chatanga1

What have the 5 takhts been able to do for Gurdwara Dongmar, Sikkim, which was taken over 2 years ago by a Buddhist gang? Or even Gurdwara Gyan Godri, where Guru Nanak Dev Ji "fed" his fields with Ganges water? What about Gurdwara Arti Sahib, where Guru Nanak composed his famous Arti? Taken over in Orissa 2 years ago? Having your own asthaans doesn't equate to reach or influence. Buddha Dal has a biscuit factory that I'm aware of. So the burning question is, why haven't they?

Please list any members you know. No because the visas are all issued through the SGPC and no-one can just go and take control/care of any buildings there.

I haven't been on it for ages. I didn't know it had changed since. Can only be a good thing.

I thought they did all that themselves.

Sorry to say brother, but you seem to be very optimistic of Buddha Dal's reach and capabilities. They can, and have done nothing. But does that surprise you? In the last 2 years Gurdwara Dongmar in Sikkim (India) has been taken over by Budhists, yet no Buddha Dal there. The only 2 organisations that can do anything is SGPC and PSGPC. However the PSGPC is extremely weak, although the they have registered a case in Pakistan to get it back, but that, as in India, takes years. It's already been 4 years and no development. The only way is to highlight it, whenever and wherever we can. Unfortunately no, because SGPC controls all parcharaks from Panjab who go there, which means that no Samprdai has any influence ther.

No-one is letting anyone of the hook, least of all ourselves. They are worse than us, that can never be disputed but the whole scenario is not as black and white as that. The fact is that on the whole across India, Dalits in Panjab have a much better existence than Dalits outside Panjab. And what are they given to convert? The missionaries say "we will pay your school fees, for healthcare and for food" etc but they still receive little of what is promised. Just like how the Congress and BJP have promised them "atta and daal" schemes but ended up giving them nothing. My village is full of Christians who know nothing about Christianity, they are there for the few free things they get. Like some eggs on a Sunday after service. But that doesn't affect just Dalits. Thats a whole other issue affecting the Panth. And so is this. There are so many poor jat sikhs. Probably more jats kill themselves in one year than Dalits kill themselves in a decade in Panjab.

No mate, it's not. No one denies that, it does happen, and still happens. But nowhere on the scale on what happens in other states. Read that article and look at the statistics. I'm reminded of a friend of mine from a long time, a chamar, with a heart of gold really, was telling me about the time he and his brother went to Benaras, to see the birthplace of Bhagat Ravidas Ji, and how astounded he was at the treatment of dalits in that area. But why have the dalits in UP, who have been on the receiving end of some appalling and brutal treatment by the high-caste hindus, not left Hinduism and embraced Sikhi then?

Dalits are hardcore hindus whilst the hardcore hindus are in power. They follow and align with the power to save themselves. Quite simply the BJP will have promised to give the Dalits something extra alng the lines of Panjab Congress Party "atta and daal" scheme, and in reality give them nothing once they have secured their votes. You can read about this here: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/bjp-wins-dalit-support-with-social-engineering-double-ration/articleshow/90136627.cms To claim that Dalits are somehow footsoldiers in the Hindutva army is a stretch of the imagination that is given colour by our India-loving Sikh traitors. Don't beleive this hindutva tool. Dalits are on the receiving end of high caste violence every single day. Every single day. Read this article and look at the statistics: https://www.gonewsindia.com/latest-news/news-and-politics/8-dalit-women-get-raped-in-india-every-day-up-has-most-victims-19156

Quite a catchy tune tho!

She said that you beleive in flying horses...

This reminds me of listening to Panth Parkash granth lately of how Adina Beg came to the Sikhs and asked them to ally with him to fight Abdali, as well as forming an alliance with the Marhattas. A tripartite pact was agreed with the Sikhs easily being the smallest party. The Marhattas reneged on their pact but luckily Sikhs withdrew from the camp before Marhattas managed to attack them. Dalits. And who is there that will ally with the Sikhs? Most people around the world haven't heard of us or our troubles in Panjab/India. If you think about it, we Sikhs couldn't do anything to save Afghani Sikhs since 1992.

Yes it's refering to Ajit Singh Palit. I didn't know that he was given Darbar Sahib by the Emperor Bahadur Shah.

Haha, it's not that I'm not arsed. I'm just terribly busy with work and stuff so I don't get to post as much. I wanted to share this from the Banda Bahadar book: Who do you think it's refering to?

Got these books a few days ago. @dalsingh101 you mentioned a book concerning Banda Bahadur, was it the Rajasthani one?

I beleive that Ustad Harji nder Singh Lallie runs a class in Birmingham.

I say I can't stand that bihari farsi hybrid langauage.

I see. Any links to where we can read about that?

Thanks bro, I have uploaded it for anyone who wants to download it. Where can members find it @Neo ?

I was looking thorugh a PDF of the history of Amritsar and I found some further details of Bunge around Sri Darbar Sahib. I have added a screenshot of it. Is there any way of uploading a PDF to the forum @Neo ?

Bhagwant Maan was a very good comedian of his time though, so he some talent lol. He has given up comedy a long time ago though. Possibly 20 years. For Sikhs/Sikhi hopefully it will be a neutral rule. Congress and BJP wants to destroy Sikhs, Akali Dal Badal are destroying Sikhs in the grab of being its protectors. For AAP, I think they will be neutral, neither causing any harm to Sikhs, but most definitely not supporting any aspirations of autonomy for Panjab as per pre-partition pledges. I am personally hoping that Sikhs of Panjab will ask two cases to be re-opened under Maan's CM-ship - 1. the murder of Jaswant Singh Khalra by Panjab Police 2. the murder of Jathedar Gurdev Singh Kounke by Panjab Police Neither Amarinder Singh or Badal did anything about these two murders whilst they were in power. Badal promised to hold an inquest in Kounke's case but then reneged on that once he became CM. I think Sikhs should be glad that both frankenstiens are gone and at least give Maan some time to see where he tries to take Panjab. I hope that Maan sees that democracy has taken him to the chair of CM and that he also doen't use force to silence the freedom of speech that democracy gives when it comes to Sikhs of Panjab. This secular rule is what nehru purported to uphold in india whilst acting against the Sikhs all the time. He only lightened up after the bravery and sacrifice of the Sikhs during the Indo-China war. This secularism is nothing but a hoax in this indian state. I hope that Bhagwant Maan's vision of secular is actually secular.

Any reason why you shared this ? The urdu says "South Waziristan National Assembly Member Maulan Jamal Al-deen being arrested by Islamabad police..."

Happy Sikh New year to all brothers and sisters on this forum!

She sent the military into the frontier to curb the talibs activities and paid the price.

Yes. Sikhs are unabel to defend themselves from the tidal cesspit that is the indian state, why direct our energies in places where we will not make any neglible, if any difference at all pre and post outcome. Do you mean in intel gathering?