JungChamkaur

you guys dont worship them but every puratan sikh did... look at every sikh palace there is a mandir.. dont try to learn history from fools coming from low families of no rank and import. ask any old important sikh family. this all changed when the brits colonized low castes and relegated them to the inferior state they find themselves in today. look at the forts and histories of sikh leaders and you will see they were typical hindu sikhs...

1. They aren't fake gods and goddesses, if thats what you think then you have to re-read gurbani and reassess your claims. 2. The rajputs, despite many having matrimonial ties to mughals, were not cowards. Cowards don't fight wars left, right and centre. To understand indian history you have to look at every region's royal family's history and understand the anarchic environment and the realpolitik that structured their actions. For instance, Patiala and Jaipur helped Abdali when he invaded India. The Hindu Jats of Bharatpur helped the Marathas (albeit not militarily). The same Jats had actually helped Marathas (and employed Sikh mercenaries) against Jaipur earlier. Vasundhra Raje is married to the same family today. Look it up. Also, the same Jaipur house had actually conquered Afghanistan and defeated Afghan tribes as Iv told you before. Also here is a very intriguing fact about the Katoch who defeated Mughal seiges 22 times in Kangra: A.D. 1691 Maharaja Bhim Chandra ascended to the throne. He was a contemporary to Emperor Aurangzeb. Aurangzeb's intolerance towards the Hindus and his act of breaking old temples to give way for Mosques turned Maharaja Bhim Chandra into a rebel. He joined Guru Gobind Singh Ji The two of them successfully routed Mian Khan and the Raja of Jammu who had been sent by Aurangzeb to crush the rebellion in Punjab. Maharaja Bhim Chandra is still remembered in Sikh Songs. In return of his alliance with Guru Govind Singh Ji The Guru gave him a hereditary title of Dharam Rakshak (Defender of the Hindu faith). (Maharaja Bhim Chandra's younger brother Kirpal Chandra built the Kirpal Kul a water course from the snow fed streams to the districts below of Bhawrana. This was the largest water course in India (when built) and is still used by people for irrigation).

Mughal world doesnt necessarily mean "islamic" world. Akbar founded his own religion deen-i-illahi (religion of god) and he fused islamic teachings with hinduism. Afghans and Bengali Muslim Kings rebelled including his own godfather Bairam Khan. During this period Dhulla Bhatti and his Bhatti kinsmen were also rebelling against Akbar. Bairam Khan was defeated by Rana Udho Singh Ghorewaha of Machiwara and Raja Maan Singh a kinsmen of Udho Singh went on to pass the khyber and defeat the afghans that had risen in revolt. Raja Maan Singh became the governor of Kabul for several years following his triumph over the pashtuns.

Thakur Jorawar Singh, was the eldest son of Thakur Shardul Singh, the ruler of Jhunjhunu. He was born at Kant, married and had children. He died in 1745. He built Jorawargarh fort (which later on served as a Prison/Jail) and presently houses some Govt. offices in the city of Jhunjhunu. He was the ancestor of the families of Chowkari, Taen, Malsisar, Mandrella, Dabri Dheer Singh, Gangiyasar, etc. Another Rajput noble of Kanoata was named Thakur Zorawar Singh but he was quite recent. Dont forget the hindu dogra rajput Zorawar Singh Kahluria. Fateh Singh, Ajit singh have commonly been used by Rajputs during and before the Sahibzaday. Jhujar Singh hasnt.

In January 1841 Sher Singh, son of Ranjit Singh, tried to seize the throne of Lahore but was repulsed by the Jammu brothers. The defence of the fort was in the hands of Gulab Singh. According to his European artillery commander Alexander Gardner: "The Dogras on the walls began to look over and were jeered at by Sher Singh’s troops, the little fort was surrounded by a sea of human heads. Gulab Singh made contemptuous replies, and roared out to Sher Singh, demanding that he should surrender... With a wild yell some 300 Akalis swept up the Hazuri Bagh and crowded into the gate. Just at that moment, when the crowd was rushing in on us, their swords high in the air, I managed to fire the ten guns, and literally blew them into the air... Then Sher Singh fled and grievous carnage ensued. The Dogras, always excellent marksmen, seemed that day not to miss a man from the walls... we counted the bodies of no less than 2800 soldiers, 200 artillerymen, and 180 horses." After peace was made between the two sides, Gulab Singh and his men were allowed to leave with their weapons. On this occasion, he is said to have taken away a large amount of the Lahore treasure to Jammu. Subsequently, Gulab Singh conquered the fort of Mangla (near the present Mangla Dam on the Jhelum River). your sher singh, flaunting flags of mata devi and hanumanji ran from the dogra rajput...

