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After viewing the link , i believe we need religion / guidance How do we know if were are doing good or bad ? We don't , I believe we need guidance, guidance can be in sikhs case from the sri guru granth sahib , but we must action the guidance otherwise it is useless.

wahe guru ji ka khalsa wahe guru ji ke fateh The following is an extract from the book Hair Power written by Sarup Singh Alag in particualr his section about Guru, Gurbani and Hair chapter 4 page 81 Sarup Sing Alag also mentions in his book that it is scientifically proven that the hair serves as a factory providing Vitamin D for the body , Vitamin D protects a person against TB , and is essential element for bones,teeth and the nervous system. Guru,Gurbani and Hair Chapter 4 page 84 ( Note :- I will not attempt to quote the whole chapter just part of it , hopefully the translation from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib made by Sarup Singh Alag Guru Nanak describing the beautiful image of God , has said ` Beautiful are thine eyes, relish - giving thy teeth , O Lord Thou art the Lord who hast graceful nose and long hair' SGGS Page 567 Guru Amar Dass Ji , in one of his hymns , says of the beards : ' True are the beards Which touch the Gurus feet They who , night and day , serve the Guru Ever abide in bliss' True are the faces and true the beards of those who utter and practise the truth SGGS page 1419 Reference to hair in Gurubani can also be found as detailed below :- 'With their every hair they utter the Lords name and every moment remember they that Lord SGGS page 1247 With every hair, every hair of mine I meditate on the Lord through the Guru SGGS page 443 In every hair,mind and body of mine is in the pang of separation Without seeing the Lord I can sleep not SGGS page 836 Gods name is permeating every hair of mine The perfect Guru has given it to me in charity SGGS page 1144 In every hair( of mine) dwells the Lord, the Enemy of pride ( SGGS page 344) Baba Farid also says:- Farid, the hair of head are grey My beard is grey , my moutaches are also grey O my thoughtless and insane soul Why enjoyest thou revelments SGGS page 1380 Baba Farid was a pious Muslim Sufi Saint. It is evident from his hymn quoted above that the hair on his head and of his beard and moustaches were intact and unshorn. This reflects the general life style of 13th century people who preferred to keep unshorn hair Bhagat Bhikhan says:- The water flows from mine eyes My body has become weak My hair have assumed the milk-colour Mine throat is choked And cannot utter even a word what can I, a mere mortal, do now ? SGGS page 659 In this hymn Bhagat Bhikhan makes a beautiful reference to his white ( grey) hair Bhagat Kabir also satirizes those who trim their hair :- A) If one gets sidhi through getting oneself shaved off all the sheep would have got liberation In the following couplet he hints if having natural hair by all human beings till death Mans bones burn like the log wood Hair burn like the bundle of grass ( SGGS page 870) Bhagat Namdev in his hymn " Ferry me across the World Ocean ' O the World-Lord,'' addresses Lord-God several times as one posessing beautiful hair For example My body is drowning therein, O my Lord bearing keshas Ferry me across O my Lord bearing keshas ( SGGS page 1196) Or Hail, unto thee , O my darling Father the lord of wealth Thous art long- haired and dark-hued SGGS page 988 How beautiful the hair of Waheguru would be that Bhagat Namdev sees only his hair instead of his other numerous qualities and he sings their praises again and again. Bhagat Ravidas and the Hair Thou beautifully dressest they hair and wearest slanting turban on thy head But this body shall be reduced to a heap of ashes SGGS 659 Besides references to the hair in the Gurbani , we feel pleasure in recording here that the holy hair of Guru Amar Das are still preserved at Goindwal for the benefit of pilgrims visiting the shrine. A few holy hair of Guru Gobind Singh Ji are preserved with the royal family of erstwhile nabha State. Sri Guru Ram Das increased the grandeur of the hair by referring to them as ' a fly whisk [ of his own hair] for the Guru" To cleanse the feet of thine slave with my head hair this is the object of my life. ( SGGS page 500) My Lord, I am sacrifice unto the Gods attendants Making the whisk of my hair I wave it over them. And , the dust of their feet I apply to my face. SGGS page 749 Making a fan of my hair, I have it as a whisk over the saint SGGS page 745 According to verses like ' waving the whisk made of hair' the hair have been termed so pious , excellent and precious that such a whisk should be waved over Akalpurakh alone.

I believe we should maintain heritage at all costs , its our hitory our identity . We should consult top historians / restoratioists when undertaking any work in order to preserve its authenticity, plan work to its finest details even though it may take years to do. I also believe if planned correctly sri harmandir sahib being a tourist attraction as well as a place of worship is not a bad thing, because more people come to visist sri harmandir sahib and ask questions / have guides explaining the history of Sri Harmandir Sahib , people would become more aware of sikhism , knowldege would grow amongst the young and old , regardless of their caste / colour , hopefully have such an impact that they become spirtually enlightened. Not long ago I went to Anand pur sahib , and was shocked that the gurdwarar was painted white i.e. the marble was painted white We need to establish who makes these kind of decisions , also at Sri Harmandir Sahib my family wanted a room so we could stay the night , rather than welcoming us and tellling us the necessary details the seva dars wanted to see our British Passports / Credit card details to check whether we were really from the UK , so that we could get a room . This shocked me and made me think , what about the sangat who aren;t as lucky as us with credit cards British Passports , how would they get a room ? wheres the equality ? wheres the pyar ?

chinderpalsing , there are always 2 side to the story , I agree 100% with what you are saying , if a person says bow down to me then that is wrong and should be dealt with accordingly , especially in the presence of sri guru granth sahib Saying that I have seen him and seen DVD's of him preaching , and I have seen him tell people not to bow infront of him , bow infront of sri guru granth sahib ji. Either he is preaching one thing and practising another or there must be an explanation for this . In india bowing down to elderly people or ustads is a show of respect and not of worship . There will be a minority who bow down to him becuase they think they'' get some sort of spirtual gain from this. When he came to the UK , there was a huge gathering all the halls were full at the gurudawars. When he vistited each hall , there were some people who bowed down to him after he walked passed them. How can you stop that ? There was also people from the sangat collecting money for there cause , even though he said the biggest maya we can give him is that you take something away from the preaching and act on it accordingly and take amrit .

