Crystal

The hallmark of a true warrior is he who recognises Katcha and Paka (Chatka) Hath . Meaning the Katcheh Gatkabaj by not appreciating Katch Paka . Go for strikes which are Katcheh and thus stand a good chance getting themselves killed . By not appreciating Katch and Paka they can not properly anticipate (Tar) correctly an opponents intentions . Thus they become defensively weak . Both the warriors know the duel can only end in one of their deaths . Chatka Gatka can only be done with the mind fully focused on Kal meaning death meaning Chatka meaning Nishchet Jeet meaning a complete victory . Thus unlike in Jahir Kach Gatka in Chatkabaji when indulging in challenges (Mukablas ) , Chatka Gatka can not be play fully shown . It can only be done

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' People who disrespect-dilute-ignore real Khalsa traditions, piss off. '
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Here is the contact details of the above place I mentioned. 
 
 

WJKK WJKF - interesting listen.
However, sadly why do I feel I have never actually met any  persons truly representing Panj Pyare across UK, India or Canada. Breaking it down as in katha above, I truly believe the 5 Pyare are embodiment of such distinguished qualities that are NOT humanly possible to achieve to completion - so why do we get men dressed up representing such distinguished qualities ?
1. Daya  -  merciful, kind, compassionate
2. Dharam -   righteous living
3. Himmat -  courageous 
4. Muhkam - steadfast 
5. Sahib - masterly / lordly
Surely we should be confessing to the qualities not the people trying to represent the qualities. As this is what I feel Japji Sahib refers to.
Bhul Chuk Maaf Mere Waheguru

The hallmark of a true warrior is he who recognises Katcha and Paka (Chatka) Hath . Meaning the Katcheh Gatkabaj by not appreciating Katch Paka . Go for strikes which are Katcheh and thus stand a good chance getting themselves killed . By not appreciating Katch and Paka they can not properly anticipate (Tar) correctly an opponents intentions . Thus they become defensively weak . Both the warriors know the duel can only end in one of their deaths . Chatka Gatka can only be done with the mind fully focused on Kal meaning death meaning Chatka meaning Nishchet Jeet meaning a complete victory . Thus unlike in Jahir Kach Gatka in Chatkabaji when indulging in challenges (Mukablas ) , Chatka Gatka can not be play fully shown . It can only be done

Talking about such cuts Bhai Ratan Singh Bhangu in Prachin Panth Prkash says ; ‘Cham mas Shashter lgeh toh Singh maneh nahen . Hadh lgeh tbh bal ghteh tbh Singh kshuk thkaeh-n .’ If weapons hit skin and flesh Singhs ignore them . Only when weapons cut down to bones then are they weakened and they feel some tiredness .
Although Kacheh Hath are initially on whole harmless but in time they can fester up and prove fatal . This was one reason , to suppress the niggling discomfort of such Katcheh Haths that the Guru’s and Nihang Sikhs of old took Sukha and other drugs . Again it must be pointed out in a fight many times an opportunity for Chatka best presents it self only when the opponent is engaged in delivering a Katch Hath or when he is engegaded in a Paka Hath wich you then cancel out with your Pentra . For when you are in hitting range it is also then that you are also within the range of getting hit your self . Thus when a Chatkabaj fights many times he can only open up a opponent by offering up his body or part of it as bait to the opponent

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' People who disrespect-dilute-ignore real Khalsa traditions, piss off. '
Elusivefighting@gmail.com
Here is the contact details of the above place I mentioned. 
 
 

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
I would recommend the shastar vidiya akhara on a tuesday in shepards bush. However there is something called the 'art of elusive fighting', I have seen videos of them sparing but have never been to the class...However I read on their facebook it is a mix of old and new martial arts so assuming he has incorporated certain things from shastar vidiya with other elements, you can contact them through their facebook page. 
http://www.shastarvidiya.org/teaching/sava_rakhsha_women.html

' My Ustad Ji never told me his name nor did I ask him I referred to him as Baba Ji . He use to say ; ‘All you need to know is that in the Akali Nihang tradition their is only one true Gatka Ustad meaning Gatka Master his name is Akali Nihang Baba Ktapa Singh .’
 
