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    das reacted to HisServant in Best time for simran during amrit vela and evening   
    I just don’t see why amrit vela on the other side of the planet would have an effect on someone who’s no where near that place. 
    From personal experience. Sounds starts blasting loud in both ears as soon as the sun goes down and stays that way until sunrise. I don’t know anything factually beyond that. 
    And then there’s the view that it’s always amrit vela when you’re always internally drinking amrit. I can’t speak more of that because I’m not at that point yet. 
    I would suggest taking some time out to do simran when the sun is down. But if it’s not a possibility for you, don’t make it an excuse not do simran. Just make sure you’re doing it. 
    I live in Canada and when it’s around midnight in Punjab, it’s around 1-2 pm here. That’s the point in the day where I can just barely hear the sounds and it’s also the time when the sun is the highest in the sky. 
    So just from personal experience I can’t see the correlation between punjab’s amrit vela and my own bhagti. Maybe that’s just me though. 
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    das reacted to shaheediyan in Power and Effects of 31 Ragas in Guru Granth Sahib Ji   
    Probably not quite what you are looking for, but the power and effect of raags is only half the equation, the raag in it self only has a worldly effect, it is bani that has the spiritual and more important effect.

    However, Guru Nanak and Bhai Mardana's relationship was 2 fold, to conquer mans mind and soul...

    The power of raag and associated Gur-bani is that it brings equilabrium to ones jeevan. If one is yearning or experiencing sadness, then doing kirtan in of maajh shabd will unlock ones, focus and release ones emotions to the Lord. This is a complex subject, and one that is being researched. Listening to too much of one raag in my opnion can also be bad, it's always best to have a healthy balance.

    There is definately healing power in raag kirtan if one understands the raag and more importantly related the bani....

    Here are the moods of raag and the associated ang in Gur-bani in which they are contained:

    Information on 31 Raags in Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Panna
    Raag
    Common Themes
    Feelings communicated

    1-13
    ~
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    14-93
    Sri
    Maya (illusionary world) and detachment
    Satisfaction and balance

    94-150
    Maajh
    Yearning to merge with Lord, giving up of negative values.
    Loss, beautification

    151-346
    Gauri
    Principles, serious, thoughtfulness, composed
    Seriousness

    347-388
    Aasa
    Hope
    Making effort

    489-526
    Goojri
    Prayer (Pooja)

    Satisfaction, softness of heart, sadness

    527-536
    Devgandaari
    Merging with spouse, self – realization
    No specific feeling but the Raag has a softness

    537-556
    Bihaagra
    Yearning due to separation of soul and happiness due to meeting the Lord.
    Beautification

    557-594
    Vadhans
    Bhakti (Prayer) Ras



    595-599
    Sorath

    Merits of God
    Motivation

    660-695
    Dhanaasari
    Mixed theme
    Inspiration, motivation

    696-710
    Jaitsree
    Stability
    Softness, satisfaction, sadness

    711-718
    Todee
    Maya, separation
    This being a flexible Raag it is apt for communicating many feelings

    719-720
    Bairaari
    Motivation to sing praises of Lord
    Sadness, (Gurus have, however, used it for the message of Bhakti)

    721-727
    Tilang
    Many words from the vocabulary of Islamic origins are used, sadness, beautification.
    This is a favourite Raag of Muslims. It denotes feeling of beautification and yearning.

    728-794
    Soohi
    Being away from home. The soul being away from the House of Lord and the joy of meeting the true husband.
    Joy and separation

    795-858
    Bilaaval
    Beautification of soul, happiness.
    Happiness

    859-875
    Gaund
    Separation, union, surprise.
    Strangeness, surprise, beauty

    876-974
    Raamkali
    to give up the life of a wandering Yogi
    Calmness

    975-983
    Nat Narayan
    Joy of meeting the Lord
    Happiness

    984-1987
    Maali Gaura
    Happiness
    Happiness

    989-1106
    Maaru
    Bravery
    Giving up of cowardice

    1107-1117
    Tukhari
    Separation and union with Lord
    Beautification

    1118-1124
    Kedara
    Love
    Love and beautification

    1125-1167
    Bhairau
    Man's state of hell
    Seriousness, brings stability of mind

