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Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji 

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Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji 

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji 

Continuing a bit forward with the topic of this thread, I would like to share a couple of lines from the Bani of Dhan Dhan Satguru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Maaroo, where Guru Jee clearly points us, the supreme importance of Sant Jan in spiritual affairs:
Sant binaa mai thaa-o na ko-ee avar na soojhai jaavnaa.
Without the Saint, I have no place of rest at all; I cannot think of any other place to go.
Why does He tells us so? 
*Because any other place, is like remaining in darkness... Sant Jan are the embodiment of Akal Purukh, and with them we go back Home.
mohi nirgun ka-o ko-ay na raakhai Santaa sang samaavanaa.
I am unworthy, no one gives me sanctuary. But in the Society of the Saints, I merge in God.
Here He confirms that what is stated above, people all around look at my colour, race, dharam, age, gender, etc; but it is only in their company of Sant Jan, that they look at my soul alone as a spark particle of Wahiguru, thus they accept us, and bless us their grace and mercy as per Hukum of Wahiguru, and naturally then we reach Sach Khand and merge in Wahiguru.
*The Bani has all  answers for all our doubts or shortcomings, but mostly we hardly pay any attention to the Gems contained in It, and rather we just keep looking from a distance to the Jewel Box, when Wahiguru has kept the unlimited spiritual wealth of the Bani for us to take it and use it for ourselves and become Gurmukhs ....
But what do we manmukhs rather do? 
We say, no no, my people are collecting big, big stones, so let me do the same... who has seen the precious Gems and Rubies, we have no time for it...
Such a pity....
Hey Waheguru Daya ke Saagar, ik Ardas hae Aap ke aageh, kuch Meher  karoh jee apne is bandoh peh, kee Aap kee sachee bhakti kareh .....
Sat Sree Akal.

If a Gurudwara does not recite Nitnaym Gurbanis at amritvela, it does not mean they reject them. Daas's local Nanaksar gurudwara does not have Nitnaym in their schedule too. They do Sri Sukhmani Sahib jee daa paath. There might be a reason behind it.
Bhul chuk maaf

