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  1. Probably they have Intentionally not included those who have answered correctly... how's this possible that NOT ONE person knows about the real history?
  2. O... Sorry for the late reply Yes these are good links above. Still try and read the 18, 19 page of this thread only @Luckyveerji has described the things so well Let me paste it for us here. It's too good and has helped me alot Quote Lucky 1,876 Posted April 5, 2014 I was just going to explain my interpretation of Rom Rom simran. It's mentioned quite often in the order of saas graas, saas saas and then rom rom, but very rarely does any mahapursh give any details about it. I get that impression because it is a very practical technique that involves sukham sareer compared to physical, and I assume that most teachers/mahapursh/sant show and demonstrate to an abyhasee only after he is adept in saas graas and saas saas. It almost seems as it is kept hush hush and some sant/mahapursh don't reveal to student until x-amount of years have been spent doing the other vidhis/jugtees. I found that I could get a little information from one place and another little idea from another,,,,, so basically, my interpretation is from gathering the little bits and putting them together from varying sources. I must stress that as far as I understand it, one should be doing this only when they know how to maintain or get very close to a steadiness and when they are able to get breath balanced (ie,, via sukhmana channel) Primarily,one has to do more abyhaas to get the nadhis cleansed and stimulated, and when this happens- the sukham sareer properties start coming into play. I won't go into the vidhies of breath balancing or dhyian control for now,but will give you my understanding and how I've been doing the rom rom simran. ROM ROM SIMRAN This is pasanti bhani jap- which is mental,silent and completely from the sukham Mind. and it is antar ghat (completely internal) We are using sukham ears and sukhammouth to jap. (ie,,,sukham gyan and karam indries) It is ALL sukham compared to the Physical breathing manoeuvres/inhalations/tongue use....etc.. in Saas graas & Saas saas However, there is the beginning aspect of trying to feel the pulse or heartbeat, that is classed as physical. But once you master this, then it all becomes sukham. A little point I would like to make is about some confusion for matching breathing with heartbeat - which can no doubt lead to hyperventilation! I really don't think that you should match your breath to heartbeat- since this is ALL sukham. If we start matching physical breath then we are going towards sargun/physical behaviour again. The way I see it is- With simran we progress through the jugtees and techniques by gradually making our surti, dhyian and actions, to move from Sargun to Nirgun. So, if our surti can come out and away from the sargun body, then we move away from the grasps of kaal and his maya dominance. Therefore, we need to make surti/dhyian move from Sargun to Nirgun. (remember- before creation there was just the nirgun shabad and all sargun manifested later. It makes sense to go back home in that reverse order!) As for the rapid breathing technique that can lead to hyperventilation and hypoxia, I am aware that some keertan sangats practice this, but this is not to be confused with heartbeat & rom rom jugtee, or any other jugtee for that matter. Hypoxia or oxygen deprivation from rapid hyperventilation can give someone a good feeling of being lightheaded. I have heard how some of these kirtan sangats(akj) claim to have feelings of divine anand from their fast paced kirtan samagams, but this is nothing much different than the 2 minute high that party students get with nitric 'poppers', because of same oxygen starvation effects. Technique/method 1) 1st quieten and get that steady state where breath is balanced. 2) Try and feel your heart beat by putting the focus into that area 3) If this is difficult, then it may help if- -a) you hold your breath for a few seconds and then try to locate/listen. -b) Or you can instead ,try to feel your pulse on the wrist. 4) Once you find the beat and can follow it's beating rhythm, then putting some more dhyian there should make it more louder and prominent. 