Maha Kharag Singh

Raam katha jug jug atal.....

There are many arguments which could neate most of the things you are saying, one being Sri Raam being tricked by Mareech the maternal uncle of Ravan and the brother of Tharika (not sukreiva or whatever you are saying). Mata Gujri was antarjami, she knew Gangu would decieve her, yet she still went along with him. Its called leela or play.... Guru Sahib had the power to crush mughal forces.

Anyway whatever Sri Valmiki may say or Tulsi Das may say.... Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji stated the truth in Beej Ramayan is Sri Dasam Guru Granth..

as for akaal das.... Sri Raam killed adharmi rakshas', protected rishi munis, preformed many jap taps... tu kini kamai kithi before you dared bismirched the name of an Avtar? Tu Guru Sahib naalo vadda ya.... laddo vando aise bewakoof de!

truely anand mangal!!!

no pun intended

can some1 please repost the picture

Well the Golak Scandal at Glidden seems to justify such actions,

placing a covert camera somewhere is not beadbi as Gurdwaras commonly are

now equipped with security cameras to protect against vandalism, so what's wrong

with covert cameras to protect aginst (inside) theft?

Before anyone considered doing anything like this the first step would be

to consult a lawyer to find out what is legally permissible and within the scope of

the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

All you'd really need to do is send in a new granthi/sevadar, probably an older guy

and let him fish around for a few weeks until he finds something.

If caught red handed the gurdwara pardhans and comitees will be too embarrassed to take legal action against cameras because that would result in more exposure. Either way no jurisdiction apart from the sovereignty of Satguru has power inside a Gurdwara. Therefore in order to protect that sovereignty no laundering of money can occur. Therefore the children of Satguru have every right to preform sting operations.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!

Dear all!

Participants on this forum seem to be learned people.

I hope I get my curiosity satisfied here.

Some feel they cannot read Dasam Granth because it uses words like 'Ling', 'Bhag' etc.

The same people are but convinced and dedicated readers of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee. The above words are also written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.

My curiosity is to know how they manage it. Please explain.

Balbir Singh

what about maharaj sri satguru granth sahib having refferences to khusre? these admin cut shud put a patti on their eyes when reading maharaj too.

sorry bout the language but this admin cut gets me emotional! How dare they raise the finger to guru after all he gave for us. we truely are ungrateful admin cut!!!

very interesting discussion. My personal take on this based on listening to sikh sants bachans- sant isher singh ji divan on juttaie shah and discussion with sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale.

Regardless of avastha/status of devi/devta's, if an upasakh do upasana of them by totally beleiving that their gurdev/ishatdev is vahiguroo ji in sargun form- he/shall eventually will get bhramgyan, they may not get direct bhramgyan but vahiguroo ji will give them darshan and take the jaiasgo surti from sargun and attach with its nirgun form. It all comes down to firm faith of jaigaso. As sri dasam patsah says- Jin Prem Kioo Tin Hi Prabh Paieo ||

hit the nail on the head!!!!!

it is this perspective allot of our people dont get, instead they get on the sikh version of the talibani sharia wagon and point and shake their fingers in contempt.

The issue of raagmala predates Bhai Sahib Randir Singh.. The issue can be found in Suraj Parkash Granth and other nirmale scholars also rejected this composition such as pandit tara singh narotam etc... There is a list of scholars who've rejected this composition on www.sikhism101.com

please give the direct reference in suraj parkash which rejects raagmala otherwise please keep referenceless remarks to your self

its a shame they dont have any proper kirtan

balbiro pabhi di gutth chaj naal ni khich hoyi, haje ve bandria vang tappi janda. Kameena, gadhi chor.

This man is a murderer, who has the blood of many nihung mahapurush on his hands, ehdia andhra nu khich ke ehnu sooli te tangna chaida!

Balbir Kutha Maro Jutha!!

tony veer hit the nail on the head

Ive heard of Mitra Piare Nu Haal Mureeda Da Kehna

but naamdhari guru, jagjit singh, alters the word of Sache Patshah Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj

http://www.beantpatshah.info/index.php?opt...r&Itemid=30

see for yourself

what a boad of lollocks!!!!!!!!

Sache Patshah was samrath, he had the shakti to complete Sache Patshah Sri Satguru Aadh Granth Sahib Ji

Plus the whole naamdhari tradition is a lie as their Guru, Jagjit Singh isnt even complying to the vachan which Sri Satguru Amar Das Ji made, and may I add, a Satgurus vachan is attal.

Naamdhari Guru, Jagjit Singh is a matharu, a tarkhan. And Sri Satguru Amar Das Ji gave vachan that the gurgadi would remain within the family.

Matharu doesnt seem to fit with Sodhi does it now!?!?!?!

all hell would break loose for namdharis if the gurgadhi was given (even though sache patshah is samrath gurdev) to Sri Satguru Granth Sahib Ji.

I suppose it would be too much of a sharam di gall, ke pehla sau saal sache patshah nu pitth kar ke hun, ohnadi hakumat mannini.

hai, when i voted it was on 194

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the ndtv new ramayan versian is ssooooooooooooooooooo cool

but still nothing beats the original ramamanand sagar version

amardeep im really surprised, your acting like an Idiot.

Do not underestimate the Shaheeds, if Chandi can be in the form of a Talwar why cant Shaheed Singhs fight with weapons?

Stop acting like a child...

oi, who the hell said i failed??????

not only that its like a drug for me, theres an anand in it which no other form of worship has.

thats wicked man

Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaluh!!!!!!!!

Sat Sri Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaluh!!!!!!!!

and iv heard that they should feed their babies a tigresses milk to make them like tigers

allah hu akbar!!!

oh no its happening to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

south indian religious movies are the best, their costumes are waaaaaaaay better than crappy north indian dramas. Especially shiva hes usuall all blue or green

with fibre ink pens