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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    Your version of Sikhi doesn't have a single shred of historical proof. You've demanded proof from others so please provide your proof, where are the records saying your sikhi=true sikhi. Do they even exist? You call everyone Pujaris who doesn't agree with you. If Sikhi follows the way you and your husband Dhandriwala are going, we'll have cowards who wet themselves at the first sign of conflict and run, like your husband did.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    If the Guru ever said to me that the earth was flat, I would say "Satya" as in that is true. The Guru is all knowing and I will always trust his word over my own, I could be standing in daylight and if the Guru said "it is night" I would still say the same, You already demonstrated that if the Guru ever told you the world is flat you'd start bickering and screaming about science saying something different. That's the difference between you and people who have faith in bani. You have no faith, you just admitted you're willing to argue with the Guru if he ever said the world was flat. I don't know where you drag in the fact i've said the world is flat. I've never said it at all, I took a negative and said if it came from the mouth of Satguru Ji, would you believe it? That was the question I asked you, IF the Guru (Gurbani) ever said to you, directly...the world is flat. What would you say? going by your response you'd say "no its not" and then start arguing and trying to correct the Guru. Yes...you're that level of arrogance you'd try and correct someone that's described as all knowing. As a Sikh i couldn't care less about the shape of the earth, once again the point as flown over you head. I made a hypothetical situation where Gurbani and Science have said something opposite, i asked you which side you'd take. You choose science over bani. Google the word hypothetical, since its apparent you can't understand english. More contradictions, how do you know the Guru is blind? because science says so? do you even know how science works. Sciences works on the basis of the most plausible theory out there, there's no such thing as certainty, that's the first thing you learn in the scientific process. If the Guru ever said something, as a Sikh its our duty to agree to it because as Bani says the Guru is always right. If science says something opposite then for me the Guru's word will always outweigh it as Bani has said countless times the Guru's word is law and always right. They don't become anything in the "next world" what's the "next world" you keep harping on about in regards to reincarnation? do you even know how reincarnation works? clearly you don't. Also please provide a detailed mathematical proof on how God exists, please write it from scratch. You love to bring in science so let's do so. Don't copy and paste random bull, im sure with your scientific background you can manage one.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    I never said it was flat, where have I said it was flat? again find me the quote where i said that. I don't know. But im definetely not from the same one as you and your husband Dhandriwala, seems like you guys only love talking big but when the big is bullets you wet yourselves and run. Where have I said that? Science says religion is bogus. Make belief, so why are you religious.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    I didn't twist you, you answered it.. I'm not asking you as an educated person, I'm asking you as a Sikh. A true sikh would believe in Gurbani 100%, Gurbani says this. Yet you choose to side with science and are willing to even let the notion that Gurbani is wrong creep into your mind. IF Gurbani said the world is flat, you would side with science by your own admission. Yet as Gurbani says,a Sikh would trust his Guru over anything else. Mythical sakhis? I posted ones that Guru Ji himself narrates in Gurbani. You still don't beleive it. Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan (the original copies are still with us) are corrupt according to you guys, you don't Suraj Prakash Granth, Panth Prakash, Bhai Mani Singh Ji's Janamsakhis, what do you guys like? other than your own arrogant stuff you conjure from thin air. You guys will bring down any historical Gurudwara with even a remote sakhi about a miracle because you start whining and complaining about "how could it have happened". You changed from Gurbani is Poetry to Gurbani is science on a whim. What a bunch of hypocrites. Funny because you guys have turned Sikhism into science with a divine hand. You've yet to refute any of the videos which show the Vedas and the Quran also make the same claims you do, Why are they wrong but you're right. The science world laughs at people like you, everyone does. You guys don't even believe in a next world, so why are you butthurt over it. You want scientific proof for everything so find me the science on how a divine hand brought forth the universe.