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ISDhillon

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  1. oooohhh somebodies having a bad hair day
  2. very pedantic, what position in the world do you hold other than being a admin cut on sikhawareness?
  3. since you insist in diverting: India needs to be federal China can go the same way as russia Iran needs a good bombing They all have brave people but evidently not enough. In fact I do have a genuine dislike for china, india and iran. Burma I dont know much about except this recent thingy on the TV
  4. please do not stray from the topic this is obviously an iranianawareness website so we should stick to iran and iranians. coming from the person who cant stick to the topic opposed is not good enough what sort of people allow their brothers and sisters to be hung from cranes, the sort that needs a good bombing thats for sure no brave person would live under a tyrannical regime they would die fighting period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  5. if they dont overthrow their regime then they will infringe on other countries so they are responsible.
  6. admin cut: edited due to insults on different dharam.
  7. yes but surely this thread is solely about iran? thats another possibility, in any case it would be through bombs surely?
  8. I have grown tiresome of these regimes and no longer harbour any feelings towards them, I prefer they did not exist.
  9. there was no need to delete my post i sincerely without hate would like iran destroyed this does not go against the rules of this forum, the mods made me charming
  10. shove youre warning up your arse!!!!
  11. admin cut: This is your first offical warning not to incite world wars on this place, it will not be tolerated.
  12. Dear Vijaydeep and Dynamic Banda , It disgusts me the way our youth are operating I have recently moved to california so I am not living in the UK anymore but when i read the various panthic magazines I can see we are headed for trouble unless these vigilantes are not captured. I hope they will see sense before that happens. Indy
  13. when will we rescue the guru from the beadbi of caste based gurdwaras? and where will we put the guru when rescued is their a non-caste gurdwara/safe-house?
  14. i prefer the original doesanybody know where i can download the original i think it on the soundtrack to the film baghi soorma
  15. I know their are a lot of internal and external threats to sikhism, but why is their a witchunt for beadbi going on?
  16. wel well well looks like i win haha, but seriously i think we should give the ISC some time as they are making alot of progress in terms of education and we should let them continue,
  17. lol you should do stand up comedy another post which is designed to make you look like you know what youre talking about shall i have a go, here goes btw i have just cut and pasted this from another person i was debating with who was consumed with the ego of intellectual superiority: Initially I would like to say that all you have said about me is a lie again it would take real effort from someone who was really interested in the dynamics of your scheming clueless conundrum to research, Your last post was a great failure it’s a rehash of everything you have said in all your other posts and the reason why you continue to respond is not to correct me but because you know I have got you by the short and curlies. There are major flaws in youre debating failing to accept this you then siphon references in an attempt to rebuild youre demolished claims which are again levelled failing this you then start to come out with youre true feelings about this discussion and when it is pointed out those views are irrelevant you take me back to square one and . Maybe you should try your hand in plain and simple terms instead of the usual pseudo-scholorary sentences which are laced with false merriment and jovial lamentation. My words are easily understandable perhaps there is an element of denial in your framework of logic. Those who live their lives on false pre-suppositions not only repeat history in their thought ,conduct and society, but also are condemned to rebirth. This is becoming incredibly boring now and you have still not answered many of my questions perhaps because you know deep down inside your position is flawed but that is a relationship with you and your conscience. I think you have now become paranoid and it is quite scandalous of you to think I give a **** whether anybody cares what I think this is all my response to you as an individual so let me just make a statement to anyone who is reading this: LOOK AWAY!!!. I do keep trying to wade you out of the swamp of ignorance which has engulfed your every pore but you seem to chuck it back in my face accept a helping hand when it is given to you for it is given in love, the amount of corrections needed in your last post are too many but as all ways I have tried my best to guide you. I am amazed at how many times I have had to state this but that is never referred to because I have publicly proven you wrong but you remain steadfast to the “divine denial†that’s ok it is not a measure of my extant just yours I hope in you’re next post you may recuperate some of youre worth. You have continued your incessant whining and have even got to the point of being sarcastic about my ability to uphold my argument there is no answer to any of my questions but a continual attempt to personally undermine me