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It's a very good Gurdwara to attend if you want to learn about simran and bhagti. Very few places like it in the UK where sangat actively come together to learn about bhagti and be inspired to jap the gurmantar.  My biggest growth happened when I attended regularly. Divans generally consist of gurbani shabads sung in dharna style kirtan so sangat get to participate with loads of swas giras simran in between at various levels of intensity. Great emphasis is placed on learning about taking the mind of tre-gun maya (tamo gun, rajo gun, sato gun thoughts) with aid of swas-giras simran. Your taught how your to look at everyone as the roop of Waheguru and to rise above the prejudices of caste and creed. Great emphasis is placed on the inward journey and to reach the avasta of anhad bani which is not even discussed/mentioned in general Sikh circles.
When Bhai Sewa Singh Tharmala passed away I think all the main original students of his broke away and have started to teach independently under their own respective banners. The core teachings generally remain the same but they don't place much emphasis on going to Moga to devote 4 years to the path. Although I find at GMGG there is very little taught beyond progressing above swas-giras simran. If it is then it is very lightly brushed over and not gone into too much detail. I suspect that is probably taught to those who are dedicated and able to commit to a serious amount of bhagti staying on site for months. That is why after attending sangat there for many years I slowly started drifting and wanted to learn more deeper stuff. In the earlier years when they used to be based in Swindon, divans used to be 3 hours long. Since they moved to Slough Bhai Sahib generally only does 1.5-2 hours if your lucky. He has given first hour to his son to teach in English. I miss those Swindon days and it never really felt the same once they moved to the more larger site. Yes some of the old sangat seem to have disappeared so there are probably some internal issues going on, but I just attended divans and left. Some have gone off under the guidance of Bhai Dharamjit Singh of Gurmat meditation and not sure where the others have gone. There is now a lot of international sangat from Canada attending at the 4 day simran camps.
Students of Bhai Dalbir Singh Tharmala have started their own programmes across various gurdwaras around the UK under the banner of PMKC UK. Bhai Ajit Singh stopped using that name once he broke away from the main Moga hub.
From an outsider looking in I will say it's sad to see that all Bhai Sewa Singh's student's now teachers themselves don't come together given the opportunity even though some still appear to be friends. Especially since they teach everyone to rise above the vices of the mind, but they still got their own personal issues going on between themselves behind scenes. 
As for Bhai Anantvir Singh he is a professional kirtania. He did attend a 4 day simran abhiyas camp few years ago where he also did kirtan in the evenings. Anantvir definately walked away with a greater appreciation of naam simran and even his kirtan changed to encompass simran even more. You will also hear Anantvir say during his kirtan focus on the sound of your own voice and not mine during simran. He picked this all up in just 4 days. GMGG do not call or let other kirtanias or katha vachaks occupy the stage at their gurdwara beyond members of the sangat singing shabads. They want to sangat to focus on the core teachings of gurbani and simran abhiyaas and their own personal development. Historical saakhis and other stuff is given less importance on stage.
Still don't let that discourage you and I would still recommend the place to anyone. If one is thirsty to progress on the spiritual path then I don't know of a better place in the UK for Sikhs.

