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Answer to question that an abhiyasi can hear poan shabads.

Continuation, must listen.

Focusing on belly button during simran to hear anhad bani explained. How focusing on this point also makes the anhad sounds louder. Source: Sikh Meditation youtube channel (just in case link is removed) Speaker: Bhai Ramanpreet Singh (USA)

We are sometimes quick to downplay other groups but listen to this incident when sangat ignored radhasoami leader and how Sant Isher Singh (Rare Wale) said they were one and the same. https://fb.watch/fgbpd9YHC8/

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Probably been mentioned before but useful explanation of swas swas simran. I wasn't aware that stage 3 of swas swas simran involved exhaling slightly forcefully through the nostrils to help balance the pavan. Stage 1. Inhale and mentally say Wahe on exhale verbally say Guruuuu Stage 2. Like stage 1 but Guruu more quieter (madhma) Stage 3. (Internal Antargat) Mouth closed breathing through the nose. Wahe on inhale and Guru on exhale both japped mentally but in this stage your forcing the Guruuu exhale out through the nostrils to help sum the pavan/air flow in both nostrils. Noticed few Gurmukhs (Bhai Dharamjit Singh) are reluctant to reveal or encourage you to try this vidi of this simran alone at home, because it can lead to deeper experiences more quickly. They advise only doing this in the sangat where if one enters a deeper state then they can manage it and your family will not get concerned if you enter a samadhi state and become unresponsive.

Bit more deeper explanation of SatGuru here starting 12:45

I was under the impression vaccines don’t stop you getting covid but reduce your chances of getting severely sick with it. Saying that over Christmas my son caught covid and both my wife and I managed to not catch it as you can’t keep distance from a child. Could be luck or the fact that both my wife and I had our 3rd booster 3 weeks before and our resistance was high at that time.

Already using a pillow , not directly leaning against back of sofa.

I already sit on the sofa and do simran otherwise I’m not comfortable and legs give me pain and take away my concentration. I’ve also noticed the fastest way for me to relax into a sunn state is when I rest my hands on the sofa alongside my legs and not touching any part of my body. Because I use my hands a lot for my job using a computer all day my surti is probably quite concentrated in them. When I let my hands rest away from my body I can focus on my simran and I’m probably gone in 5 - 10 minutes. Worse thing is I can’t even tell I’m going under. I wake up 45 to 60 minutes later thinking I was doing simran, what happened. Feel like setting up a camera to see how long it takes me. I was listening to another gurmukh who said learn to time yourself and see how long it takes for you to go into sunn. Probably take me longer then. Lol

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution. In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again. Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas? Something like this. https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

A couple of suggestions given here. https://youtu.be/376kIU-Z-N8

I'm still stuck on falling asleep during simran, but can relate to what this person states about the throat feeling dry when coming out of the state. Dhyan Me Nind Kyo Aati hai | Why Do We Fall Asleep In Meditation ? Dhyan Me Nind Kyu Aata Hai ? Dhyan Me Nind Se Kaise Bache ?

Brahm Naad kya hai | Naad Kya hai | ANHAD NAAD MEDITATION | Sound of Silence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4BwrmyUcM

Part 2. This week Bhai Sahib explains that if we can keep on listening to poan shabads without falling asleep until naad becomes pargat. Time index 20 mins. https://www.facebook.com/Balbir.gandhran/videos/449524850149795/

Here have a listen to this. What happens when you listen to poan shabads and how high they take you. Listen from 17 mins https://www.facebook.com/Balbir.gandhran/videos/195782402661986/

Heard one of the Kray Twinz Singh lost his life to Covid. Apparently both were in serious shape in hospital. Think one of them did a lot of the sound system seva setup at Guru Maneyo Granth Gurdwara in Slough. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-58988747

That sound your hearing is called sehaj dhun. You can confirm that yourself when you speak one to one with any of the Gurmukhs who teach this path. I personally have so I confirm to you what I have been told. It is the start and as you focus on it you should notice it gets louder and louder. Sometimes it disappears and your left wondering where has it gone? Why has it gone? All you can do is revert back to Gurmantar and start again, trying to still the mind and relaxing in a more sehaj state whilst trying to remain relatively consciousness and aware (not easy). Now doing seva of listening to this sound is not easy either and other sounds may come along the way as you go deeper within and your mind becomes more still. Don't expect miracles just cos you hear this sehaj dhun because like others have said it's only the start. How long we stay at only this stage of sehaj dhun only Waheguru knows. Only thing you can do is keep practicing the Gurmantar jaap and when you hear the sehaj dhun also try focus on it slowly trying to climb to the next rung of the ladder. When the time is right Waheguru ji will progress you to the next stage. Don't get impatient or lose faith mate. Others will come on this topic to discourage you and that's their right to give you an alternative opinion. Your already doubting, lost and confused and I don't blame you. It's not an easy path, believe you me coz I been trying for years. Getting close to a gurmukh who will take you under their guidance is also not easy. Especially if you cannot go have regular sangat in their presence as most live in India. Online sessions help but it still leaves questions in your mind until you have a 1 to 1 with them and clear any doubts. But once you have asked and got your answer like I know you have, you got to take their word for it and then keep practicing. Just to give you some scale to the journey ahead lets say there is more stages to come and we are still on the first step so just be grateful you identified the ladder and slowly trying to climb up. Other are yet to even acknowledge the ladder may exist. Everyone is on their own journey and I hope everyone finds a ladder that works for them. 1. Sehaj dhun 2. Countless shabad ghanayray (so loud you can hear them internally when at a party) 3. Panj shabad 4. Naad (naam) - Sound of an aircraft 5. Internal amrit or amrit verkha from listening to naam. Stage 4. 6. Parkash internally and externally. Anhad is not just restricted to one sound. There are countless to come. The sehaj dhun is like a rope to hold onto to as you try and go deeper within. It’s just starting…. I was listening to one katha last week and the gurmukh said stick with sehaj dhun until you get to stage 4. So if you hear any other sound remain focused the sehaj dhun anyway. Waiting for the naad is the next rung to switch to after sehaj dhun. Let other sounds pass you by. Just hearing the sounds is not enough, you also need to be in the right state of mind and heading inwards toward samadhi and leaving body consciousness and be listening to them at the right place heading upwards. It’s not just I hear a sound balle balle. Lots to learn yet and it won’t be all shared here. don’t get hung up in sehaj dhun, don’t think just hearing one sound means you made it either, because we haven’t. Keep learning about Bhakti marg and how to go deeper using simran and Shabads. You've been given good advice by some in this thread about simran teaching resources. You will be surprised how little you know cos it’s never published online, cos they don’t want the head ache. Those who want to learn will seek out and try and get in touch. Those that listen live in that moment take the knowledge or you miss out. It takes time and effort on your part to want to learn more. Suggest you take the advice if seriously interested in anhad marg. No one here is giving you guarantees of anything , we are all searching, sharing and learning together, no one claims to have made it either. Some have made it further than others though and for that I do bow down in respect of their achievements and kirpa bestowed upon them. It’s credit to them for still coming back here on this very forum and helping and encouraging those of us who are still far behind. Anyway good luck Bro. WaheGuru kirpa karan. Hope you find your way soon…

Liked how they added some of the anhad sounds to the background of this short film. Those that have heard these sounds will know subtly what the producers were hinting at.

Recovered now thanks. Waheguru’s grace.

Which Bhai Sahib?