If their is any one else out there among the Khalsa Kom (Race) with the authentic Platha of Chatkabaji . Then by all means please contact me . In my life time I am obliged by tradition to teach at least five people this complete Chatka Vidiya . Once this is done I can go Gupt(Hidden) if I wish . Plathabaji traditionally is divided into these six categories . (1) Fulthabaji (2) Guthm Gutha (3) Geh Gich (4) Hath Bath (5) Gfm Gfee (6) Paeh Gehneh
At present lacking in Plthabaji some Jahir Gatka Baj have tried to compensate by learning foreign unarmed skills and incorporating them with their Gatka . This in the long run only serves to undermine Sikh martial tradition . Some Jahir Gatkai have gone a different path . With the Chatka Gatka language I have introduced into circulation they are latching onto this and incorporating with their Jahir art . What they will find in the long run as introduce more and more Chatka Gatka into their Jahir Gatka is that Chatka will negate there Jahir art .
I must warn them Chatka is a lethal fighting art . Practised without due attention or experienced supervision can be extremely dangerous . One lad from Manchester on seeing myself and Parmjit demonstrate and give talk on Chatka Gatka . Went away and copying a technique of Chatka Gatka ripped open another young mans arm whilst sparing with him . Thus I recommend caution for any Jahir Gatka Baj who is thinking of incorporating Chatka Gatka technique with his or her Jahir Vidiya .
(2) Bishwa Yudha - Dagger and Knife fighting . Particularly those Daggers and Knives which are held with the tip downward . Bishwa literally means Scorpion .
(3) Fent Yudha - Also Dagger and knife fighting . But particularly those Daggers and Knives which are held like Sword with tip forward at stomach level . Fent literally means stomach .
(4) Augar Shastr Yudha - Combat with various forms of heavy wooden clubs and metal maces .
(5) Ugar Shastr Yudh - Combat with various form of Battle Axes and Sickle type weapons .
(6) Asu Yudh - Fighting with various forms of Short , long , Single hand and Double hand Swords and various forms of Shields .
(7) Pala Yudh - Fighting with various forms of Spears and Lances .
(8) Kapt Hthyar Yudh - Combat with various forms of concealed deceptive weapons such Panther Claws Bagh Nakhe etc.
( 9) Chaptn dee Kiriya - Practice of disarming armed assailants .
(10 ) Dima Dee Lraee - Stone Fighting .
(11) Jtha Yudh - Group Fighting .
(12) Rsal Vidya - Horsemanship .
(13) Nejabaji - Lance and horsemanship .
(14) Dhnu Vidiya - Archery . (
15) Bndook Andaji - Marksmanship with firearms .
(16) Dai Phat Dee Lraee - Study Of Battle strategy .
(17) Tangia Da Gian - Skill of Keeping watch and scouting .
(18) Terna - Swimming .
(19) Mlagiri - Knowledge of Boats . The skill of crossing rivers during the Missal period was very crucial . This is where Mlagiri came into the Chatka Gatka equation . Guru Gobind Singh Ji was nown to keep several boats . On which he would sail down the river and hunt game as it came to drink . The most popular way of crossing a river during the missal period was ; inflating the water carrying goat pouches (Mashka) with air and using there buoyancy to swim across the river . This though not technically a boat but because of connection with crossing rivers was considered part of Mlagiri .
(20) Brin Vidya - Knowledge of healing wounds .
(21) Prachin Sikh Dharmk Te Itehas Da Adyan - Study of ancient Sikh Religious and Historical writings .
(22) Jangi Akali Nihang Prampra Da Adyan - Study of the Martial Traditions of Sikhism ie.the Akali Nihang traditions .
(23) Jangi Bole Da Adyan - Study of ancient battle chants .
(24) Trk Vidya - Art of deriving at the truth through rational reasoning
(25) Malsh Teh Muthi Chapi - Art of Massaging the body . Where as western massage is designed to relax the body . Punjabi massage is designed to flex and limber up the body well as relieve soreness of muscles and limbs . Traditionally it is done applying various oil’s , such as Bdam Rogan (Almond Oil ) , to the body before and after training . Unlike other Martial arts which employ various stretching exercises to flex the body . In Desi (Punjabi) martial arts only Malsh and Muthi Chapi cater for this . Whilst Malsh is being done the Malshi ( One who massages ) whilst rubbing and kneading the body proceeds to twists and turns the joint’s and limb’s thus flexing the whole body .
(26) Shikar - Hunting . This without doubt was one of the most important aspects of Chatka Gatka training . It was the only time you could do regular Chatka with out going onto the battle field . Through hunting animals like deer cunning , stealth , snaring and trapping skills were developed . To develop and test courage the warrior taking a single shot musket in hand or taking a sword and shield in hand went into the densest of jungles to hunt a tiger . A tiger is a animal of great intelligence and cunning himself . With the ability to pounce from thirty feet and slay a man with a single swat of his paw . A hunter who failed to kill the tiger with a single shot from his musket or single blow from his sword . Became tiger lunch . Mounting on horses with lances in hand and chasing down the powerful wild boar who ran twisting and turning . Trying a horse mans horse skills to the limits . The hunter knowing the boar could quickly turn about at any opportune time and knock down the horse and rider . Then with it’s powerful tusks rip open the hunter . Was the best way of training with horse and lance . Shooting wild fowl taught the Singhs to hit moving targets . Shedding and seeing blood and taking life prepared the Khalsa warrior Nihang for the bloody deeds of the battle field . In Gurbilas Dasmi Bhai Sukha Singh Ji writes regards Guru Gobind Singhs Chatka Gatka training thus ; ‘Then went hunting the life of the world (Meaning Guru Gobind Singh Ji ) with many warriors of many types (Meaning warriors armed with different sorts of weapons ) . Against Singhs Guru Ji pitted warriors armed with swords and shields . Some practised with Kartars by themselves they who were warriors of varied skill . One taking a musket with fear in heart he sought out a tiger . (Meaning the fear in the Singhs heart is because of respect of the tiger he hunts ) . The compassionate charitable one (Guru Gobind Jj ) thus in the jungle set up this Yudh Akhara (training place for battle) .’
 