It's a very good Gurdwara to attend if you want to learn about simran and bhagti. Very few places like it in the UK where sangat actively come together to learn about bhagti and be inspired to jap the gurmantar.  My biggest growth happened when I attended regularly. Divans generally consist of gurbani shabads sung in dharna style kirtan so sangat get to participate with loads of swas giras simran in between at various levels of intensity. Great emphasis is placed on learning about taking the mind of tre-gun maya (tamo gun, rajo gun, sato gun thoughts) with aid of swas-giras simran. Your taught how your to look at everyone as the roop of Waheguru and to rise above the prejudices of caste and creed. Great emphasis is placed on the inward journey and to reach the avasta of anhad bani which is not even discussed/mentioned in general Sikh circles.
When Bhai Sewa Singh Tharmala passed away I think all the main original students of his broke away and have started to teach independently under their own respective banners. The core teachings generally remain the same but they don't place much emphasis on going to Moga to devote 4 years to the path. Although I find at GMGG there is very little taught beyond progressing above swas-giras simran. If it is then it is very lightly brushed over and not gone into too much detail. I suspect that is probably taught to those who are dedicated and able to commit to a serious amount of bhagti staying on site for months. That is why after attending sangat there for many years I slowly started drifting and wanted to learn more deeper stuff. In the earlier years when they used to be based in Swindon, divans used to be 3 hours long. Since they moved to Slough Bhai Sahib generally only does 1.5-2 hours if your lucky. He has given first hour to his son to teach in English. I miss those Swindon days and it never really felt the same once they moved to the more larger site. Yes some of the old sangat seem to have disappeared so there are probably some internal issues going on, but I just attended divans and left. Some have gone off under the guidance of Bhai Dharamjit Singh of Gurmat meditation and not sure where the others have gone. There is now a lot of international sangat from Canada attending at the 4 day simran camps.
Students of Bhai Dalbir Singh Tharmala have started their own programmes across various gurdwaras around the UK under the banner of PMKC UK. Bhai Ajit Singh stopped using that name once he broke away from the main Moga hub.
From an outsider looking in I will say it's sad to see that all Bhai Sewa Singh's student's now teachers themselves don't come together given the opportunity even though some still appear to be friends. Especially since they teach everyone to rise above the vices of the mind, but they still got their own personal issues going on between themselves behind scenes. 
As for Bhai Anantvir Singh he is a professional kirtania. He did attend a 4 day simran abhiyas camp few years ago where he also did kirtan in the evenings. Anantvir definately walked away with a greater appreciation of naam simran and even his kirtan changed to encompass simran even more. You will also hear Anantvir say during his kirtan focus on the sound of your own voice and not mine during simran. He picked this all up in just 4 days. GMGG do not call or let other kirtanias or katha vachaks occupy the stage at their gurdwara beyond members of the sangat singing shabads. They want to sangat to focus on the core teachings of gurbani and simran abhiyaas and their own personal development. Historical saakhis and other stuff is given less importance on stage.
Still don't let that discourage you and I would still recommend the place to anyone. If one is thirsty to progress on the spiritual path then I don't know of a better place in the UK for Sikhs.

It's a very good Gurdwara to attend if you want to learn about simran and bhagti. Very few places like it in the UK where sangat actively come together to learn about bhagti and be inspired to jap the gurmantar.  My biggest growth happened when I attended regularly. Divans generally consist of gurbani shabads sung in dharna style kirtan so sangat get to participate with loads of swas giras simran in between at various levels of intensity. Great emphasis is placed on learning about taking the mind of tre-gun maya (tamo gun, rajo gun, sato gun thoughts) with aid of swas-giras simran. Your taught how your to look at everyone as the roop of Waheguru and to rise above the prejudices of caste and creed. Great emphasis is placed on the inward journey and to reach the avasta of anhad bani which is not even discussed/mentioned in general Sikh circles.
When Bhai Sewa Singh Tharmala passed away I think all the main original students of his broke away and have started to teach independently under their own respective banners. The core teachings generally remain the same but they don't place much emphasis on going to Moga to devote 4 years to the path. Although I find at GMGG there is very little taught beyond progressing above swas-giras simran. If it is then it is very lightly brushed over and not gone into too much detail. I suspect that is probably taught to those who are dedicated and able to commit to a serious amount of bhagti staying on site for months. That is why after attending sangat there for many years I slowly started drifting and wanted to learn more deeper stuff. In the earlier years when they used to be based in Swindon, divans used to be 3 hours long. Since they moved to Slough Bhai Sahib generally only does 1.5-2 hours if your lucky. He has given first hour to his son to teach in English. I miss those Swindon days and it never really felt the same once they moved to the more larger site. Yes some of the old sangat seem to have disappeared so there are probably some internal issues going on, but I just attended divans and left. Some have gone off under the guidance of Bhai Dharamjit Singh of Gurmat meditation and not sure where the others have gone. There is now a lot of international sangat from Canada attending at the 4 day simran camps.
Students of Bhai Dalbir Singh Tharmala have started their own programmes across various gurdwaras around the UK under the banner of PMKC UK. Bhai Ajit Singh stopped using that name once he broke away from the main Moga hub.
From an outsider looking in I will say it's sad to see that all Bhai Sewa Singh's student's now teachers themselves don't come together given the opportunity even though some still appear to be friends. Especially since they teach everyone to rise above the vices of the mind, but they still got their own personal issues going on between themselves behind scenes. 
As for Bhai Anantvir Singh he is a professional kirtania. He did attend a 4 day simran abhiyas camp few years ago where he also did kirtan in the evenings. Anantvir definately walked away with a greater appreciation of naam simran and even his kirtan changed to encompass simran even more. You will also hear Anantvir say during his kirtan focus on the sound of your own voice and not mine during simran. He picked this all up in just 4 days. GMGG do not call or let other kirtanias or katha vachaks occupy the stage at their gurdwara beyond members of the sangat singing shabads. They want to sangat to focus on the core teachings of gurbani and simran abhiyaas and their own personal development. Historical saakhis and other stuff is given less importance on stage.
Still don't let that discourage you and I would still recommend the place to anyone. If one is thirsty to progress on the spiritual path then I don't know of a better place in the UK for Sikhs.

