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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Is Naam The Anahad Naad?   
    Did he say what was naam? 
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Simran with a cat   
    Your attention is divided and focused on the cat rather than the simran so you aren't fully able devote your surti to the primary task. 
    I struggle even if there is background noise. My ears love to run in the direction of external sounds rather than listening to the jaap or within. I find it terribly annoying.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Is My Parakh Going On ?   
    Dear Veer,

    I am sorry to hear about the difficult times you are going through in your life and may Waheguru bless you with good times away from the troubles of day to day life. Like yourself my life is also going through some difficult times and like you I also question, why me? Am I being tested? Even my own mother will ring me up and tell me I'm having an examination from Waheguru and to be honest I don't find those kind of remarks very consoling. Why this parakh/examination? Are they saying the problems we are going through are temporary and waheguru will eventually have pity and wave a magic wand and they will be taken away or are we being tested whether we accept the bad times and remember him. It is only natural when no one else can help you that one turns to the Creator because the only hope left for anyone is him and his prayer. It is easier if one is already doing some kind prayer before hand otherwise people can really drown in all the pain and suffering.

    I was listening to a mahapursh only a few days ago he said something that sparked a light within me when I too was drowning in this life and finding it all too difficult to deal with and cope. The worry, stress and difficulties I was going through were starting to take there toll on my own health and I could see myself going downhill. I will share his teaching with you hoping that it sheds some light in your path in the times of darkness.

    He said when we wake up in the morning we can choose what clothes we want to wear. One item of clothing is Sukh and the other is Dukh. These are not clothes in the literal sense but clothes we choose to put on our mind. We can either let our mind run free and be engulfed in all the day to day troubles, stresses, worries, anxieties hence wearing the kapra of dukh, or we can bring the mind into some control and focus it on the remembrance of Waheguru. Therefore not giving it time to be occupied by negative thoughts which cause us problems. By dedicating more time to this marg your mind will be given less time to be affected by the troubles and with guru's grace they won't seem so bad and you will sail through these trying times. That is the key difference between a Gurmukh and a Manmukh.

    I then took it one step further a did a search for the word "dukh" in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and you will see the same guidance coming through. Below are a few pangti's that emphasize this very approach. I hope it helps you dear brother.

    hukmee utam neech hukam likh dukh sukh paa-ee-ah.
    By His Command, some are high and some are low; by His Written Command, pain and pleasure are obtained.


    gaavee-ai sunee-ai man rakhee-ai bhaa-o.
    Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love.
    dukh parhar sukh ghar lai jaa-ay.
    Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home.

    gurmukh naadaN gurmukh vaydaN gurmukh rahi-aa samaa-ee.
    The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.


    man bairaagee ghar vasai sach bhai raataa ho-ay.
    If the mind becomes balanced and detached, and comes to dwell in its own true home, imbued with the Fear of God,
    gi-aan mahaaras bhogvai baahurh bhookh na ho-ay.
    then it enjoys the essence of supreme spiritual wisdom; it shall never feel hunger again.


    too daree-aa-o daanaa beenaa mai machhulee kaisay ant lahaa.
    You are the River, All-knowing and All-seeing. I am just a fish-how can I find Your limit?
    jah jah daykhaa tah tah too hai tujh tay niksee foot maraa. ||1||
    Wherever I look, You are there. Outside of You, I would burst and die. ||1||
    na jaanaa may-o na jaanaa jaalee.
    I do not know of the fisherman, and I do not know of the net. (Reference here to troubles effecting the mind)
    jaa dukh laagai taa tujhai samaalee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    But when the pain comes, then I call upon You. ||1||Pause||
    too bharpoor jaani-aa mai door.
    You are present everywhere. I had thought that You were far away.


    manmukh mohi vi-aapi-aa bairaag udaasee na ho-ay.
    The self-willed manmukhs are engrossed in emotional attachment; they are not balanced or detached.
    sabad na cheenai sadaa dukh har dargahi pat kho-ay.
    They do not comprehend the Word of the Shabad. They suffer in pain forever, and lose their honor in the Court of the Lord.
    ha-umai gurmukh kho-ee-ai naam ratay sukh ho-ay. ||1||
    The Gurmukhs shed their ego; attuned to the Naam, they find peace.