Everything which is underlined and bold I have seen with my own eyes when I visited Nidar Singhs Akhara many years ago.
However ;;;Joojaroo Vidya ( Science of warriors ) does anyone have any more information on this?
 

i beleive that a mauve colour mixed with yellow, purple and pink with sum graffiti paintwork on my kachera will let me attain nirvana

You do NOT lose your gender by taking amrit. Kul nash bhram nash yes, but ling nash? No.
Otherwise if there are no male or female, there is nothing to stop you marrying another man is there?
 
Gurbani says all humans are equal in spirituality alone, not gender. how many times do you need to ask this question and get the same reply?
Next time yu are in Amritsar, go to Sri Akal Takht Sahib and ask just how many women have participated in the monthly sinchars carried out.
 
 
Bingo! So you married a woman. Why ? Your brother or cousin brother carried the same divine light she does. So does your next door neighbour. So does the nextdoor neighbours dog/cat. Why did you discriminate against any of these others?
Are their souls not real? Does your wife have the only real soul in this world, apart from yours? Why are you punishing these other poor souls?

Neem.
Look at what passes for gatka these days:
 

Good to see you back Crystal.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh
Regarding poppy seeds aka cuss cuss, I was walking past a few desi shops recently and came across many sikh shop owners selling dry poppy batteh. Question I wanted to ask  if you are able to use unrefined poppy seeds(not the ones you get from TRS and natco packets etc) should this be an option? 
Also what wood is traditionally used by singhs to do ragra?.
 
Sorry tva parshad, learning how to use weaponary via website videos can be dangerous! please be careful. However most weaponary used by gatka students is blunt.
I personally find the new craze gatka disgusting and disrespectful to women and guruji.
Regard
Crystal

Why should they declare their caste? Are you looking for a rishta for them?

Although I don't agree with Paapiman on some things, he doesn't place his own intellect as being above the Guru. My beloved asat does as she has shown consistently in the past, but she has now said that Sri HariMandir Sahib darshan is beneath her as no women are allowed to do sewa there. How could you get along with someone who thinks her feminazi principles are superior to Sri HariMandir Sahib?

How would the Singhs know if a woman is menstruating?  Do the Singhs have a special device that can tell them which female within the 4 walls of a Gurudvara is on her menstrual period? The Singhs must be very highly developed souls to know exactly which woman is on and which one isn't.
 

Jatts are shudra and Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaaran were used as proof recently to classify Jatts as OBC backward caste recently.
So Jatts are officially a backward caste despite some rich Jatts also like Badal

And I think we have become so up-tight that whenever we hear or see images of devi-devta our anus contracts & we get hemorrhoids. We need to relax a bit.  I think we have become RSS-phobic.
Chandi Mata was a great warrior otherwise Guru Ji would not have mentioned her. There is nothing wrong if Singhs used her images on flags to inspire. Afterall, she was the goddess of war. 

