Jonny101

Sri dasam guru granth its fairly clear to grow hair, and have 5 ks.

I always find it ironic you find example of shastardhari snatan dharmis again pretty much all keshadharis and shastardharis all across bhagvad gita- mahabharta and ramayana acceptable, yet get your knickers in a twist when khalsa carries 5 ks to uphold dharma, propagate and defend dharma not just its own but defend overall dharma and weak in general.

Didn't all the previous avtars- ram chandar ji, ram krishnan ji and hanuman, arjuna and whole sena grow kesh and were shastardhari.

That's just the thing. The Indians of the previous Yugs were Dharmi people who were Kesadharis. But today's Kalyugi Hindus have taken on Kalyugi traits by cutting their Kesh, abandoning Kshatriya Dharm and Bhagti Marg. But Khalsa has maintained all of these qualities. Khalsa is the rightful inheritor of the legacy of those ancient people of India, not today's Kalyugi Hindus.

I was a Jatt sikh girl and converted to islam and its true what Karman has said about sikh girls and guys alot of sikh girls are going with muslim guys because sikh guys dont wash all they want to do is drink and club they dnt like sikh girls going with muslims but why can they they go out with all sorts.I never had sikh mates cuz they low lives and sikh girls get pissed and go out they dress like sluts they are misguided .

Also guru nanak was a muslim u cant go to mecca if ur not a muslim .Sikhs belive in hinduism how misguided and worshipping idols.

Muslim men are proper into their religion .Look at sikh guys they do smell of bo and oil and daal even at sikh temples all they talk about is muslim get a f life yeh and muslims did not kill no sikhs they made up cuz it would of been mentioned in the quran get a life mulsims dont talk about sikhs all the time.

muslims dnt force sikh girls to convert cuz they convert them selves cuz sikhism is not for them i know alot of sikh girls with muslim guys .Sikhism is fake trust me its all about eating meat and alcohol and worship statues

I'll ask you the same question I asked convert1:

but how do you reconcile the fact that the founder of your new religion allowed rape(of Banu Mustaliq tribe), consummated a marriage with a 9 year old child which is pedophilia, beheaded prisoners of war(banu Quraiza tribe), even allowed torture, killed an old woman poet who had criticized him? I'm not trying to criticizing you, but I just want to understand the psychology of why a normal person would willingly convert to a religion whose founder committed all these crimes while the Sikh Gurus committed no such crime.

I don't mean to offend you, but I just want to know how do you as a convert choose to follow a man who has done all this as opposed to the Sikh Gurus who had done none of these crimes? I use the term 'crime' for lack of a better word. Let's have an open and respectful dialogue here.

Also, Sikhs are the cleanest people on earth. Sikh religion is the only religion which makes it mandatory for it's followers to do full body Ishnaan(bath) everyday in the morning. Sikhs are also required as per maryadha to do full body Ishnaan before doing any Seva of Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Besides this, Sikhs also do Panj Ishana(washing of hands, feet, face) before doing Rehras Sahib and Kirtan Sohilla. So as far as cleanliness is concerned, no one can match the Sikhs in this department

Muslims only are required to do woozu which is a washing of their hands, feet and face. Full body bath is not even a require in Islam. That's not very clean from Sikh standards.

Sikhs, don't worship idols. Sikhs are worshipers of Vaheguru. So it's obvious you have no knowledge of Sikhi before you converted for your boyfriend.

As for your claim that Guru Nanak Dev Jee was a Muslim. I would suggest you watch this video to dispel this confusion as well:

These articles are stupid. The whole website is stupid. I am so tired of blind pseudo scholars making statements for the whole panth. The blatant disrespect of HanumanJi and GaneshJi is disgusting. Its especially funny because heroes like Shaheed Jathedar Baba Hanuman Singhji would definitely put a spear in the debate. Surprisingly, I have to agree with Hindustani: Sikhi seems to have lost its direction. Anti-Dasam Granthi SahibJi commentary is prevalent and Kala Afghana rhetoric seems to be becoming the norm. Eventually, Sikhi will be abrahamic and maybe even ritualistic like "Hinduism". Give or take 50 years, Sikhs will be so far away from their roots that the only saviour will be Kalki Avatar. I am surprised Neo put these articles up. I hope you dont lose touch with Sikhi too.

