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  1. Business rivals had him murdered in Panjab. They were rich, because of fathers successful business. Yes, the last photo I saw of him I had gol dastar and was clutching a khanda. Maharaja wasn't lashed because of malechhpuna. Yes and yes. i think he read the wrong signals in being asked to stay the night, and tried his luck.
  2. There are a few sakhis from Sikh history where humans returned in animal form. Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Duni Chand and the sharaadh episode for example. Animals and plants live in the hukam of the "deh" they have been given. Their objective in that "deh" (form) is to see that body through until it dies. There is no karma attached to their actions through that jooni.
  3. Yes, I agree. What really got me about this event was that The family had alreadu suffered the murder of the father only about 1 or 2 years earlier, and Gagan was an only son as well.
  4. In the time I knew him, he was not amritdhari. Last time we met in person was about 6 months before he died. He didn't say anything about having taken Pahul then. The attempted assault took place months before his ghastly demise. Maybe he chose this path after things didn't work out with her? Yeah, here I agree with you. I don't know why. Maybe it's kalyug. There was talk of malechh puna entering the panth even during Panth Parkash.
  5. xtians believe that a human willl only be reborn as a human when the day of judgement comes, as do jews and muslims. Gurmat says that we enter all types of lives, plant, animal and human over and over until we get mukti. Our actions determine future karam and our karams are also affected by past life karams.
  6. What is there to be curious about? Did Guru Nanak Dev Ji die and then Guru Angad Dev was born? Why do you think the passing of Guru-jyot from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Angad Dev Ji is reincarnation? You provoked me ire when you refered to Khande ki pahul as "mere sugar water." If you want to learn, rethink your choice of words. First impressions count for a lot. You started off on the wrong foot on this forum. barmy karmy is a fake doctor, and a fake scholar. He was called out on sick parasite network over his posts but was too scared to respond. You can read further here : And we don't appreciate the same about our Guru's and Gurmat. You wasn't respectful, which is why you may find a berth there. They are barmy karmy supporters, and aren't respectful to the Guru's or Gurmat. They, karminder, that rat aman, and that fake gyani arshi, the rat gurcharan chan pardesi with his several facebook profiles are all cowards and can only block any member who exposes their lies and distortion.
  7. This accusation of attempted rape came from the defendents but the police also from screening his texts saw that something had happened. The news at the time was that Gagan was invited to stay the night at her flat but at some stage tried to get into her bed. She stopped him and it ended there. I knew Gagan personally, and i was really shocked to hear about his death. Even today I still think about him. He really was one clever, articulate guy. His feelings for the Panth and strategies for the new generation were really fresh. When we met a few times, he wasn't Amritdhari. I think towards the last few months of his life he took pahul. It was such a shame how assets from Sikh TV were taken and sold once he passed away, without any thought or concern for his family.
  8. The concept in the context you are using in too one dimensional. Gurbani is not. That is what is wrong. The "time" itself is not more divine as recorded time itself is a human endeavour. Japji Sahib tells us this clearly. No it doesn't refer to it "only." "mere" sugar water? You sound like a one of those from the sick parasite network. Who are you on that vipers nest?
  9. Well there goes your evidentiary perspective, in claiming that the earliest materialise 200 after Guru Sahib's birth. The first miracle in itself regarding "Sidh Gosht" was that the conversation itself happened. Because Bhai Gurdas Ji is not a liar. It isn't that important. It makes no difference to any Sikh of the Guru. To me, I beleive that Guru Sahib is capable of anything, miraculous or not. I'm curious as to why parasites on sick parasite network like the fake doctor and gyani, feel that it is very important to them that Guru Sahib did not perform any miracles. Is he? he talks so much trash about how the brahmans have done this, the nirmalas have done that etc. The guy is a liar. He cannot defend his own trash on sick parasite network.
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    Anger after Paath

    There is a guy who lives not too far from me. He is very quiet all the time now. I was told that he used to do a lot of naam simran and could feel the pressure inside his head. An elder told him that he should get his head massaged with oil regularly to alleviate this pressure, but the young man didn't heed the advice and soon after had some kind of breakdown because of the intense naam simran he was doing.
  11. Performing supernatural feats was nothing to the Gurus. They held that power in their hands. Naam Simran is not necessarily a physical act. It can be done mentally as well. This fake doctor, is not someone to take any guidance from. He distorts Sikh history and gurbani as and when he can. He has little understanding of Gurmat language. And here he is wrong. Gurbani is testament to reincarnation in the flesh ie the body dying and then another body being given. This fake doctor and his crew base their interpretations on anti-brahman thinking.
  12. I am also very disappointed that I had failed miserably to hit a personal goal that was to get to number 100 on the charitars by the end of the year.

