jarnail Singh jee Khalsa Bhindrawale, but that does not indicate that he did not have any love for the Panth.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    If we can accept Ala Singh as a perfect Gurmukh, only then can a traitor like Santa Singh be accepted as being sachkhand vasi. 

  6. 8 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

     

    Being a spectator doesn't means that his views are endorsed.  Who is Giani Inderjit Singh? The one from Raqba?

     

    I would agree that Baba SantaSingh was a highly educated in Gurmat.

    Exactly, the same Giani Inderjit Singh. That idiot Mirch even confronted this guy with pictures on a similar thread on Sikhsangat. 

  7. On 2/2/2018 at 7:39 PM, paapiman said:

    Daas heard from a Taksali Singh (who did sangat of Baba Thakur SIngh jee) that Baba Santa Singh jee was a kamai wale Mahapurakh.

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    Never realized that Taksal now possessed the prerogative to declare someone a traitor and then dispatch them straight to Sachkhand.

  8. On 1/28/2018 at 6:36 PM, Singh123456777 said:

    Crystal you talk about us about being on fhe bandwagon of this baba or that baba etc, but you are hanging off the nuts of niddar. You cant seem to get off of them and see that he is a twat and nobody wants to know him. You are too busy sucking his dong to realize that he is just a loser who got his ass handed to him by uptej singh and there is video proof of it. 

    Does niddar still accept hadh torh challenges? Cause im ready to challenge this guy when he comes to canada

    Please tell me what his excuse is for eating kfc and mcdonalds? Whats his excuse for leaving his wife and children and eloping with a gori? What can he teach anybody when this guy doesnt give two shits about sikhi! 

    Mate, why don't you wash the Sukha off your bootha and wake up. Even the hardcore Taksalis are beginning to support Nidar. Look at his Canada seminar. Who turned up to watch? None other than Giani Inderjit Singh. 

     

     

  9. 9 hours ago, chatanga1 said:

     

    This was the same with ajit singh poohla and paramraj singh umranangal ssp except that poohla was also given some heavy duty firearms as well.

    Santa, at the end of the day, did not possess the guts which Poolha and Umranangal (and in no way am I condoning their actions) did. He was, essentially, overly ambitious but lacked the political acumen to realize his desires. On one hand he lost favor with the Sikhs, with the Akalis and then with his beloved Indra. The Budha-Dal, naturally, cannot admit to his failings; for them he is Guru incarnate. The truth, however, eventually manifests and whatever ludicrous myths the UK nangs construct- 'many Budha-Dal shahids were in Operation Bluestar;' 'Baba Ji warned the Sant against Akali treachery;'  etc etc- they will soon be forced to confront the truth: they are fast becoming irrelevant, and their dearly departed Jathedar Santa will not be able to restore them to their pristine glory. All I see is NRI kids being fed the usual concoction of warriordom, historicity and myth to enroll them in an exclusive club whilst Jathedars fleece their parents.  

  10. On 1/25/2018 at 10:09 AM, samurai2 said:

    mind your language son, your meant to be the eloquent one. 

    Could say the same for you, easy pointing the finger but you couldn't answer my simple questions in regards to your hero without a fairy tale (violins in the background). 

     

    Time to use your brain and not spend so much time trying to be eloquent with posh words. i really recommend reading  sun tzu's art of war, then analyse the situation without coming from the tunnel vision of personality worship (for today's politics and/1984)

     

    @Crystal  mate sort your shit out. admin cut crackhead.

     

     

    You read my comments again, admin cut, and you will see I was neither for the Sant nor against; but admin cut-al-qaum will always be Indra's stooge (or lover). 

  11. 19 minutes ago, Singh123456777 said:

    Yea and my name is John Smith

    Balbir is a crook,murderer and thief.

     

    And what is the alternative? A weakened man in Nanded beset by factionalism on all sides? An opium addict and his bunch of NRI supporters? 

    P.S. John Singh sounds much better. 

  12. 6 hours ago, Singh123456777 said:

    Same lol, baba ji is badass but i was a little disappointed when he went to balbir though.

    Loooooooool

    For all we know, Balbir might be the true Jathedar. After all the pictures Crystal posted, its beginning to seems as if all these Jathedars are just winding up idiot kids in the UK. 

  13. 7 hours ago, samurai2 said:

    I'd rather be around someone who loves his degh and is a sadhu yodha than someone who walks around with a rusty screwdriver,..who's the crackhead?