Are you sure you're a communist?

I would have to agree with Amandeep here. Our goal should be to reduce tensions between communities not put more kerosene on the flame. Discussing those articles will only make the flame of hatred bigger not reduce it. Just leave it.

Gandhi goes against his own religion by preaching Ahimsa. He would hold a copy of the Bhagawat Gita, but forget it was recited on the battle field of Kurukshetra in which untold amount deaths occurred. He worshiped Ram, but Ram was a warrior who had no problem using violence in order to defeat evil. Gandhi preached against British imperialism in India but had no problem with racism in South Africa against the blacks. He was a walking talking contradiction.

We all know that Sikhi sees politics as a potential vehicle for a spiritual agenda, but when 'Sikh politics' becomes all about base and lowly politics (like MANY people feel that it has done) I think spirituality (from WHATEVER source) looks even more attractive.

absolutely true.

Interesting how they also try and synchronize their mantar with the heart beat (i.e. ROM ROM)

Isn't Rom the hair on our body?

Amar ji nice post but this Billi is going to stay " that's bs khali propaganda blah blah blah Sikh terrorists kill hindus"

See he's not here for a decent dialogue. I have had dialogues with Hindus and Muslims with opposing views. Once you explain to them our side of the story, they will have an open mind to finally understand your position even if they are not 100% in agreement. But this guy Sher is not one of those individuals. You refute his lies, he again repeats those lies.

Watchout we got a badass over here....I'm shaking....you have perfectly described what you are thanks for sharing.

Maharaja Ranjit Singh's loyalty was to his people not British. Get your perspective straightened out.

Bro, you are asking a him to straighten his perspective, it's not going to happen. He is not here to learn about Sikhi but writes just to lie and distort our Dharm, our Ithihas.

Don't know if any Sikh has written about her, but she was a great Bhagat of India during the middle ages. She wrote some great poetry. Her Guru was Bhagat Ravidas Jee.

You, being a Jat, want to have all the privileges. Punjabi Jat Sikh (same for haryana Hindu Jats) cannot get OBC status as they are NOT backward. every prominent position has been usurped by them. they are the richest community, already over-represented in every field. Punjab Police for example is a Jat Police force.

Farming is not as profitable as it was a generation or two ago. Now with every passing generation, the land holdings are getting smaller and smaller. Now Jats(both Hindus and Sikhs) have come to understand that they need to get jobs in order to survive as middle class. But they have come to realize that in order to get Jobs, the OBC status can and does help tremendously.

Personally I liked Manpreet Badal's proposal to scrap caste based reservations and introduce reservation based on one's poverty level irrespective of caste.

about a decade or so ago the Jats in Rajasthan had been declared OBC. This status had tremendously benefited their community from government jobs to education. Seeing them, Jats all over north India have been wanting to get OBC status. Punjab is the latest. Let's not try to compare the west to India. India is a different ball game with different rules. To get a decent job one needs sifaarish and rishwat and if you don't have these then you need OBC. It's almost like the Laws of physics are completely different in India.

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It's the only way to get government jobs now. Others have been taking advantage of BS status, jats are no different. They also want a piece of the pie.

Dal singh, neither you nor Hindustani represent the two faiths. Not all singhs are gangtsa nor all Hindus are nerds.Have a tour of Khap country and you would think that Jat Sikhs are such a sophisticated community. look at Tamil Tigers' recent history and you would think khalistanis are such mellow in comparison. Study Asom freedom fighters/terrorists working class? what you know about the toiling billion strong population of india. the segment you are addressing is restricted to few millions. i wish you know more about the peasants toiling in Andhra pradesh or Rajsthani...i wish you have better idea about the Indian army recruitment drives in bihar and elsewhere which always end up in riots as 20% or so positions are reserved for a community with two percent population.

