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  1. OSingh, brilliant feeling isn't kor shes fit, haha , when it comes to it look but don't touch but then again if you find a women that is a potential boti go for it get family involved etc. But watch Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, and watch the part that when the women thinks of the man lustfully, and then kept the thought of him till later, ie: look see experiance, and then mentally let go, difficult because just like you i love timiya too all shapes and sizes. You can't loose lust or beat it its a controlled thing ! If you have no lust how you going to have kids or keep the spark!
  2. Sikh turbans on photos http://www.hindu.com/2005/12/06/stories/2005120617011600.htm PARIS: Sikhs can wear their turbans while posing for drivers' licence photos, France's highest administrative body ruled on Monday, overturning an order not to deliver a licence to a Sikh who refused to take off his turban for the photo. The ruling does not apply to identity or residence cards. The Council of State, hearing a case brought by Shingara Mann Singh, said officials of his region, the Val d'Oise, could not, as they did, cite a 1999 order by the Interior Ministry to refuse the licence. AP
  3. So wheres the nihangs come into this? Sorry been a long day
  4. Whos is Monica Bedi whats so important about her ?
  5. Why did he hide in the golden temple ? This is what someone mentioned to me recently, if he was a real soorma, why didn't he take the bullet for his nation and say leave my people alone? Sorry not my questions, just someone posed them to me and I had no answers.
  6. from yahoo groups Dear Dr Amarjit Singh I have lifted a few articles pertaining to Nirmala Sikhs from the varios websites on the internet. If you wish to type in Nirmala sikhs in goole or yahoo search and you can see all the articles on the net pertaining to Nirmala Sikhs. Sat seri akal Davinder Singh KL NirmalaEncyclopædia Britannica Article Page an ascetic order of the Sikhs, a religious group of India. Nirmalas (“those without blemishâ€) at first wore only white garments but later adopted the ochre robes worn by Hindu ascetics and shared some other practices, such as birth and death rites, with Hindus. Like the Udasi order of Sikh ascetics the Nirmalas carried on missionary activities for the Sikhs and served as mahants (priests) of their temples. The Sikhs are divided into many sub-sects viz. Udasis, Nirmalas and the Akalis. The Udasis are an ascetic order of the Nanakshahi Sikhs. The Nirmalas are celibates. They are also an ascetic order of the Nanakshahis. The Akalis are the most fanatical of all the Sikh sects. They wear a distinctive dress of blue and a black turban http://www.dlshq.org/religions/sikhism.htm Nirmalas Doctrines Nirmala teachings incorporated Sikh teachings and doctrines within a largely Hindu/Vedantic framework. Like the Udasis (see entry) they were celibates, and did not believe in holding private funds. The Nirmalas, with the Udasis, form part of the Sanatan Sikh world-view and share many of its beliefs; along with belief in yogic/meditative and scriptural recitation and study, they reflected, in addition to the Adi Granth, on the Vedas, Shastras, Puranas and Epic literature. It is not surprising therefore that their Sanatan position does pitch them against the Tat Khalsa on certain beliefs. (See entries of Sanatan and Tat Khalsa Singh Sabhas). History Nirmalas (spotless, pure ones) by tradition are believed to have been sent by Guru Gobind Singh to Banaras to learn Sanskrit and basic Hindu religious philosophy. However this is highly improbable since there is scarcely any mention of them in the Sikh literature before the 19th century. However, as wandering ascetic preachers, they promulgated Sikh teachings in and beyond the Panjab. They were thus the first itinerant movement to teach the ideas of the Gurus. The most famous Nirmala was Pandit Tara Singh Narotam (1822-91), who devoted his entire life to the explication of Sikh theology/philosophy. He wrote over ten books and reference materials. The deeply influential Giani Gain Singh (1822-1921) was taught by him. Sant Attar Singh (1867-1927) one of the most influential Sikh Sants (saint), also had his formal training at a Nirmala establishment. Today they form a well respected and highly disciplined organisation with many establishments. As a legitimate part of Sikh History they are accepted as a part of the Sikh Panth (but are obviously not Khalsa Singhs), more so than the Udasis. Symbols They wore saffron robes (symbolising saintliness and renunciation), and all were Keshdharis (bearded). Adherents The number of establishments expanded rapidly from the late 18th century to the mid 19th century. In the 1891 census 2,828 Hindus and 1,952 Sikhs returned themselves as 'Nirmalas'.