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  1. Was listening to a bibi’s account the other day where she wanted to do simran in the early hours but kept on falling asleep. She said a voice resembling a mahapursh would come beside her and say in the sweetest voice “Na bibi jago, simran karo” Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Piarae
  2. Have you ever been or you just basing this on what you have heard? For anyone reading go with a open mind if you want to learn and progress on the bhagti marg of simran abhiyas. You don't get all the usual chitter chatter you experience with regular gurdwaras. Nore will you get the sangat that just go for Langar. It's a place where people go to try and learn to walk on the path. Yes it's strict and anyone causing a disturbance when sangat are trying to concentrate and meditate will be warned. Personally I think that is a good thing. After attending here and going to a regular gurdwaras you really notice the difference about how disrespectful general sangat are in guru ji's darbar and how little knowledge is shared about improving oneself and walking on the the path.
  3. Funny you mention recordings as they are forbidden at this gurdwara. Anyone caught recording will have their phone/recording device confiscated and told to delete the recordings. I remember when I first started attending I was blown away by all material and gyan. It was so much so that you couldn't even remember it all or you wanted to hear it again when you got home to absorb what you had been taught. So I went and got a professional recording device. At that time I never knew recordings where prohibited. The first week I recorded a divan, the second week someone must have noticed and told a sevadar. The sevadar came and snatched it off me right in the middle of a divan. I got blasted at by Ajit Singh right there from the stage. The sign said turn off your mobile phones, not that recordings weren't not allowed so I was left feeling quite upset. Anyway after the divan I asked the sevadar if I could have my device back. They made me delete everything and told me never to record again. I agreed and respected their wishes. However I was dumbfounded as to the reason because when were recordings ever forbidden in a gurdwara of kirtan and katha? If bhai sahib was teaching how to meet god as per teachings of gurbani why was it such a big secret and recordings forbidden? My intension was not to use his words to defame him or otherwise. At the time various videos of Bhai Seva Singh were coming out that were causing a stir. As I attended more I noticed during simran ladies especially would get quite biraagi or scream. Maybe recordings were forbidden because they didn't want to those aspects getting out. It definately startled newcomers until you became used to it. Anyway I once asked a sevadar why recordings were forbidden and the response I got back was that Bhai Ajit Singh gave his word to Bhai Sewa Singh that he would never make himself famous. If you look at the old photos / videos you will always see Ajit Singh standing on Sewa Singh's right. Must have been a lot of love and respect between them. Therefore there is very limited media available from Ajit Singh in the public domain. It is a sign of utmost humility. Once I recall Bhai Ajit Singh saying to the sangat that he asked Bhai Sewa Singh ji what title were they after they had completed their own personal journey under Sewa Singh's guidance? At the time Sant title was being used a lot. We're they Sants, Sadhus, Bhagat or even Brahmgyani. Bhai Sewa Singh said they were Gurmukh according to gurbani and to think of themselves as Koi. Koi arn mellavey mera pretam pyaraa. These Gurmukhs come show the way to meet god as per gurbani and leave no trace behind of themselves. It's the teaching and name of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that should always remain and not that of an individual. If this is truly why there are very few recordings available then you got to respect him because he has kept his word to his teacher even though other students of Bhai Sewa Singh do not do the same. One could also argue that we are now in a digital age and one should be able to tune in no matter which country or time zone you live in. Also if the teaching is 100% as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji why hide it and restrict it to only those who attend the gurdwara. Isn't it time to truly promote naam simran as per gurbani. Yes and no, if you start promoting before you have made it yourself then your wasting your own precious time because you first need to worry about yourself before you can truly help others. Make it to Waheguru first then worry about promoting the teachings. Anyway Bhai Ajit Singh was my first teacher and I have immense respect for him. If it wasn't for him I don't I would have walked on the path of naam simran. Even though I have now spoken to quite a few Gurmukhs from Bhai Sewa Singh tree Ajit Singh was my first and holds a special place in my heart. It was their sangat lead me to walk on this path of naam simran and his lessons will remain with me for as long as I live. Blessed are those minds who have sangat of these gurmukhs. If your searching and longing to meet Waheguru they will try and show you the way. Rest is down to how much personal effort you put in and how much bhagti you can do to clean this mind. Dhan are the sangat who can step away for their lives and devote months to do bhagti at this gurdwara as PCSJZ stated.