The following was explain by tenth master himself. Satguru jee proved to the sangat that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj is greater than Sri Raam Chandar jee and Sri Krishan jee.
Note: Daas has condensed the information. The website can be accessed for more information, if anyone is interested. It is a long read but it has great information.  
Firstly, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Rai Bedi jee Maharaaj is a Pooran Tam Avtaar, while Sri Raam Chandar jee and Sri Krishan jee are Pooran Avtaars. Pooran Tam Avtaar is greater then Pooran Avtaar. Please see below:
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6.) Pooran Tam Avtar- This is the highest Avtar. This was Guru Nanak Dev Ji. All avtars are made of satogun but according to Gurmat the early avtars were created out of maya, and hence caught up in it. Guru Nanak Dev Ji however was a 100% mirror reflection of God, and hence he was not hampered by the obstacles which hampered the earlier avtars.
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Next, Maharaaj uses five criteria and proves that Satguru jee is the greatest.
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1.) Shakti- Shakti is power. Ram Chandar displayed his power from an early age. When his mother went to worship an idol of her goddess. He moved the idol and took it’s place. Krishna too showed his powers to his mother, Devki. Knowing he used to have a tendency to eat dirt she forced him to open his mouth, and through it she saw the entire cosmos.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji however did not give into the temptations of demonstrating his shakti. He even instructed his Sikhs to not give into the temptations of showing of these powers. When he was born, at the ambrosial hour (Amritvela) all the demi-gods came to worship him. They seated him on a throne and bowed down to him. They rubbed sandalwood into his skin and adorned him in various ways, all to show their devotion. They even did an ardass in front of him. That along with being the protector of humanity he should also remember the demi-gods.
Mata Tripta Ji, Guru sahib’s mother awoke while the demi-gods were midway through their prayers. The demi-gods on seeing her vanished. At first Mata Ji thought she had been dreaming. But then she saw her child adorned like a prince. She came close to him. It was then, to prevent her from finding out about his powes and to conceal them Guru Nanak Dev Ji started crying, and seeing her child in distress she easily let the curtain of forgetfulness be drawn over her mind. Guru Sahib eschewed demonstration of powers and placed emphasis on bhagti. It is only the result of Bhagti one gets powers but these should not be accepted as being a sign, that Bhagti is complete. There is even more bhagti left to do afterwards.
2.) Viaktee- Viaktee is the form of being. The physical form. A glaring difference between Guru Nanak Dev Ji (Pooran Tam Avtar) and Ram Chandar/Krishna (Pooran Avtar) is their facial features. Guru Nanak Dev Ji grew a very beautiful and long beard whereas the Pooran avtars had none. Gurmat says that one of the biggest reasons for an individual’s desire to cut kesh is physical pleasures. The Pooran Avtars did not have any facial hair.
When Ram Chandar left Ayodhya to marry Sita in Janakpuri, all the royal maidens were entranced by his beauty. On seeing this he told them that he will satisfy their desires in the Dwaper Yug. In the Dwaper Yug Krishna’s viaktee was one of lust. The maidens became the gopis and hence Ram Chandar satisfied their lust.
Above is a mural depicting how Krishna stole the gopi’s clothing and hid with them, in order to watch the nude maidens.
Ram Chandar and Krishna both kept youthful forms and as a result were not able to eradicate the cardinal sin of lust. Guru maharaj however let his body age as per Waheguru’s hukam and did not seek any physical pleasures.
3.) Pragya- Pragya is the name of a person’s knowledge of God. Ram Chandar had two masters in his life. Rishi Vashist. He spent 68 days with him in order to gain an understanding of creation. This is found in Vashist purana.
(We will be putting up excerpts from this purana very soon).
Ram Chandar then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar in order to learn Shastarvidya, the science of weapons.
Ram Chandar and brother Lakshman do seva of Vishwamitar.
Krishna’s spiritual master was Rishi Darbasha, who taught him the knowledge of God in 8 days, whereas his martial master was Rishi Sandeepan who taught him Shastarvidya in 64 days.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji however was born learned from the start. He did not need any Guru or teacher at all. His Guru was the shabad and he was above the teachings of the vedant, upanishads and qoran etc. When his parents sent him to Pandit Gopal Panday in order to learn maharaj taught Panday the essence of Waheguru and creation. On the third day Pandit Ji told maharaj’s parent that he (Guru Nanak) was the creator of all knowledge and there was nothing he could teach him.
Baba Kalu then took maharaj to Mulla Noor Deen, however the Guru gave an exalting discourse to the Mulla which changed his life. The other avtars adopted masters, but maharaj adopted no one as a master instead masters adopted him as a master.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji at school with Mulla Noor Deen, his father and other students.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji never had to use any weapons, his shastar was the shabad. However he still taught Shastarvidya to Baba Buda Ji, the shastarvidya given to him in sachkhand which was returned to him in his sixth form. No avtar in terms of Shakti, Pragya and Viakat can even come an inch close to Guru Sahib.
4.) Kartab- Kartab is the showing of one’s skills. In Treta-yug the age of Ram Chandar was 10,000 years! During this time Ram Chandar only showed his kartab in the 14 years he spent in exile. After 14 years of exile he went back to Ayodhya and made a promise, that under him no parent will lose their child. It was then that a Brahman came to him and asked him to resurrect his son or otherwise accept the title of a liar. Ram Chandar asked the Brahman how his son died, the Brahman replied that a shudra (dalit) was reading the scriptures and praising God thats why. Ram Chandar went to the residence of the Dalit, Shambuk and resurrected the Brahman’s son by cutting of Shambuk’s head and killing him. This account is found in both the Dasam Granth and the Balmiki Ramayan.
By accident Ram Chandar fought against his sons Love and Kush. His sons injured or killed his entire army including Ram Chandar. Only due to the goodness of Sita he was brought back to life. Still Ram Chandar passed the reign of the kingdom over to his two sons. This was due to his attachment with his family.
Krishna after killing Kans he placed his maternal grandfather named Ugarsain on the throne to rule the kingdom. This showed his attachment to his family.
However Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji for the first 28 years stayed in the city of Sultanpur and worked in the granary. After doing this they went into the Beas River and went to heaven there. Here they adopted God as their only spiritual master. They were given the root incantation here and following which saved all of humanity with the knowledge of the Lord. They travelled far and wide doing this. They did not speak of any other demi god or prophet other then God.
Guru maharaj and Salis Rai Jeweller, a devotee maharaj met on his journeys in India.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not show any attachment to their sons but showed may feats of skill. Instead of installing one of their sons in their position they appointed one of their disciples.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji met many evil kings such as Devloot, Lajvarad and Babur. Rather then killing them they gave them knowledge in order to make them understand the message of God and to help humanity.
The demon Kauda, the thieves Bhumai and Sajjan were made to repent what they were doing and became saints. They made all the evil people good with the teachings they imparted. They saw no difference between social class, gender, age, etc and imparted the same message to all the people of the world.
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in order to avoid many troubles showed much skill.
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not show any less skill then any other incarnation. They actually showed greater skill then all others.
5.) Aayoo, or acts performed for the good of others.
Ram Chandar lived for 10,000 years. Due to listening to the Brahmans they killed a person of a low caste. They also handed the reign of the land to his two sons.
Krishna lived for 1,000 years. He believed Jadva to be an egotistical person due to this he got Rishi Darbasha to curse him so that he would die.
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was a king and a saint at the same time. In order to bring any other being back to life they never killed another. By bringing that person back to life they would give them the name of God so that they could save and bring back to life many other people.
This is the same with the 3rd, 5th, 9th and 10th Sikh Gurus. The third Guru, Sri Guru Amar Das Ji whilst the spiritual master of the Sikhs for 22 years no one died in the village of Gobindwal. No matter if old or young no one died during the 22 years that Sri Guru Amar Das Ji was in the city of Gobindwal. No one was ill as well. This showed that the Guru’s of the Sikhs were greater then that of the incarnations.
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji lived for 70 years and during that time travelled more then Ram Chandar and Krishna did. Ram Chandar and Krishna never travelled further then Indian and Sri Lanka. Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to Kashmir, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Tibet, Sikam, Burma, Africa, Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Russia. They travelled to these countries and more all by foot. In the ballads written by Bhai Gurdas Ji it states the Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji actually travelled the whole world and met all the people of all nations. Guru Nanak Dev Ji saved that many souls that they cannot all be accounted for.
In such a small life Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji helped an infinite number of people. They got the root incantation from heaven and spread it through the seven lands of India and all of the continents throughout the world. They taught all the people to meditate on the name of the one true Lord. They started the faith of Sikhism. They created the true congregation. They made other people meditate on the Lord.
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[1] - https://sikhunity.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/pooran-tam-avtar/
The above clearly proves that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Rai Dev Bedi jee Maharaaj is the greatest.
Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, what do you mean by Sehajdhari here? Do you mean a person, who stays away from 4 cardinal sins and has not taken amrit yet?
Keeping kesh is very important, to improve the effectiveness of mantars.
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If you do acquire ridhiyan sidhiyan, please use them to help others, without being influenced by any vikars.
Not every person, has the capacity to control ridhiyan sidhiyan.
Please do watch the video below. It is based on true events. It is about a man, who is granted a Sidhi (Karan Pisachnee) by a Sadhu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y6b1Lzo-ok
Bhul chul maaf