This is a tricky questions since we have to deal with both poetry and history here. In terms of whether the incarnations of the past has happened in history, Bhai Gurdas writes:
ਬਿਸਨ ਲਏ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਦਸ ਵੈਰ ਵਿਰੋਧ ਜੋਧ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ।
Bisan Laay Avataar Das Vair Virodh Jodh Sanghaaray.
Visnu incarnated ten times and decimated his opposing warriors.
 
ਮਛ ਕਛ ਵੈਰਾਹ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਇ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਬਾਵਨ ਬਉਧਾਰੇ।
Machh Kachh Vairaah Roopi Hoi Narasinghu Baavan Baudhaaray.
The incarnations in the forms of fish, tortoise, swine, man-lion, dwarf and Buddha etc. have happened (roop hoye)
 
Now the question comes - are we really talking about animal forms  here? This is where the tricky part comes in because much of Indian history is written in mythology. So historical happenings have been embelleshed with mythology because traditionally for Indians, it was not the details of a certain historical event that was the important thing. What was important was the message that came out of it. 
There was a discussion here many many years ago on whether Hanuman was a monkey. One user mentioned that anthropological and archeological research has suggested that there were tribes in the past that used monkeys, boars etc as their tribal symbol.. So if wars happened between these two tribes, - the later "historians" would recount it as an army of boars against an army of monkeys.. Now due to these embelleshments many people of India have starred themselves blind on the story and not looked into the deeper meaning being conveyed.. But in fact we are talking about human beings... When you Watch sports they will say "The bulls have entered the arena" when refering to Chicago bulls etc.. Obviosly we are not talking about real bulls here running around on the field :p
 
In Bachitar Natak of the Dasam Granth before the hundreds of pages of avatars Begins, Guru Gobind Sing writes:
ਸਾਧ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਜਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ॥
Because of virtuous actions, a person is known as a devta (god)
ਕੁਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਰਮ ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਕਰਹੀ ॥ ਨਾਮ ਅਸੁਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਸਭ ਧਰਹੀ ॥੧੫॥
कुक्रित करम जे जग मै करही ॥ नाम असुर तिन को सभ धरही ॥१५॥
And because of evil actions, he is known as asura (demon).15.
 
Then Begins the many hundred pages of battle descriptions between the gods and demons. With these verses in mind you will think that we are dealing with "history" in the form of mythology and poetic embellishment. Even Sikh authors did this-  Bhai Kesar Singh Chibbar for instance plays with the name Singh (lion), saying the goddes Chandi (representing war) is riding the Singhs (ie warriorhood has descended upon the Sikhs). This is playing with the Century old imagary of the goddess Chandi riding a tiger into battle.
 
No we dont worship them. Worship is for Akal Purakh alone however some of these devtas has become symbols of certain aspects of God. .For instance Saraswati has become the aspect of knowledge and wisdom so many Indian writers have traditionally made a prayer to Saraswaty (ie the creative aspect of God) before they wrote their books. Does that make sense?

When you cook it, make sure you give me a call. And put extra mirchaan in! 
 
 

Let's see. You use an actual photo of yourself on your profile picture. You post an article of an interview with you in the forces which shows your picture and your real name and occupation. You post photos of your wedding. No possible damage to your real life there. But...
I call you by your real name  and suddenly your life is possible danger.
The only damage to your life has been caused by you. The way you have conducted yourself on this forum is despicable. Changing aliases won't help. You have to change yourself. And stop playing the blame game.

I am not pleasant to people who are working to undermine the Guru Khalsa Panth.
 
 
Questioning anything in Sikhi is not taboo for anyone. But when the answers have been provided and you still spread lies on facebook then you are a nindak. You had no intention of learning and placed your own intellect above the Guru's intellect. You can bleat all you want, create as many "guest" ids as you want but you can't hide from it.

I don't understand...how you can think that when MAHAN mahapurakhs have done namaskar to every single word in Dasam granth. What serious research have you done to come to that conclusion other than hear say and what you read on unreliable sources via WWW. Seriously, get over your own ego. 
Crystal

Sorry for using the wrong term. Daas has ignored some people and it is working fine for me. If you ignore someone, that person can still see your posts, but you won't be able to see theirs.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

I've seen this shit SO MUCH over decades brother! 
It's proper wanky though ain't it. When your head was at risk, you was all accepting and ready to be a brother - once the threat is gone, you start to act a c**t! lol
Legendary.
 
That's why such w***ers shouldn't be given the time of day in my opinion. We can spot them a mile off now. This Paapiman is one.