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  1. Paintings of those centuries seem to show retreiver type hounds. There is a breed of dog found in the UK called "Afghan hound," whether its from Afghanistan or not I'm not sure. These dogs have taller slimmer bodies and have quick acceleration.
  2. Dennis, there are no open petitions on the govt online petitions page. On ChANge.org there is this but its addressed to Boris Johnson who was FS at the time. he is no longer at that post so it may not reach him. There are only 75 people who have signed it as well. https://www.change.org/p/boris-johnson-mp-free-jagtar-singh-johal
  3. Wanted to share this link for a good quality recording of Pracheen Panth Parkash. It is on gurmatveechar.com in audio/new katha/giani pritpal singh. http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/02_Present_Day_Katha/Giani_Pritpal_Singh_(Patiala_wale)/Pracheen_Panth_Parkash_Katha/Giani.Pritpal.Singh.(Patiala.Wale).-.Pracheen.Panth.Parkash.Katha.001.-.2016-06-18.mp3
  4. Good news for the forum. Our long time favourite Paapiman will be back soon. As soon as he is back i hope we can recommence the study of the charitars in Sri CharitroPakhyan Granth.

    1. Soulfinder

      Soulfinder

      Veer ji thats really good news as i missed our veer and was worried.

    2. dalsingh101

      dalsingh101

      Good to hear!

       