     

    haha, niddar is a true soorma, next thing to bruce lee..just needs to get balbiro bhabis bum fluff out his mouth, maybe then he can communicate properly..lol

     

    Ahh yes, the obligatory, "lets blame nihangs for innocent lives taken at harimandhir sahib (which could have been avoided)" cliche when their hero is questioned. 

    Typical admin cut retort, bring up the usual 'they shouldn't have been in their' line when obese-al-qaum is scrutinized. 

  14. 7 hours ago, paapiman said:

    Do you think it is possible to access the original publication? Any softcopy available online?

    When were Ranjit Singh jee and his younger brother murdered? Before Blue star or after?

     

    Bhul chuk maaf

    After Bluestar- family's still insistent it was Santa Singh who ordered their murders. I am hunting down the original publication still.

     


    '... Ranjit Singh, an important functionary of the Nihang sect called "Buddha Dal," was appointed as head of the organization after its the chief Santa Singh was ex-communicated by the Sikh religious establishment for lending support to the government after the June 1984 operation Bluestar, Santa Singh received the support of the central government and he continued to remain influential. According to Simarjit Kaur (Ranjit's sister-in-law), Santa Singh managed to take his revenge and get Ranjit Singh murdered.'

    'Reduced to Ashes, The Insurgency and Human Rights in Punjab: Final Report,' pg. 380. 

  15. 10 hours ago, samurai2 said:

    Very articulately put. I'm very impressed. 

    Akaal thatkt jathedar was always the jatherdar of buddha dal up until sgpc was formed..

    I was waiting for the niddar/kamalroop connection.. can only lol at that.

    "Thirdly on one hand you assert that the Sant and Indra were one and then yourself dismiss your contention by claiming the contrary- at least the Sant (if your tale is to be accepted) turned against Indra unlike the Nihangs who bowed down to her.  "....mate you really need to start reading what i have put up and stop with the quick fundamentalist khalistani/defensive response. 

    one thing you fail to fathom is that, only because one is a thakarah bhagat/tapasvi etc that they cannot make a mistake (intentionally or not)

    ok, Why did Jarail singh base himself at akaal thakt? (dont want a fairy tale- we can all play that game)

    Why did he not move to another location when he knew on guru arjun dev ji's shaheedi day there will be  mass sangat prseent, and the india govt was to invade. (they were coming for him) 

    one thing im very personally interested in is, where did bhindrewale and his yodhe get arms from??  (please put your answer in lay terms so we don't have to pull out a dictionary every time you respond)

     

     

     

    Ahh yes, the obligatory 'its all Jarnail Singh's fault' cliche when Santa Singh's rear end is exposed. 

  16. 14 hours ago, samurai2 said:

    Well, if you paid attention to my first few posts, i did mention santa singh could be connected to congress..but i stand by his main motive was to gain power of akkal takth..which rightfully belongs to the jathedar of buddha dal.. (this could be for many reasons including money)

    Jarnail singh was working with indra gandhi and was going to be a representative of congress in punjab, until he realised that his motive of gaining sikh rights will be squashed, hence him starting a movement. 

    Amarjeet Singh, understand raaj neeti, and understand an approach to ultimately gain a desire. Its soo not black and white, and i can assure you im looking things from many angles, hence i believe santa singh wrong to not join forces with jarnail singh and getting the whole fauj together.  But to totally vilify santa singh, well in my opinion is wrong. 

     

    he probably was, but lets not start with grooming, sexual exploitation. this includes everyone even rara sahib, nanaksar etc.. kaljug phera..

    yes he does take pheem, and degh aswell daily.. whats your point?.. what is your diet.. please tell me you have no meat/eggs/onions/ginger/garlic/caffeine.. 

    On what merit could Santa Singh acquire Jathedari of Akal-Takhat? I have already substantiated that the fool was in cohorts with Congress pre-Bluestar, the truth requires no vilification. Secondly, stop with the pathetic canards constructed by the nangs from Midlands regarding the Budha-Dal and the Dharam Yudh Morcha; I would expect them of someone like Kamalroop Singh. Let's face it, the Dal acted contrary to Panthic interests. Thirdly on one hand you assert that the Sant and Indra were one and then yourself dismiss your contention by claiming the contrary- at least the Sant (if your tale is to be accepted) turned against Indra unlike the Nihangs who bowed down to her.  

  17. On 1/14/2018 at 7:18 AM, chatanga1 said:

    I've only ever heard this from the sanantni camp of Niddar Singh. I asked them this question but to date have had no reply:

    When was this advice told to Sant Jarnail Singh?