you have not been able to sustain any of the many accusations you make against me instead you bring in sideliners which are an attempt to divert me away from the trite you are delivering you are barking up the wrong tree and will continue to receive a roasting and face defeat as you have on this forum you go further in a couple of paragraphs about me personally slowly creating a deceptive web that you have now been caught in and have no escape and you will not be able to continue your deceitful program. How embarrassing your conduct throughout this whole discussion and still you deny to accept all your argumentative failures to date and the dismissal of the many questions that have been put forward to yourself, a personal opinion is devoid of any qualification and must be treated a a non-entity. Tsingh Sahib Ji I will not be lost in the mish-mash of words that you have displayed on more than one occasion, I will hold true to ,my principles and will listen attentively to all that you have to say and if there is anything that enlightens me I will honour you for it but to all the rest I openly declare that a deaf ear will be turned forthwith. The age today is not for information we have passed the information age and today we are only interested in something that can inspire us but your words are a series of fantasy statements and I am sure they are a mesmerising read to all that can understand it. I would advise you that it is more proactive for a challenged individual such as yourself to remain silent and start over with the learning process you must severe the links to your dead and wasteful convictions as they will not and have not aided you in your progress as a faithful adherent to whatever belief you claim to profess, they have in fact highlighted that you do not have any roots in any system of religion but are likened to a nomad who has no home." I have encountered plenty like you before the above this is what i feed to people when they have not been able to engage in effective dialogue, copy it down and take it away its yours. Indster
  18. i have too much time on my hands, who is they?, i have never suffered from the need to validate my faith, reason is the impasse of western civilization sikhi is a postmodern faith. which reforms do you suggest have been a reaction to modernity (point by point) in sikhi. because the current insurgency in iraq is from a group of muslims which belong to many cultures, in fact it is the doctrine of jihad itself which has been used to ferment and radicalise certain individuals from those countries, the problems in those countries are economic if it were a certain country then yes we would need to look at that country in detail but the fact is it is not. no this is because of economic reasons, i never said islam was not a modern religion i said islam in its current form is not adaptable to all forms of life especially shariah - if you dont see that then i would seriously worry where youre conscience lies. i think perhaps you have encountered people who throw around words like science, rationale and modernism to liberally well i am not that sort of person. Indy
  19. there is really not much more in your last post to talk about however i wanted to quickly kill off this quote above, I actually have written about this claim did you know all the charges were never followed through with?, there is not a shred of proof that he ever committed such actions, and guess what? even if he seduces 50000 women i still would not say his work ws bad, when you read his literature his personal and private life is of no interest , its quite stunning how you argue against the supposed "moral" consequences of khalsa rehat but at the same time you are suffering from the same malaise, I will reiterate to all that the greatest literature by a sikh on sikhism is by Dr J S A hluwalia, and if he is a criminal it is OK BY ME!!!!!!!!! - his criminal activities are shrivel in the wake of his scholorary discourse. Call a spade a spade tsingh ji , i usually add a rejoinder to my statment about js ahluwalia work about the charges levelled against him so that people know the whole story and can therefore choose to be neutral or prudish i see you chose to be prudish. The simple fact is you are no different from all you criticise i suggest you reject hypocrisy and stop being melodramatic. Indy
  20. this is a pile of crap you meandre around these sentences yet they amount to nothing ask a question directly and it will be answered i have no need for rhetoric and your critique needs an argument yu have provided nothing but statements from your own personal opinion. no they are not show me how? deal with them as you will? - then why bother entering a discussion when you have no intention of believing what the other person has to say. you need to do more than that the bankruptcy of your arguments is astonishing! in history you have societies which configure and produce something unique ie the isc is a new tool for social order islam has no such quality its all about subjagation which they have done throughout history, what do they have to offer other than isalm itself? zero is the answer, they lossed their kingdms and due to ego they have fought and lossed every struggle throughout history unless they learn humility they will coninue to repeat these fatal errors. the thing about colonialism and globalisation is incorrect had this been the reason all the world would be in revolt yet only islam has the problem. sikhism has sent no