    1168-1196
    Basant
    Happiness
    Happiness

    1197-1253
    Saarang
    Thirst to meet God
    Sadness

    1254-1293
    Malaar
    State of separated and united soul
    Separation

    1294-1218
    Kaanra
    Bhakti (Devotion/Prayer)
    Bhakti (devotion) and seriousness

    1319-1326
    Kalyaan
    Bhakti (Devotion/Prayer) Ras
    Bhakti Ras (feeling the sweet nectar from loving devotion to the Lord)

    1327-1351
    Parbhati
    Vairaag (Detachment)
    Bhakti and seriousness

    1352-1356
    Jaijawanti
    Vairaag (Detachment)
    Viraag (Detachment)

    1357-1430
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    das reacted to harsharan000 in Husband Wife Jokes - I Love These   
    Enough about  jokes on wives.
    Now somethng for husbands...😉
     
                                                                                                                       A new metal is added to chemistry:
    • Name - Husband
    • Symbol - Hb
    • Atomic weight:
             - Light when found 
                first
             - Tends to get heavier
                 over the years with
                 time
    • Physical properties:
             - Boils at any time 
                with inlaws
             - Can freeze in front 
                of his own family
             - Melts if sees other 
                women
             - Very bitter if
                questioned
    • Chemical properties:
             - Very reactive
             - Highly unstable
             - Possesses strong
                resistance to gold,
                silver, diamond,
                platinum, credit
                cards and cheque  
                books
             - Money saving agent
    • Occurrence:
             - Mostly found in
                front of TV, Laptop & Mobile.
    😛😝😜.
    ✒...if we lose a pen, we can buy new one;  but if we lose a pen cap, we cannot buy it...
    so love your husband, because all Dhakkans are important 😝😝😜😜
    Always keep your husbands picture as mobile screen saver.
    Whenever you face a problem,
    see the picture & say: if I can handle this, I can handle anything!... 
    😛 😂😜
    📢 Finally -Living with husband is a part of living.........
    but living with the same husband for years is 'art of living'!!!!!!! 😜😊😍😂😘
    Cheers to all  women.😄
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    das reacted to Soulfinder in Baat Agam Ki/Discourses on the Beyond by Sant Isher Singh Ji   
    http://www.bhorasahib.com/Diary.htm
     
    Here is a link with Baba Ji's original diary as it has been published as a pdf.
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    das reacted to Sajjan_Thug in Baat Agam Ki/Discourses on the Beyond by Sant Isher Singh Ji   
    Baat  agam ki is a collection of discourses in Punjabi by Sant Isher Singh Ji Rara Sahib Wale discussing every aspect of Naam Simran and how to meet God.
    These are the English translations
    Discourses On The Beyond Part 1
    Discourses On The Beyond Part 2
    Discourses On The Beyond Part 3
    Discourses On The Beyond Part 4
    Discourses On The Beyond Part 5
     
    Also below is the Punjabi version
    Baat Agam Ki 1
    Baat Agam Ki 2
    Baat Agam Ki 3
    Baat Agam Ki 4
    Baat Agam Ki 5
    Baat Agam Ki 6
    Baat Agam Ki 7
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    das reacted to BhagatSingh in Sikhi is giaan marg or bhakti marg   
    Both are part of it and both are important.
    You are making one look worse than the other through your words. So half the things that you should be doing, you are avoiding. Thus I imagine you are only getting half the benefit from Gurmati.
    God has no symbols but also has many symbols, pick a few and stick to them. Pick the images and symbols which appeal to you. Whether it be chakradhar, sharangdhar, kalgidhar, aswadhar, topidhar. ;)
    Be Nehkaram while performing karam, choose the right action, moral action, action that leads to results. Do actions together as a community even as simple as e.g. putting Guru Granth Sahib to sleep, so that your consciousness may be united.
    Dhyan lagao also pay others to do so Ragis, Pandits, etc. It is important that people earn a living through this and others will get to hear them sing Lord's praises. It is also important to meditate yourself and become receptive to Divine being.
    Do not expect miracles but do not be too skeptical and reject or dismiss any miracles. Have faith in God, but miracles also strengthen faith. So believe in that too. They do happen.
    Transcend all tribes but be part of one. Everyone needs a tribe. Be part of a tribe, and contribute to it. However big or small that tribe is. Full khalsa or simply a sect hidden somewhere, be a part of it. Do not slander other tribes.
     