I was personally struggling to understand the difference between sunn and sehaj. Wasn't until recently I think I got finally got it. 
Sunn aka sunn samadhi is when you loose total mental and body awareness. (i.e. like deep sleep) 
Sehaj is a very relaxed drowsy state where partial awareness and no thoughts.  Happens as you come out of Sunn. (ref. https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-56/)
SGGS Ang 807 : need pa-ee, sukh sahj ghar aa-i-aa. rahaa-o.
Now when I read the above line it all makes sense. You go into Sunn and then when you come out your in a Sehaj state for a certain amount of time. 
 
There are also ways of telling if you want into Sunn or just fell asleep.
Ref.: https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-4/
Sunn
Fall quickly into Samadhi and also when you come out it's like you suddenly awoke fully conscious and alert wondering what just happened. Last you recall is that you were doing simran with full dhyan. Feel fresh and alert when you come out samadhi. Body does not feel tired. No dreams are experienced in this state Sleep
One slowly drifts into sleep Can feel tired and lethargic when one awakes from sleep Has dreams   
One will also go into Sunn Samadhi at all stages of the path.
Saas Giras Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness)  ---> Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Saas Saas Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Rom Rom Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Sehaj Dhun --->Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Naad ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
 
 

I'm editing the original post as I get more references and info... 😉 May move this to it's own topic because it's a very important and very difficult to get accurate descriptions of these states and terms. I know different people say different things and use the terms interchangeably. Very few gurmukhs will even divulge much information about these states other than simply say your on the right path so keep going. It is truly esoteric.
 
 

I was personally struggling to understand the difference between sunn and sehaj. Wasn't until recently I think I got finally got it. 
Sunn aka sunn samadhi is when you loose total mental and body awareness. (i.e. like deep sleep) 
Sehaj is a very relaxed drowsy state where partial awareness and no thoughts.  Happens as you come out of Sunn. (ref. https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-56/)
SGGS Ang 807 : need pa-ee, sukh sahj ghar aa-i-aa. rahaa-o.
Now when I read the above line it all makes sense. You go into Sunn and then when you come out your in a Sehaj state for a certain amount of time. 
 
There are also ways of telling if you want into Sunn or just fell asleep.
Ref.: https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-4/
Sunn
Fall quickly into Samadhi and also when you come out it's like you suddenly awoke fully conscious and alert wondering what just happened. Last you recall is that you were doing simran with full dhyan. Feel fresh and alert when you come out samadhi. Body does not feel tired. No dreams are experienced in this state Sleep
One slowly drifts into sleep Can feel tired and lethargic when one awakes from sleep Has dreams   
One will also go into Sunn Samadhi at all stages of the path.
Saas Giras Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness)  ---> Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Saas Saas Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Rom Rom Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Sehaj Dhun --->Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Naad ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
 
 

I already sit on the sofa and do simran otherwise I’m not comfortable and legs give me pain and take away my concentration. I’ve also noticed the fastest way for me to relax into a sunn  state is when I rest my hands on the sofa alongside my legs and not touching any part of my body. Because I use my hands a lot for my job using a computer all day my surti is probably quite concentrated in them. When I let my hands rest away from my body I can focus on my simran and I’m probably gone in 5 - 10 minutes. Worse thing is I can’t even tell I’m going under. I wake up 45 to 60 minutes later thinking I was doing simran, what happened. Feel like setting up a camera to see how long it takes me. I was listening to another gurmukh who said learn to time yourself and see how long it takes for you to go into sunn. Probably take me longer then. Lol

I've heard the pangti being used in this context but can't find it.
Dhan chotay mun kaha summyee...

Lol, oh my that is an oooold post. No ji I live in Barking, East London.
What you mean people like me?