I believe dharnas are used so danger can sing along easy.... I don't have any problems with dharns when they are just straight dharns and still the shabad. Like dharns read by Sant Wayam singh Ji etc.
My doubt was also gone away when sant wary am singh Ji had darshan of War guru on stage during a divan.... 
 

​Bro, Dharna wala kirtan is one of the ways to praise Satguru jee. There are many ways, through which one can praise Satguru jee - Katha, Kirtan, Raag kirtan, Dharna wala kirtan, Kavita (poem), Gazal, Nazm, Sher, Varan, Dhadhi varan, Qawali, etc.
Bhul chuk maaf

These videos are must, check it out by sant hari singh ji randhwale:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Only thing i wished gyani ji talked about dyan, dhyata, dhaie aspect or stage and gyan, gayta, gaie aspect/stage in detailed. Also in the videos its been presented these are stages only that one has to go through each of them. Whilst from stage perspective these are true but from different aspect of meditation this is lot more deeper. From aspect of meditation perspective, one does not need go through stages as from absolute point of view at each and every moment- turiya (non dual pure awareness/knowledge) is inherently present within all of us. From gyan perspective, they don't occur in a linear fashion one after the other. They are always there exactly at the same time
 
ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ गउड़ी महला ५ ॥ Ga▫oṛī mėhlā 5. Gauree, Fifth Mehl:ਅਗਮ ਰੂਪ ਕਾ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਥਾਨਾ ॥ अगम रूप का मन महि थाना ॥ Agam rūp kā man mėh thānā.The Lord of Unfathomable Form has His Place in the mind. ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਵਿਰਲੈ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੧॥ गुर प्रसादि किनै विरलै जाना ॥१॥ Gur parsāḏ kinai virlai jānā. ||1|| Ang-603ਮਨ ਰੇ ਤ੍ਰੈ ਗੁਣ ਛੋਡਿ ਚਉਥੈ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ मन रे त्रै गुण छोडि चउथै चितु लाइ ॥Man re ṯarai guṇ cẖẖod cẖa▫uthai cẖiṯ lā▫e. O mind, renounce the three qualities, and focus your consciousness on the fourth state. ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਤੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਭਾਈ ਸਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ हरि जीउ तेरै मनि वसै भाई सदा हरि के गुण गाइ ॥ रहाउ ॥Har jī▫o ṯerai man vasai bẖā▫ī saḏā har ke guṇ gā▫e. Rahā▫o.The Dear Lord abides in the mind, O Siblings of Destiny; ever sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||Pause| 
 