For once I agree with Sher here and fully disagree with Hindustani. Not all Hindus are like the Punjabi Hindus and Gujus who sadly give the Hindus the emasculate image that we are so familiar with and who have to leech off the legacy of other more brave Hindu ethnicities(like the Marathas, Rajasthanis). Not all Hindus are cowards. The Hindu Jats, Gujjars, Rajputs, Gurkhas, Marathas, Tamils can and do punch back when provoked. But of these people only the Marathas are religious nationalists like the Sikh people, the other ones although brave are not religious nationalists.

Once again this fellow refuses to conduct any research before making such claims.

Zakat has got nothing to do with kafirs. Zakat is about alm-giving by the wealthy Muslims. Its a institution from where Sikhs got inspiration for Dasvandh. i would let him do some homework and find out about the tax Muslims imposed on kafirs. No spoon-feeding of a fanatic.

no clue what he is trying to say about Khalsa Raaj and muslim state.

Sikhi didn't get inspired by any religion. Sikhi is a divine religion of Vaheguru. Daswand(10%) is not Zakat which is only 2%

Don't get me wrong, I agree hindu achievements in the education and business department (especially the medical field) is admirable and commendable. No one in their right mind can take that away and if anyone tried to, they would be a fool in my opinion.

I guess it boils downs to your conception of society. If we think that they are generally stable, then the fact that hindus don't 'worry' about 'low level gangster stuff' (as you have characterised it), is the perfect response.

If, however, this is isn't an accurate conception, and societies can suddenly turn hostile and violent for whatever social, political, economic reason(s), then the picture is different.

Again, I'm not under any illusion that all Sikhs are some doughty warriors, as I've encountered plenty of cowards amongst us, but - I still think at this moment, us admittedly generally less educated/sophisticated and less politically savvy Sikhs have - at this time in the UK - (at least a slightly) better capacity to defend ourselves than our Hindu brethren. I'm not going to lie; I think this is good because I do believe that sometimes societies can get nasty towards minorities.

Although it may be an extreme example, it may be worthwhile remember the fate of the Jews who were also very successful and highly educated in Europe in the run up to world war 2.

Just look at the situation of Punjabi Hindus of west Punjab right before partition. They along with the Sikhs of west Punjab were the wealthiest and most industrious people in India. And in the case of the Hindus, they were also very educated. But when things got hostile, what good did all that wealth, education do? in the end people of east Punjab had to resort to the "low level gangstar stuff".

The jews of Europe are another example people who thought they could rely on their success within Europe. But no amount of success could stop their holocaust. They are an example for us to follow. Today they have their own country that they can call home. Now they have a standing army which can beat any army in the middle east or even Europe.

Any individual ignoring the power of hindu civilization to defend itself is a fool! Buddhism nearly brought hinduism to extinction until a ferocious comeback resestablishing hinduism. The moslems deep into their rule nearly brought hinduism to extinction until once again a ferocious comeback starting in the 16th century.

Ignore at your own peril. There is a saying for people like this "getting high on your own supply"

the khalsa or the mullahs dont have a chance in la la land against a fairly united hinduism...

The Khalsa does not want to finish Hinduism or any other religion. That's not our agenda, never was and never will be. Sikhs only want to live as equals and not be politically dominated by anyone else because we have seen what happens when we are politically dominated by first the Muslims and now the Hindus.

As for the Muslims. They are not peaceful Buddhists who were able to be absorbed by a resurgent Hinduism under Shankaracharya. By nature Muslims are very aggressive in comparison to Hindus. Even if they are a minority, they see themselves as rightful rulers. They are already in the process of taking over Bengal and Kerala and will try to turn it into another Kashmir once they have the demographic power. Due to Deobandi indoctrination, their militant strain is getting even more dangerous.

Having pet dogs i know that chewing things that are not soft make the teeth stronger over time. Chewing Ginger is a good place to start

What kind of dog do you have, what breed is it?