5) the anhad naad/dhun should also get more prominent if you have it present. -I usually find that they both get more enhanced at the same time 6) Now, that the heart beating is clear and can be followed, you incorporate and match the gurmantar along with it to begin rom rom. -this itself can be done in 2 ways a) you should be able to identify an ''up'' beat and a ''down'' beat. ...then coincide the Wahe-with-Up, and the Guru-with-Down. OR.. b) when the beat is too fast to differentiate the up/down, then you can match the whole gurmantar with this faster beat. For eg..you are saying waheguru,waheguru,waheguru, without any pause or breaks in wahe-and-guru. With practice, you should eventually be able to locate the heartbeat without touching or feeling any pulse. If you HOLD the breath for a few seconds, then this also make it easier to sense. NEXT, the goal is to put the focus on navel, because when focusing at navel, one can be steady in the sukhmanna channel and trying to rise upwards. The sukhmanna channel runs directly from navel area towards the nijh ghar. (in a straight line along the path of chakras) Before we are born and in the womb, this connection is fully active and intune with waheguru. When the umbilical cord is cut and the first birth breath is taken, that's when the veil layers of maya world start their course. You could also say that the knot to maya is tied after cord is cut/breath is taken in atmosphere. ਮਨ ਰੇ ਪਵਨ ਦ੍ਰਿੜ ਸੁਖਮਨ ਨਾਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Man re pavan ḏariṛ sukẖman nārī. ||1|| rahā▫o. O mind, hold your breath steady within the central channel of the Sushmanaa. ||1||Pause|| It's important to get the steady breath balance before you start rom rom. This steadiness and control comes when there are no thoughts. If any thoughts arise, then the breath balancing goes into either side of Ida or Pingala. That’s why it is called the turbulent ocean (bhavsagar) because we rock from side to side (left to right), or from ida to pingala whilst trying to travel up the nadis and trying to maintain the steadiness in sukhmana throughout. This 2nd stage of rom rom is to focus around navel area and feel the pulse there which is much more sukham. The focus, I believe is not directly at the belly button, but you feel the pulse and rom rom vibration just below it and deeper inside. It is the area called the DHARAN.- which is about 1 inch below and 1 inch inwards. I often find it a little easier to locate this subtle area compared to the heartbeat sometimes. With practice it should become easier and almost instant. The vibrations that I feel there can be Inand Out and so I use the mental Wahe-inand Guru-out, OR sometimes they may be going slightlyup/down at an angle rather than in/out, but I still use the same method and have noticed that the rate of rom rom vibration is practically the same. All the jap is done in complete sukham from the mind, and it can help if you do the internal, mental chant with the inner voice being raised with some power behind it. (as if your enforcing your internal chant) The last check I usually make is to be sure that I am breathing slowly and normally, and not accidentally incorporating the breath into the jap rhythm-which can be very easily done (and then you can end up with the hyperventilating issue explained above). Again, with practice, this will become instant and second nature. This practice takes you on a whole new quest with both mystical and spiritual experiences, that are individual and personally tailored to each of us. You will know that they can't be discussed openly. I can seriously understand why it is of great importance to have the right sangat and experienced gurmukh/mahapursh/sant guidance/advisor to assist you along the encounters at this stage. This is probably the reason to why it has the "hush hush'' factor and doesn't get mentioned too often. Sadly, I'm not in the company of any mahapursh and at certain times I have felt the desperate need to get questions answered. So far, I seemed to have managed using gurbani, certain info sources, practice and of course, Waheguru's blessings. Using the above practice method should eventually make Rom Rom fully manifest/pargat. There are a few nishanees that can help determine if it's pargat in full or not, but I won't go into those here.