    Yog (enlightenment) through Gyan (knowledge)/ Karm (action)/ Bhakti (devotion)/ Raj(meditation)... all are important.
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    das got a reaction from paapiman in What is significance of 108 and 40   
    I am looking for specific details regarding 40 and 108 (preferably from Sant, if someone has head some Bachans of Sant Isher Singh Ji, Baba Attar Singh Ji, Baba Nand Singh Ji, or from other Sikh sakhi), I need something more like: the effect of receiting a particular mala of 108 beads, the reason behind 108........what does 108 have relationship with Puran Baramganis and to the spiritual sphere...........and I could NOT find any topic on 40 days thing.
    I was just able to find that: It takes forty days to ingrain any new way of being into our system, and that is what we are aiming to do here: wipe out the old and welcome the new.

    The bottom line is I am looking the above information from Sant bachans if anyone have heard one because only Puran Baramgani can shed light on the truth and in detail.


    Das
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    das got a reaction from paapiman in Casting an Evil Eye (Nazar laanee)   
    Please allow me to ask everyone on this topic this question:
    Have any of you has any direct experience of Negative entities? Don't offer me any theory, if you happen to have any practical experience then please post.
    The powerful ghosts (negative entities) are not easy to get rid of. Some times, it is important to get the help of higher Spiritual beings (Brahmgyanis/Sants) because they really know the root cause (karma relationship with associated person) and at the same time know the formula to get rid of that. Don't expect Love is going to help; even Path done without the formula (technique) will help only to some extent. Sometimes doing Path alone would lead you to higher Spiritual being who could really sort out the problem. So, Path and Prayers are must. Negative entities are attracted (via subtle smell) to persons who consume meat, liquor, and/or visit prostitutes, bad intentions etc........The reason is negative entities are more attracted to lower vibrations (smell being the lowest related to Earth component). Meeting a lost soul in immediate Astral world is NOT equivalent to real Ghosts with real powers. Menstruation blood has real Life force along with Signature which could be used for Negative reason. In ancient times (even these days) menstruation blood is used in rituals for some specific purposes (not so for positive). And it is nothing to do with pure/impure; it's about the life force. Same goes for Hairs, Salvia, and nails etc......if one can acquire any of these for another person, then it's very easy to do Black Tantar........even Metaphysics does this via: Radionics, Bio-Photon analyzer and count less other techniques.  At last, Evil eye is NOT equivalent to Ghost, those are different things. Secondly, in our immediate environment, there are lot of Negative as well as Positive entities but Spritual Science Foundation has exaggerated this so much that you'll start thinking about them everyday, which will lead you to further attract negative forces because you're attracting them by thinking about them.
    Best option is continue the Meditation path; there are lot of things in this world and it is NOT necessary for us to know everything about them. 
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    das got a reaction from Lucky in Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism   
    Yes, I also feel the same that these days Sikhs are moving towards "Talebanisation"......and I could easily see that within 2 more generations (if not yet), the real Sikhism will be totally lost.
    Anyways, this is the pattern that every religion follows. So, for dancers who are looking for a dance which is specifically designed to go with the natural rhythms......, then here it is:
    Paneurhythmy (by Omraam Mikhael Aivanhov)
     
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    das reacted to BhagatSingh in Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism   
    The way Bhangra is normally done in parties is neechpuna. So he is correct there.
    But if Sant ji said the art of Bhangra itself is neechpuna then he is wrong, and I would like a word with him.
    But this idea of whether mahapurakh has said something...
    Let's do a thought experiement.
    Suppose Guru Nanak Dev ji comes back and makes a post that Dance is A OK for Sikhs.
    You read his comment and you do not recognize him.
    And you say "no" and list all your arguments.
    In that scenario -
    What would Guru Sahib have to say to you, in order to convince you that he doesn't think dancing or Bhangra is an issue here?
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    das reacted to Lucky in Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism   
    Have a read of this previous post 
    and especially...........
     
