Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Please ponder. Sikhs are not able to convince each other. Why? Perhaps Sikhs need to experience truth first. Since years seeker's mind is being filled with the wrong translations and preaching. Today they are fighting to prove that they are right what they have understood. Here are few examples from some posts. Singh2 Jee provided these translations. ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ Somewhere He hath created millions of servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama. (pg.98) In my view the correct translation is this. Somewhere through Krisan millions of lives produced. Somewhere through Raam deleted the created. ----- This is another example. ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥ (ਕ੍ਰਿ.ਵਤਾਰ) I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not meditate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Lord.434. May I ask if 'in saoN' ਇਨ ਸੋਂ is another name of the supreme Lord as mentioned in the above translation? ***** Quote from Kaljug Jee "God would still exist, but the Hindu Ram would cease to be." Enlightened Kaljug Jee, please explain. God would still exist, but what will happen with the Sikh Raam? ***** The reverend Gurus have not only used the word 'ustati'. They have done ustati of Akaal, Kaal, Mahaakaal, Devee etc. In Sri Guru Granth Saahib Jee the true Gurus have not only used the word 'Maaee' but also asked favor from 'Maaee'. Why? Who is this 'Maaee'? Is this all 'Waheguru' that Sikhs do not know? Balbir Singh PS I am away for few weeks.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Laalsingh Jee! You wrote in the post #54 "Gursikh should worship Akal only." Please provide a reference for this. I will be grateful. ***** Quote from Singh2 Jee "At many places for example Guru sahib has written some verses with heading " Ab Devi ji ku ustat" for example in krishna avtar and many people who are against Dasam granth say that Guru sahib is praising a Devi. if one reads those carefully that devi is no deity but Waheguru ji." May I ask why Gurdev is addressing Devi as female? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and dsd108 Jee! You wrote mentioning Baba Narain Singh Jee Maharaj "A sikh must keep away from the sorcerers and amuletmakers or necromancers, as they are low people." May I ask? Is this the Sikh technique to get solace? You wrote further "Search for true saints who will serve, guide and protect you during their their life time as well as even after their physical death . . ." Please explain. How does it work? A Sikh should keep away from necromancers but searches for saints, who serve, guide and protect you even after their physical death. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! What does a Sikh do to get solace? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and The Khalsa Fauj Jee! You wrote "They existed as human that owned small territories." Thanks for your explanation. I should realize it now that my neighbor Bhagwaan Singh was a Sikh and not God. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! This is another attribute of a Brahman. He gives education. The wisdom that actuates Bhagtee in a person is different. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Someone may please explain. Why word 'ekaa' is used here and not 1, ek, eku, ekao etc.? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Come to know true Simran. Each word from Gurdev becomes an experience. Without true Naam Simran no meaning (arth) can quench the thirst. Each word from Gurdev is a riddle without receiving Naam, what to say about a sentence (Vaak). The wondrous Vaak from Gurdev is 'ekaa maaee jugati viaaee tin chele parvaaNu'. Strange, translators and preachers are not able to explain one word of it. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Gurbaanee is not modeling clay that one can twist to produce imaginary figures. Gurbaanee is to enliven as it is. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Please listen. Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing. ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਖਿਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥ साधसंगि खिन माहि उधारे ॥ Saadhsangi khin maahi udhaare. sggs ang 103 Baabaa Hari Singh is but promising bondage with earth for ten thousand years. Has he not come to know the right Naam Simran? ***** Some Baabaas claim being not guilty because they were reading and pleading books, once recommended by the Akaal Takht. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and The Khalsa Fauj Jee! You wrote "Brahman isn't our Guru because we walk on the path given by Bhagats and Nanak in Gurbani." Have I understood it correctly? You are not a part of Jagat (world). Please narrate one sentence proving that you are walking on the same path given by Bhagats and Naanak in Gurbaanee. I will be grateful. Quote "Please also read the next line after the one you posted. It will tell you why Brahman is rejected as Guru." Please refer to this line clearly again. Quote "Other than that, you have to use dasam duar to answer questions which are raised in your thoughts." It is lost since it opened once. I am trying to take help of yours to understand you. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and The Khalsa Fauj Jee! You wrote "Maayaa is inside you. You are full of maayaa." Does this technique work in all? Watch Maayaa in others and find God within. Quote "Maaee has many meaning. Depends on where it is used." Funny folk replace many words from the reverend Gurus with the word 'Waheguru'. Strange, the same folk are convinced that the same word 'maaee' has many meaning. Quote "Gurdev is saying that everyone is claiming to be the highest. That is why there is aunkar there. Logica is still the same. You just have to understand and use your naam simran if you have done some." Are children allowed to ask questions in your class, teacher jee? Quote "You will not become truthful by praying to truth. You will become truthful by following truth. So now take the next step and start following the truth by implementing it into your life." Thanks. Quote "It is not fine to accept trimurti of Brahma Vishnu Mahesh because Gurbani didn't accept them to be creator, sustainer and destroyer." Did Gurdev ever say? "It is not fine to accept trimurti of Brahma Vishnu Mahesh." Please provide one reference from Gurdev to back up the above statement. ***** The Khalsa Fauj Jee, You wrote "Maaee has many meaning. Depends on where it is used." Please provide other meanings also. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Khalsa Fauj Jee! You explained "Maaee means maayaa" Please ponder. Guru Raam Daas Jee is singing. ਮਾਈ ਮੋਰੋ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਰਾਮੁ ਬਤਾਵਹੁ ਰੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ माई मोरो प्रीतमु रामु बतावहु री माई ॥ maaee moro preetamu raamu bataavahu ree maaee. sggs ang 369 Is Gurdev asking Maayaa the address or whereabouts of Raam? ***** Also, you explained "Ik means One but it refers to God here because there is an aunkar underneath the kakka" Please listen. Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing. ਨਾਨਕ ਆਖਣਿ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਆਖੈ ਇਕ ਦੂ ਇਕੁ ਸਿਆਣਾ ॥ नानक आखणि सभु को आखै इक दू इकु सिआणा ॥ naanak aakhan sabhu kao aakhai ik doo iku siaaNaa. sggs ang 5 Is Gurdev referring here One God or many? ***** ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥ ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥ In the last paragraph you explained "One maaya gave way / form to three gunas (attributes of maayaa) came into existence; they have been accepted (by the world over God meaning humans have given more preference to maayaa than God). God is the Sole Creator, God is the Sole Provider for all and God is the Sole Evaluator in His Court." Did one maaee (maayaa) gave way to three Gods the Sole Creator, the Sole Provider and the Sole Evaluator in His Court? Please elaborate and oblige. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Quote from Singh2 Jee "Deh siva bar mohe aihe----------We are being told by navjot2 that Guru ji is asking boon from Durga in this shabad." The reverend Guru has used the word Sivaa here, not Durgaa. Quote "No sikh invokes any deity as our belief is in akal purakh as supreme entity." Who taught Sikhs to reject any deity? Did the true Gurus ever ask someone to believe in Akaal Purakh as supreme entity? Quote "Now Durga is wife of Hindu demigod shiva." Has any of the true Gurus ever said this? Quote "Per dasam granth demigod Shiva himself meditates on akal purakh." Did Guru Jee use the word demigod for Shiva? Please do not provide borrowed translations when you want to express your experiences. Thanks for referring the Vaak from Gurdev. Today my understanding of the Vaak is this. ਜੀਯ ਮੋ ਸਿਵ ਧਯਾਨ ਧਰਾ ਜਬ ਹੀ ॥ ਕਲਿ ਕਾਲ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨਿ ਭਏ ਤਬ ਹੀ ॥ जीय मो सिव धयान धरा जब ही ॥ कलि काल प्रसंनि भए तब ही ॥ In Heart Siv meditation is held whenever. Kali, Kaal got pleased right away. Quote "It is ignorance even to imagine that guru ji is asking blessing from someone else other than akal purakh." Many are imagining that Guru Jee is asking blessing only from Akaal Purakh. Have they become enlightened? Better seek the path where Jeev realizes God's blessing. ***** Quote from Khalsa Fauj Jee "We provide translation so people can understand and learn." Do you provide the wisdom of Guroo's word also? Quote "Reason we need to do aarth of Gurbani is because too many people link Gurbani to Hindu myths and devi devtas." Is that the reason and necessity to do aarth of Gurbani? Gurbaanee is to enliven. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! Quote from Kaljug Jee "Your house is in the same place that it was yesterday relative to your position on the planet." Nirguna God is the same. All rest is on a move. Please listen. Guru Arjan Dev Jee is singing. ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਥਿਰ ਥਾਵਰੀ ਹੋਰ ਆਵੈ ਜਾਵੈ ॥ प्रभु मेरा थिर थावरी होर आवै जावै ॥ prabhu meraa thir thaavaree hor aavai jaavai. sggs ang 1097 Listen, your Guru once. The need of all other blab goes forever. ***** Quote from Ragmaala Jee "The blunder is to accumulate so much ego that one fails to understand the respect that Guru has given to his bhagats and real sants." The true Guru, Bhagat or Saint is available to Sikhs. Strange, they seek and follow instructions from others and wonder why they suffer. A true Saint or Mahaapursh has nothing else to transfer than the Guroo's word. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! You wrote "You have your own interpretations. No one necessarily has to agree with you or follow what you think," It may be an embarrassing mistake when someone will agree with Balbir Singh. Please open your mind to experience Truth. The blunder is to agree with preachers and follow their instructions that the reverend Gurus never suggested. ***** Quote from Kaljug Jee "Do an ardas before you begin asking for blessings to complete the 40 days jaap. Jap should be done at the same place at the same time each day." How is it possible? It is never the same time and the same place as earth is moving in sky. What a Kaljug is this? The true Gurus never encouraged rituals. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Khalsa Fauj Jee! This post is just to wake this thread. As long as one exists in Jagat (world), he is a part of it. Kabeer Jee is singing. ਕਬੀਰ ਬਾਮਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਜਗਤ ਕਾ ਭਗਤਨ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ कबीर बामनु गुरू है जगत का भगतन का गुरु नाहि ॥ Kabeer baamanu guroo hai jagat kaa bhagtan kaa guru naahi. SGGS Ang 1377 Can someone please explain? Why Sikhs do not accept the Baaman as Guru? Have Sikhs become Bhagats? Balbir Singh

Kaljug Jee, A True Sikh refers the Gurus, not the writings and views from others. Hopefully these writers are not your Gurus. Quote "Let me know if you need any help with the marketing of your brand." Are you looking for new products to run your business? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! You wrote "Guru Nanak Dev ji instructs us to repeat name of the Lord , lakhs of times, eventually after repeating and repeating it multiplies," Guru Naanak Dev Jee is singing in ecstasy. He is saying One Naam Jagdeesh with awareness. He has never suggested repeating the Hymn that your Baabaas call Mool Mantra for 125,000 times in forty days. Quote "And by the way , why was a mala kept by Guru Arjun Dev ji , if it wasn't meant to show something to Sikhs, ?" God has left that earthy body once called Guru Arjan Dev Jee long back. Strange, some are stuck up with the Maalaa claiming, He used it. Quote "Obviously the mala wasn't for show , it was to be used for counting." Are you sure He was counting Naam and needed help of a Maalaa? Quote "Historically, this is the same mala that was found in Chandu's house." He must be very rich with Naam who possesses this Maalaa now. What is about others who are not having this Maalaa? Balbir Singh

Kaljug Jee, Is it really difficult to accept that you could not find one reference from the reverend Gurus suggesting reading Paath while counting. Many fake Baabaas have made life earnings by suggesting reading Paaths while counting those. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all! The true Guru is singing many Names. The Muktee is possible by singing One of those Names. Ignorant go on rejecting these Names claiming that they are wise. Singh2 Jee, You revere Dasam Granth Sahib Jee. Have you ever thought what when its wisdom showers on you? Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Kaljug Jee! At least try to answer my questions. ***** Cul Jee, You wrote "Someone that did little paat has been inspired to do undertake an intense increase in their bhagti . . ." Reverend Gurus never suggested doing Paath, i.e., reading or reciting their Hymns while counting. After how many sufferings, people will realize that they are following fake preachers. On the names of Gurus these preachers have not sold only their own souls. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Ragmaala Jee! You wrote "We cant be bhagats just by birth, people start from somewhere," Please let the true Naam Jap start any time any where but not with counting in mind. Also, true Jap is not counting a Hymn. Quote "If you have had the company of mahapurakhs they tell their devotees to start with counting, and Guru instructs us to listen to advice of such mahapurakhs." Did any of the reverend Gurus tell their devotees to do Naam Jap with counting? Please provide a reference and oblige if you feel this is right. ***** Kaljug Jee, Suppose someone visits you on a day when sun is shining. He suggests you to believe him that sun is shining. Will you start believing him because you received truth through him? Or it is your experience that plays role? Please do not try to convince me. I am already a confirmed Sikh. ***** Sikhs with Gur are Gursikhs. They do not follow instructions from others which the true Gurus have never suggested. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Kaljug Jee! Quote "You're talking about the goal, I am talking about how to get there." I feel somebody has adopted a way through that he has achieved sufferings. The reverend Gurus sing that on the right path all sufferings vanish. Did the true Gurus ever say that old sufferings sprout when one is doing true Naam Simran? Quote "Some people have to travel a greater distance to meet The Mangowala than others," Sure. But the right direction toward Mangowala should be told first. Quote "yet we all have to undertake the journey, unless one is the Mangowala Himself." I wish you best of luck reaching the Mango garden. Balbir Singh

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal! Dear all and Kaljug Jee! You wrote "There is a friend of the family who was asked to do Mul Mantra chalisa (125,000 Mul Mantra in 40 days) by Giani Thakur Singh when Giani Ji was visiting the UK." The true Gurus say that God as Ananda is not received by counting. Quote " . . . It seems an odd idea to me that more bhagti would somehow equate to more suffering." But all true Bhagats are singing Ananda in total bliss. It seems they have no time for suffering. Balbir Singh