    gurmukh sadaa sohaaganee pir raakhi-aa ur Dhaar.
    The Gurmukh is the happy and pure soul-bride forever. She keeps her Husband Lord enshrined within her heart.
    mithaa boleh niv chaleh sayjai ravai bhataar.
    Her speech is sweet, and her way of life is humble. She enjoys the Bed of her Husband Lord.
    sobhaavantee sohaaganee jin gur kaa hayt apaar. ||2||
    The happy and pure soul-bride is noble; she has infinite love for the Guru. ||2||
    poorai bhaag satgur milai jaa bhaagai kaa ud-u ho-ay.
    By perfect good fortune, one meets the True Guru, when one's destiny is awakened.
    antrahu dukh bharam katee-ai sukh paraapat ho-ay.
    Suffering and doubt are cut out from within, and peace is obtained.
    gur kai bhaanai jo chalai dukh na paavai ko-ay. ||3||
    One who walks in harmony with the Guru's Will shall not suffer in pain. ||3||
    gur kay bhaanay vich amrit hai sehjay paavai ko-ay.
    The Amrit, the Ambrosial Nectar, is in the Guru's Will. With intuitive ease, it is obtained.
    jinaa paraapat tin pee-aa ha-umai vichahu kho-ay.
    Those who are destined to have it, drink it in; their egotism is eradicated from within.
    naanak gurmukh naam Dhi-aa-ee-ai sach milaavaa ho-ay. ||4||13||46||
    O Nanak, the Gurmukh meditates on the Naam, and is united with the True Lord.


    man mayray kartay no saalaahi.
    O my mind, praise the Creator.
    sabhay chhad si-aanpaa gur kee pairee paahi. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    Give up all your clever tricks, and fall at the Feet of the Guru. ||1||Pause||
    dukh bhukh nah vi-aapa-ee jay sukh-daata man ho-ay.
    Pain and hunger shall not oppress you, if the Giver of Peace comes into your mind.
    kit hee kamm na chhijee-ai jaa hirdai sachaa so-ay.
    No undertaking shall fail, when the True Lord is always in your heart.
    jis tooN rakheh hath day tis maar na sakai ko-ay.
    No one can kill that one unto whom You, Lord, give Your Hand and protect.


    sabh si-aanpaa chhad kai gur kee charnee paahu. ||1||
    Give up all your clever tricks, and grasp the Feet of the Guru. ||1||
    man mayray sukh sahj saytee jap naa-o.
    O my mind, chant the Name with intuitive peace and poise.
    aath pahar parabh Dhi-aa-ay tooN gun go-ind nit gaa-o. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    Twenty-four hours a day, meditate on God. Constantly sing the Glories of the Lord of
    the Universe. ||1||Pause||
    tis kee sarnee par manaa jis jayvad avar na ko-ay.
    Seek His Shelter, O my mind; there is no other as Great as He.
    jis simrat sukh ho-ay ghanaa dukh darad na moolay ho-ay.
    Remembering Him in meditation, a profound peace is obtained. Pain and suffering will not touch you at all.
    sadaa sadaa kar chaakree parabh saahib sachaa so-ay. ||2||
    Forever and ever, work for God; He is our True Lord and Master. ||2||

    tiseh Dhi-aavahu man mayray sarab ko aaDhaar. ||1||
    Meditate on the One, O my mind, who is the Support of all. ||1||
    gur kay charan man meh Dhi-aa-ay.
    Meditate within your mind on the Guru's Feet.
    chhod sagal si-aanpaa saach sabad liv laa-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    Give up all your clever mental tricks, and lovingly attune yourself to the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||
    dukh kalays na bha-o bi-aapai gur mantar hirdai ho-ay.
    Suffering, agony and fear do not cling to one whose heart is filled with the GurMantra.