    AFAIK the two never met 1981, way before the morcha started.

    There is supposed to be a publication in the Ajit which lists at least 22 cases against Santa Singh. I was informed that the information was submitted, to the newspaper, by Akali-Nihang Ranjit Singh of the Dal. One of the chief functionaries of the Vaheer, Ranjit Singh and several others soon parted ways from Santa Singh after he began castigating the Dharam Yudh Morcha. He collated evidence against the Jathedar and submitted it to Ajit which printed it in consecutive editions. Santa Singh had both Ranjit Singh and his younger brother murdered- the case is still in the Punjab High Court. Political privilege, especially from Giani Zail Singh, allowed Santa Singh to get away with a lot. My grandfather was telling me how the Akalis and Congress, both, used him as their strongman whilst he thought that he was playing them both off against each other. In Kaithal, Kurukshetra, in the 70's his Nihangs were involved in an altercation with local Sikhs and Hindus over land allocated to the region post-partition. It seems two brothers could not decide how much of the land to divide between themselves and they invited Santa Singh to resolve the matter. With his archetypal cry of, 'but we are the Guru Panth Khalsa...' Santa Singh and his Nihangs forcefully evicted the conflicted parties and took over their entire property. Departing for the Punjab, Santa Singh left behind some Nihangs to ensure that the land remained in the hands of the Dal. Several of these caretakers began molesting local women ultimately leading to an encounter with the paramilitary. Several Nihangs were killed in the ensuing melee; surprisingly, the Akali-Dal not only paid Santa Singh a financial reward to give to the families of his dead Nihangs but also ensured that the media only published his perspective of the story. At a higher level, Congress obfuscated all attempts at bringing him to justice. 

  18. On 1/15/2018 at 1:10 PM, Singh123456777 said:

    would this be before or after the kissing situation?

    Picture is from when he presented his initial publication on the Dasam Granth to Baba Prem Singh Ji.

    Wasn't this Sangat Singh also named in some grooming case or something? Or was that another individual with the same nomenclature? 

  19. 6 hours ago, samurai2 said:

    fair comment..and i respect that

    Just an opinion/advice...a forum is not a professional field where one has to behave in a certain manner (namely,  using professional language all the time), so be aware/tolerant of such characters expressing themselves..

     

    @Amarjeet Singh_1737

    There's a very heavy argument jarnail singh was manipulated by Indra too..(intentions on jarnail singh is unclear hence me saying manipulated,)..the thing with 1984 is that the majority of news was not written down. That, which  was written could be argued as media propaganda. 

     

    Contradicting yourself now aren't you? The initial thrust of the argument, regarding Santa Singh, was his close connection with Congress rather than Sant Jarnail Singh's. Please do not attempt to derail the topic because some nangs are starting to burn. 

  20. On 1/14/2018 at 7:15 AM, chatanga1 said:

     

    Baba Santa Singh could very easily be a congress supporter. For one, he and the Akalis/SGPC did not have a good relationship. That is well known. Another thing is that he and Zail Singh had a mutual affection for one another. Zail Singh was the one who inaugarated the "Guru Gobind Singh Marg in 1970" and Budha Dal were the ones who led the nagar kirtan on its inaugaraion. Baba Santa Singh called Zail Singh a "a param Sikh." Equally it could also have been the hatred towards Akali/SGPC that made him accept congress overtures in 1984.

     

    Here is something else I found:

     

    An interesting excerpt from Cinestaan; it seems 'Nanak Shah Faqir' wasn't the only controversial Sikh film. Dara Singh's 'Raaj Karega Khalsa,' initially opposed by Giani Zail Singh, also fell foul of the Budha-Dal. Intriguingly, Santa Singh not only threatened bloodshed if the film was released, but also dispatched 30 of his goons to prevent advance screenings of the film. Later when Dara Singh informed Rajiv Gandhi of the matter, he received a prompt apology from Santa Singh. What are we to make of all this?

    'The film was an expensive production and when Raj Karega Khalsa got clearance from the CBFC to be released in Punjab, it did well on its first day. But two days after the film's release, Giani Zail Singh, then chief minister of Punjab, wanted to see it.

    Zail Singh asked for a few changes in dialogues. Dara Singh went ahead and changed the word sarkar (government) to raj (rule). Further, Zail Singh wanted the blue turbans in the film [indicating the Akalis] to be changed to white and the name of the film also to be changed.