    Now, I started training and dancing in a bhangra group from age 13 to 17yrs old.  Everything that I learned in terms of the dance moves, the beats, the thaals, the significance and meanings etc..  there was nothing neechpuna. Nothing that's sending me to hell!   Some dances we learned and performed were about Hari's creation and the beauty of the flowers, the nature, the birds .etc..  These were performed with boliyan that were in praise of hari. ...they would then lead on to dance and boliyan about how the beautiful pastures were cultivated for lentils, wheat, rice and how they were harvested.  
    For someone that was 3rd generation, born and raised amidst all goray; it was my first active involvement with something Punjabi and cultural. It was only at that age that I started recognizing and appreciating some sort of identity. I'd say that it was the beginning; for making me the Punjabi that I am today. I don't give a hoots about the people that slag off bhangra and the UK bhangra scene that started in mid 80s, because I know that it saved many of our 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants from becoming whitewashed coconuts.   None of the nowaday 1st, 2nd or 3rd  Gen.Punjabis have any idea of what the earlier generations endured and had to go through to pave the way for the future.  
     
     
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    das reacted to amardeep in Bhangra/Gidha Vs Sikhism   
    Overall you start seeing a "Talebanisation" of SIkhi these years with a ban on everything that manifests artistic expression, whether music, dance, painting etc.
    It's quite sad actually and completely ahistorical.
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    das got a reaction from BhagatSingh in Singh and Gun (video game project)   
    come on Singh123456777, everyone has to feed his/her family; as long as you're doing it with "dasa nauha de kirt", all is good. The questions that you're putting to bhagat, the same question could be put to you in regards to doing ONLY bhagati; can you survive without doing any work in practical life?
    I'm not saying that you've to agree with everything what BhagatSingh says. If you can't say good for anyone, then at-least don't say bad.
    Personally, I don't find it bad (infact it is good) if anyone thinks that the work he is doing (as long as it doesn't harm anyone) is the duty that God has given to him. Eventually, work will become God; anything that brings you closer to God is good. I wish if I could enjoy my work as BhagatSingh does.
    In the Spiritual circle it is a known fact that you have to perform your duty (worldly duty) with sincerity. Even in the meditations, we can never succeed without WORK.
    Now, the question is: What is work? Work is rest. All true work is rest where credit seeking little self is absent. e.g see the hero fighting in a war. The body works automatically, as it were, the mind is absorbed in the work to such a degree that "I'm working" is entirely gone, the small enjoying ego is completely lost. Let the body and mind be continously at work to such a degree that labor may not be felt at all. All work is nothing else but the burning of our wick and oil, in other words, all work is nothing else but making our body and illusions, practically nothing from the standpoint of our own consciousness. Rise above them and that is work. Now, in what mood and mode does successful work become natural for us? There is something higher which puts all our working powers at their best. That higher is nothing else but being in perfect harmony with the universe, being in tune with the divinity, practically living in the true Atman or God within us and being raised above the little ego or selfish desires. In order for our work to be success, we should not care for the results. Follow work for the sake of peace and nirvana connected with it. Do our work selflessly and skillfully.
    e.g [ A employer will give promotion to its employee only when he is satisfied that whatever work is given to employee, the employee is doing it happily, selflessly, and skillfully. Same way GOD wants us to just do our work. ]
    It is an feeling that one has to feel and that feeling cannot be described in words.
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    das reacted to BhagatSingh in Singh and Gun (video game project)   
    Which artist are you referring to?
    Having an epiphany or a purpose given by Akal Purakh sahib doesn't mean you ignore your condition and do stupid actions.
    I also have a few stomachs to fill and have to put the roof over our head. Soon my family will be growing and so I need to earn more for the newcomers as well.
    I give away art every now and then and donate it to various art fundraisers, gurdwaras and galleries. I also offered it to you.
    But at the same time, I also have to earn some money in order to create more art.
    I remember when I was studying in medical field, I did not get much time to paint.
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    das reacted to dalsingh101 in How can my wish come true?   
    Do you really think it is a good idea to try and use religion like some sort of magic spell to fulfill this selfish wish? 
    The guy is married now. You're much better off accepting that and moving on. You sound infatuated by this guy and from what I've seen that is VERY common with girls who have sex with a guy at a young age. 