    aas andaysaa door kar i-o mal jaa-ay samaa-ay. ||4||
    Let your hopes and anxieties depart; thus pollution is washed away. ||4||
    sukh ka-o maagai sabh ko dukh na maagai ko-ay.
    Everyone begs for happiness; no one asks for suffering.
    sukhai ka-o dukh aglaa manmukh boojh na ho-ay.
    But in the wake of happiness, there comes great suffering. The self-willed manmukhs do not understand this.
    sukh dukh sam kar jaanee-ahi sabad bhayd sukh ho-ay. ||5||
    Those who see pain and pleasure as one and the same find peace; they are pierced through by the Shabad. ||5||


    satgur bhai kaa bohithaa nadree paar utaar. ||4||
    The True Guru is the only boat on this terrifying ocean. His Glance of Grace carries us across. ||4||
    ik til pi-aaraa visrai dukh laagai sukh jaa-ay.
    If I forget my Beloved, even for an instant, suffering overtakes me and peace departs.
    jihvaa jala-o jalaavanee naam na japai rasaa-ay.
    Let that tongue be burnt in flames, which does not chant the Naam with love.


    bin sabdai jag dukhee-aa firai manmukhaa no ga-ee khaa-ay.
    Without the Shabad, the world wanders lost in pain. The self-willed manmukh is consumed.
    sabday naam Dhi-aa-ee-ai sabday sach samaa-ay. ||4||
    Through the Shabad, meditate on the Naam; through the Shabad, you shall merge in Truth. ||4||

    man har har japan karay.
    O mind, chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har.
    har gur sarnaa-ee bhaj pa-o jindoo sabh kilvikh dukh parharay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    Hurry to the Sanctuary of the Lord, the Guru, O my soul; all your sins shall be taken away. ||1||Pause||


    har har naam japahu man mayray jit sadaa sukh hovai din raatee.
    Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, O my mind; it will bring you eternal peace, day and night.
    har har naam japahu man mayray jit simrat sabh kilvikh paap lahaatee.
    Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, O my mind; meditating on it, all sins and misdeeds shall be erased.
    har har naam japahu man mayray jit daalad dukh bhukh sabh leh jaatee.
    Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, O my mind; through it, all poverty, pain and hunger shall be removed.
    har har naam japahu man mayray mukh gurmukh pareet lagaatee.
    Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, O my mind; as Gurmukh, declare your love.
    jit mukh bhaag likhi-aa Dhur saachai har tit mukh naam japaatee. ||13||
    One who has such pre-ordained destiny inscribed upon his forehead by the True Lord, chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ||13||

    naam rasaa-in man tariptaa-in gurmukh amrit peevaaN jee-o. ||3||
    The Nectar of the Name satisfies my mind. As Gurmukh, I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||3||
    dukh sukh pi-aaray tuDh Dhi-aa-ee.
    In suffering and in comfort, I meditate on You, O Beloved.


    pooray gur kai sabad aDhaaraa.
    The Shabad of the Perfect Guru is my Support.
    naanak naam milai vadi-aa-ee dukh sukh sam kar jaanni-aa. ||8||10||11||
    O Nanak, one who obtains the Greatness of the Naam, looks upon pain and pleasure as one and the same.


    dukhee-ay nit fireh billaaday bin gur saaNt na paavni-aa. ||6||
    These miserable people wander endlessly, crying out in pain; without the Guru, they find no peace. ||6||
    jin keetay so-ee biDh jaanai.
    The One who created them, knows their condition.
    aap karay taa hukam pachhaanai.
    And if He inspires them, then they realize the Hukam of His Command.


    Nanak naam chardi kala tere bhane sarbat da bhala...
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    Very deep gyan on Dhiyan and Nirankar. 
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Listen and watch the live simran camp broadcasts. Highly recommended. 
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Amrit vela simran. Good for japping along with if you struggle to do it on your own.
     
     
     
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Listen and watch the live simran camp broadcasts. Highly recommended. 
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Amrit vela simran. Good for japping along with if you struggle to do it on your own.
     