    1. Soulfinder


      Veer ji its not your fault sometimes health can create blockages like i suffer from migraines headaces and its not nice when i miss my nitnem banis.


      I totally understand how and what you are feeling veer ji.

  13. Hi all! I am sorry for my absence from the forum for a month. I had my worst episode of sciatica soon after my last post here and it lasted past the new year. I could barely move and spent most of 3 weeks in bed. I'm a lot better now though. Akaaaalllluhhhh!

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    2. Soulfinder


      Veer ji thats really terrible how you had sciatica. Hope you are ok now. 

    3. tva prasad

      tva prasad

      Great to see your well and back, bro. :) 

    4. mahanpaapi


      Sorry to hear that ji, pray that you feel better with Satguru Maharaj Ji Blessings.

  14. chatanga1

    Sarbloh Granth

    No. Still wnat to stick to getting Charitars completed upto 100 by the end of this year. Have been too busy this week so will look at them again next week. Maybe look at this in new year.
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    Gurdwara Thamm Sahib

    photos I took of the historic Gurdwara Thamm Sahib. The Thamm that Guru Arjan Dev Ji built was destroyed by the Moghals in 1740s (i think) but the gurdwara was rebuilt again by Dal Panth. This used to belong to the Sodhis of Kartarpur under Baba Wadhbhag Singh but he gave it over to the Guru Khalsa Panth after Moghals took it over. There is nothing surviving from Guru Sahib's personal possessions here though. My Guru blessed my eyes and heart with a visit to this sacredplace. I didn't know there was so much history to Kartarpur. There are many other historic Gurdwaras here in close proximity inc where Guru Teg Bahadur was married to Mata Gujari, the chabucha of Guru Hargobind Sahib, the antim sanskar place of Mata Kaulan etc. I will put those up soon as well. Parts of the Qila (fortress) that Guru Sahib built is still there. It is under the control of the Sodhis of Kartarpur still.
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    Dhadrianwala Vs Great Sikhs

    I was watching this documentary and it seems that you were right about rocks giving rise to life.
  17. Looking at it again it may not be his official page.
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    Kartarpur Corridor

    I didn't know sidhu had a rift with Amrinder. wasn't captain the one who drew Sidhu to congress from BJP? Imran is ok isn't he? or do Indians not like him? What did the pak minister mean by that? Is captain following congress high command on this issue?
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    Kartarpur Corridor