signal to women other than equality this problem is inherent inyour discussions whatever you see in your crcleof life is not sikhism, it would be ok i you said that "their should be more of an active role of women in the sangat", but instead you are saying that such patriarchy is born through sikhism, this is the point from which your arguing, you then continue to waffle to me about the definition of patriarchy which trust me is not needed answer the points raised!!!!! punjabi society is not sikhism if you wanted a cultural discussion then go to jattworld.com. Personally speaking all reasons for male-domination is economic not because women are inferior and certainly not sikhsm. its not flawed at all for you to state an ideological bias in sikhism would mean that you would have started the argument with a patriarchial doctrine in sikhism, the fact is you did not, infact you went on about tradition which is a historical fact is it not? please answer the question and dont dodge the issue? i knew it you dont know much of what is going on outside of your own little world - INTERNATIONAL SIKH CONFEDERATION - google it you maybe surprised! ! wow alot of questions all of which have nothing to do with sikh doctrine i suggest you read and learn sikh doctrine before worrying about all the conspiracy theories, its weird how such things never bother me, I ask you from your quote above when in sikhism has anyone ever meddled with sikh doctrine, you will find it has never been meddled with "sovereignity is a vehicle for self-realisation" - this is the key my freind all else is vain prattle, institutions such as panthic bodies have the right to adapt to all walks of life they also have a responsibility to change life - "continuity and change go and in hand cos reality is not static" - in this sense islam fails to adapt - "gur mann binse bandhee kalaas" - the guru has cut the fetters around my mind. no they are no moral values your argument is denial of everything i wrote if you have the proof that rehat is a moral issue then bring it my guru gives salvation to the immoral and the evil cos they both have god in them so why would he change it?, he would make a path which is easier through a physical discipline, what is the moral of not taking tabacco? its about preparing yourself for spiritual progress and avoiding things which impinge on this, its not about prohibition in the name of evil etc. You have a lot to learn my freind i could suggest some good books - read the sovereignity of the sikh doctrine by dr jasbir singh ahluwalia it is the most authoritative scholar on sikh doctrine hailed by the un for his immaculate work on sikhism. tankhaa system exists for such activities. no tankhaa is punishment, excommunicaion happens when you do not appear for discussion of such claims made against you also if you do not submit to tankhaa then excommunication is granted, it appears your only understanding of sikhism is the dribs and drabs you read on tribune newspaper. not when opts for gurus roop then devalues that roop they have to be recognised for their underacheivement, they have comitted an act which will require re-baptism, what is the moral of cutting your beard - there is none its just an act in isolation their is no wrong, however when the guru lived an exemplary life and we were offered the gift to ruin that gift is indeed worthy of some sort of recognition, tankhaa gives this recognition in an acceptable format for the whole sangat - transparency. what is the moral of seva - selfless service, if it was truly selfless the act word not need to be good?, is war not seva in some eyes thats good in some eyes its bad, is seva then really good or bad or is it a virtuous action? as people enter the gurus path they and they alone will start to live life consciously rather than morally and truthfully, conscious living is about being responsible for your actions and those actions may be deemed moral or immoral, conscious living is only greater when you spiritually progress - people stop eating meat but not cosits immoral, people stop drinking beer but not cos its immoral cos they have something greater to satiate their first. Amrit is the perfect intrument to binding a sikh to that conscious living. in khalsa you chose not to wear a cap when you chose amrit in the modern world you have more choice than ever so your argument is quite right void, a khala sikh in the modern world is a blessing to exist if any their will be no compulsion for them to adapt they made the choice themselves. this makes me laugh, you start of by asking me many question then you answer them for me and go onto a whole new issue, the argument stands!!!!!!!!! - the gurus roop is the beat thats why we want it, is their a khalsa sikh you know who feels that he wants to wear a cap?, or is this all about keshdharis? - please you need to liberate sikhism from the sikhs and then renew the discussion, your argument about modern world integration is sooooooo old it is widely accepted that the turban does not hinder integration, it is widely accepted that sikhs are not only a well assimilated group in the modern world but also the increase prosperity wherever they go, one needs to ask the question of france as to why the turban infringes on their secular lifetsyle when it doesnt in the uk or us or anywhere else, your views are incredibly myopic. i belive you need a cybertankhaa :-)
  21. it makes no difference, your own guru took amrit, will that make it more relavant for you?, i doubt it.