Raja Jagat Chand saw to it that the state reached the zenith of its prosperity and his name is, even now, remembered with pride and respect. The Raja, at the head of 14,000 Rajputs raised in his own country, conducted a most difficult but successful enterprise against the Uzbeks of the Balkh and Badakhshan provinces of Afghanistan. They stormed mountain passes, made forced marches over snow, constructed redoubts by their own labour, the Raja himself taking an axe like the rest, and bore up against the tempests of that frozen region as firmly as against the fierce and repeated attacks of the Uzbeks. Raja Jagat Singh’s grandson, Raja Mandata, held at bay the Afghans of the Bamiyan and Ghorband regions. जगता राजा भगता राजा बस देव का जाया सिन्धु मारे सागर मारे हिमाचल देवा पाया आकाश को अरबा किता तान जगाता कहाया "Jagat Raja, the devout Raja, son of Bas Dev. He conquered the country beyond the Indus, he pitched his camp on the Snow Mountains and pointed his guns towards the heavens, and therefore was he called Jagata!"

Towards the end of 1586, the Mohmand and Ghoria tribes in Peshawar rose in rebellion under one Jalaluddin 'Jalalah' Taraki. The Brahman, Birbal, could not suppress it nor could the Khatri Vaishya, Todarmal, and Taraki continued to create trouble; but the operations of Raja Maan Singh Kachawaha aided by Rawat Gopal Das of Nindar against the Taraki tribe induced even the Orakzais and Afridis into submission. Rawat Gopal Das severed the head of one Katloo Khan during a pitched battle which took place in the Kunar Valley. Raja Jagat Singh Pathania would later be sent to chastise Jalalah's younger son, Kareem Dadh Khan. When the Raja reached Naghaz, all the pashtun tribes, except Lakan and two others with whom Kareem Dadh was allied, submitted. When, however, they saw that their safety lay in surrendering to the Rajputs, they seized the culprit along with his family and handed them over to the troops. A formidable soldier, Jagat Singh Pathania was mainly responsible for driving out the Persians from Kabul as well as conquering Zameen-e-Dawar, a district located northwest of Qandahar and inhabited by the Alizai, Barakzai and Durrani tribes.

The last comment is citing a reference that is not accurate or factual. There have been many alliances between pashtuns and indians over the centuries and here is an important quote from an afridi pathan (might be another tribe but a sardar nevertheless) to maharaja of jaipur: “My tribe has been connected with your august family from olden times. My ancestors, through the patronage and mediation of the late Maharajah Maan Singh, became mansabdars of the Emperor. I wish to present myself before you, enter your service and thus manifest our old devotion.” – Bhai Khan Maral The Mughal nobles in his army advised Maan Singh against pitched battles with the Pashtuns but the Raja did just that and dealt them a brutal defeat at which point the tribals retreated into the hills; Kunwar Jagat Singh, eldest son of the Raja, led the van in this egagement. In 1580 CE, some prominent Muslim officers of Akbar, displeased with his liberal religious policies, started to conspire against him. Qazi Muhammad Yazdi declared it the duty of every Muslim to rebel against Akbar. In Bihar and Bengal they declared Mirza Hakim, Akbar's stepbrother and Governor of Kabul, to be the emperor. Akbar sent armies to Bihar and Bengal to crush this rebellion, while he himself started towards Kabul; Man Singh with him. On March 8, 1581, Akbar reached Machhiwara and soon arrived on the banks of River Indus, he then sent an advance force led by Man Singh to Kabul. Although, Akbar's army was hesitating to cross the swelling Indus River, Man Singh was able to cross it first followed by troops. Hearing the news Mirza Hakim fled to Gurband. Following the army, Akbar himself arrived at Kabul on August 10, 1581. Hakim was pardoned by Akbar, but his sister "Bakhtunissa Begum" was appointed Governor of Kabul. After Akbar returned to Fatehpur Sikri; Bakhtunissa remained as the nominal head of state, while Hakim acted as the Governor (Hakim died in July, 1582). Kabul was annexed by the Mughal Empire and Man Singh was appointed Governor. He remained in Kabul for some years and built a fortress, used by succeeding Mughal Governors. Man Singh brought many talented men with him when he returned from Kabul. Some of their descendants still live in Jaipur. Again in 1585 CE, some Afghan tribes rose against the Mughal empire. The Yusufzai and "Mandar" tribes were the main ones among them. Akbar sent an army under Zain Khan, Hakim Abul Fateh and Raja Birbal to control these revolting tribes. However, they failed to control the revolting Afghans and Raja Birbal, friend of Akbar and one of his Navratnas was also killed in the battle with Afghans. Akbar then sent Raja Todar Mal to crush the revolt and called Raja Man Singh to help Todar Mal. Todarmal had some success in controlling the rebellious Afghan tribes, but the real source of the revolt was behind the Khyber Pass. It was hard to cross this pass which was dominated by Afghan "Kabailies". Man Singh was accompanied by "Rao Gopaldas" of Nindar in this expedition, who bravely made way for Mughal army in the pass. After crossing the pass Man Singh decisively defeated five major tribes of Afghans including Yusufzai and "Mandar" tribes. The flag of Amber was changed from "Katchanar" (green climber in white base) to "Pachranga" (five colored) to commemorate this victory. This flag continued in use until accession of Jaipur state in India. This permanently crushed the revolt and the area remained peaceful thereafter. In 1586 CE, Akbar sent another army under Raja Bhagwant Das, father of Kunwar Man Singh to win Kashmir. Kashmir was included in the Mughal Empire and made a Sarkar (district) of Kabul province. Man Singh and his father Raja Bhagwant Das are reputed to have brought the technology of cannon production to Amber. Kachwahas and Bhattis have been known to attack afghans and defeating them past khyber as retaliation for invading Punjab. Raja Jagat Singh Pathania led successful expeditions up to badakhshan and bukhara.