(Census of India, 1891, Vol.XX, The Punjab and its Feudatories, by E.D. Maclagan, Part II and III, Calcutta, 1892, pp.826-9 and pp.572-3.) However, there are no official, contemporary numbers, (see also the note at the end of the Explanatory Introduction). Headquarters/ Main Centre The Nirmalas have been particularly focused in the Malwa region in the 19th century. This was due to state patronage of the Sikh Rulers of Patiala, Jind and Nabha. However their principle centre, other than Patiala, is at Hardwar, though they do have sizeable centres at Amritsar, Prayag, Ujjain, Triambak and Kurukshetra. http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/nirmal.html This article is given with courtesy of H. McLeod The Nirmalasa, like the Udasis, commanded considerable influence under the Sikh rulers of the Punjab, but unlike them they have been able to preserve at least a measure of that earlier respect. By tradition the Nirmala order was founded by Guru Gobind Singh, who dispatched five Sikhs to learn Sanskrit. This is highly improbable, and the Nirmala order is scarcely mentioned in Sikh literature until the late eighteenth century. At that time the references rapidly multiply, largely in land grants and religious endowments made by Sikh rulers. During the first four decades of the nineteenth century, the Nirmalas continued to prosper under Maharaja Ranjit Singh. As with the Udasis their centres were known as 'akharas', each headed by a mahant. Each akhara would accommodate varying numbers of celibate Nirmalas initiated by the mahant. Within it their time would be occupied in meditation, yoga and scriptural study. The books they were required to study would obviously include the Adi Granth, but they also spent much time on such Hindu works as the Vedas, the Shastras, Puranas and the Epics. Although the Nirmalas are accepted as a part of the Panth, ascetic discipline and the strongly Hindu nature of their study deviate sharply from the teachings of the Tat Khalsa. Members of the order wear saffron robes and observe celibacy, and the teachings they receive and impart are strongly Vedantic. As itinerant preachers, they did much to commend Sikh teachings beyond the Punjab (particularly in such centres of Hindu pilgrimage as Hardwar and Allahabad), and although some of their doctrines met with strong disapproval from Khalsa, they were regarded cordially by Sanatan Sikhs. In the controversies that enlivened Singh Sabha days, their fortunes declined with those of the Sanatan Sikhs, but never to the point of being totally eclipsed. They still exercise some influence within the Panth particularly in the Patiala area. Prominent writers like Bhai Santokh Singh, Tara Singh Narottam and Giani Gian Singh Ji were from this sect (Kanwal) http://www.sikh-heritage.co.uk/movements/N...ala%20Sikhs.htm The Sanatan Sikhs - The Nirmalas Page 1 of 2 The literal translation of 'Nirmala' is 'the pure one without blemish'. Nirmalas are an old order of Sikh intellectuals. Their origins lie with the five Sikhs, Ganda Singh, Karm Singh, Sena Singh, Vir Singh and Ram Singh whom Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh sent from Paunta Sahib to Benares to learn Sanskrit in 1688. The Nirmala Order A contemporary painting of Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh ji given commands to Ganda Singh, Karm Singh, Sena Singh, Vir Singh and Ram Singh to visit the holy city of Benaras and learn Sanskrit It is said that once Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked his court Pundit Ragunath to teach his Sikhs Sanskrit, but, the Brahmin refused saying he could not teach the Sikhs Sanskrit. His reason was that Sanskrit was the sacred Sanatan Hindu language of the Hindu demigods, and because there were amongst the Sikhs individuals belonging to low castes, he could not teach them. This reaction prompted the Guru to send the above-mentioned Sikhs in guise of Sadhus to Banares. There, they learned all manner of ancient Indian Sanskrit knowledge. When they came back they founded the Nirmala order of Sikhs with the blessings of the Guru. Nirmalas were the masters of Sanskrit and were the intellectuals and scholars of Sikhism. Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh gave them a duty to educate the illiterate Indian populace and promote the philosophy of oneness of Nirankar God and all mankind amongst the Hindu scholars (regardless of caste or creed). Nirmala Harbhajan Hari A photograph of a great learned man, Harbhajan Hari who belongs to the Sanatan Sikh Nirmala (intellectual) order The beauty of the Nirmalas is in fact that they are not adverse to study any kind of spiritual knowledge. Pooriwala Sant, a present day Nirmala holy man in Amritsar, commented: ‘Sikh scripture says, “Vedas and Ktebs [semitic religious texts Koran, Bible etc.] do not call false. False is he who does not contemplate them.†Farid [sufi Saint] has said just find out from where you can attain knowledge be it from tombs. If a Buddhist text gives you knowledge take it, if a Jain gives you knowledge take it, if a Udasi text gives you knowledge take it, if Nirmalas give you knowledge take it, if Ramayan gives you knowledge, take it. Well what else is in their but knowledge? Now if we say it is Hindu mythology. They [Lord Raam and Ravan] just fought over a woman [as some Tat Khalsa mentality Sikhs say]. Then that is not Guru’s thinking for knowledge is knowledge. Take it from wherever you can. A being should seek to gain virtues. A being should have wisdom, which he can attain from anywhere. Religious texts will give an individual great virtues. All religious texts are worth worshipping of whatever religion they are.’ ( Pooriwala Sant. transcript of a recording, 12-02-2001) Nirmalas, like other Sanatan Sikhs, distinguish between 'Matt' (Individual religion or individualistic thinking which fuels ego and puts up barriers between people) and Sanatan Dharma (Universal religion/philosophy or thinking which brings all together). Majority of people who practice a 'religion' get engrossed in their particular Matt. Only a few ever seen the true spiritual path of Sanatan Dharma, the true heart and soul of all true religions. Baba Teja Singh (a well-respected Nirmala Sikh) comments: ‘From 15th century in that time the [Adi] Guru Granth was composed. At that time, the four religious way’s that were existent. There was Gur Matt [sikh Guru’s thinking] in the Punjab, Bhagti Marg [Way of devotion] in South of India, Sufism in the west around Multan, and Vedant which was through out India. Those who believe in Vedas are to be found through out India. These four religious ways deal with one same subject. Bhagti Marg, Sufism, Gurmat and Vedant basically stand on one platform. Alright, I possess knowledge of Vedant. People will say that he speaks Gurbani [Guru’s word which is Dharma] in the manner of Vedant. If Someone is more versed in knowledge of Sufism, he will speak [Guru’s word] in a Sufi manner. If some one has interest in Bhagti Marg studies it he will talk in that manner [Guru’s word]. Some will speak of it [Dharma] in manner of Sikhism. According to each other’s religious learning they speak. But, in terms of foundation, when we look at the four religious ways, their principles are basically one. To have faith in God and to see God in all, this is their subject.’ (Baba Teja Singh, transcript of a recording, 9-03-2001) Nirmala Baba Teja Singh A photograph of Baba Teja Singh in his dispensary where he gives out free medication and advice to all those who require it Hence Nirmala Scholars easily integrated with the scholars of other religions and philosophies. Nirmalas see themselves as true Sanatan 'Sam Vadi' (egalitarians) as opposed to 'Katar Vadi' (religious fanatics). Bhai Daya Singh ji (1661 - 1708 A.D.) Bhai Daya Singh was one of the Panj Piare or the Five Beloved celebrated in the Sikh tradition. He was son of Bhai Suddha, a Sobti Khatri of Lahore, and Mai Diali. His original name was Daya Ram. Bhai Suddha was a devout Sikh of Guru Tegh Bahadur and visited Anandpur more than once to seek his blessing. In 1677, he travelled to Anandpur along with his family including his young son, Daya Ram, to make obeisance to Guru Gobind Singh, this time to settle there permanently. Daya Ram, already well versed in Punjabi and Persian, engaged himself in the study of classics and gurbani. He also received training in the use of weapons. In the historic divan in the Kesgarh Fort at Anandpur on 30 March 1699, he was the first to rise at the Guru's call and offer his head, followed by four others in succession. These five were the first to be admitted to the fold of the Khalsa and they in turn administered the rites of initiation to Guru Gobind Singh who called them collectively Panj Piare. Daya Ram after initiation became Daya Singh. Although the five enjoyed equal status as the Guru's close confidants and constant attendants, Bhaa Daya Singh was always regarded as the first among equals. He took part in the battles of Anandpur, and was one of the three Sikhs who followed Guru Gobind Singh out of Chamkaur on the night of 74 December 1705, eluding the besieging hordes. He was Guru Gobind Singh's emissary sent from the village of Dina in the Punjab to deliver his letter which became famous as Zafarnamah, the Letter of Victory, to Emperor Aurangzab, then camping at Ahmadnagar. Bhai Daya Singh, accompanied by Bhai Dharam Singh, another of the Panj Piare, reached Ahmad nagar via Aurangabad, but found that it was not possible to have access to the Emperor and deliver to him the letter personally as Guru Gobind Singh had directed. Daya Singh sent Dharam Singh back to seek the Guru's advice but before the latter could rejoin him with fresh instructions, he had managed to have the letter delivered, and had himself returned to Aurangabad. A shrine called Gurdwara Bhai Daya Singh marks the place of his sojourn in Dhami Mahalla. Bhai Daya Singh and Bhaa Dharam Sidgh returned and, according to Sikh tradition, they re-joined Guru Gobind Singh at Kalayat, a town 52 km southwest of Bikaner (28 4'N, 73 - 21'E) in Rajasthan. Bhai Daya Singh remained in attendance upon the Guru and was with him at the time of his death at Nanded on 7 October 1708. He died at Nander soon after and a joint memorial there for him and for Bhai Dharam Singh known as Aaigitha (lit. burning pyre) Bhai Daya Singh and bhai Dharam Singh marks the site of their cremation. Bhai Daya Singh was a learned man. One of the Rahitnamas, manuals on Sikh conduct, is ascribed to him. The Nirmalas, a sect of Sikh schoolmen, claim him as one of their forebears. Their Darauli branch traces its origin to Bhai Daya Singh through Baba Dip Singh. In the institution of Panj Piares the names of the five Beloved one's have a very special significance. Bhai Daya Singh Stands for Compassion, Bhai Dharam Singh signifies the rule of Dharma or justice, Bhai Himmat Singh, denotes courage, Bhai Mohkam Singh refers to discipline and serinity, and Bhai Sahib Singh represents Sardari or Leadership/Sovereignty. Thus Guru Gobind Singh looking for an element of all five (Compassion, Justice, Courage, Discipline and Leadership) among his Khalsa. Amarjit Singh <amarjit101@ntlworld.com> wrote: Dear Members of the discussion groups I would greatly appreciate receiving information about NIRMALAS SIKHS who were/are they and what roles had they played in Sikhism and Sikh history? Many thanks in advance in enlightening me about them. Dr Amarjit Singh, UK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Please promote the learning of Gurbani, Gurmat and Sikh History amongst your near and dear ones by asking them to join the Gurmat Learning Zone (GLZ). To join GLZ or recommend someone's name, send an email to learning-zone-owner@yahoogroups.com Feedback and suggestions may be sent to our Editorial Advisory Board at learning-zone-eab@yahoogroups.com GLZ is part of the Akaal Purkh Ki Fauj international movement. SPONSORED LINKS Sikh Advisory board --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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  7. It's probably all fabricated can't trust no one god knows, if baba was getting his seva done.