Do you know what purpose he is collecting the money for ? I've seen him when he came to the U.K whether he was fake , hypocrite only god knows . But he was preaching from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and insisting people not to bow down to hime or give any money , I saw it myself , people don't stop , they carry on anyway. His purpose was to make sangat take amrit , is that a bad thing ? Secondly , don' you think everyone does this i.e. make collections 1. If you listen to radio stations , don't they plead the sangat to make donations ( is this wrong also ?) 2. When a gurudawara opens a radio station for 1 month , even though it is from the sangats money that has opened it in the first place , they ask for sponsors on the air ( is this wrong also ?) 3. You get a top ragi performing shabads at gurudawaras , do they perform for free ( i don't think so) then they move from one temple to another. ( is this wrong also) Where do we draw the line ? 4. Personally I believe if you can get something good from a person then take it in otherwise , disgard it.

very nice story taken from :- http://www.sikh-history.com/cgi-bin/Ultima...ic;f=1;t=001992 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects. When they eventually touched on the subject of God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God exists." "Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist. Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things." The customer thought for a moment, but didn't respond because he didn't want to start an argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and unkempt. The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am abarber. And I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did,there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me." "Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist!What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and suffering in the world." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I may be related to alot of things but it doesn't mean i eat them every time i see them

i believe that , how would we feel if someone killed our family and ate them , cooked there limbs in olive oil with MDH massala How would we feel ?

Hope this helps you , ( I read your thread and was very sadened to hear you have been through such unhappiness , I don't classify my self knowing everything about sikhism ( more the opposite ) or even put myself in your shoes , I just thought I share the little knowledge which may or may not insert Wahegurus Faith backi in you) you can try :- 1.listening to Kirtan alot 2. Go to gurudwara everyday , or more often , and when there share your feelings with Waheguru 3. listening to katha , and understanding it ( I found Bhai Ranjeet Singh Dhadrian wale katha , very effictive) its simple to understand 4. Reading sikh scriptures inspirational sakis , the history of the gurus etc. 5. listen to Radio if your in the UK evry vaskahi and on siri guru nanak dev jis birthday , council of sikh gurudwaras open a radio station for 1 month ( 24x7 ) constantly about sikhism ( Some discussion topics they have are very inspirational and educating ) OR even on SKY 880 , 926, 900 channels 5. When you have low self esteem or not , when you are walking/ sitting , recite waheguru in your mind .

very good is point k correct Should it read one should NOT ......... BUT think God is in all

Good post , what were your answers ? From the first grasp of answering these questions , I would answer them as follows probably wrong but here goes ) 1. What was the need for sikhism ? reply:- What is the need for any religion ? 2. Yes The Gurus are tolerant of other religions , but not necessarily true that other religions are tolerant of the Gurus. Sikhism believes in one god , it is a universal religion , sri guru nanak dev ji , when preaching did not go round preaching to convert people but to make people aware of what is true and what is false . Sri Guru nanak Devi Ji explained to people if you want to become a muslim become a proper muslim , likewise for christians, hindu etc.. 3&4 Yes sri guru granth sahib is the word of god ? see following post http://allaboutsikhs.com/gurus/gurugranth.htm 5. God sends down new revelations when there is so much hatred, hurt amongst the human race , in this case aurganzeb was converting people to ISLAM by any means possible , no other religion stood up to him , alot even converted. Where were the other religions ? Why didn't they assist in stopping such carnage and oppression? This new revelation put a stop to this , and GURUS gave their lives to this cause so that WE yes WE would not have to go through such torture and oppression. will post more later

the public couldn't record at this venue but there were 3rd party company video recording at this venue , and will publish the ( VCDs/DVDS) in the near future .Like a lot of people I want to get hold of the recording , when / if i do i'll let you guys know .( i am working on this at the moment ) Have you see his site , there are some recordings to listen to , especially his international kerva www.taritabla.com

he was superb , the clarity of the table was un-believeable. The concert was well balanaced , in the sense it wasn;t just classical tabla playing , some modern fusion stuff was played as well

i think when it comes to kaam , it means lusting over other women other than your life partner ( i.e. your wife) is wrong When you mention can't enjoy "sequal material" you don't want to do this , becuase if you are enjoying this kind of " material" then your mind is constantly thinking about these desires . When confronted by the opposite or even the same gender , the images that you enjoyed whilst viewing the "material" are being visualised in your mind and in some extreme cases thats when abuse occurs You should only have eyes for your partner ( i.e. wife , husband)

Who on Punjab radio are broadcasting these bad rumours ? Have anyone heard the exact dialogue , if so are they targeting against Baba Ranjeet Singh Ji ? There has to be some hatred between certain members of Punjab Radio and Channel 926 Amrit.bani In order to pursue this further and mail punjab radio we need a bit more facts , from these facts it may be a good idea to write a standard letter signed by sangat and then sent to them , rather than individual responses.