    As much as you might not want to hear it (here comes more tough love), you need to move the hell on with your life - he's gone. If you're not careful (and this guy is unscrupulous), you might end up being a dumb mistress to a married man, because you're so desperate. 
    Time heals all wounds and when you move on, eventually you'll get over your infatuation and see things for what they really are. 
    I personally think trying to use paat and amrit in the way you're suggesting above is only going to make things even worse for you. Was this guy amritdhari when you had a relationship with him? 
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    das got a reaction from BhagatSingh in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    You may be right, but all the interpretations (how and where BabaJi went or Samadhi etc.) has one common element and we're missing that by indulging in how and where. i.e He took instructions from His Guru (call it Nirankar, Sakar). He may have gone to Sachkand or in Samadhi on Nirankar or something like this.
    Moreover, there are other pointers that we can take from Guru Nanak Dev Ji's:
    - He started udasis only after this incidence
    - In all of Guru Ji's bani, he did recommended the society of Sants
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    das got a reaction from BhagatSingh in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    Yes, as per the sakhi, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj had a Spiritual Master/Guru (in Sakar form) and He did NOT start the udasis before getting initiation. Here are more details:
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji used to take bath in River Vae (in Sultanpur) everyday. One day He went in river and did not come back for 3 days. During this time He went to Sachkhand to meet Himself (His Self in base form). The Nirankar (in Sakar form) asked His form (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) why He had not started preaching the jiva till this age; to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji told Him that there is a rule in lower worlds (Mat Lok) that one needs to have Guru. To this Nirankar (in Sakar form) agreed to be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru. And gave BabaJi the updesh of "Satnaam" and then the Mool-Mantar (till Gurparshad).
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    das got a reaction from BhagatSingh in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    In order to really answer this question in black-and-white; 2 things are required:
    - The person answering the question should have visited/reached the Sachkhand. Because without actually reaching there, how could one tell what path to take?
    - Plus, He/She is willing to answer the question from truthful point of view; instead of answering for the sake of questioner's spiritual progress (so that the questioner's belief's are not shattered; but sometimes they need to be shattered).
    As you can see from the above: Expecting a real answer from any internet forum or from a normal person is not going to work.
    Therefore it implies that both parties (pro-living-master vs anti-living-masters) arguments are sheer understandings of their beliefs at this-point-in-time. Sometimes one party wins because they presented good arguments, but sometimes the other party wins. All in all, its like cheering for a sporting event from a distance. Pick the team, Join the team, and then cheer without pointing fingers at other team.
    My current understanding is:
    First let's sort out the definitions first:
    Perfect-Living-Master = Sant = Brahmgyani = Guru = Satguru = Spiritual-Master = Spiritual-Teacher = The one who has already reached the Nij ghar (Sachkhand or whatsoever that place is called).
    1. All of the 10 Gurus did have Spiritual-Master even though Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was present (Gurgaddi was not given till 10th patshah).
    2. All the Puran Sants in sikhism and also in other religions did have a Spiritual-Master.
    3. In the whole Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it is nowhere mentioned that a Living-Person is not required. But there are many places where the importance of Sants are disclosed and their society is recommended.
    4. Without the Sant/Guru, the spiritual progress is possible only upto certain point but in order to reach the ultimate truth, a Living-Sant is required.
    5. For Anti-Living-Master party, they always say Shabad is the Guru; but we need to digest this: even the real knowledge as defined/shown in Guru Granth Sahib Ji cannot be fully understood without Sants. e.g The same tuk/line which till yesterday meant something different, but as we progress the meaning changes. In the same vein, how could we be so sure that our understanding of the same tuk will not be changed on next big spiritual stage? In other words, our understanding is always relative.  If our understanding is relative, then who would have the real knowledge? Saints........ There is a reason elders have said: There is only one Truth and that Truth could only be found by the help of person who are the truth and not who know the truth.
    Everyone is entitled to its own understanding. Problem comes when we try to define the things as we understood and then try to enforce our thinking to others, saying that we're right in our understanding....thereby missing the whole point of the discussion and thus start debating instead of discussing. The real intention should have been to discuss the best possible way.
     
