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  1. Also It’s a puzzling charitar since it doesn’t contain much of a plot. Maybe the purpose is different here. In general there haven’t been that many charitars on or references to Brahmins so far. Even though the frame story has a Brahmin involved (Hunuwant’s teacher). Maybe it’s slowly by slowly alerting the king to be conscious of the teacher. Let’s see if there is a greater presence of Brahmins onwards, this might get really interesting.
  2. Deen also means poor/downtrodden in Sanskrit. You see a lot of hindu braj Bhasha poets playing with that word when describing the Mughal-Maratha wars ie. Shivaji was fighting for deen (downtrodden Hindus) by destroying deen (Islamic religion).
  3. Has any serious study been made of this Granth - year of Origin, authorship etc.
  4. Good find Chatanga. A new book has been published on the history of Afghan Sikhs and Hindus, maybe it contains some info also. I’ve recieved my copy and will post if there is any interesting info from Afghan sources on their rule over Afghan sikhs in Pashto areas and Punjab. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Afghan-Hindus-Sikhs-Inderjeet-Singh/dp/9385854380
  5. The 5 khands are the most fascinating topic in Sikhi
  6. Let’s see- is your silence due to there not being any evidence ?
  7. A bond man is a slave, not an employee. But fair enough keep justifying slavery all you want.
  8. Lol you are indeed a great ambassador for Christ. Slamming people for being obsessed by Satan and the devil and then say come accept Christ. Lol. Thanks for the experience of Christian missionary types. It’s always odd
  9. Yeah I was a talking about yes and no questions - not whether there are right and wrongs answers. These are two different things, stop attributing words to me that I didn say. What kind Of weird way of debating is that? The devil inside me? Dude this is too weird for me. I’m out. Maybe someone else wants to continue.
  10. When did I say there is no right and wrong answer? You jump all over the place, this is getting weirder and weirder.
  11. I made a post on Jesus - feel free to answer Therein when you have time
  12. Hi Letssee With a Christian on the forum I would like to hear more about the crucifixion of Jesus. If salvation is based on the belief of a historical event - the crucifixion and the resurrection - are there then any contemporary sources outside the bible that actually confirm that this event ever took place ? If not, why do Christians put so much emphasis on this event if it cannot be proven that it ever happened ?
  13. Did you even read those passages you copy pasted. The verse begins by saying “Those who receive His Mercy obtain the True One”. This is the aspect of grace. Yes people are esentually good in nature. No such thing as original sin. Whether the individual Sikh believes he is good or not differs, but thinking that you’re good is not a nice trait to have. It makes you proud, boosts your ego and probably limits you from trying to do further voluntary work (I’m good hence I don’t need to do more) stop saying according to Sikhism - it’s only according to your reading of things. I haven’t been struggling with anything in the above. Surely sikhi makes sense but if you’re looking for yes and no answers to all questions then you will have a hard time understanding Sikhi.
  14. If you want to think in binary terms of black and white then Sikhi doesn’t fit into that and you will have a very hard time grasping what Sikhi is about. Sikhi often takes a position of the middle path - it combines body and soul, the secular with the spiritual, intention with action, faith with action, politics with devotion etc etc. It’s never “either this or that” as you say So no, someone who thinks they’re a good person and boasts about it will not receive any good for his deed. Gurbani compares this to an elephant that has just bathed in a river and then goes rolling in the mud. You just did something good and now you’re defiling yourself with pride. Keeping the pride in check and empowering humility is another aspect of Sikhi. This is not about me not wanting to admit anything. Why would I want to hide anything under the carpet ? It’s not a competition (not that I cheat in competitions lol) As a Sikh you should strive to do good at all times. Does this mean that the individual Sikh do good 24/7 ? No of course not. But trying to implement a lifestyle of doing good, worship, sharing your food, sharing your wealth, spending time with voluntary work is the ideal lifestyle of a Sikh And what they are to strive for.
  15. Yes that’s the essence of it but there is also the aspect of Gods grace. There are more nuances. Like I said - it’s not a mathematical formula where you do X amounts of deeds and then you’re granted liberation. Gurprasaad (grace) is also an aspect - a person doing all the good deeds will not automatically get liberation if his intentions were that of a merchant or he got arrogant and kept posting selfies whenever he did a good deed - then Gods grace is not on that person. And that’s why I agreed with your quote.