If everyone would have thought in this manner there would have been No Gurbani, No Kabeer ji di, Fareed ji di or any other Bhagat bani for that matter. 
Why can't you be happy if you are getting to read few very  very nice things which have been missing on this forum since years now.. 
These kind of posts has disheartened Lucky veer ji, sat veer ji and others away from this forum. 
Please i request you and others agreeing to this post
- Shut UP -
pls let me and other hungry souls get some food for spirituality before I die of dryness in this pond till I don't find the DariyaaO / GurSagar myself. I am sure I will... He loves me- he shows it every time every day I am the blind one stuck up in the dirty mud of maya.. But he is kind, he will pull me just like he pulled out my bro @HisServant. It was such an amazing experience. I felt so relatable, though  I am only at a very lower step than you.  Many Congratulations to you in achieving such success at this age, keep going this is a never ending journey.... your words were really motivating, I felt if you can why can't I, after all m his loving daughter He loves me too. He will surely take me alonger too
Thankyou Heartily my brother @HisServant pls keep me updated and motivated, if you feel just 1% what these kind of posts say  pls send me a personal  message. I will be most thankful.. 
Lots of Love ❤ and asees veere

I was personally struggling to understand the difference between sunn and sehaj. Wasn't until recently I think I got finally got it. 
Sunn aka sunn samadhi is when you loose total mental and body awareness. (i.e. like deep sleep) 
Sehaj is a very relaxed drowsy state where partial awareness and no thoughts.  Happens as you come out of Sunn. (ref. https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-56/)
SGGS Ang 807 : need pa-ee, sukh sahj ghar aa-i-aa. rahaa-o.
Now when I read the above line it all makes sense. You go into Sunn and then when you come out your in a Sehaj state for a certain amount of time. 
 
There are also ways of telling if you want into Sunn or just fell asleep.
Ref.: https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-4/
Sunn
Fall quickly into Samadhi and also when you come out it's like you suddenly awoke fully conscious and alert wondering what just happened. Last you recall is that you were doing simran with full dhyan. Feel fresh and alert when you come out samadhi. Body does not feel tired. No dreams are experienced in this state Sleep
One slowly drifts into sleep Can feel tired and lethargic when one awakes from sleep Has dreams   
One will also go into Sunn Samadhi at all stages of the path.
Saas Giras Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness)  ---> Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Saas Saas Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Rom Rom Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Sehaj Dhun --->Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Naad ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
 
 

I was personally struggling to understand the difference between sunn and sehaj. Wasn't until recently I think I got finally got it. 
Sunn aka sunn samadhi is when you loose total mental and body awareness. (i.e. like deep sleep) 
Sehaj is a very relaxed drowsy state where partial awareness and no thoughts.  Happens as you come out of Sunn. (ref. https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-56/)
SGGS Ang 807 : need pa-ee, sukh sahj ghar aa-i-aa. rahaa-o.
Now when I read the above line it all makes sense. You go into Sunn and then when you come out your in a Sehaj state for a certain amount of time. 
 
There are also ways of telling if you want into Sunn or just fell asleep.
Ref.: https://akathkatha.in/station/simran-gyan-4/
Sunn
Fall quickly into Samadhi and also when you come out it's like you suddenly awoke fully conscious and alert wondering what just happened. Last you recall is that you were doing simran with full dhyan. Feel fresh and alert when you come out samadhi. Body does not feel tired. No dreams are experienced in this state Sleep
One slowly drifts into sleep Can feel tired and lethargic when one awakes from sleep Has dreams   
One will also go into Sunn Samadhi at all stages of the path.
Saas Giras Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness)  ---> Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Saas Saas Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Rom Rom Simran ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Sehaj Dhun --->Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
Listening to Naad ----> Sunn (no consciousness) --->Sehaj (regain consciousness but have no thoughts at this time) 
 
 

Very good Simran Akath Katha. 🙏
 

Very good Simran Akath Katha. 🙏
 

It has been a very long time since I have been on this site so I hope everyone's doing well. I had another big experience recently that I needed to share. 
But before I do that I need to be honest - I vow to always be as transparent as possible - I am never going to pretend as if bhagti has always been perfect or pretend that things are going well right now. I have been off track for a while now. That is somewhat why I am not as active anymore. Also because I have been extremely busy. But my bhagti is not as good as it used to be. 
I still hear shabad 24/7. I still see parkash. But I do not actively keep myself focused and because of the lack of focus I feel stress. My emotions are stable for the most part. No extreme bursts of happiness or negative emotions. But sometimes extremes come. But stress is a big issue I deal with these days - I work more than double full time on my business and I am also taking 7 courses at a time (5 is a full course load)  while managing a lot of other stuff. It's a lot - a lot of people tell me it's not humanly possible but somehow I do this and manage straight A+'s. But nonetheless - I live a very busy and high stress life now. And bhagti is low but the base you guys helped me develop has helped me manage everything I have to deal with. 

