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Nothing is more effective than Naam

Again n again m saying- it's okay if they use it in jung as a pain killer or as a medicine .. Not for strength, pleasure, bliss, refreshment and whatever he has wrongly quoted but you guys are so busy blaming that now once and for all think watever you may have to- my Guru Sahib never ever supported any kind of Nasha hope you guys know the meaning( m NOT saying MEDICINE)

Bhai Sahab ji has clearly clarified that there isn't any such medical condition as tinnitus, it's only an ignorance when those who aren't able to diagnose it- understand it has termed it. Many people have previous janam kamais they don't even know of. Plus when your mind stops thinking be it under the influence of intoxicants or under the influence of bhakti (remember naam khumari-) you get cut off from the world- you start hearing Anhad. The purpose is different but path tends to mix and thus the effect is the same - silence.. Bhai sahab clearly mentions in other kathas that bhakti starts at the onset of these sounds... Meaning - Mind- thinking- ego- mai, meri stops.. Silence onsets- Bhakti starts...

Lol now won't they need drugs then? When I was trying to say that Sarab rog ka aukhad is naam -- that is what guru Sahib has preached, believed and practiced.. you were quoting false stories. .. How can you believe on two contradictions at the same time? Which one is you? Or is there a psychological error? Your precious comments @GurjantGnostic

Hanji @Soulfinder Satnam is one of the powerful mantra.. It's a Guru Mantra for Kabir panthis. Kabir ji used to japp Satnam. As per Nanaksar maryaada they call satnamji before entering anyone's room. - be it Guru Sahib ji's room when they bring Parshaada etc It's an important part of our Mool Mantra as well. His Name is pious and powerful in any form, panth or language.

I am aware that you are interested in old writings and texts so you must be knowing how they were altered many times to finish n defame sikhi...YOU AGREED THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM SO Y SUPPORTING THE WRONG.. Also please compare - what you have posted to what has been posted by paapiman. You are mentioning its use as a medicine when a sikh is hurt in the jung and he is mentioning it as a source of strength - to keep sikhs in bliss -- really? As for @GurjantGnostic one more time please read properly before commenting- #1. there's no point in supporting what u haven't read #2 there's no point in me answering to a passersby comment as it was quoted above by you.

Again.. Pls correct yourselves ONLY as medicinal supplements and that too on others. See thas my point of 'larai' is - why post such things on a forum where many sikhs and non sikhs visit to give them a wrong impression of your own Guru Sahibs quoting these false stories about Guruji. He's Sarab kala samarthan he wouldn't need these things and reading this kind of stuff may let people relate those ' chittaah fudus to my Guru Sahib' - we can't let that happen. Pls ask him to remove these false stories mentioning Guru Sahib consumed these things for refreshment, power etc

Krodh n rosh are two different aspects.. If I don't get in krodh when a paapiman is writing crap about My Guru Sahib I am better not alive @dalsingh101 veerji - he's writing caanbis as refreshing drink etc for Guru Sahib , also mentioning that Guru Hargobind Sahib used to consume it. - As a Medicine I understand is a different aspect @GurjantGnostic so you agree that Real sikhs like Baba Deep Singh ji has the Jog abilities mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji to keep himself intoxicated in the love of Guru and don't need any outside Nasha. So read the fake codes above where he's defaming Gurus themselves taking this crap... My larai is not about medicine. You guys didn't read his quotes then... N Btw Guru Granth Sahib covers everything - our nervous system, Human brain and what not? Study about today's science on human brain and you will get to know that an average human being like me and you doesn't use even 10%of our brains. Our brains have a lot of power. Guru k sikhs and Guru ji himself developed this power by bhakti, where they can use their nerves to heal, cut off from pain etc

See Mister this is no baani.. These are all false stories.. So you better stop promoting these crappy stuff else YOUR BHOOL CHUK IS NOT MAAF cos this is INTENTIONAL no bhool None of the Sikh Gurus ever supported Nasha . Period

This is superb .. Can some Gurmukh please elaborate more on this so that I can get more insight on the concept.