     
     
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from harsharan000 in ~ Pancha Ka Ek Guru EK Dhyaan ~ Japji sahib   
    The meaning I have heard is that when the panj shabad become  pargat they eventually resonante so fast that they lead to One sound called Naam, the sound of Ongkar.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from ragnarok in What is the "Void" that author is referring to here ?   
    I agree he is probably referring to the state of Sunn Smaadh. Sant Waryam Singh / Sant Isher Singh ji also refer to similar voids that need to be crossed. I will try and dig out the relevant passages.
    This diagram is my attempt in trying to understand the path as described by Bhai Sewa Singh Ji Tharmala via Gurbani and how the mind has to cross these stages. (It still might be wrong but it what I understand at the present time). From the stages of Sunn "Naam/Shabad" pulls you out carries you across.

    Mind is stuck in thoughts of TreGun Maya (Rajo Gun, Tamo Gun and Sato Gun) Tregun/Thoughts/1st Bhavsagar is crossed with the aid of the Gur-shabad/Gur-mantar When trying to exit the Tregun maya one will have to cross the 5 elements (Air, Water, Fire, Earth, Space). 5th, Space is also known as the beginning of Sunn. One eventually enters Nij Sunn where one has to wait. Eventually a loud Shabad/Blast manifests. If one can latch onto this blast with their surti then they are carried across into Anhad Sunn (realm of panj shabad). The Sunn stage is a difficult to cross as one call fall back into dreams or hallucinations (2nd BhavSagar). From Anhad Sunn the sounds eventually merge to form a single tone called Naam/Naad. With pure clean surti/consciousness attached to this Naam/Naad one eventually merges with Waheguru  
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in Difference Between Swas Swas And Sas Giras   
    This is how I understand the steps as explained by Bhai Sahib. Taken from some of his books.

    Dhyaan

    We have been told that dhyaan is a power. Dhyaan starts when our mind separates form the body and focuses on the subtle body (soul). Further spiritual progress can only be made through dhyaan. Naam can control the mind and then dhyaan can be controlled to any limit by our own will. This stage can only be achieved in the stage of awareness (jaagat). We meditate using the gurmantra to separate from our body (also known as separating from the air/pavan/poan) and then by focusing on Naam. Finally, we have to focus on God and unite with him. Dhyaan can only be controlled if we are thoughtless. We have to focus at one point to have control of our dhyaan.

    if we want to unite with God then we should practice step by step to progress. First we have to leave thoughts (Maya), then we must get to Sunn, then we reach Naam or Anhad Bani, and finally we reach Naad (word of God). Naad helps us cross the bhavsagar and takes us to God. It means that to have union with God, we have to cross many stages.

    Stages:
    1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts. Focus on sound of Gurmantar. Term Swas Giras means simran with every breath and covers Bakahri/Vocal, Madhma/Whisper, Pasanti/Mental forms of Simran jaap.
    1a) Swas Giras Simran - Simran with each and every breath.
    1b) Swas Swas Simran - Whisper synchronised with breath all the way down to mental simran with breath but focused on sound not breath.
    1c) Rom Rom Simran - Mental simran faster than the breath so you separate from breath and latch onto mantar , i.e. synchronized with pulse
    1d) You have to cross the 5 elements, Air, Water, Fire, Earth and reach Ether/Akash.
    2) Enter the Sunn (like going to sleep to rest)
    3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Awoken by a loud blast)
    4) The divine words appear in Sunn.
    5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears to which you listen
    6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn or Anhad Sun).
    7) Naad/Toor (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean).
    8) The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.

    The way of spirituality based on Naam is different from this city of illusion. We need to leave these colours behind both in the material and subtle forms. Initially when starting meditation, do not focus on the trehkuti. When we stop our thoughts we should go to Sunn to begin the path. In Gurbani, we have been told about the indications of Tenth Door.

    Those who close off the nine gates, and restrain the wandering mind,
    na-o dar thaakay Dhaavat rahaa-ay.

    come to dwell in the Home of the Tenth Gate.
    dasvai nij ghar vaasaa paa-ay.