  5. I will start adding those here. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਮਹਾਰਾਸਟ੍ਰ ਕੇ ਦੇਸ ਮੈ ਮਹਾਰਾਸਟ੍ਰ ਪਤਿ ਰਾਵ ॥ ਦਰਬੁ ਬਟਾਵੈ ਗੁਨਿ ਜਨਨ ਕਰਤ ਕਬਿਨ ਕੋ ਭਾਵ ॥੧॥ ਚੌਪਈ ॥ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਮਤੀ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਪਟਰਾਨੀ ॥ ਸੁੰਦਰਿ ਸਕਲ ਭਵਨ ਮੈ ਜਾਨੀ ॥ ਅਤਿ ਰਾਜਾ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਬਸਿ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਜੋ ਵਹੁ ਕਹੈ ਵਹੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਕਹੈ ॥੨॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਮੋਹਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਪੂਤ ਸਭ ਦ੍ਰਾਵੜ ਦੇਸਹਿ ਏਸ ॥ ਮਹਾਰਾਸਟ੍ਰ ਪਤਿ ਨਗਰ ਮੈ ਗਯੋ ਅਥਿਤ ਕੇ ਭੇਸ ॥੩॥ ਚੌਪਈ ॥ ਜਬ ਰਾਨੀ ਤਿਹ ਓਰ ਨਿਹਾਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਯਹੈ ਆਪਨੇ ਹ੍ਰਿਦੈ ਬਿਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਜੋਗਿਨ ਯਹ ਰਾਜਾ ਸੋ ਲਹਿਯੈ ॥ ਭੇਜਿ ਮਾਨੁਖਨ ਯਾ ਕੌ ਗਹਿਯੈ ॥੪॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਭੇਜਿ ਮਾਨੁਖਨ ਗਹਿ ਲਯੋ ਲੀਨੋ ਧਾਮ ਬੁਲਾਇ ॥ ਦੁਹਿਤਾ ਦਈ ਬਿਵਾਹਿ ਕੈ ਜਾਨਿ ਦੇਸ ਕੌ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥ ਬਚਨ ਸੁਨਤ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਰਿਸਿ ਭਰਿਯੋ ਛੋਡਿ ਰਾਮ ਕੋ ਜਾਪ ॥ ਦੁਹਿਤਾ ਦਈ ਬਿਵਾਹਿ ਤਿਹ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਮਾਇ ਨ ਬਾਪ ॥੬॥ ਰਾਜਾ ਬਾਚ ॥ ਚੌਪਈ ਮਾਇ ਨ ਬਾਪ ਜਾਨਿਯਤ ਜਾ ਕੌ ॥ ਦੁਹਿਤਾ ਕਹੂ ਦੀਜਿਯਤ ਤਾ ਕੌ ॥ ਯਾ ਕੌ ਅਬੈ ਬਾਂਧਿ ਕਰਿ ਮਾਰੋ ॥ ਰਾਨੀ ਦੁਹਤਾ ਸਹਿਤ ਸੰਘਾਰੋ ॥੭॥ ਰਾਨੀ ਬਚਨ ਸੁਨਤ ਡਰਿ ਗਈ ॥ ਚੀਨਤ ਕਛੂ ਉਪਾਇ ਨ ਭਈ ॥ ਜਾ ਤੇ ਜਾਮਾਤਾ ਨਹਿ ਮਰਿਯੈ ॥ ਸੁਤਾ ਸਹਿਤ ਇਹ ਜਿਯਤ ਨਿਕਰਿਯੈ ॥੮॥ ਰਾਨੀ ਏਕ ਮੰਗਾਇ ਪਿਟਾਰੋ ॥ ਦੁਹੂੰਅਨ ਦੁਹੂੰ ਕਨਾਰੇ ਡਾਰੋ ॥ ਏਕ ਪਿਟਾਰੋ ਔਰ ਮੰਗਾਯੋ ॥ ਵਹ ਪਿਟਾਰ ਤਿਹ ਭੀਤਰ ਪਾਯੋ ॥੯॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਅੰਤਰ ਹੂੰ ਕੇ ਪਿਟਾਰ ਮੈ ਡਾਰੇ ਰਤਨ ਅਪਾਰ ॥ ਤਿਹ ਢਕਨੌ ਦੈ ਦੁਤਿਯ ਮੈ ਦਈ ਮਿਠਾਈ ਡਾਰਿ ॥੧੦॥ ਚੌਪਈ ॥ ਦੁਤਿਯ ਪਿਟਾਰ ਮਿਠਾਈ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਵਹ ਪਿਟਾਰ ਨਹਿ ਦੇਤ ਦਿਖਾਰੀ ॥ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਦ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਸਿਰੀਨੀ ਆਵੈ ॥ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਕੋਉ ਪਾਵੈ ॥੧੧॥ ਪਠੇ ਚੇਰਿ ਯਹ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ਬੁਲਾਯੋ ॥ ਗਹਿ ਬਹਿਯਾ ਸਭ ਸਦਨ ਦਿਖਾਯੋ ॥ ਹਮ ਕਾ ਤੁਮ ਤੇ ਨੈਕ ਨ ਡਰਿ ਹੈ ॥ ਬਿਨੁ ਤਵ ਕਹੇ ਸਗਾਈ ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ॥੧੨॥ ਰਾਨੀ ਬਾਚ ॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਚਿਤ ਕੋ ਸੋਕ ਨਿਵਾਰਿ ਕੈ ਰਾਵ ਕਚਹਿਰੀ ਜਾਹੁ ॥ ਤਵ ਹਿਤ ਧਰੀ ਬਨਾਇ ਕੈ ਚਲਹੁ ਮਿਠਾਈ ਖਾਹੁ ॥੧੩॥ ਚੌਪਈ ॥ ਛੋਰਿ ਪਿਟਾਰਿ ਪਕਵਾਨ ਖਵਾਯੋ ॥ ਵਹ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦ ਰਾਇ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਪੁਨਿ ਇਹ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਦਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਦੀਜੈ ॥ ਮੇਰੋ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਮਾਨ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਲੀਜੈ ॥੧੪॥ ਜਬ ਪਿਟਾਰ ਤਿਹ ਛੋਰਿ ਦਿਖਾਯੋ ॥ ਅਤਿ ਡਰ ਜਾਮਾਤਾ ਮਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਅਬ ਹੀ ਮੋਕਹ ਪਕਰਿ ਨਿਕਰਿ ਹੈ ॥ ਬਹੁਰੋ ਬਾਂਧਿ ਮਾਰਹੀ ਡਰਿ ਹੈ ॥੧੫॥ ਹੌ ਇਹ ਠੌਰ ਆਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਯ ਮਾਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਅਬ ਉਪਾਇ ਕ੍ਯਾ ਕਰੋ ਬਿਚਾਰਿਯੋ ॥ ਕਾ ਸੌ ਕਹੌ ਸੰਗ ਕੋਊ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਇਹ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤਾ ਕੇ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥੧੬॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ ਸਸਤ੍ਰ ਅਸਤ੍ਰ ਘੋਰਾ ਨਹੀ ਸਾਥੀ ਸੰਗ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਅਤਿ ਮੁਸਕਿਲ ਮੋ ਕੌ ਬਨੀ ਕਰਤਾ ਕਰੈ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੧੭॥ ਸਾਥੀ ਕੋਊ ਸੰਗ ਨਹੀ ਕਾ ਸੋ ਕਰੋ ਪੁਕਾਰ ॥ ਮਨਸਾ ਬਾਚਾ ਕਰਮਨਾ ਮੋਹਿ ਹਨਿ ਹੈ ਨਿਰਧਾਰ ॥੧੮॥ ਖਾਇ ਮਿਠਾਈ ਰਾਵ ਤਬ ਦੀਯੋ ਪਿਟਾਰੋ ਦਾਨ ॥ ਵਹ ਬਿਵਾਹਿ ਤਿਹ ਲੈ ਗਯੋ ਅਧਿਕ ਹ੍ਰਿਦੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਮਾਨਿ ॥੧੯॥ ਦੁਹਿਤ ਜਾਮਾਤਾ ਸਹਿਤ ਜੀਯਤ ਦਯੋ ਪਠਾਇ ॥ ਸਭ ਦੇਖਤ ਦਿਨ ਕਾਢਿਯੋ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਹਿ ਮਠਾਈ ਖ੍ਵਾਇ ॥੨੦॥ ਚੌਪਈ ॥ ਬਨਿਤਾ ਚਰਿਤ ਹਾਥ ਨਹਿ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਦੈਵ ਦੈਤ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨਹਿ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਨ ਕਿਸਹੂ ਕਹਿਯੈ ॥ ਚਿਤ ਮੈ ਸਮਝਿ ਮੋਨਿ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਰਹਿਯੋ ॥੨੧॥ ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਪਖ੍ਯਾਨੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਯਾ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰੇ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਚੌਰਾਸੀਵੋ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੮੪॥੧੫੧੦॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥ I'm beginning to think that as well. There just seems to be many layer/angles to it. Also the practice of illusion/camoflage/hidden strikes etc. It reminded me of the time Nawab Kapur Singh and a select body of Sikhs dressed as Muslims to enter a mosque where they had been told Zakaria Khan (I think) was going to perform his friday prayers.