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as far as being soldiers goes, i would say ranghars would defeat sikhs at any time.. its only because of internal divisions amongst ranghars that sikhs were able to defeat them anyways as tribes fought by themselves and when you look at indo-pak wars thats simply because of indian military superiority in all fields of comparison. if you actually compared a malwai lalu and majhail in his personal setting (his pind) to a ranghar in pakistan... there is a world of a difference and the ranghar is vastly superior to the eastern punjabi in terms of courage, bravery and anakh. sikhs are a very cheap and frugal people who like eating free food. otherwise cant even give cha da cup to anyone. ranghars are big hearted and men of their word. unlike the sikh who is like a saini or a pappa and says whatever is appropriate in a setting to save his own skin. in our area it is common to see jatts start problems when theyre drunk and get beat up and show up the next morning with their pag in our feet asking for forgiveness.

thing is. most of you people dont step out of your khoos and talabs so you just stay in punjab. most punjabis are shit scared of visiting bihar and areas like chambal. hell, jatts cant even step to rajputs in nawanshahr or himachal. wherevere there are rajputs in punjab its held by them. look at pathankot or nawanshahr. the malwai is nothing but talk like the brars in bhangus story. one sikhi lost the mohyal brahmins, the khatris and rajputs, sikhi never formed a potent political alternative ever again.

mind you the bhayyas that conquered lahore darbar were bhumihar brahmins and thakurs not yadavs or other shudra castes of bihar... you can go to bihar and see for yourself who the bhumihar brahmins are and the rajputs... they are very belligerent and haughty. the most dangerous states in india are UP MP and Bihar i would say. the gujjars, brahmins and rajputs of these states have produced many dacoits and brigands and can still overrun punjab if the need was to arise today.

a handful of rajput kingdoms fought the sikhs, the only proper cases you can cite are attacks at anandpur... most of the other battles that took place between sikhs and rajputs consisted of sikhs vastly outnumbering the rajput tribes they were at war with. the only times rajputs outnumbered sikhs was at anandpur attack. all battles after that were just pathetic and typical sheep vs lion or slaves vs master fights. look at other cases where sikhs fought against jaipur... or maybe look at the fact that many rajputs actually became sikh themselves. regardless of that, ghorewaha rajputs have defeated sikh rajputs in doaba. there are other instances i have mentioned in this forum already like when ramgarhias ran away from a single rajput. and even guru gobind singh says that hari singh (i think) yelled kaal kaal everywhere he went and killed many brave warriors. regardless, the truth is that patiala and other satluj states have crushed the lahore darbar. new sikhs are not representative of pre-singh sabha era. post-singh sabha era sikhi is dominated by low caste jatts who have turned sikhi into their personal jagir and can never ever amount to anything ever again since they are not even honest about their own heritage, religion and history. the fact that jatts were defeated by "sikhs" is interesting and very odd at the same time but I guess it makes sense because most sikhs were mostly khatri brahmin and rajput rather than low caste scum like yourselves. so it makes sense why jatts had to get slapped up in bhangus story and in 1984. 1984 was mostly a jatt sikh vs indian state ordeal rather than a sikh vs indian conflict. pseudo sikh needs a state like pakistan so it can elevate its false history and lies to a state level like pakistan and forget about its own heritage. now the same khatris and brahmins and rajputs that formed sikhi are the ones slapping the new owners of sikhi but i guess this doesnt apply to rajputs because sikh rajputs are mehton anyways and their inbred halfbreeds who dont even get recognized as full rajputs by real hindu rajputs.

Sikhs can't read or understand history hence they are extremely pathetic at politics. Numbers don't lie, Sikhs history can't even amount to rathore history... Don't even bother trying to compare yourselves to other tribes and rajputs as a whole. Perhaps the rajputs at chamkaur and raikot and himachal and bangla sahib should have let the gurus get murdered by the mughals....

Sikhs today are a joke as a community due to the fact that people like amardeep can't even read history properly. Hence you see the whole kom at the feet of various nations.