Sher as usual you are over exaggerating the Maratha episode which is nothing but a foot note in the history of Punjab. And how did they "liberate" punjab from Mughal tyranny? They came to Punjab as a party to an tripartite alliance which consisted of Mughals, Marathas and Sikhs. It was the combined effort of all three that drove out the Afghans from Punjab. But once the Afghans were driven out, the Mughals and Marathas sidelined the Sikhs.

So thanks to the Marathas, now the situation was that Punjab again fell under Islamic Mughal rule. And the first thing the Mughals under Adina Beg did was the persecute the Sikhs. For this task, he gathered chiefs from all over Punjab, the Janjuas, Gakhars, Ghebas from Pothohar, the Pathans settled in Punjab, Randhawa Jats in central Punjab, Hindu Paharias from the hills of Punjab. All these Hindu and Muslims chiefs of Punjab made a combined effort with the Mughals in carrying out a new wave of genocide of the Sikhs. So severe was this new genocide that the Sikhs all over Punjab retreated into the thick jungles of Majha. The Mughals then hired 4000 Tarkhans to cut up the forests.

This was one of the worst episodes of Sikh history all thanks in part to the Marathas who helped the Mughals regain the lost province of Punjab from the Afghans and instead of doing the right thing and befriending the Sikhs by giving Punjab to them. For the first time since the horrible days of Zakharia Khan, Sikhs were again prevented from entering Darbar Sahib. So now Sikhs again had to start from scratch and work their way up to liberate Punjab. Even historian HariRam Gupta notes this was a HUGE mistake made by the Marathas because of which the Sikhs did not help them in the 3rd battle of Panipat. And also this was one of the reasons why the Sikhs opposed the 1857 'rebellion' by the sepoys, Rohillas, Marathas to revive the Mughal empire in India. Our people already saw what a mistake it was to help the Marathas and Mughals the first time and did not want to repeat that in 1761 and 1857

Two of the benefits of a Dattan is 1 the chewing on the tough bark and 2 the fibre rubbing against the teeth. 2 can come from brushing your teeth but 1 can only come from chewing plants. If you eats lots of raw vegetables in salad like carrots and cabbage that are tough to chew then it has a similar effect as dattan.

Dattan of neem tree is great because of the medicinal properties of the tree.

Sometimes we do not understand it but there is a lot of wisdom in the lifestyle of the elderly generation. During their time they didn't have tooth brush/past and shampoos. They used Dattan and instead of Shampoo they used yogurt. My Grand mother tells me that when she was young there were barely any bald people back then as baldness has become so common today. Even the medications they took, it was made by experienced Hakeems who had knowledge of the ancient sciences of Ayurveda. Today our people have abandoned all these things and take modern medicine which almost always has side effects.

I have heard that using the Dattan to brush your teach makes them strong which is why during olden times, people did not have teeth falling out even at old age. But now with people using modern things like tooth brush/paste and shampoo they are having their teeth and hair fall out at old age.

Mind you there were Nihung elements in Darbar Sahib on that fateful day, Ajaib Singh Mahakaal, Nihung Rasaal Singh; who can guarantee they were vegetarians? Some crappy ass dim-witted author? But if you do want to stick to your view very ardently than go onto that other forum. In a way the fact that the Nihungs attempted to broker peace with the Indian state was a good move. Look where Akalis and crew got us when we followed them.

I heard that under the influence of Sant Jee's sangat, many Nihangs had become vegetarians.

Anyway, my response was not to insult Nihangs. I respect them for their dedication to Rehit. I only wrote this in response to Singh1984 who said meat eating is for warriors while vegetarian diet is for peaceful types like Nirmalas and Udasi sadhus.

Yeh, seriously.... it doesn't have to be street drugs because there are plenty of people hooked on prescription meds and they don't even realise it !

HAHA that's true. I have an Aunt who takes these prescription medications for the smallest of things and she's hooked but she doesn't even realize it.