 

Vaikhri Bani is uttering Naam with your mouth causing vibration in your vocal chords and in surrounding air. The attention/dhyan is focused externally.
Madhyama Bani is chanting softly localised in the throat area where your vocal chords are. It is called madhyama which means middle because attention/dhyan is half outer and half inner. The Naam vibration begins to go from outside to inside.
Pasyanti Bani means seeing, this occurs in the heart, it is chanting Naam in the imagination. It is a visualisation that is internal - attention/dhyan is totally inner. The Naam vibration has passed the madhyama/middle and is now vibrating on the inner plane of imagination. As you carry on practicing, the Naam vibration begins to grow and cleans the imagination which has a lot of Sh*t in it. 
Para Bani is beyond everything it is Oankaar.

Normal conditioned mind with some openness/receptivity will naturally be drawn to cosmic mind JOT (saint) if they are face to face or close by as neddle would automatically drawn to magnet. But these subtle notions/ drawing force are not usually noticed by seeker as seeker as conditioned self kicks in and hide feeling/sense-anubhav of it, and one cannot make much sense about that pull.
But here are some of many signs being in sangat of true saint (self realized cosmic mind-JOT saroop)-
- Nervousness
-Excitement
- Achal morat moment- thoughts automatically fall off - serene inner peace- achal mind (thoughtless-afor mind with pure awareness)
- Automatic jaap (jap of vahiguru)
- Divine insights
- Emotional de attachment (bairaag)
- Sheer emotions coming out 
- Moment of onenessss
- Satori moment for quick few sec- everything falls off , indentify fall off- one is merged in totality- quick satori moment (only few rare lucks one have quick glimpse of it).
 

​As far as I understand, if he is a True Saint, He will just tell you to find Wahiguru within you, as per Bani.
He will never tell you do this or that, or go here or there .....
But then, having said all this, who can know about such a Saint?
Who will believe in Him? Many may say he is a pakhandee... or a fraud, or he is the leader of a sect ?
Why do I say all this? Because the Bani clearly says: Brahamgyani ka "daras"(darshan), wadbhagee paae. The bani mentions the word wadbhagee, means, to those whom the Lord Wahiguru wants get His darshan, only they shall get automatically attracted to that Saint.
This is not  a matter of discussion or deep reasoning, or convince to someone ... It is a matter of Grace, of  Daya Meher
But anyhow, even if one does not believe in what that Saint says, nobody goes empty handed from thier Sangat. The seed of Grace goes deep within us by being in their company, and within due time, whenever our karmas are lightened enough, this strong Sanskar, will unfold itself and definetely we shall come nearer to Wahiguru, this is Wahiguru´s word.
We are all blind, we have no eyes to recognize such a True saint.
Have we not heard, when the chela(disciple) is ready, the Guru appears. So it is the Saint who finds and attracts us, not that by our efforts or reasoning, can we ever come near them.
You see, a True saint may be our Father or brother, we may live under the same roof with Him, but if it is not written on our forehead, from Dur Dargah, we shall never accept Him, and like most we shall abuse him, either verbally or by actions.
And some near examples we have them in our own sikhee.
Like Prithi Chand with Dhan Dhan Guru Ram Das and with Sree Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj; or the sons of First Patshahee.
There are many many more examples.... I know all this may create confussion to some, though I have only stated, what we have seen being done through the history ....and as donkeys we keep repeating these mistakes.
But then, who can be blamed for all this abnormal situation?
Does not the Bani say: to some I make them near me, to others I make them keep wandering.  You see, if this was so easy, the creation would come to an end as everbody would be attracted to a True Saint and would practice real sikhee... so if He wants the creation to go on, the creation has to be imperfect ....
There should be no reason to dismay for all this, rather we should with more zeal do His Simran, that we may be blessed with His unbound Grace, in order to merge in Him.
Sat Sree Akal.
 
 
 

Every ones views are very nice on this topic.. I m inspired very much but in our sikh smaaj some of the kathavachaks such as bhai panthpreet singh ,sarabjit singh dhunda are doing very wrong parchaar . To ligten jot and these other marayadas they say that these are all pakhand.. Imfact he says that the asthaan of baba nand singh ji nanaksar sahib is pakhand da ghar and nand singh ji was pakhandi baba .the painting of guru nanak sahib commisioned by him is not real. These all babas in deras are not saints they are fraud.. There are many other kathavachaks like him.. So it is request to all my brothers to be aware from such kathavachaks . They are not doing good parchar. They are just decreasing the sharda level in gursikhs.somewhat i aggre that all babas are not saints but sampardas such as nanaksar sahib and rarasahib are great with greats saints.     Bhul chuk galti maaf krnni.

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