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    das reacted to BhagatSingh in Nearly 10 million Sikhs have lost their religion because of this organisation   
    That's exactly what it means. The Supreme Watcher is the Supreme Doer.
    Yes he does. That's why they do it.
    Believe it or not everyone here is doing exactly what God wants. You are replying exactly how God wants, and I am replying exactly as God wants, etc etc.
    The sooner you can make peace with this order of God the better.
    ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਵਰਤੈ ਸਭ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਣਾ ॥
    ਹੁਕਮੁ ਬੂਝੈ ਸੋ ਸਚਿ ਸਮਾਣਾ ॥੩॥
    ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਦੀਜੈ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦਾਨੁ ॥
    ਨਾਨਕ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥੪॥੬੬॥੧੩੫॥
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    das reacted to angy15 in Nearly 10 million Sikhs have lost their religion because of this organisation   
    Then the very idea that sikh is auniversal religion becomes questionable.When the foundation stone of Harmandir shaib was laid down by a muslim saint.When it has four entrance representing entrance to all four caste.It was to show that anyone and anybody can come and gain spiritual wisdom irrespective of his situation .
     
    Above incident indicates that when  we bound ourself with a  belief system than a  conflict is inevitable .When we have belief system  we try to make it common everywhere trying to impose it on everyone.
    If we go by  logic of SGPC quoted above  then  all Bhagats (15 bhagats), Bhatts (11 bhatts)  are  disallowed  beacuse they have to prove that they are amritdhari.
    You can Allow Queen of England  wear socks and a hat enter Darbar Sahib. 
    We have reduced the Sikh religion  into a set of believes.
    Religion cannot be abt belief system .Sri Guru Granth Sahib is a perfect example of it without any conflict.
    Satnam
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    das got a reaction from harsharan000 in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    Yes, it does imply that there were two entities from OUR-point-of-view as both of them are playing their part in the big plan. The two entities are: GuruJi as we know Him and His upper state manifestation Akaal (in Sakar roop).
    Qus: Now the question arises why there is a need to exist in some form/shape. Nirankar could just sort out everything (punish wrong, reward good, mukti etc. etc.) by just a furna without ever taking a form; why HE need to send Gurus/Sants in the first place in the lower words to help souls to remember their Nij ghar?
    Ans to me: I still have hard time to see all the sufferings around the world (child raps, children hungry, and so on....) and still believe that there is God (the way we perceive Him). I can't remember the tuk which says something like: "Bhagat ke bandi kaun chudave......" which literally means who would save us from the order of Bhagats.
    In order to calm down my monkey mind, I tell him.....Kaal (Time/Mind) did the worship of Nirankar and won the reward of the rulership of 3 worlds and have also taken certain promises from Nirankar. Now, the Nirankar does have to fulfill all His promises towards Kaal along with a plan to make sure that the Jeev Atmas does have a chance to come back without breaking the protocols of lower words.
    So, in other words, Gurus/Sants/Form-Shapes are there to make sure that we understand as per our limited senses. So, it means in order not to break the protocols of lower-worlds, Nirankar needs to tone down in chain-reaction to Nirankar --> Akaal --> Guru Nanak --> and so on.....i.e Middle Pillar path within the 3 worlds. Same way we have to be at the child's level to teach him something which he'll always remember; we cannot afford to stay at our level and expect that the child would understand. May be that's the reason Guru Nanak Dev Ji said:
    ਮਃ  ੫  ॥
    ਨਾਨਕ  ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ  ਭੇਟਿਐ  ਪੂਰੀ  ਹੋਵੈ  ਜੁਗਤਿ  ॥
    O Nanak, meeting the True Guru, one comes to know the Perfect Way.
    ਹਸੰਦਿਆ  ਖੇਲੰਦਿਆ  ਪੈਨੰਦਿਆ  ਖਾਵੰਦਿਆ  ਵਿਚੇ  ਹੋਵੈ  ਮੁਕਤਿ  ॥੨॥
    While laughing, playing, dressing and eating, he is liberated. ||2||
     