  4. Nice to know that some worthy students do get the more advanced teachings.
  5. It's a very good Gurdwara to attend if you want to learn about simran and bhagti. Very few places like it in the UK where sangat actively come together to learn about bhagti and be inspired to jap the gurmantar. My biggest growth happened when I attended regularly. Divans generally consist of gurbani shabads sung in dharna style kirtan so sangat get to participate with loads of swas giras simran in between at various levels of intensity. Great emphasis is placed on learning about taking the mind of tre-gun maya (tamo gun, rajo gun, sato gun thoughts) with aid of swas-giras simran. Your taught how your to look at everyone as the roop of Waheguru and to rise above the prejudices of caste and creed. Great emphasis is placed on the inward journey and to reach the avasta of anhad bani which is not even discussed/mentioned in general Sikh circles. When Bhai Sewa Singh Tharmala passed away I think all the main original students of his broke away and have started to teach independently under their own respective banners. The core teachings generally remain the same but they don't place much emphasis on going to Moga to devote 4 years to the path. Although I find at GMGG there is very little taught beyond progressing above swas-giras simran. If it is then it is very lightly brushed over and not gone into too much detail. I suspect that is probably taught to those who are dedicated and able to commit to a serious amount of bhagti staying on site for months. That is why after attending sangat there for many years I slowly started drifting and wanted to learn more deeper stuff. In the earlier years when they used to be based in Swindon, divans used to be 3 hours long. Since they moved to Slough Bhai Sahib generally only does 1.5-2 hours if your lucky. He has given first hour to his son to teach in English. I miss those Swindon days and it never really felt the same once they moved to the more larger site. Yes some of the old sangat seem to have disappeared so there are probably some internal issues going on, but I just attended divans and left. Some have gone off under the guidance of Bhai Dharamjit Singh of Gurmat meditation and not sure where the others have gone. There is now a lot of international sangat from Canada attending at the 4 day simran camps. Students of Bhai Dalbir Singh Tharmala have started their own programmes across various gurdwaras around the UK under the banner of PMKC UK. Bhai Ajit Singh stopped using that name once he broke away from the main Moga hub. From an outsider looking in I will say it's sad to see that all Bhai Sewa Singh's student's now teachers themselves don't come together given the opportunity even though some still appear to be friends. Especially since they teach everyone to rise above the vices of the mind, but they still got their own personal issues going on between themselves behind scenes. As for Bhai Anantvir Singh he is a professional kirtania. He did attend a 4 day simran abhiyas camp few years ago where he also did kirtan in the evenings. Anantvir definately walked away with a greater appreciation of naam simran and even his kirtan changed to encompass simran even more. You will also hear Anantvir say during his kirtan focus on the sound of your own voice and not mine during simran. He picked this all up in just 4 days. GMGG do not call or let other kirtanias or katha vachaks occupy the stage at their gurdwara beyond members of the sangat singing shabads. They want to sangat to focus on the core teachings of gurbani and simran abhiyaas and their own personal development. Historical saakhis and other stuff is given less importance on stage. Still don't let that discourage you and I would still recommend the place to anyone. If one is thirsty to progress on the spiritual path then I don't know of a better place in the UK for Sikhs.
  6. I'm editing the original post as I get more references and info... May move this to it's own topic because it's a very important and very difficult to get accurate descriptions of these states and terms. I know different people say different things and use the terms interchangeably. Very few gurmukhs will even divulge much information about these states other than simply say your on the right path so keep going. It is truly esoteric.
  7. I was personally struggling to understand the difference between sunn and sehaj. Wasn't until recently I think I got finally got it. Sunn aka sunn samadhi is when you loose total mental and body awareness. (i.e. like deep sleep) Sehaj is a very relaxed drowsy state where partial awareness and no thoughts. Happens as you come out of Sunn. (ref. https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-56/) SGGS Ang 807 : need pa-ee, sukh sahj ghar aa-i-aa. rahaa-o. Now when I read the above line it all makes sense. You go into Sunn and then when you come out your in a Sehaj state for a certain amount of time. There are also ways of telling if you want into Sunn or just fell asleep. Ref.: https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-4/ Sunn Fall quickly into Samadhi and also when you come out it's like you suddenly awoke fully conscious and alert wondering what just happened. Last you recall is that you were doing simran with full dhyan. Feel fresh and alert when you come out samadhi. Body does not feel tired. No dreams are experienced in this state Sleep One slowly drifts into sleep Can feel tired and lethargic when one awakes from sleep Has dreams One will also go into Sunn Samadhi at all stages of the path. Saas Giras Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) ---> Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) Saas Saas Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) Rom Rom Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) Listening to Sehaj Dhun --->Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) Listening to Naad ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time)
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