  6. I'm not sure about that but I understnad where you are coming from. For me the thoughts of the young man in the casket tell me that he was certain his end had come. He was rueing the lack of facilities/options available to him when he was in a serious life-threatening predicament. Maybe that is something that the charitar also wants to reveal? Yes I'm beginning to think that the nature of the charitars has moved onto a more wider sphere.
  7. Lol. So you read all about the Sick Parasite Network and their distortion of history and Gurbani and made a beeline to there...
  8. reading this charitar, a few things come to notice: 1. The yogi has powers through jaadu but still cannot save himself from the King's stealth attack. 2. Why is the Queen allowing herself to be deprived of all her wealth? Surely she could have seen that the Yogi wouldn't have had the need for such wealth. And seeing as the King had killed him, did the Queen not wonder why do I keep getting requests from him, in writing, and never see him anymore? 3. The King killed the yogi and covered up the killing, but killed the Queen in a very drawn out way, depriving her of everything first. 4. Could the story tell about how the King killed the direct threat to his throne first, and then concentrated on lesser threats?
  9. Reading this, these thpoughts come to mind: 1. The Queen was acting independently of her husband in a crucial matter that should have concerned them both - the wedding of their daughter. The Queen acts unilaterally, as does Raja Chitar Sen with his death sentence on his child. 2. The Queen then in order to fulfill her quest of her daughter's marriage has to defer to deceit to bring her plans to fruition. Just as the Queen did in the root story (although she was not successful). 3. The idea of the the smaller casket within a larger casket, in order to fool the King is reflected in the state that the Queen in the root story presented herself to Raja Chittar Sen. 4. It was the King who gave the death sentence unknowingly in the root story and in this story, it the King who then orders the casket(s) to be taken from the palace and distributed to the poor - given in daan. Sending a daughter off to her inlaws is also called kanya daan. By his own order he sent his daughter away from the palace to be given away. 5. Another thought that came to mind was the King was a learned man, yet prone to outbursts. 6. The smaller casket is also packed with jewels as a dowry for the girl, meaning the Queen thought of every detail. Not just in getting the daughter out of the palace but providing for her life after that.
  10. No it wasn't the same day. There was something like 14 or 16 months difference between the dates.
  11. Business rivals had him murdered in Panjab. They were rich, because of fathers successful business. Yes, the last photo I saw of him I had gol dastar and was clutching a khanda. Maharaja wasn't lashed because of malechhpuna. Yes and yes. i think he read the wrong signals in being asked to stay the night, and tried his luck.
  12. There are a few sakhis from Sikh history where humans returned in animal form. Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Duni Chand and the sharaadh episode for example. Animals and plants live in the hukam of the "deh" they have been given. Their objective in that "deh" (form) is to see that body through until it dies. There is no karma attached to their actions through that jooni.
  13. Yes, I agree. What really got me about this event was that The family had alreadu suffered the murder of the father only about 1 or 2 years earlier, and Gagan was an only son as well.
  14. In the time I knew him, he was not amritdhari. Last time we met in person was about 6 months before he died. He didn't say anything about having taken Pahul then. The attempted assault took place months before his ghastly demise. Maybe he chose this path after things didn't work out with her? Yeah, here I agree with you. I don't know why. Maybe it's kalyug. There was talk of malechh puna entering the panth even during Panth Parkash.