    “Two days later, a little-known sect in Punjab, called the Budha Dal, raised an objection, and its chief, Baba Santa Singh, took over from where Gianiji had left off, and declared a ban on the film. Addressing a congregation, Santa Singh, adorned with glistening weapons, presented a formidable image, and thundered from a podium, ‘How can Dara Singh with his chopped tresses play a jathedar [ordained Sikh clergyman]?"

    According to the book, Dara Singh went to Santa Singh and tried to reason with him. Instead, Santa Singh told his followers, “If this sanctimonious (sic) film is allowed to release, beware all, there will be riots; there will be bloodshed!” Strangely, Santa Singh also refused to watch the film before banning it.

    It was a tough time for Dara Singh as he had borrowed a lot of money to make the film. The leaders of the Akali Dal suggested that he release the film district by district in Punjab. The film’s title was changed from Raj Karega Khalsa to Sava Lakh Se Ek Ladaun, a nod to the Akali movement during the Emergency, and it was eventually re-released a year and a half later in the Punjabi district of Hoshiarpur.

    Then too, the screening was disrupted by Santa Singh, who sent some 30 men to stop it. The men were met by Dara Singh who asked them to watch the film first. They did and were bowled over by both the film and the earnest Dara Singh. However, when they returned and reported that the film had nothing offensive in it, they were punished by Santa Singh. The baba had the men “put into cages, had their noses pierced and with faces blackened, paraded through the village. ‘Let this be a lesson to all those who disobey my orders’.”

    Slowly but surely, Sava Lakh Se Ek Ladaun was released in more places from Ludhiana to Jalandhar. But the film’s release in Amritsar was eventually cancelled, as Santa Singh incited both the Akalis and the Nihangs to protest against it outside the theatres. With the threat of riots looming, Dara Singh called off the film's screening...

    ...Later, in 1979, when Dara Singh was campaigning for the Congress with both Zail Singh and Sanjay Gandhi for the mid-term Lok Sabha election, the subject of the banned film came up. All it took was a word from Sanjay Gandhi and the film was released the next day. Not only that, Dara Singh received a letter of apology from Santa Singh who had blocked the film so vehemently.'

    -Cinestaan, 19 November 2017.

  21. 14 hours ago, sarabatam said:

    Just trying to get sense of things in reality, how many nihangs, dals (which dals) endorsed baba prema singh ji hazoor sahib budda dal? and how many endorsed baba joginder singh ji?

    Basically whoever steps in front of them, they give a dastaar. 

  22. 8 hours ago, amardeep said:

    I've never quite understood those who critisice Maharaja Ranjit SIngh for abolishing the Gurmata system. What else was he supposed to do? The misl leaders of his time were mostly focused on advancing their own cause and thereby stuck in internal warfare and petty chiftainship. Maharaja Ranjit Singh had greater ambitions for the panth. Had he continued the Gurmata system (of which many hardly even showed up to the meetings) Punjab would have continued being politically divided and most likely destroyed by the Afghans and British much sooner.

    Interestingly enough, in my experience, its the Nihangs who degrade him more than any other jatha/samprada. 

  23. On 11/10/2017 at 5:53 AM, Soulfinder said:

    Tisarpanth went ballistic on the Nihangs a few weeks back, seems they smelt a rat somewhere. Here are some of their statements:

    'Owing to our earlier affiliations with particular jathas/groups, we often published articles from their perspective rather than a neutral, unbiased perspective. Our main aim, then, was not to enrich our readers but rather to please the Prima-donnas with whom we associated. All the prejudices we incorporated into our works are, then, our own and we stand guilty as charged. The move from blogging platforms, however, occurred during a particular period when ever-so-gradually we were beginning to question the inflated attitudes we found among our associates. The old Tisarpanth, on blogger, not only is a testament to our younger days but also an edifice of the change wrought in us by self-introspection. We are not attempting to exonerate ourselves, here, but in order to make amends we are removing our old blogger site. The information, however, will still be available with us and can be accessed by the general sangat if need be.

    All faults, as always, are ours.'

    Then you have the direct attacks:

    'We run out breath, but don't stop elaborating on how Maharajah Ranjit Singh annihilated our quasi-democratic spirit (our brothers in blue only stop after their 10th wind); how autocracy is the bane of the Panth. But positing one individual jathedar above the rest of the Panth, isn't that autocracy? On one hand it is said, "such things didn't exist in Sikhi 200 years ago," and simultaneously tact is changed to declare: "but our Baba is the Jathedar of the entire quam..." At least first bring back the old criteria for a Jathedar: the Panth's voice rather than the Panth's president.'

    Their facebook page is now full of anti-Santa Singh material. 

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