    I asked the exact same question to Spiritual guide couple of years back and the response was something along with lines: It was supposed to be an example so that we can understand and not the only truth.
    Actually, if we take this tuk at face-value (without going into deep), then we do have questions:
    - Where is the Shabad? We might be very quick to say: It's within us......but still the question remains: there are so many stages/states/levels with so many different dhunis and so on. We may wrongfully call any sound that we're hearing in meditation as Shabad; but who is going to tell us the difference between real Shabad vs others?
    - Surat needs to follow the Duni (but which duni and what place). It is a Maya/Illusion world, without the real Sant, it is very easy to get distracted by false illusions. How do we know that the Source from which Duni is coming is appropriate and not leading to dead-end? And even if the Duni/shabad that Guru Nanak Dev Ji is talking about is the same as we understood. Duni is a big thing, but our useful/useless mind can't even distinguish between simple optical illusions, what to talk about THE SHABAD.
    Moreover, even Shabad cannot travel to the Nirankar. Shabad is the boat which will carry us across the ocean whose malah(driver) should be the Guru/Sant but once we cross the ocean (3 worlds) then the purpose of Shabad/boat is served and we no longer have to carry the Shabad; same way as we don't carry the boat on shoulders after crossing the river. Then it is Guru/Sant's responsibility to do our marag darshan.
    Obviously, this is all theory as per my understanding at this-point-in-time and cannot gurantee anything.....I might be totally wrong......but this is the current reality for me from my current point-of-view.
    ਇਸ  ਮਨ  ਕਾ  ਕੋਈ  ਜਾਨੈ  ਭੇਉ  ॥
    Does anyone know the secret of this mind?
     
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    das reacted to BhagatSingh in Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?   
    It is important to follow the 3 pillars of Sikhism to keep your heart in the right place.
    The three pillars are -
    1. Naam Japna - meditation
    2. Vand Chhakna - being generous and kind - sharing things, knowledge, love, wisdom etc that you have/feel
    3. Sachi Kirt Karni - Truthful actions - speaking Truth, acting according to the Truth
    If any of these pillars are missing you will screw up your nervous system, which will make you lost.
    Your body-car will become rusted, the engine will screw up and the gps will go out of whack. Your body-computer will constantly fill up with ads and viruses, when you go to load one program another one will open.

    You will meditate and wonder why isn't it bringing any results.
    It's not bringing results because the house has been built completely wrong. The roof is collapsing and the walls the breaking down.
    It body-building must be supported by all 3 pillars.
     
     
    Do you feel "disoriented and imbalanced" when that happens? Is that what you mean by "inside of my head starts spinning"?
     
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    das got a reaction from paapiman in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    Yes, as per the sakhi, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj had a Spiritual Master/Guru (in Sakar form) and He did NOT start the udasis before getting initiation. Here are more details:
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji used to take bath in River Vae (in Sultanpur) everyday. One day He went in river and did not come back for 3 days. During this time He went to Sachkhand to meet Himself (His Self in base form). The Nirankar (in Sakar form) asked His form (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) why He had not started preaching the jiva till this age; to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji told Him that there is a rule in lower worlds (Mat Lok) that one needs to have Guru. To this Nirankar (in Sakar form) agreed to be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru. And gave BabaJi the updesh of "Satnaam" and then the Mool-Mantar (till Gurparshad).
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    das got a reaction from mahanpaapi in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    Yes, as per the sakhi, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj had a Spiritual Master/Guru (in Sakar form) and He did NOT start the udasis before getting initiation. Here are more details:
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji used to take bath in River Vae (in Sultanpur) everyday. One day He went in river and did not come back for 3 days. During this time He went to Sachkhand to meet Himself (His Self in base form). The Nirankar (in Sakar form) asked His form (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) why He had not started preaching the jiva till this age; to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji told Him that there is a rule in lower worlds (Mat Lok) that one needs to have Guru. To this Nirankar (in Sakar form) agreed to be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru. And gave BabaJi the updesh of "Satnaam" and then the Mool-Mantar (till Gurparshad).
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    das got a reaction from harsharan000 in What are your thoughts about Perfect Living Masters?   
    Yes, as per the sakhi, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj had a Spiritual Master/Guru (in Sakar form) and He did NOT start the udasis before getting initiation. Here are more details:
    Guru Nanak Dev Ji used to take bath in River Vae (in Sultanpur) everyday. One day He went in river and did not come back for 3 days. During this time He went to Sachkhand to meet Himself (His Self in base form). The Nirankar (in Sakar form) asked His form (Guru Nanak Dev Ji) why He had not started preaching the jiva till this age; to which Guru Nanak Dev Ji told Him that there is a rule in lower worlds (Mat Lok) that one needs to have Guru. To this Nirankar (in Sakar form) agreed to be Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Guru. And gave BabaJi the updesh of "Satnaam" and then the Mool-Mantar (till Gurparshad).
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