  16. “It's been my experience, that people will be more humble, when they know it's all down to the Saviour, than when they think they themselves are good people and, eg, helped the old lady on to the bus (and etc).“ exactly. This is also the position of Sikhi. Can you tell more about paradise. There are some traditions/interpretations within sikhi and Sufism where people will say “actions and what’s on the outside doesn’t matter. It’s what’s inside of the heart that matters”. I have friends like this and often wonder about those interpretations. I’m not saying they’re bad peope, but it’s a fun way of diverting away from the scriptural principles.
  17. But what is the correlation between genuinely believing that Jesus was your savour and died on the cross - and living a moral life? And why should a Christian live without sin if he is already saved? For the masses of people wont that just create a situation where they at some point will relapse to sin ? you mention a deficit of rewards in paradise. What do you get in paradise? And what is the difference between what people get ?
  18. Thanks for the explanation. I wouldn’t say a person who stole something 20 years ago can still be regarded as a thief. Similarly, someone who left school 20 years ago and has worked ever since can’t be regarded as a pupil. So what happens after you accept the sacrifice of Jesus and continue to steal, treat people badly and create chaos on earth etc ? Is the promise of salvation then withdrawn?
  19. Yes feel free to expand. I’ve always had a hard time understanding faith based traditions and how this works in a modern society
  20. No there is an afterlife, either through reincarnation or dissolvement of the self (liberation). I don’t view sikhi as a religion. I see it as a life philosophy, a way to direct your thoughts, speech and actions towards a higher goal. Christianity (from what I’ve read) is a faith based religion Based on the belief that Christ died for your sins on the cross and that people are now liberated if they believe and accept this sacrifice of Jesus . Sikhi is action based. What matters is not whether you believe in the idea of selfless service- this matters is if you practice it
  21. Hi and welcome to the forum You ask a good question that probably many Sikhs also Wonder about. If salvation was based on a mathematical formula (you do X amount of good deeds and then you get liberation) then Sikhi would turn into a merchandise religion. You sit and calculate in order to have a surplus of good deeds and once you got it, you'll just stop and turn into an arsehole again. This approach means that you would end up in a situation of empty rituals where you would 'exploit' the bad condition of the less fortunate in order to help yourself gain succes in the afterlife. In essence "Thank God there are all these poor people, so they can help me attain liberation". Thats not how Sikhi Works. The instructions have been given to repeat the name of God, to do good deeds constantly without fail. Why so ? Because it benefits humanity and your own soul. Not because it lands you liberation per se. If I only stopped myself from robbing or beating up people because it would land me in 'hell' then what kind of person am i? Thats a ticking timebomb waiting to explode. The urge would constantly lurke within me but i'm only stopping myself for external reasons. Sikhi goes to the core of the issue and makes you Work with yourself to 1) reduce your bad qualities 2) to promote gooodness for the sake of goodness and common Progress of humanity. So to answer your question: there is no formula. Just keep going - constant Progress and self developement. ਸੁਰਗ ਬਾਸੁ ਨ ਬਾਛੀਐ ਡਰੀਐ ਨ ਨਰਕਿ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ Don't wish for a home in heaven, and don't be afraid to live in hell. ਹੋਨਾ ਹੈ ਸੋ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ਮਨਹਿ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ਆਸ ॥੧॥ Whatever will be will be, so don't get your hopes up in your mind. ||1|| ਰਮਈਆ ਗੁਨ ਗਾਈਐ ॥ Sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, ਜਾ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ਪਰਮ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ from whom the most excellent treasure is obtained. ||1||Pause||
  22. Check this out, it might contain something useful: http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/sites/secure.lsit.ucsb.edu.gisp.d7_sp/files/sitefiles/journals/volume20/3-JS Grewal 20.pdf
  23. Yes because they relate Guru and Singh history. But in terms of government structures, social conditions of the people under sikh rule etc they provide very Little. The Persian writings produced at the courts of the Sikh Kings of Lahore, Kapurthala and Patiala however provide information on this. But due to them being written in difficult courtly Persian, very few Sikhs have studied these.
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