  8. doesn't matter they all in gursikhi jeevan same as baba except they may not have the ability to do parchar etc oh well he's been caught now, time to get the next one
  9. its not as clear cut as you think, different people have different ways of understanding waheguru. Even if they are amritari!
  10. Baba BEEP* Singh got caught with his kachera down, I think if the panthic.org wanted too we could expose most of the UK Singhs and Singhniya and their antics, but hey lets leave that gupt.
  11. Who got charged, does anyone know ? Charges follow temple disturbance A 47-year-old man from Coventry has been charged in connection with a disturbance during a Diwali celebration at a Sikh temple in Leamington Spa. Six people went to hospital with cuts and bruises following the incident at the temple on the Queensway Trading Estate on 12 November. The man, from Stoke Heath, will appear before magistrates on Wednesday. Police have held him since Sunday. He has been charged with wounding with intent and violent disorder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/coventr...ire/4442166.stm
  12. Amrit, like the websites could you provide pictures/more quotes from texts etc? because a few pages I have just read are a bit vague
  13. The truth, was your there did you see it with your own eyes? I and the sangat want to know! Any one got pictures/video ? The CCTV ? Please out of the Group, people that were there please share the events
  14. http://www.panthic.org/news/124/ARTICLE/1975/2005-11-13.html SHAME ON GURDWARA Sunday 13th November, 2005 Fauja Singh – Panthic Weekly Staff MP James Plaskitt (File Photo) Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, UK (KP) - Panthic Weekly has received reports from sources yesterday that Gurdwara Sahib Leamington & Warwick Management Committee violated the sanctity and purpose of the Gurdwara Sahib by allowing a sharaab (alcohol) and meat party for 100 people or so within the Gurdwara premises. The reports suggest that at the party, which took place inside the Gurdwara building compound, influential politicians were also present. The politicans included the Labour MP James Plaskitt for Warwick & Leamington who while enjoying the hospitality of the Gurdwara Committee (by drinking alcohol and eating meat), said, “Now, I know, which is the best room in the Gurdwara!†Members of the Sangat, who happened to be visiting the Gurdwara at the time, walked in--to the smell of meat being cooked. “All I could smell is alcohol and meat when I stepped into the Gurdwara†said one member of sangat. As the sangat walked past the room to investigate the smell, they were shocked and horrified to hear the words of MP James Plaskitt. As the sangat entered the room they saw a party hall set up for an estimated 100 people. On each table the sangat found dishes of lamb meat accompanied by bottles of whiskey, Bacardi, beer, and other intoxicants. Is the Guru’s Darbaar not the best room in the Gurdwara? Or is a room designated for socialising within the Gurdwara building the best room because they make meat (using Gurdwara utensils) and enjoy drinking barcardi, whiskey and beer? In the room, sources describe a special bar which has been made and a large television on which people were watching football. The event was claimed to be a Diwali party, even though it went against the basic principles of the Sikh faith and celebrating a Gurpurb of Bandi Chor was reduced to alcohol and meat being served by the Gurdwara commitee president. Members of the sangat described the room as having a pub like atmosphere. Members of the committee who where in Guru's roop (form) with dastar (turban) and beard where caught eating meat and consuming alcohol on the Gurdwara premises in that room. Meat and alcohol was made, served and consumed using utensils and cutlery from Guru Ka Langar (community kitchen). Drinking alcohol is a gross violation of the Sikh tenets, however drinking within the Gurdwara premises is an even worse insult and desecration. Sangat members who came across this grotesque insult to the Sikh faith peacefully asked the drinking party, “Why are you drinking in the Gurdwara? This is not allowed [according to our faith]!†It was claimed that a Gurdwara Committee Member stood up to the concerned Gursikhs and said, “This is not your Gurdwara, this is OUR Gurdwara.†Disgusted by the response of the drunkard man who had a white flowing beard, the Gursikhs reminded the Gurdwara Committee members and the men indulging in consuming intoxicants and meat that “This is not YOUR Gurdwara, it is the GURU’s Gurdwara.