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    You said early on if Gurbani said something Science didn't agree with, you'd side with science. You already made it clear you run everything through science, so science will always be superior to you than Gurbani.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    So Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was an RSS agent? Jesus Christ. You really are stupid. So I'm guessing you're the "wise man" you answered for. Well thank you, because you've subsequently shown you're more loyal to science than Gurbani. You'll turn against Gurbani if it contradicts science, thank you for showing everyone on this forum you're nothing more than a humanist rather than a sikh. Gurbani mentions multiple times how the only way to live is to have 100% faith in Guru Ji (Gurbani) yet you can't even muster that if sciences finds something Gurbani says is wrong. Thank you for showing everyone here that you'll put sciences are your Guru and not Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Firstly you started this, you started talking about how miracles were "unnatural" and how they contradict nature. Then when that route failed as Gurbani said multiple times that miracles do occur, you started going on about 1 rehit maryada, where is that rehit marayda from? find me the historical document it comes from. Find me a historical source that says the sikh panth was always meant to have 1 maryada. The same people who promote your rehit also said Homosexuality is unnatural, so tell me stupid one. Why is something unnatural occurring all over nature? do you go up to your gay friends and says "hey guys, you're unnatural" You love to toot science but the people who made the rehit had about as much scientific gyan as Dhandriwala has courage when confronted with bullets, which is next to nothing. I think you don't understand it, given the drivel you posted next. bullshit, crack open a basic biology book. Evolution is totally random. Technically evolution starts from single cell organisms as that's when they're technically alive, before that they're just atoms and compounds, which aren't alive. So they weren't life, they don't fall into the scientific definition of life at all. They weren't single cell organism, by this logic evolution of man started when the big bang originally happened. Life begins from single cell organisms, before that, they're not considered life. According to science therefore, Life begins then. Not before, as before its nothing more than chemical reactions happening. You mean like how every single christian and muslim makes the same claims about science. You guys and them are just hilarious, one minute gurbani is poetry, the next minute its about evolution. Pick one and stick to it. Let's see how muslims say the same thing. Notice how everyone says the same things, yet no one can prove it? Why should your word be better than theirs. Look how Lord Krishna describes the theory of relativity to Lord Brahma! clearly he was a true scientist through and through.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    I'll reply to you once you answer the same question iv asked multiple times now. Why do you hide from it? I asked you if Gurbani said the world was flat, but Science said it was round, who would you side with? Answer it and I'll answer yours, since I asked first you should respond first. Common sense really. No he's not. Rocks are just minerals, they don't "evolve" the same way as life, heck they technically don't evolve at all. Now I know what you'll say "hur dur muh microbial in the rock hur dur" but I'll give you a little news flash, read the verse. There's no mention of them, Gurbani has defined them and named them actually, but in this verse it's not mentioned. So tell me dear wife of Dhandriwala, do rocks have souls? are minerals alive now? Funny cuz that's exactly what everyone said when Dhandriwala wet himself and ran away to hide like a dog. Funny how you scream no one else has it but you and your missionary friends seem to run from any actual confrontation. Tell me how many Shaheed missionaries there are. Most of you morons slap on Professor or Doctor without actually knowing true academia when it slaps you in the face.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    Funny because I don't feel frustrated. Trust me, there are far harder people to refute. Missionaries refute themselves like you. Why do you refuse to answer my question. I asked you if Sciences says the world is round but Gurbani said the world is flat, who would you side with? Who said I was a nirmala? I certainly didn't. Funny how you argue that they MIGHT be corrupted, you have no proof they are. You argued that miracles were against hukam, failed at that as there are verses in bani and the Varan from Bhai Gurdas Ji that refute your statement. You want to argue corruption, well the originals are there and they contain them. So no corruption there. and missionaries stand on stage and treat Guru Nanak Dev Ji as some ordinary person. Taksal was also the one that defended Harmandir Sahib, where were you and your missionary buddies? The same organisation you're dissing gave their heads for the panth. Your husband Dhandriwala