See Mister this is no baani.. These are all false stories.. So you better stop promoting these crappy stuff else YOUR BHOOL CHUK IS NOT MAAF cos this is INTENTIONAL no bhool None of the Sikh Gurus ever supported Nasha . Period

Now! As for Bhakti let me tell you wats mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib ji. He says ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ Jo Brehamanddae Soee Pinddae Jo Khojai So Paavai || The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥ Jo Brehamanddae Soee Pinddae Jo Khojai So Paavai || The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; So when one sits in Bhakti they generate the super energy and intoxication of mind called - Sunn - (quietness) to enter the state of silence- samaadhi. All the abhiyaasi sikhs would know it as they experience it daily. There's a mention of such harmone being produced in the mind by Lucky veerji somewhere here on the forum. So the way these natural herbs grow on the earth they are produced in one's mind as well -- Kabir jee call it taari We read it as Naam khumaari too--- Guru k Chardikala waale singhs were capable enough to do this JOG and get United in the feet of the Lord plus get the power to win any yudhh -- so please stop spreading these jhooti kahaniyaa and if you have little awareness - don't read them yourself too - else you won't be able to save yourself as well cos NO VIVEKI sikh is going to believe the crap you have posted - only few foolish followers may - dubb mooye bug bapde sir tull upar paav- along with - SO EVERYONE BE AWARE I am sorry for being rude but I mean each n every word of it

Kaal is working so well here.. People are supporting lies by quoting jhooti baani from here n there. All these are fraudulent writings - is it anywhere mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib?? Is paapiman a real paapiman trying to degrade sikhi ?? Supporting nasha which is a bajjar kurehat and ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE who helped punjab turn into Urda punjab?? All pakhandis grossed in chitta? And the worst part is that you are quoting it Under the name of my Gurus. I feel like hitting you ON THE FACE. SUCH A SHAME. How can admin allow such crap --@sarabatamveerji I tell you all if there is a flaw or a problem in a person's house he doesn't go out Blabbering about it to the whole world rather he tries to conceal it- the way Muslims conceal sunnat or Bakar id behind pious stories. BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE BAD NAMING A RELIGION WHICH DOESN'T HAVE ANY FLAWS. HOW dare you? If you call yourselves sikhs then I am ashamed of being a part of it @paapiman please remove all this crap from a public forum and if you support drugs do it in your house not under the name of MY GURUS - I warn you.

Yes they call it mann nu maaya vallu kutna.. To beat it away from thoughts... Thas a jugti too

Wow! Eho jehia saakhiya helps all to build their faith Thanks

Amazing! Very well explained. Thank you Worldly chores doesn't allow me to sit in Samaadhi for long and I always wondered will I hv to come back? Thank you. You made my day. I know my answer now. That's a starting stage veerji.. way to go! You will get different experiences as you would learn to sit in sunn.. one day you may feel u r flying, other day you may be expanding or contracting or falling... Sometimes we feel a suction on the head.. I perceive all these are ways of HIM letting us know of his presence

Nice discussion ! And a very important one indeed cos most of us face this during our journey towards bhakti. I even created a separate thread on sleep during meditation a year back I guess. Now what I have realised is ( I stand to be corrected- that there is a very thin line between sunn and sleep. Since childhood we have been made acquainted with sleep but never knew or heard what sunn is... Sunn is a state of being. They also call it awareness but we often mix it with sleep. When we say i have no idea where i was for those many hours- thst is we were probably thoughtless. That's good news "> cos that's sunn. All those hours get counted in our bhakti. The only way that i have realised till now to differentiate is follow your progress. If your heart inside is happy even when things are bad or worse outside. You are on the right track. I myself feel dancing inside on the tones of scolding from my elders when you start doubting your own sanity sometimes. Its funny but true,! Just ask yourself when you wake up from that state where you were and if the answer is you really don't know then that's good but if there were thoughts - that was harchandauri maya so keep walking... And praying for him to help you as we are all his children.. and tend to fall .... @Lucky veeeji pls comment. Where are you

Dukh daaru sukh rog bhayaa... Pain and suffering are an integral part of a human life.. I have faced those times.too and so has many of us on the forum- eg our most respectful lucky Veer Ji here, who almost got a new life- gone through a major accident and coma .. but if they lead you to bhakti- make you realise the real meaning/ purpose of your existence what better daaru( medicine) can one get. All the best veere.. we all are on a journey against kaal,you aren't alone...