  3. Cooool... Wow. All the best. Pls do read about rom rom simran from this site... And keep growing. But remember this always.. ਕਰਮੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਨ ਊਪਜੈ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਹਜੈ ਸਹਸਾ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥ ਨਹ ਜਾਇ ਸਹਸਾ ਕਿਤੈ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਰਹੇ ਕਰਮ ਕਮਾਏ ॥ ਸਹਸੈ ਜੀਉ ਮਲੀਣੁ ਹੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਸੰਜਮਿ ਧੋਤਾ ਜਾਏ ॥ ਮੰਨੁ ਧੋਵਹੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਾਗਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਰਹਹੁ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਸਹਜੁ ਉਪਜੈ ਇਹੁ ਸਹਸਾ ਇਵ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੮॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 919} It's all about 'Gurprasadi'. Don't let ur ego come in between. It's him doing 'his' Jaap
  4. Yes. Thank u. Maskeen ji's audios above confirmed that. I have a long way to go still...
  5. Well long ago I wrote an article on this. It was published on fb page. I will chk if I could find the link.. Guru Sahib talks.. Yes he does and such is his love. We may not understand it then but time being we realize, how relevant baani was to things ..... Here's d link I hv found...
  6. SSA Ji I had same issues.. Still coping.. All d best Listen to this video. This will help.
  7. Hanji Thanks. But somehow this time oh ' thand' nahi mili. I mean m not satisfied yet...
  8. Replying to this topic to bring it to the notice of current sangat, as it's pretty old. Was looking for the terms 1. 'char padarth' 2. 'chaudaan hatnaale'- 14 hattiyaan( shops) as per Gurmat. Please sangat ji, put some inputs on both the topics. WJKKWJKF
  9. But after ur Nitnem ofcourse. Rather be sure.if u can handle the powers ... .. Else go for Jaap Sahibs or Chaupai Sahib instead And no need for apologies, we are all Sangi Sakhi'-s here .. so even more than friends. ... Cheers to ur curiosity!! @Soulfinder Veerji. Hanji. I am aware that u do Dasam Banis and love them. I do to and I have put in the caution more than once in the post above, that ridh siddh is NOT sikhi. It brings negative powers. One thing that i perceive is I take Bhagauti as the motherly form of Akaal Purakh. As Guru Sahib says " Namo Sri Bhagauti..." And Pratham Bhagauti than Guru Nanak that is he himself. So how can be my mom dangerous and bring damage to me?? 'Gobind bhaav Bhagat ka bhooka' so feelings,love and kirpa holds higher place than jap, tap sanjam right? And similarly 'shaheed Singhs are the part of a family. Like our brothers so where's the danger ? I mean that's how it looks to me personally
  10. Oops my bad! Actually Lucky veerji was kind enough to send me a pm to clarify my doubt. M Thankful But as always... 100 claps to @Soulfinder Veerji. Always ready to help. Thanks a tonn. Be blessed
  11. Hey everyone .. please go through the new article on lighting a Jot in the house. https://saadhsangat.wordpress.com/do-you-light-a-jot-or-diya-in-your-house/ Any updates/ comments will be appreciated. Thank u
  12. Sat Sri Akal ji, First things first- nobody here on the forum would ever lecture u to discourage u from reading Bani. We all are here cos we gain from here .. lose nothing. But u seem to be in hurry and seem to have a short temper too. That's NOT a trait of 'Sant Sipahi' . I am sorry to say but if that's the attitude may have to go for 10 crore Jap's instead of 10 lakhs to sidh Shastra Naam Mala or may be more to please GURU SAHIB. Cos the ultimate name of the game is 'Kirpa'. Be- aware that the First word is SANT the second is Sipahi'. Anyway 'no lecturer' as u don't like them So the Maryada is same for all Dasam Banis - Kesi Snaan. Clean clothes ( better hygiene) Degh( pure) and if u know about Shaheedi Degh - the better. Jot Water Kalash Pure Aasan Scented room( more organic the better-non alcoholic perfumes are a plus) If u sitting in front of Guru Sahib then that's best. Else Set up Sarabloh Shastras on a high platform with all respect ((yeh hamaare Peer)) and alongwith the Bani/ Pothhi ((Pothhi Parmesan Da thhaan)) but yes if u wish to siddh the baani be ready to bear the power as it comes with lots of responsibilities and put lot EXTRA efforts- though caution again - " ridh sidh awra saad- it brings negative powers - ego/pride/ anger etc too" Go through these videos before u start. All the Best Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki FATEH And part 2 of this video.