wet himself at the sound of a bullets. The Original Taksalis fought in a rain of them. You mean by picking and choosing what they want to believe? The same people you're in bed with wanted to take out Bhagat bani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji because it offended them. The only service missionaries are doing is constantly finding new things to get offended over. It's been a while but navratri is here, so @chatanga1 and I were gonna do one for Adi Shakti, brother @DeNiro is also welcome. Jai Maa Chandika. Jai Maa Kalika. how do you not believe in miracles? That alone is a miracle. Akaal Purkh worked a miracle for you by actually giving you friends. This might come as a shock to you, since you spend most of your time kissing Dhandriwala's urine covered feet, but Taksal don't conduct Havan. You're thinking of a whole different school. Either your friend is more dim than you, or you're lying. But with you, I'd bet it was a bit of both. You heard it from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Kabir Ji's chains broke and he floated, Akaal Purkh manifested for Bhagat Namdev Ji when he tried to give milk to a moorti, Akaal Purkh brought a dead cow back, I could go on as there's name after name of Karamats being done for Waheguru's bhagats, mentioned in Gurbani itself. Funny cuz one of the first things the Vedas says is what Gurbani says about Brahman. If you guys hate their literature so much, find us sources that match your views. IF your sikkhi is true they will exist, but nah. What you'll do is, go through everything. Take out what you hate, change things and then present a new story, devised from....nothing. You guys don't even believe in it fully. Your missionary friends have argued that Bhagat Bani should be taken out, Gurbani instills warrior spirit. Where was your husband's khalsa spirit when he defecated and hid himself like a coward.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    @chatanga1 ਅਪਨੇ ਭਗਤ ਪਰਿ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਲ ॥ ਗਰੁੜ ਚੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਆਏ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥੧੬॥ ਕਹਹਿ ਤ ਧਰਣਿ ਇਕੋਡੀ ਕਰਉ ॥ ਕਹਹਿ ਤ ਲੇ ਕਰਿ ਊਪਰਿ ਧਰਉ ॥੧੭॥ ਕਹਹਿ ਤ ਮੁਈ ਗਊ ਦੇਉ ਜੀਆਇ ॥ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਈ ਦੇਖੈ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥੧੮॥ ਨਾਮਾ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਸੇਲ ਮਸੇਲ ॥ ਗਊ ਦੁਹਾਈ ਬਛਰਾ ਮੇਲਿ ॥੧੯॥ ਦੂਧਹਿ ਦੁਹਿ ਜਬ ਮਟੁਕੀ ਭਰੀ ॥ ਲੇ ਬਾਦਿਸਾਹ ਕੇ ਆਗੇ ਧਰੀ ॥੨੦॥ Isn't it ironic. This entire Sakhi of a deadcow being Brought to life by Nirankar Ji for Bhagat Naamdev Ji is within Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Dhandriawala's wife is clearly the king in this
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    This isn't dumb, the reason you think its dumb is because you're mind is closed. You want to talk logic but you refuse to actually engage in a logical debate. I'm not asking what a wise man will do. I'm asking what you'll say oh Great Wife of Dhandriwala, So am I to take you'll side with science over Gurbani? I answered them, the reason you can't swallow it is simple. You read the first tukh and started dancing like a monkey, if you read ahead you'd realise its critisizing those who use their powers to wow the world, Gain influence and following. You started the debate about Rehit. So I carried it on. Where am I nervous, I openly showed you where the Shabad's meaning is. You called Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan as corrupted, you're the one implying the scribe of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's first saroop is a liar, not me. You wanted evidence and I pointed it out, the sakhi is in every single sikh historical source out there, the original varan are also present in the reference library, we have them in their first form and they exist there. The only person getting nervous is you, you've openly insulted a Gursikh who was a contemporary of Guru Ji. That alone speaks volumes of your own arrogance. contradiction after contradiction from you. The Khalsa rehit as you just admitted isn't from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so it must be rejected. There's no tukh that tells sikhs to keep kesh or take amrit, as you've just shown. The bolded alone shows that, if being Sikh is all about the internal more than external then Rehit wouldn't be important at all as Internal is all one needs. Guru Ji would never have told sikhs to keep Kesh then. BY this stupid logic then Kesh isn't important at all, infact its possible to be a fully fledged Brahmgyani without keeping Kesh or rehit as you're so putting it Here Guru Ji even criticises those who keep long hair. ਮੂੰਡੁ ਮੁਡਾਇ ਜਟਾ ਸਿਖ ਬਾਧੀ ਮੋਨਿ ਰਹੈ ਅਭਿਮਾਨਾ ॥ more crap from Dhadariwala's wife I see. There's instructions to Sikhs in there, about what to do. How to live. The whole crap about "universal" message will only work so far, but the fact remains it tells Sikhs how to live (Gur ka Sikh jo akavaye), yet Kesh isn't mentioned there. You're arguing that its so Hindus and Muslims dont get their feelings hurt? what an absolutely stupid notion. Hindus worship Devs yet the Devs are criticised, muslims bow to mecca and that is criticised. Yet suddenly when Guru Ji was gonna put down rehit for Sikhs he didn't because what? He didn;t want to alienate the muslims and the hindus? after criticising so many of their rituals and beliefs? Also please show me the historical text telling Sikhs to keep Kesh and follow rehit then. More nonsense. You'll cry here about how Hindus don't do veechar of their shabads and just bash their heads on mandir floors. Vaishnatives read the Gita and then bow to idols of Lord Sri Krishna, by your logic that is also not idol worship. a Shivaite that worships a shivling and reads the Shiv Purana isn't doing idol worship. Like it or not but you're digging yourself into a hole, you can't say that if you don't have the feelings then it's idol worship or the veechar. If you're doing Veechar of Shabad then you'll find God in you, no need to do Metha Tekh to anything. That's the missionary view on this. You don't even believe that everything happens in Akaal Purkh's hukam so what can I say about your Buddhi? Sidh Ghost is a part of my nitnem, im more familiar with it than you are, the opening Pauris of Japji Sahib seem to be a mystery to you as Guru Ji flat out says that "ਹੁਕਮੈ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਹੁਕਮ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ". Trust me., the fact that you'll tear into Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan and call him a liar is a sign you have no respect for Ucha Gursikhs like him and think you're sarb gyani on Gurmat. No but you have all the time in the world to argue and call Bhai Gurdas Ji a liar. Anyways back to my thought experiment. I don't want any "a wise man would do this" or "muh science" nonsense. Cut the crap and get to the point. If Gurbani said the world is flat but science said the world is round, who are YOU going to side with? Your answer will tell the entire sangat what kind of "sikh" you are.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    You're not answering my question. Find me the tukhs, now. Go on, go and look through Gurbani , if my answer is in my question then you'll find it in Gurbani too. Find me tukhs in SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI that say we have to keep Kesh, we have to keep kakars, we have to take Amrit as Guru Gobind SIngh Ji ordained, we have to do Metha Tekh to the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, find me where in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji it says that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the Guru of the Sikhs. Find me the proof, find me the references in Gurbani. You were crying on another thread about wanting references so put your money where your mouth is wife of Dhadariwala. Find me these references, show us oh great one your amazing grasp of Gurbani. Why won't you answer my question though?
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    Corrected this for you. become an atheist then. They follow the exact same principles as you, minus God. You'll love it there. Do you see that tukh? the one you always seem to overlook in your example. That alone shows you can't be arsed reading Gurbani properly yet you're coming here lecturing others on it. The verse is critisizing those that use Sidhis to make other people be impressed by that. ਲੋਕੁ ਰਾਖੈ ਭਾਉ <--- see that? not rocket science. Nothing is outside of Hukam, Everything that happens is within hukam, go and try and defy God, you can't as you're bound by his rules. Not yours. More stupid nonsense from Dhadariwala's wife I see. Firstly those are 2 different incidents, trying to put them together is like trying to compare world war 2 to a live debate on tv. Guru Ji demonstrated his power to prove a point to the Pir, He didn't do it to cause the Pir to become impressed, he did it purely to show the infinite nature of God's creation. The Pir was a devout man, he was also pious and open minded. Hence why Guru Ji showed him this to put him straight. The Darbar Sahib incident is different altogether. Firstly, That's like having a rich friend (with Sidhis in this case) who you run to and ask to do everything, he does so but that makes you less autonomous. Guru Ji wanted his ordinary Sikhs (see the word ordinary) to be able to stand up against Tyranny and fight. Ordinary folks cant work anything so they rely on their weapons and shashters. Funny how you mention the attack on Darbar Sahib, the person defending it was a Taksali who believed what I'm saying, in-fact there is katha by him online. Look it up. SO where were you and your missionary buddies when Harmandhir Sahib was attacked? Dhandariawala crapped himself when someone shot at him, he ran and hid like a coward. What an amazing Sikh! you seem to want lick his feet from the way you feverishly defend him yet he still ran, defecated and also sat around afraid. Meanwhile you've sat here calling Taksalis horrible things when one of the Jathedhars of Taksal defended Harmandhir Sahib and faced an army. Dhandriwala's biggest enemy seems to be his own bowels. Dont answer my question with a question. Answer me this, find me the tukh in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that says the following. 