  15. xtians believe that a human willl only be reborn as a human when the day of judgement comes, as do jews and muslims. Gurmat says that we enter all types of lives, plant, animal and human over and over until we get mukti. Our actions determine future karam and our karams are also affected by past life karams.
  16. What is there to be curious about? Did Guru Nanak Dev Ji die and then Guru Angad Dev was born? Why do you think the passing of Guru-jyot from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Angad Dev Ji is reincarnation? You provoked me ire when you refered to Khande ki pahul as "mere sugar water." If you want to learn, rethink your choice of words. First impressions count for a lot. You started off on the wrong foot on this forum. barmy karmy is a fake doctor, and a fake scholar. He was called out on sick parasite network over his posts but was too scared to respond. You can read further here : And we don't appreciate the same about our Guru's and Gurmat. You wasn't respectful, which is why you may find a berth there. They are barmy karmy supporters, and aren't respectful to the Guru's or Gurmat. They, karminder, that rat aman, and that fake gyani arshi, the rat gurcharan chan pardesi with his several facebook profiles are all cowards and can only block any member who exposes their lies and distortion.
  17. This accusation of attempted rape came from the defendents but the police also from screening his texts saw that something had happened. The news at the time was that Gagan was invited to stay the night at her flat but at some stage tried to get into her bed. She stopped him and it ended there. I knew Gagan personally, and i was really shocked to hear about his death. Even today I still think about him. He really was one clever, articulate guy. His feelings for the Panth and strategies for the new generation were really fresh. When we met a few times, he wasn't Amritdhari. I think towards the last few months of his life he took pahul. It was such a shame how assets from Sikh TV were taken and sold once he passed away, without any thought or concern for his family.
  18. The concept in the context you are using in too one dimensional. Gurbani is not. That is what is wrong. The "time" itself is not more divine as recorded time itself is a human endeavour. Japji Sahib tells us this clearly. No it doesn't refer to it "only." "mere" sugar water? You sound like a one of those from the sick parasite network. Who are you on that vipers nest?
  19. Well there goes your evidentiary perspective, in claiming that the earliest materialise 200 after Guru Sahib's birth. The first miracle in itself regarding "Sidh Gosht" was that the conversation itself happened. Because Bhai Gurdas Ji is not a liar. It isn't that important. It makes no difference to any Sikh of the Guru. To me, I beleive that Guru Sahib is capable of anything, miraculous or not. I'm curious as to why parasites on sick parasite network like the fake doctor and gyani, feel that it is very important to them that Guru Sahib did not perform any miracles. Is he? he talks so much trash about how the brahmans have done this, the nirmalas have done that etc. The guy is a liar. He cannot defend his own trash on sick parasite network.
  20. There is a guy who lives not too far from me. He is very quiet all the time now. I was told that he used to do a lot of naam simran and could feel the pressure inside his head. An elder told him that he should get his head massaged with oil regularly to alleviate this pressure, but the young man didn't heed the advice and soon after had some kind of breakdown because of the intense naam simran he was doing.
  21. Performing supernatural feats was nothing to the Gurus. They held that power in their hands. Naam Simran is not necessarily a physical act. It can be done mentally as well. This fake doctor, is not someone to take any guidance from. He distorts Sikh history and gurbani as and when he can. He has little understanding of Gurmat language. And here he is wrong. Gurbani is testament to reincarnation in the flesh ie the body dying and then another body being given. This fake doctor and his crew base their interpretations on anti-brahman thinking.
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