    There, the Unstruck Melody of the Shabad vibrates day and night. Through the Guru`s Teachings, the Shabad is heard.
    othai anhad sabad vajeh din raatee gurmatee sabad sunaavni-aa.
    SGGS 124

    Gurbani explains that at the tenth door are the divine words or the divine music (anhad Shabads or anhad bani). There is no color, pictures or forms there. Gurbani has changed our path from Maya (illusion) to Naam. For example, a child can be distracted all day with colorful toys and different games and it will forget to eat its food. Similarly, the mind watches the colorful acts of Maya and forgets about its food. The mind that is stuck in these illusions does not want to leave Maya and reluctantly falls asleep. People may believe the mind of such a person has gone to Smaadhi and they presume they have attained a high spiritual stage. But Guru teaches us that this is the last stage of Kaal and it has to be crossed by Naam. After crossing this stage we can enter the Tenth Door and then true enlightenment begins. That light will be the light of our soul, which has been explained to us in Gurbani as:

    Within the Gurmukh is intuitive peace and poise (Sehaj); his mind ascends to the Tenth Sky of the Akaashic Ethers.
    gurmukh antar sahj hai man charhi-aa dasvai aakaas.

    No one is sleepy or hungry there; they dwell in they dwell in the peace of the Naam (word of God).
    tithai oongh na bhukh hai, har amrit naam sukh vaas.

    O Nanak, pain and pleasure do not afflict anyone, where the Light of the Supreme Soul, illuminates.
    naanak dukh sukh vi-aapat nahee jithai aatam raam pargaas.
    SGGS 1414

    The house of our mind starts from the Tenth Sky (tenth door). The Tenth Sky is present all around our body. So the tenth door is not far and it is formless. Our body with nine doors is also present in the same area. After leaving the body (nine doors), our mind will enter the Tenth Door. It means we reside in God and He is inside us. Gurbani tells us:

    The body is contained in the Lord, and the Lord is contained in the body. He is permeating within all.
    har meh tan hai, tan meh har hai, sarab nirantar so-ay ray.
    SGGS 870

    Other names for the tenth door have been given such as Nij Mahal, the fourth stage, Turi avastha, Unn Munn or the castle of our mind. By achieving that state, we will get enlightened. It depends on us how quickly we want to achieve that stage (by practical meditation). Once we enter the tenth sky, the divine light will appear. All of this practical work is done through dhyaan. Through dhyaan, the master (God) keeps an eye on us (world) and by the same way we can see God. Without spiritual knowledge we look towards this material world (ardh i.e looking down and in front of us), but by attaining the Guru’s knowledge we start to focus on Urdh (looking up – towards Sookh mahal, God).

    The vision discussed is not about the physical eyes. Even a blind person can attain union with God. If the blind persons can meditate by dhyaan on Naam they will unite with God and have blessed darshan of God. If we don’t use the Jot (vision) of the mind, we are called spiritually blind, even though we have physical eyes.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from seattlesingh in (Found!!) Old mysimran.info lectures taken down from YouTube.   
    MySimran.info few years ago had loads of akath katha videos on their YouTube channel. For some unbeknown reason they took them all down. 
    Sajjan_Thug found a few on the vimeo site and posted a link here. 
    Within 1 month they have taken these down also. They must have seen the post. 
    What I can't figure out is if someone claims to speak the Truth why start hiding knowledge away. 
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    Sat1176 reacted to tva prasad in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Just had an amazing experience. I was just laying down and heard my pulse but also found myself chanting "vahe-guru" with each heart beat. I tried to see if I was making up things so I tried to stop it but it didn't stop. It just kept going. My body was completely still like one in deep sleep to the point I thought I wasn't even in my body anymore. 
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/23121/what-is-the-pulsating-sensation-during-meditation
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    Have you been pulling the stomach/navel in when doing japna or forceful fast jap of gurmantar?
    I have heard a throbing/pulsating navel can lead to a lot Brahm agan being generated which is not good. Take it easy if your doing the above.
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in (Found!!) Old mysimran.info lectures taken down from YouTube.   
    Commercialise is something those Gurmukhs definately do not do. 
    I presume there is a deeper reason why gyan is no longer openly available. 
    I know some other closely linked Gurmukhs frown upon personal publicity. They believe that the only praise should be of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and not the individual giving the explaination or guidance. 
    They work on the principle of 
    Koi Aan Milave Mera Pritam Pyara. 
    They emphasis on the word "koi". The person came showed the way, gave guidance and attached you to shabad guru (naam) & nirankar and left. No personal trace or link left behind. If you were lucky enough to be there at that time you got the gyan otherwise not. 
    Most likely the Gurmukhs of MySimran.info have adopted the same mindset.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in (Found!!) Old mysimran.info lectures taken down from YouTube.   
    MySimran.info few years ago had loads of akath katha videos on their YouTube channel. For some unbeknown reason they took them all down. 
    Sajjan_Thug found a few on the vimeo site and posted a link here. 
    Within 1 month they have taken these down also. They must have seen the post. 
    What I can't figure out is if someone claims to speak the Truth why start hiding knowledge away. 
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    How to seperate mind from breath. 
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    He seems to stress though that you should always walk on this dhyan path under guidance. I would therefore recommend that anyone wanting to walk on this path and following along the videos make contact with him and take 1-on-1 advice. Tell him what you hear and then take it from there.
    In the little contact I have had with him I have found him to be very helpful and approachable. He gave me some pointers and told me to feel free to come back to him whenever I required. There is nothing like having 1-on-1 guidance at your disposal should the need be required. You can then tell him as you progress and he can tell you directly what the next steps are and if your heading in the right direction.
     