Shabad Hazaare are the shabads - the letters of love written by Guru Arjan Dev ji when he was sent away by Guru Ramdas Sahib to a relative's wedding and ordered not to return unless called. They depict the utmost love and " tarap" he had for His 'Guru Pita' - it is also said that a single shabad of this bani is equivalent to hazaar Jaap of a mantra - THE POWER OF LOVE - so one path is equal to recital of whole Guru Granth Sahib Ji......stories apart. . if you feel the love in each shabad - you read it once and those shabads just don't leave you the whole day - they keep on wandering inside your head all the time and what's better than singing Mera Mann loche Gur Darsan taayi, bilap kare chatrik ki nyaayi... Meherwaan Sahib Mera meherwaan.. Mere Laal jiyo tera ant naa jaana... Mann mander tann ves kalander ghat hi teerath naava .. sahibaaa you just fall in love as you read them and instill them inside you. I read them as I am reminded of them .. all the time. Anytime. BTW ... This Bani is the part of morning nitnem in Nanaksar maryaada. Happy chanting Waheguru!

Waheguru Ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki Fateh all I am sorry but i don't agree to the sounds being negative - Gurumukhs always believe in "sab Gobind hai" they don't find any thing negative and are always positive- Nanak bhagtaa sadaa vigaas Only a person walking on the path of bhakti hears these sounds, if they would have been negative or from hell( lol) they would be common among all Indian politicians and so on.. as for body being paralysed that happens every time one tends to enter sunn. -i am sure that's common among abhiyaasis ( haina @Lucky @Sat1176 @HisServant veerji . That happens as we put all our attention to the mind;(our concentration gets accumulated at one place) and takes us a considerable amount of effort to bring it back to the body, there's this paralysed feeling till then.. its Samadhi state i guess.

Sounds good. How do you people connect everyday?

Waheguru ji. ਬਹੁਤ ਦੁਖਦਾਈ ਖਬਰ-ਬਾਬਾ ਰਾਮ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਸੀਂਗੜੇ ਨਾਨਕਸਰ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਨੇ ਕਿਸਾਨ ਧਰਨੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਗੋਲੀ ਮਾਰ ਲਈ ਅਤੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਚਲਾਣਾ ਕਰ ਗਏ| ਆਪਣੇ ਆਖਰੀ ਨੋਟ ਵਿੱਚ ਉਹ ਲਿੱਖ ਕੇ ਗਏ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਤੋਂ ਕਿਸਾਨਾਂ ਦਾ ਦਰਦ ਹੋਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੇਖਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੋਰ ਕਿੰਨੀਆਂ ਕੁ ਜਾਨਾਂ ਲੈਣਗੇ ਇਹ ਕਾਤਿਲ ਨਵੇਂ ਖੇਤੀ ਆਰਡੀਨੈਂਸ ਤੇ ਬੇਦਰਦ ਸਰਕਾਰ | ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਆਤਮਿਕ ਸ਼ਾਂਤੀ ਲਈ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰਿਓ ਤੇ ਉਮੀਦ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਬਾਬਾ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੀ ਰੰਗ ਲਿਆਵੇਗੀ | बहुत दुखद समाचार - बाबा राम सिंह जी सिंगरा नानकसर ने किसान धरने में खुद को गोली मार ली और मर गए। अपने अंतिम नोट में, उन्होंने लिखा है कि किसानों का दर्द मुझसे देखा नहीं जा सकता है ये हत्यारे नए कृषि अध्यादेशों कितने और जीवन लेंगे? #farmersprotest #babaramsinghji Source: https://www.facebook.com/323263358019596/posts/1337952329884022/

Some 'human' factor is always there, who ever you may listen to except SGGS ji. Try n ignore anything you hear negative and pick positivity. Actually our mind is somehow trained to pick other's faults since janams.. so its tough.. No one is perfect except Waheguru and as Simranjeet Singg ji ( m not sure) said in his recent katha .. we have to move on this Bhakti path as a person who takes care of his actions when he wears all whites. Bachaa k chalna painda hai ji.

Waheguru ji, You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this... we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu.. mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. @harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day.

I am sorry but i feel nirbhau and Nirvair are those distinctive qualities of Akal Purakh which can only be attained once a person reaches a certain Avastha. First step is to just walk towards this direction. Pray to waheguru ji that i want to walk on the path of 'liv' .. request him to pick his child or make him walk on his path. That's all one can do.. Rest is all in his hands. If he makes you do his Bhakti, Jap naam, enter sunn and imparts to different Avastha etc. Haina?? At a time we start realising our faults and bads.. get to know the rights n wrongs... Somehow gets connected to sangat n so on...