ok now as per what the experience was:
- I was going through a few days where there was A LOT of pressure on me. I was about to hit rock bottom. Felt very anxious and thought I was going to get crushed. 
- For the first time in a long time I started intensely focusing on parkash. I fell asleep while focusing. 
- I went into a dream phase. When my bhgati was good I would never have dreams. But I have them on a normal basis now. I started having dreams when I fell asleep that day. 
- The dream was very bad. The dream had everything bad/negative/stressing me out. My biggest problem/stressor was the main focal point of the dream. 
- Long story short - I found a solution and my first thought was "all of this is in my control”. 
- For the first time in my life I began lucid dreaming. At that point I was able to disconnect my non physical self from the physical. I don't know how to explain it. Or if I'm using the right terms.
- After this point it becomes very difficult to explain what happened. But I essentially was moving at an extremely fast pace. Not my physical body but the mind/non physical body or whatever you call it. Don't quote me on this. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just trying to use analogies to explain what it was like - but it felt like how souls might travel at death. Maybe I'm wrong. but that's how I would imagine it. 
- I began a very intense focus in a very infinite place. I was unaware of my physical body. Nothing but parkash and shabad were there. It was an empty void. 
- There was absolutely no concept of time, space, physicality. It was nothing. 
- Whatever I could feel was vibrating. This vibration was so strong it was like an intense shredder destroying anything that existed of me. Like being sucked into a blackhole and disintegrating. The sounds were so loud. Like an entire nuclear explosion. 
- It was very short lived - I started having thoughts and within a few minutes (maybe seconds - time was not there). It ended. 
But - just like that one experience I had years and years ago - the bottomless pit of energy was there. I still do not know how to describe it. I want to try and understand what this is. But I know seeking answers will not be easy on that. I keep wondering "was that 'god'?". The first time that experience happened it completely changed my life. And having it a second time (even though it was not as intense) was still a lot. Like the opposite effect of trauma. 
When I woke up - my physical body and mind felt a level of relaxation I have not felt in a long time. I was fully stress free. I was so chilled out. I previously had a headache that was not going away. Even that was gone. 
--> What assured me of the validity was the fact that the lucid dreaming phase was in my control. Even the transmigration phase felt like a choice. It definitely was not a dream from that point on - I was neither awake or asleep. Remaining focused while the sound/vibrations also felt like a choice. The only thing that wasn't a choice was the sound/vibrations happening.  Those were coming from somewhere. Everything was merging into one. 
 
I want to get myself back into the level of practice I used to have. I am an adult now. I am in school and also working full time with so many other responsibilities. I know that is not an excuse but I fully understand why it is hard for a lot of people. My teenage years were good. I am happy a base/level of knowledge was developed during that time. And this random big experience was a bit of a wake up call. It's like waheguru literally dragging me by my feet and forcing me back into bhagti. that's what it literally felt like. like being picked up and thrown into this bottomless pit. whatever it is. I still haven't fully understood what that is. 
I hope I can get my practice back to where it used to be. I am making small changes. but I know it will take time. 
In the meantime just know I appreciate all of you guys a lot. Everyone who has given me tips and advice over the years. Everyone who has guided me. Given me feedback and even challenged my experiences for validity. It is always a challenge trying to figure out what experience is valid through "gurmat" vs the games/tricks the mind plays.  
So much love and respect to all of you. 
 

Maybe I have misread your question so apologies if I get this wrong. You say you have been focussing on anhad naad for more than 2 years but then say when will you hear it? Do you currently hear it or not?
From my own experience, I’ve been guilty of getting caught up in this same issue myself. Thinking why am I not getting X, Y or Z. This without fully appreciating what I do have. 