     
     
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    Listen to what you hear. I think it depends on how deep you are within plays and important part in what sound you hear.
    Keep gurmatar going softly in the background whist keeping dhyan on the sound you hear.
    Some people stick with gurmantar and take themselves very deep before they switch to more distinguishable sounds.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Soulfinder in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    I thought it was as follows:
    1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
    2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
    3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
    4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
    5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
    6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
    7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
     The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   
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    Sat1176 reacted to DeNiro in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    The above 2 post by Lucky and Sat veerji help with some contrast. It is really difficult to explain since characteristics change as you climb.  Maybe easier to imagine the naad or divine word (mentioned),  as a baseline sound. After all, it is the sound that exists everywhere and from which all creation was created. The anhad bani, akath katha, sehaj dhun, toor etc.. all come from this origin. 
    1) The journey starts when you first begin to hear it faintly. (ring/hum coming from naad)
    2) Encounter other sounds as you progress and these are first heard whilst in maya.
    3) After going through various maya sounds which I see have been referred to as pavan shabads on previous posts, the person eventually gets into deeper void(sunn).    (maya sounds is my way of describing sounds where seeker is still in maya and not in 4th chautha padh)
    4) In chautha pad(outside maya), more experiences occur like 5 shabads again, anhad bani, akath katha.... until eventually you get into the true baseline naad again.  This time it's different since you are hearing outside if tres-gun maya.  You could say it's the true naad and some gurmukhs actually only refer to this sound as the naad. Hence, the confusion.     Nevertheless, it's still coming from same source and is still that baseline. Difference is whether you hear it in tres-gun or outside of tres-gun.  
     
    This is my understanding. Bhul chuk marf if it's contrary to what other gurmukhs or bhai saab may explain.
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from DeNiro in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    I thought it was as follows:
    1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
    2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
    3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
    4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
    5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
    6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
    7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
     The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from Jageera in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    I thought it was as follows:
    1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
    2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
    3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
    4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
    5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
    6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
    7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
     The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   
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    Sat1176 got a reaction from ragnarok in The Ringing Sound (Anhad Shabad; Sound Current)   
    I thought it was as follows:
    1) Swaas Graas simran by chanting Gurmantra to stop the thoughts.
    2) Enter the Sunn (going to sleep to rest)
    3) Stay awake by dhyaan when free of thoughts. (Now try and stay awake without falling completely asleep but still in that thoughtless stage)
    4) The divine words appear in Sunn. (This is called Sehaj Dhun. The fine high pitched sound)
    5) Anhad Bani (the divine music) appears. (Countless other sounds are heard here including the 5 anhad sounds), aka shabad ghanaray)
    6) The mind enters the Sunn (third Sunn).
    7) Naad (word of God) appears which will help us cross the Bhavsagar (the dangerous ocean). (This is when one hears the single loud sound of toor/naad/combination of the 5 sounds/ek shabad) This is the jahaj that carries the mind across.
     The mind unites with God in Sehaj Ghar.   
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