†The committee members then started throwing alcohol and meat at the Sangat who where left shocked at what was happening. Reports suggest that the drunkard men from the party felt insulted by the Gursikhs who had interrupted their drinking session and so attacked the Gursikhs. A scuffle then followed as sangat Gursikhs tried to defend themselves as committee members began to physically assault and remove dastars (turbans) of the sangat. Members of the Sangat were even more ashamed of knowing that the General Secretary and Stage Secretary of the Gurdwara, who have white beards and who are meant to lead the Sikh community and guard the Sikh Rehat Maryada, promoting Gurmat in the Gurdwara premises, were seen drinking alcohol and enjoying the evening with the politicians, Gurdwara Committee members and other local members of Leamington Spa. Sangat's (community) donations to the Gurdwara for its upkeep, propagating the Sikh religion and for Panthic causes were being used to entertain influential politicians and have parties which desecrated the Sikh place of worship, values and Sikh religion. Panthic Weekly has received reports that some members of the committee are threatening to carry on with such practises, “we will be prepared next time,†is a quote Panthic Weekly has received from sources. What next? In the eighteenth century, Massa Rangar drank alcohol, ate meat and had prostitute-dancing girls in the premises of Harmandar Sahib. Members of the Sangat will be writing to Sri Akal Takht Sahib in regards to the growing laxity of discipline and respect for Gurmat and the property of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji amongst some Gurdwaras in the UK, in particular, Leamington & Warwick Gurdwara Sahib. Panthic Weekly will keep you updated with any news regarding this serious matter. Fauja Singh can be reached at fauja.singh@panthic.org
  15. Why did this happen, is this to do with the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Campaign or another issue?
  16. What did they wear Pre-British Raj? Obviously today most Sikh men wear trousers and suits with tied up beard's etc Has anyone any pictures of types of dress before the raj times for Sikhs? If this makes sense
  17. Akaaaaaal ...... I know singhs that still visit them in jail, they shot that Dodgy Darshan dassi in southall, they became his sevaks for a while then gun shot in public. Anyone got any videos/pictures of this ? Sad shame though the singhs that went to see them like jhamka says, "they have not changed one bit." its true because they haven't been back in public and seen how things have changed. All in all they done what they done... Akaaaal
  18. This is a funny post, I asked this to my mums poowa back a few years ago "bibi ji, are men and women equal in sikhi" Go back to punjab and talk to traditional old skool bibiya who are amritari!(chunni no pugs) all your western sikh views will be solved my mums poowa is one tough nut, she says "Puth Timiya are timiya bandeh are bandeh" Women are women and Men are Men, she said yes we are equal, but my roles are too look after the home/ milk the majah(cows) & used to be a teacher whilst my husband goes out to work on his tractor and plough the fields with the knocker(hired help) I make our families rotis and keep out haveli clean and used to look after my kids your mumme and bring them up the best i can with guru ji dah kirpa. Women are no less and no more, Puth you will realise this in the future. That is why guru ji made panj Pyare(men ) not panj Pyariya (women), he added the sweetness of mata sundri to the bata of amrit to give the qualities of sweetness to the khalsa but she was in the background. That Guru ji made us equal but aja kal deh loki (todays people) are taking it all the wrong way, should one day guru ji need me I will be there. THIS SUMMED THE WHOLE ISSUE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR ME
  19. http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=-vwSvYW...;search=bhangra
  20. its too beautifully sung !!! waheguru get it !!!
  21. ego is a simran killer, try different places like garden, fields etc might make a difference !
  22. Amrit seems to have been a busy guy, shame others arn't instead fling out threats and cusses. Nice to write and learn about nihangs but to be one, is when the tradition becomes clear.
  23. Learn about the rich history of the Punjab. http://www.punjabonline.com/servlet/librar...?Action=History
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