  22. when you repeat history your not learning something islam is responsible for this misunderstanding and for the continues repetition i dont believe we as sikhs have ever repeated history. how is that a point i missed if you have a criticism parallel to islam for sikhi i vow i can break it, bring it on. this is quite disturbing i dont know why i never had such thoughts?, what has caused you to believe that we have patriarchy by tradition?, i see patriarchy for the first time when taksal states women could not be panj piare, when jathedar states women cannot do kirtan in harimandar, i never seen it before then. Tradition is not exclusive, I will admit we sometimes live in theory which is not practiced to its true fullness again this is a panthic issue it is not "a part"of sikhism. Because by tradition sikhs are persucted people so we should in a traditional sense be persected all over the world all the time this is according to the logic drawn by the conclusion you have drawn. wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww this is riduculous it really is i dont even know where these ideas come from, are you for real?, panthic issue!!!!!! we have had a period of time where the existential concerns of sikhs have outweighed the existential concerns of sikhism, well we have a body now to conduct global affairs ie the ISC do you what the ISC is? where in sikhi does it say that these things are immoral? i think you will find that sikhi is not about living the moral path for salvation but about discipline, i suggest you reread about sikhism these views are so off tangent with sikh doctrine. again this is ridiculous what sort of sikhism have you been brought up in, i am serious where did you learn about sikhism from? when you choose to take amrit then you choose to live by these rules if you want to smoke a fat cigar then dont take amrit theuior is no compulsion but if you choose to do something then dishonour the discipline then you too will be dishonoured its simple. you put the noose around your own neck! any noone is going to hell and to hell with what nitzch thinks. bhai nand lal is not the guru nor was he rehatdhari himself, a poet makes his sentences rhyme it is also used to emphasize a point of importance, i wouldnt take it in the literal sense. its almost as if you take little parts of history and go to town with them be real and try to focus on the issue. The turban has always been worn in india and his in a sense a tradition but also our gurus wore them those who want the gurus roop will dress as their guru does i therefore cannot imagine a giani wearing a cap. Do i think its sacrilegious for a sikh to wear a cap no i dont at all, because i dont believe in sacrilege for me to believe in sacrilege would also mean i believe in morality which i dont my conscience exists for a reason my conscience tells me that a turban is correct. . no sir youre derailing the debate, gurus roop had nothing to do with privaleged status the gurus roop is best thats why we want it all else is vain prattle, i seriously worry wear your line of questioning comes from . waffle!, alot of good has come out of this since the movement we have had a sikh rennaissance the whole communty has been awoken, we have made a stand, tell me when in the wars with mughals did atrocities not occur this situation is no different its just people have less faith in their iown lives and believe the mainstream view to be the same but the reality is it isnt, your whole response to me has been what you perceive but the reality is that alot of good has come from all struggles even this one the reason why i say and write it simply as i have is because you too are not really arguing from any clear defined point i answered all your objection in my previous post, you have not addressed those points just reasserted your own in lenghth and this is wholly unacceptable in effective dialogue. now your asking the questions, the answer to your question is just as you have said they are a person who loves gurbani and has not taken amrit, did you expect me to label them heretics? can i really answer these questions? i have to admit i cant, i dont believe amrit is possible for everyone, but i believe spirituality is taksal have the right to an opnion only if they enforce an opion then they are no longer sikhs. they have no representation in the agpc that is not discrimantion a body setr up for guru panth cannot be made of members who are not apart of guru panth, a forum should exist for airing of views but no way do non-amritdharis have the right to control panthic affairs PERIOD!!!!!
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