I would look at it like exercise. You maybe looking to lose weight so run every day and keep a good diet. You look at yourself in the mirror everyday but see no change, thats because you live with your body. However if you took a photo at day 1 and day 60, you would definitely see the change. Its the same when you’re on this path. We may not necessarily see or feel progress but we have no idea how much mel (dirt) is being washed and cleaned off our mind.
The best thing I can say is carry on putting the effort in, its the only thing you can control. Leave the rest upto Waheguru. He will give you what you deserve at the right time. Hes inside us all watching and listening 24/7. He wont get it wrong.
You will go mad if you keep thinking I havent got this or that. Ive been there myself and still occasionally slip up. Do sangat, listen to katha and keep at it. This is a game you play until your last breath so we’re in it for the long haul.
All the best.

In East London the local gurdwaras just don't bother bringing in any mainstream parcharaks. The same raagi does kirtan daily for months on end. In that way i'm envious of the midlands sangat. Seems to be all happening up there. I have only noticed that one gurdwara recently after the introduction of younger members into the gurdwara committee have started bringing in the good parcharaks. Things were beginning to get very stale.

On a personal note I feel that most raagis and sants who visit focus more on saakhi's rather than focusing on the deeper aspects of Sikhi and improving ones own jeevan/bhagti/spirituality etc in today's modern times.

Divans generally consist of:
1) Straight kirtan
2) Problems in the panth or issues of the past.
3) Saakis from history - don't get me wrong I realise their importance but how many times do you need to hear the same one before you say to yourself, here we go again..
4) Persuasion to take Amrit
5) Khalistan

In that regards I now find that if I want to go deeper on my own personal journey, for that I am going to have to put in the effort myself and seek and seriously put in the dedicated time within myself. As I approach my 40s its beginning to dawn upon as my dhari turns 30% white that my time is running out, assuming I have a few years left, what have I achieved spiritually of what I now understand to be the true Sikhi essense for me anyway. Nothing!!! The definition for what Sikhi is for me has now changed and it is now more about my own inner journey and for that I don't think I will find what I'm looking for in your regular gurdwara. Yes maharaj's darshan is important as well as being in their physical pressence, but to be quite frank the SGGS app and actually reading Guru Maharaj on my iPad or the pdf documents or youtube videos on my computer now offer me more giyan and constant reminder and inspiration I now seek.

Life is becoming more complicated and demanding as the presures and responsibilities of family and day to day life increase. They were right when they said start bhagti in your younger years because it only becomes more difficult as you become older. The only problem was that I was not aware of it then nor took it seriously, let alone knew what to do.

Have our gurdwara's let us down? I don't think its fair to say that but I believe they will only take us so far. The rest of the journey has to be made within yourself and for that your maybe on your own or should I say two, you and Waheguru. The aim now is soley for the two to become One, or to experience (saying you know is not enough) there was only ever One to begin with.

WaheGuru

Sorry but the clues may have been misinterpreted by you and now you’re in an area that is out of your depth and the people who wrote them are not here either to guide you or hold your hand. They are not here to give you assurances that you go through these stages and how to handle and progress beyond them. 
 
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.  
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.  
 

Sorry but the clues may have been misinterpreted by you and now you’re in an area that is out of your depth and the people who wrote them are not here either to guide you or hold your hand. They are not here to give you assurances that you go through these stages and how to handle and progress beyond them. 
 
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.  
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.  
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.  
 

Bro, 
Are you taking instruction from a teacher about what techniques you should be doing for your spiritual practices? You seem to have been greatly impacted by physic abilities. If your going it alone and just following books and what not then be careful.
You may want to have a chat with one of the gurmukhs from pmkc and tell them what your experiencing. From what I’ve heard one should always keep anhad Shabad with them when doing dhyan. From what I have read from your posts you don’t do gurmantar Jaap but go straight onto dhyan techniques. 
maybe start with Bhai Ramanpreet Singh in US. He speaks good English so you may be able to communicate effectively with him.
Bhai Dharamjit Singh from Gurmat Meditation is another helpful and experienced soul. 
There is also Bhai Nirvair Singh from Akal Sahai Waheguru Naam Leva but he is keen on taking on fresh students and not those linked or attached to others or come with loads of gyan as there is too much to unlearn and start again, but he still might be able offer you some guidance or let you know if you have gone off the beaten track.
I would be seriously concerned if I were you. In Q&As with Gurmukhs, I have heard people mention harassment from entities. But over time and with guidance these things went away and no longer harassed abhiyasis. You need help and I’m not sure if your getting it because you mentioned this before.
Get a 2nd opinion from someone else other than Sant Jagjit Singh. No offence intended bud, but you have been struggling with this for a while now and from what I’m reading it’s getting worse.