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MY confusion sadly. over what some percieve the devi to be, and her role or status in kalyug.

isnt this where the confusion arises? This seems to be saying that Dasam Pita was upaashik of tiger-riding Devi, or that Guru Jin would be happy that Sikhs are worshipping such devi? Hasnt Guru already told about their roles in Dasam Granth - 24 avtars and chandi bani's? Maybe the problem is the vedant approach?

That logic doesn't exactly follow either as the creation of the Khalsa is as Akal's own army, as Guru Ji has stated in Sri Sarbloh Darbar. Why would Guru give this status and then rely on the Goddess to fulfill it? as far as what i have read, and listened to on this this, the form of chandi was the sword, not the 8 armed devi. Chandi gives Dusht Daman the bachan that in kalyug i will protect you as the sword, not as the roop that she was in at the time ie 8 armed goddess. i think the main thing here is what does "devi" represent to us, individually firstly and then maybe as a panth. also as for the udasis focusing on shiv, i wouldnt really give that too much thought. Guru Nanak, the original udasi never did, and neithe rdid Baba Sri Chand. this shiv focus just didnt fit in with gurmat. unless Shiv Ji also gave Guru Ji a boon that in Kalyug,I will protect your followers as a bata of sukh nidhaan. i spoke to the mahant of Sant Ishar Das' dera jalandhar a few years agao. very disapponted.

navjot, why couldnt the gurus give a set idealogy? is there any point where any of the guru s gave an idealogy that was in contrast to previous gurus? what would gurmat be if the ideologies of the gurus never conformed to each other? can you elaborate on what Dashmesh pita intended? gurus denounced (as far as im aware) that empty rituals are worthless, so what is wrong with saying it? thanks in advance.

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sonia deol used to present network east on bbc 2 on saturday mornings in the 1990s. i think hardeep kohli was presenting as well. He was quite funny, she wasn't anything special. Still what if the BBC had got that air-head Narinder from BB to do it?

Harjas Kaur Ji, where there any war, grievance and rapes in hindustan before islam? can you show any gurbani which says that islam is the evidence of kaliyug?

harjas kaur ji, you write :"Sikhs were fighting the Mughal rulers and their Hindu collaborators who fought on behalf of Mughal occupation because they were bought with power, money and jagirs" Did our Guru's take birth to destroy or harm Islam? and you seem to think that all converts to islam were through force. can you clarify? please.

who were the rababis of Guru Gobinds Singh Ji's time, especially from Bhai Mardana's cul?

gogidal singh ji i am think, you, the me are being the bestest friends for this year. You are so special! chatanga.

i think you are going to be killed by Harjas Kaur for writing the above. Happy new year to you.

i was crying when i read this poor person's story. Lets help this poor uneducated or ill-educated brother, who needs help with his english. I am going to try and re-work his excellent posts in english, so that he can learn the correct, or at least a better way to write. who's with me for doing mahaan kirpa on this poor ill-educated person?

lol. you pessimist!

i dont think that Mah. Ranjit Singh actualy sideloined the nihangs, or am i wrong? i thought that he didnt want them at the van guard of the army, but not out altogether.

does anybody else love this guy?

is akhand paath of Sri Sarbloh not a regular event in dal panth?

so if i got myself a some meat and said to myslef " it was leftover anyway..." would that be ok? Afterall the animal is already dead and also i wouoldnt want it to go to waste. I wouldnt be able to live with myself.

firstly, Bibi Ji, thye hindus fought many wars between themselves and it was one party that invited the muslims to india. secondly, a lot of the lower castes converted to islam to escape the untouchability nonsense of the hindus. thirdly, sikhi came into existence to protect all mankind from wasting their human life. not to protect any one community. fourthly, you ask how can sikhs fight muslims and be a part of them, I wish you to clarify how the Sikhs fought against the hindu armies and can still be part of them. Who was Guru Gobind SIngh Ji protecting the Sikhs from? also if a muslim has to forsake the prophet and day of judgement to bow to the Guru, why can the hindus retain their idols and superstition whilst bowing their heads? I am so glad that you were the only one to respond to akaal das' copy and paste effort, cos you have really shown yourself to be a hypocrit! You bleat about how the muslims have treated the hindus, whilst ignoring how hindus have treated the sikhs. It is not extremism to tel any truth, but are you telling the truth? I know that you aren't. I am understanding your hypocrisy much clearer now.

Oh please Bibi Ji, the oppression of Kalyug was down to the muslims? Guru Nanak doesnt even talk about the falseness of the Hindus at all? that is crazy . but im glad you've posted that, it makes more sense of what kind of person you are. Not at all too different to the person who wrote the original post.

Bibi Harjas Kaur Ji If what you have written is true, why did Guru Nanak Ji need to take birth? People were already going to sachkhand if what you are saying is true. All the pre-sikh panths did eventually lead to God, but gurmat is Gaddi-rah to God. Gurmat rejects many of the hindu-muslim practices as futile and worthless, and non-pleasing to God.

would this vidya be something to start teaching to a 6 year old? or is there an ideal age to start learning? what is the youngest practitioner of SV in any Dal that any member has seen?

Bibi Harjas Kaur Ji, i nor anybody on this forum has defended what akaal das posted. Neither have I said that you are wrong either. I think that you have a very good debating technique and have great passion for sanatan dharma, which i subscribe to, upto a point though i may add. But nevertheless, you are making a very good and worthwhile stand on defending sanatan dharma on a sikh forum, while although it has been brought to your attention many times, you fail to do the same defence of Sanatan dharma ona hindu site. The same site that has called your Guru, the son of a hand-maid, the 5 k's useless, and more. It would be a very interesting experience for you and many members of this forum would be interested as well. I defenitely would.

bibi harjas kaur ji, can you point out where anyone on this forum has applauded what akaal das posted? No one bothered to comment on it, cos it wasn;t even worth it. Now tell me is us being silent just as bad as applauding akaal das' copy and paste effort from a numskull muslim site?

Bibi Harjas Kaur Ji, why are you barking up this tree and no so much of a whimper on the next? You obviously are very talented at debating, the place for your skills is that website where your mind wil be wonderfully opened. As for me being banned it wasnt for writing that any women, never mind hindu women are whores, but that my Guru was not the son of a hand-maid. You have a grievance with people writing against Hindus, not that i like it either, but you are strangley silent when it comes to people writing the same against Sikhs. What do you see when you lookin the mirror?

bibi harjas kaur ji. so nice to hear from you after so long. have you taken your superb arguments to the hindu-sikh brotherhood site? I've been banned from there, as I posted something they didnt like, so tey deleted my account. But they have a lot of insults about your Guru there. I think that is the forum where you need to air your: "Can you show where it says in Gurbani that Sikhs should attack and mock other religions? Please! Because I would like to understand your personal justification for writing anti-Hindu garbage like this," and replace the terminology of sikhs for hindus. I would like to see how my hindu brothers react to your reasoning. And please post he link here so we can all read it. Thanks in advance.