  13. Sat Sri Akaal Please can someone from the sangat throw more light on this topic. As in what is mukti - is it just the liberation from Jamm. //84 joonis or there is more to it. 2. Types of muktis. As I recall reading somewhere here by @Lucky veerji that being Mukat has more than one meaning as Shaheed Singhs, Dharamraj etc are Mukat but not 'leen' in waheguru ji. Pls veerji would you elaborate on this topic
  14. Yes even I hv heard about him, though haven't had the opportunity to get the Darshan. There's a NanakSar Gurudwara next to GangaRam Hospital in Karol Bagh. Delhi. Many people from the hospital get help from Gurudwara Sahib in various forms. He's the head of this Gurudwara Sahib. Please mention about ur experience here if u meet him
  15. Ya I can understand.. since u have grown up in such environment. But don't worry. "Jin upai medni sei de adhaar" .. path n Simran are food for soul.. he himself gives u hunger n himself provides food.Its all his game. As u have mentioned before that,the day u don't connect.. u get uneasy, irritated etc. So he will make u do it himself.. just carry on with the flow n be amazed on how he plays....
  16. Haina kamaal di Gurbani! Answers everything. Everytime. And Soulfinder Veer ji u r such a sweetheart. Always ready to help every one. Hats off✌ I am always thankful for mp3 u provided me
  17. Absolutely! N thanks to our Gurbani that makes things clear for us.. Guru Sahib says that unclean is 'Not' the woman with periods it's that every person who is filled with an unclean mann- filth of paap. Gurbani has answers to everything in life. It's amazing!!
  18. Yes darling that's wat I mean. .. And I really don't understand why sinful?? I mean is it something bad or wrong we are doing intentionally?? It's something natural.. If it's wrong then he's at fault he's committing sin not me. I have mentioned it before.. This is something that a woman should be proud of... As it makes her productive... BTW Simran is food for soul. Do we stop eating during periods?? Rather since we r physically not that active during these days, we can put in more time for Waheguru ji Haina??
  19. Hey Hi Congrats.. Being from a hindu family if you have decided to follow the path of ☝One God instead of 33 crore Devi/Devtas. U deserve a pat on the back.. Be thankful and consider urself blessed. It's a true kirpa. He has blessed u with his name... Being a girl I can understand ur position. Things become difficult for us more than men, specially in Indian society.. But u know it may be a blessing in disguise. Its just how we see it. If u r NOT complaining u r on the right track dear... Cos we as girls can accept things more subtly.. Accept astral concepts easily without arguing.. We can suppress ego easily.. Can Self surrender and ACCEPT HIM AS OUR 'PIR' - Lord/husband just naturally... Just find the purpose and keep on diving in his love.. More U will be drenched More u will grow ((rise in love)) And yes don't take any monthly breaks Yaa..
  20. How so very enlightening... But so very difficult. Shukar hai we are born in Sikhism and these 'gunns' grow up on their own in us as we read Banis and learn and grow in Nitnem... like 1.Killing of vices 2. Increase in concentration 3. Increase in DevGunns(which will include selfsurrender, killing of ego-haome), killing of anger- thus becoming soft spoken, most tolerant etc These 1,2,3 comes on their own as we keep on reading Gurbani/do Nitnem or hold on to Dasam Banis..... The journey thereafter which is bookish for me yet (pls correct if I am wrong) 4. Sehaj utpann hona/ bairaag / life seems like a lie 5. Darshan hona-Anhad sunna 6. Bhed Prakat hona-4 khand da gyaan hona 7. Bhavjal Tarna 8 Reach the 5th khand(sach khand) 9. Get absorbed in the ULTIMATE TRUTH
  21. @Sat1176Veerji is right. We get used to it. Still u can hear this one ☝ if Simranjit Singh jis voice is not appealing to u
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