1) Keep Kakars 2) Take Amrit as prepared by Guru Gobind Singh Ji 3) Keep Kesh at all times. 4) where does it say we have to do Metha tek to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and not turn our backs to it. BY your own definitions this is idol worship. Go for it. I'm waiting. Finally, something that makes sense from you. Corrupt how? you call it corrupt and insult Bhai Gurdas Ji because you're so deluded in your own ego that you think you have Sikhi penned down. The original varan exist and are in the reference library, the sakhi is within them, this Sakhi has been traced by all through history, it's in Suraj Prakash Granth, Panth Prakash (I believe), Bhai Mani Singh Ji's Janam Sakhis, Bhai Bala Ji's janamasakhis, they all contain it. You want proof well here it is. Read it and weep. All you've shown here is that you missionaries want to throw out anything you don't like. Dont cut apart Gurbani and then throw it in there to try and give a different message. Dear Wife of Dhandariawala. What is real and what is not, that only God knows. There's nothing he can't do, You've still not answered my question. btw. So I'll ask you again since its apparent you seem to shy away from these things. This is a thought experiment and it should completely decipher where your loyalties lie.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    Funny as you guys do nothing more than cry about everything else. How many Shaheed Missionaries exist btw? Traditional schools like Taksal, Dal, Nirmala, Sevapanthi all have a long history of shaheedi, where is yours? Your best friend Dhadriwala crapped himself and peed when someone attacked him. Meanwhile Taksalis like Sant Jarnail Singh Ji faced bullets face-first defending Harmandhir Sahib.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    So I guess you don't keep your kesh then too? don't wear kakars or take amrit? lemme guess, you don't do nagar Kirtan and the 5 Pyare never happened too. Bhai Gurdas Ji was a contemporary of Guru Ji, his varan are parvan. You can find the originals in the reference library, this verse also exists in them. Cut the nonsense, you idiots like to take out what you don't like. That's the sad truth of you missionaries, you love to edit history and simply change it because it flies over your head. Why can't the Gurus perform miracles? There's miracles mentioned happening in Gurbani, Bhagat Kabir Ji recounts how his chains broke when the brahmins threw him in the water and he ended up floating, a dead cow came back to life for Bhagat Namdev Ji, I could go on but it's pretty apparent you and your new best buddy Dhadriawala will simply stick to a more athiestic approach. Gurbani says SHOWING miracles to get ahead in the world is wrong, using them for personal gain is wrong BUT should the need arise to protect and uphold Dharama then yes it is parvan. There;s the key phrase there, Guru Ji flat out said if he did it to hold people in awe, to gain influence then its pointless. No benefit? of course you wouldn't see one. Someone that pulls tukhs out and changes them on a whim couldn't hopeless understand what God is capable of. So please tell me how the universe came into being, according to science God isn't needed. Did God just magic it up? According to science there is no such thing as a divine being, who are you connecting to? Because unlike the other folks doing them Guru Ji told his sikhs to hide them away and only use them in Hukam. This is what I love about you moronic missionaries. You're tearing through scriptures and poking holes in your own stupid logic. If Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the benchmark then you guys are also going to get rid of amrit, get rid of kesh rehit, get rid of everything. As NONE of that is mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. What do you guys exactly like? other than your own huge egos? you hate every historical text/Teeka out there so where is your history from? The original manuscripts of Bhai Gurdas Ji's varan and Swaiye exist, you can even access them all this is in there but you guys want to take it out because you hate it all. They exist and these come directly from them. So no there's not corrupt, what you idiots are doing is calling Bhai Gurdas Ji a liar now because you can't understand the varan and Gurbani themselves. I have a question for you, this should be simple enough and should tell you who you'll believe. Lets say Gurbani tells you the world is flat, but you observe that the world is round. So whom do you side with? One answer here, Gurbani or your own insight. No clever remarks, if you try that approach I'll conclude that that you're simply not a sikh as u have no faith in bani.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    Because like your new best friend, you call everything Brahmvaad. Read the vaar, and tell me if Bhai Gurdas Ji is lying. Vaar number 1, Shabad 36. This is really truly something, you're crying about tat Gurmat yet you've not even touched these varan. Shocking.
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