    Its great news for any Sikh/Hindu who wishes to visit Sri Darbar Sahib, Kartarpur, but the political fallout is immense. All the regional parties and national parties are fighting with each over it. I don't know why they don't just celebrate the fact that we go to our beloved Guru's place openly after so many decades. @kdsingh80 bro, whats the deal between the political parties over the corridor?
  20. Am copying and pasting this from Anurag Singhs FB page : ਤ੍ਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਖਯਾਨ ਦੇ ਮੂਲ ਸਰੋਤ ਜੋ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਦੁਨੀਆਂ ਦੇ ਵਿਸ਼ਾਲ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਦੇ ਪੰਨਿਆ ਤੋ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਕਾਇਨਾਤ ਦੇ ਬੱਦਲਦੇ ਰੰਗ-ਤਮਾਸ਼ੇ ਦੀ ਤਰਜਮਾਨੀ ਕਰਨ ਲਈ ਮੁੜ ਲੋਕ ਭਾਸ਼ਾ ਵਿੱਚ ਪ੍ਰਚਲਿਤ ਕੀਤੇ। =========================================== ਇਸ ਮਹਾਨ ਰੱਚਨਾ ਦੀ ਗਹਿਰਾਈ ਤੇ ਭੇਦ ਸੱਮਝਨ ਲਈ ਸੱਭ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਸਿਰਲੇਖ ਦਾ ਵਿਖਿਆਨ ਕਰਨਾ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਇਸ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾ ਰਹੇ ਕੂੜ ਪ੍ਰਚਾਰ ਦੀਆਂ ਜੜ੍ਹਾਂ ਪੁੱਟਣ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਹਾਈ ਹੋਵੇਗਾ। ‘ਪਾਖਯਾਨ’ ਪ੍ਰਾਕ੍ਰਿਤ ਭਾਸ਼ਾ ਦਾ ਲੱਫਜ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਅੱਖਰੀ ਭਾਵ ਹੈ:(੧)ਕਥਾ ਜੋ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਜਾ ਚੁੱਕੀ ਹੈ,(੨)ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਕਹੀ ਕਥਾ,(੩)ਕਥਾ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਜੋ ਸਮਾਜਿਕ,ਧਾਰਮਿਕ ਤੇ ਸਿਆਸੀ ਛੱਲ-ਕੱਪਟ ਦੀ ਤਰਜਮਾਨੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੋਵੇ,(੪)ਲੋਕ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਜੋ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਸਮਾਜਿਕ ਤਬਦੀਲੀ ਲਈ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੋਵੇ। ਸੋ ਇਸ ਸੰਦਰਭ ਵਿੱਚ ਨਿੰਦਕਾਂ ਦਾ ਕੁਤਰਕ:”ਕੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਲਿੱਖ ਸੱਕਦੇ ਹਨ” ਨਿਰਮੂਲ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਨਿਦਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਮਲੀਨ ਬੁੱਧੀ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਵਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।ਤ੍ਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਾਖਯਾਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਥਾਵਾਂ ਹੇਠ ਲਿਖੇ ਸਰੋਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਵਿਸ਼ਵ ਸਾਹਿਤ ਤੋਂ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਿੱਖਣ ਦਾ ਮੌਕਾ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਗਿਆਨ ਸਿੱਖ ਲਈ ਜ਼ਰੂਰੀ ਹੈ। (੧)ਪੁਰਾਣਿਕ ਸਾਹਿਤ(ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ):੨੦ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੨)ਮਹਾਭਾਰਤ(ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ) :੨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੩)ਰਮਾਇਣ(ਸੰਸਕ੍ਰਿਤ) :੨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੪)ਪੰਚ ਤੰਤਰ:੨ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੫)ਹਿਤ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼:੪ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੬)ਕੁਰਾਨ ਮਜੀਦ:(ਅਰਬੀ):੧ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੭)ਬਾਈਬਲ:( ਲਾਤੀਨੀ)੧ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੮)ਚਾਰ ਦਰਵੇਸ਼(ਫ਼ਾਰਸੀ):੩ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੯)ਲੋਕ ਕਥਾਵਾਂ/ਦੰਦ ਕਥਾਵਾਂ:੫੫ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ। (੧੦)ਇਤਿਹਾਸਕ:੩੮ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ।
  21. chatanga1

    Is Sikhism a religion

    You are running away from answering questions as well, Mr Healthy Discussion.
  22. chatanga1

    Is Sikhism a religion

    I'm asking you again mr health discussion. where the word "Guru" is, in the original gurbani sentence.  The above question still stands. Healthy discussion..... I have given the Guru Sahib's definition of God as in the Mool Mantar. I am asking you to use science and logic to prove that definition of God as in the Mool Mantar. You replied with this effort: I don't know about them. I'm still waiting for answers from you for my previous questions. Don't use others as a shield for your own shortcomings. I don't care about your understanding. You have already distorted Gurbani at least 3 times on this forum explicitly and have been exposed. Quote directly from Gurbani where it says the above point number 1.
  23. chatanga1

    Is Sikhism a religion

    What's silly about it? Are we or we not having a "healthy discussion"? You said " I am asking you, where the word "Guru" is, in the orginal gurbani sentence. And my question to you is crystal clear. Where is the "Guru" in the orginal gurbani sentence? The above question still stands. Healthy discussion..... I have given the Guru Sahib's definition of God as in the Mool Mantar. I am asking you to use science and logic to prove that definition of God as in the Mool Mantar. I haven't mentioned the word "conflict" at all. I never said there was any conflict. You asked for a definition of God which I gave. I am asking you to use science and logic to prove that definition of God as in the Mool Mantar.
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    Sarbloh Granth

    Nowhere else for me. It's all on here.