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maybe because they didn't want the muslims to say that we are a part of their relgion huna. Becasuse as we know, back in the day, no muslim was allowed to marry a non-muslim. Thus, if Guru Ji married a muslim, it meant he was muslim as well. But we know he wasn't. But the muslims might use this information to say that we are another part of islam, and not a seperate religion.

HE HAD A MUSLIM LADY AS A WIFE:| *shocked*

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sag_roti you said that "However because of him thousands died"

Is this really true? Was it REALLY because of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji that thousands of Singh Soorme died?

Sant Ji was on a mission, a mission to unite the Sikhs around the world so that all would be free from Nashay and from this world and to unite with Waheguru Ji. Like every human on the planet, we all have been given a brain to think for ourselves and do do what we want. Is that not correct? Thus, all those Young Sikhs who joined Sant Ji did so out of their own free will. He never forced anyone to "join" with him. He spoke the truth and that's what led them to join him. It was out of their personal choice. They knew they were going to be shaheed, it wasn't because of Sant Ji, but it was because of their own free will. Thus, I disagree with you saying that Because of him thousands died, when in fact, it was their choice. Also, as you may know, the singhs who fought on Operation Bluestar didn't retreat or surrender, (even though a few did) they fought back. Why? Out of their own free will, they willingness to die for the Khalsa Panth and become Shaheeds. Not because of Sant Ji.

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lol, i dont think it really matters where you're from, does it?

there is a bid difference between jarnail singh and bin laden

bin laden massacres innocent ppl to get his message across

jarnail singh didn't even allow his singhs to fite bac until the army actuallty entered the complex-from eye witness account

don't be hurt or angry

god knows the truth

i agree with your post ji. 100%

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bhai jaspal singh zakhmi was freedom fighter during and after the '84 attack. I don't know a lot about him, but they say he was a coward and didn't do anything like kill any oppressor or anything. That's all I know. Bhul Chuk Mafkar

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never mind, i found out what Dalai Lama means. this is the link if you want to read the whole article, its not long i just took what i thought was the main part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama

The Dalai Lama "In Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lamas are a sequence of leaders, since 1391, from the Gelug (dge lugs) school. Between the 17th century and 1959, each Dalai Lama was the most powerful political leader in Tibet, controlling a large portion of the country from their capital at Lhasa. The current 14th Dalai Lama is also a respected Tibetan Buddhist religious leader, and figure head of the International Tibet Independence Movement; in English, his followers and many others use "His Holiness" (or HH) as a prefix in his title. The Dalai Lamas, however, never had authority over every region of Tibet nor over the other sects of Tibetan Buddhism."

really?! then who is the Dalai Lama?!?!?!?!

the Dalai Lama is supposed to be the incarnation of Buddha the Enlightened One.

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wow, sukinder i never knew that.

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Response from sikhnet:

Enjoy !

i think Sikhnet said it exactly perfect!!!

Thats it!!! Thats what I wanted to type but it never happened (coz i suck and i am lazy Sad )

thanks a million Pheena veer for taking the time and pain...i mean...pleasure!!! Very Happy

lol

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, lol. excuse me then, ill say think you to Pheena Ji for pasting that wonderful post and i say excellnt job to Osho for his excellent article...lol...

Pheena Bha Ji, that was an EXCELLENT post u just gave... wow... i dotn know what to say, and i totally agree with you... 100%

But how can you realize something without understanding it first????

*tun* *tun* *tun*...

sorry wanted to say. but i do think Sukhi has a point. We're here not to explain Sikhi (even though explaining events in Sikhi help us understand it better and give us answers to our questions) but we're here to understand it, and love it for what it is.

Reg Dalvirs comments:

would killing some-one be sin??........our immediate answer may be yes.....however if we have more insight into the situation our answer may change....i.e. would killing some-one in self defence, or defending your child be sin??.......how would you reply?

thus....right/wrong are relative terms

in terms of religion.....is it paap to go again religion? again, depends on the situation, but i dont think we should generalise our thinking by saying 'going again religion is wrong'........guru nanak dev ju refused to wear the janju (sacred hindu black thread)......would you class that as paap...or more so....guru ji as a paapi??

No i wouldn't but u gotta understand my comment in a deeper meaning (good intrepratations though bro), actually with your comment about asking someone that if u kill someone is it a sin i dont think the immediate answer would be yes. FIrslty the person would think about it, i know that i was asked that question and my immediate answer wasn't yes in self defence it istn a sin. take the example u gave about killing someone, yes it is paap to kill someone, BUT its only paap if you do it for no reason as in intentional, but in self defence how can it be sin, Guru Gobind Singh Ji killed the 2 Pathans that tried to kill him in self defence and thats not paap, becuase its self defence.

As for the Janee-o, the sacred Hindu thread, its like jewellery in a way, it makes u look better (in a holy way). But the question then arises why must someone wear a (holy) necklace just so that others think ur wise, etc. Things like this Guru Nanak Dev Ji knew, so that's why he rejected it. How can Guru Ji be a paapi if he was enlightened? He was sent here on earth with a mission, and he fulfilled it. he cant be a paapi, Satgur Nanak Pargatia Mitte Dhunde Jag Chanan Hogia. See he came with a message to stop these rituals that have no meaning thats why he cannot and will not ever be classified as a paapi, he as well as the other Guru's havent even done anything that a paapi would do.

I think Guru Ji said once that you can reach as high as you want

ive never heard that saying before. i know of 5 realms last being Sachkhand....

Infernal Monk i give you kudos. U r right, we should look @ evrryone as one race rather than differently.

W:shock:W!!!!

LOL, looks like no one cared about it until u said aksed if someone was there Neo, lol. ne ways, it sounds awesome. ne ways, i know I have replied after LOOOOONG time!! but meh. its all goooooood

IVE NEVER PLAYED ANY :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I use Mozilla Firefox and it is an awesome browser once you have installed the correct plugins for your needs. It also has many features that are far better for the ser experience i.e. tabbed broswing which weans you can view many websites from just ONE window. I know I won't be going back to IE.

u said the words for me. lol.

lol i thought people like to stay wiht sikhism because they fall in love with sikhi and Guru Ji not because it the most 'up to date' dalvir veer ji.

a wikid article

Dhan Dhan Shaheed Jesus Christ Sahib Ji

True, im sorry that i didnt add that, bbut ill say it now, I love SIKHI!! because i love its teachings, the Gurus, God... and i think its "up to date"

firstly, id like to ssay thank you to veer ji for his continued sewa here at sikhawareness.

secondly, none of these progs need like serial keys or something, they dont need to be bought right?

and lastly i was wondering if cracking programs is bad, like stealing, cuz ive cracked A LOT of programs!! like zonealarm pro, mailwasher pro, syware doctor, registry mechanic, and many many more, is it bad to crack programs????