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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan   
    It was not a majority of Sikhs who voted Congress. The Congress vote is strengthened through the urban hindu and rural SC votes. It always has been.
     
    Because Sikhs wanted to show that in the face of external threats, they did not the internal forces to be weak.
     
    Same as when Guru Gobind Singh Ji, himself an idol-breaker,  asked the pahari rajas to form an alliance against the moghals, but the pahari rajas prefered to side with the moghals.
    Are you going to ask now why the hell did the Guru of the Sikhs do that?
     
     
    No and that was their main plank of failure. But it was a double sided sword. The Sikh leadership thought they could rely on the words on the next PM of India.
     
     
    Yes and the Sikhs found that out very quickly when Master Tara Singh was arrested for treason in 1949, and jailed.
    But in India even written things can be baseless. Like your PM Manmohan lying to the UN Human Rights Commission that no torture or extrajudicial killings were happening in Panjab. The same subject that Jaswant Singh Khalra talked about in his video. Today being the day in 1995 that he paid for with his life. And  you making up excuses to shift the blame to Sikhs and absolve your country and govt of any wrong doing. And you don't feel no shame about it either.
     
     
    So the question is why the Hindus took that level of trust and betrayed it. They knew our weak position and our reliance on them and they purposely backstabbed the Sikhs. And you get upset and cry over Sikhs burning their flag.
     
     
    Is that all you have to say Mr genocide apologist? some 30,000 Sikhs killed in false encounters. Thousands more unaccounted for. Your state giving those killers stars on their shoulders and stripes on their arms? And you beaming with pride at your countrys flag?
     
     
    Why are you so invested in it then? Why is your country so fearful and vindictive over it? The referendum is as phoney as the flag you love.
     
     
    Pendu's ? It was these same people who bore the brunt of torture and state murder. They have the same rights to freedom as all human rights do. Why would you want to deny them those human rights? You sound just like a moghal would. Or a nazi.
     
     
    Who cares if the PM of Khalistan would be practising or not. The issue is not of whether they practice or not. The issue is of freedom. Something you need to do with your own mind. Free yourself from that tiranga. Darbara Singh claimed to be a practising Sikh, but under his rule, torture was rife in Panjab. Modi could claim to be a practicing Hindu, but I can't Lord Ram Chander or Lord Shiva supporting his actions against minorities.
     
     
    And there you go. Your blindness and hatred means you see all Khalistanis as hot-headed. Says so much about you. You're no different from those snakes in delhi really.
     
     
    And whats wrong with that?
     
     
    Well AAP was given a chance in Panjab and they started well, but faltered very quickly. And thats why Khalistan Party won the Sangrur elections.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan   
    Because people's perceptions change. Simple as that.
     
     
    I'm comparing how Sikhs have always been loyal to this artificial creation called india, in the face of external threats. Says so much about you that I had to make it blindingly obvious.
     
     
    They are welcome to bring figures and factual accounts. No Sikh denies that Hindus were wrongly targeted and killed at some times, but facts and figures are always needed. The kind that Jaswant Singh Kalra brought.
     
     
    Many times. Maybe your eyes and ears were shut.
     
     
    Every indian political office has a photo of nehru or modi, who were responsible for deaths in their thousands. And BTW it is you people who still bow and treasure those photos.
    We won't put up a photo of this man you claim killed 329 people if you will take the photos of those men who killed thousands and thousands. Deal ?
     
     
    Conflict is one thing Mr Hindustani, state terrorism and oppression is another.
     
     
    Hold on Mr Rapistani. It was YOU or ME that started this thread of a Sikh thanking Pakistanis for their help with Panjab's floods, and compared it with Muslims threatening Sikhs in Pakistan?
     
    Is that peaceful debate? Then when you get labelled a kdRam you start crying? Typical dindu.
     
    I have attached ram to you name because you certainly don't deserve to use the name Singh. You and your kind of people are a disgrace to the Guru and Gurmat.
     
     
    And get jailed for nothing? Tortured? Why ? What did Jagtar Johal do that he has been in jail for 5 years now, whilst the indian state have yet to start his case?
     
    Jagtar is in jail and what have YOU done about an innocent man in the judicial system of your country?
     
     
    Typical hindu bhapa mentality. You have tried to tell these "not so highly educated villager" that they are hindus for the last 75 years? have they accepted that they are hindus? Or is it just you urban bhapa sikh (read hindu) types who have folded over and accepted it?
     
    Why are you and your kind acting as pawns for the indian state? All these hindu bhape crying over the tiranga yet none of are concerned about 1 sikh being in jail for 5 years?  Is that the acts of "highly educated people" or traitors?
     
    Well if you're not afraid of it, then why make threads like this in the first place? Why has you hindustan been complaing to Australian and Canadian authorities over it?
     
    And why are you afraid of Hindus in india? You side with them. You love their tiranga more than your own Nishan Sahib, You accept that you are in essence a Hindu, so why are you afraid of Hindus?
     
     
     
     
    Wow. Give this guy a round of applause.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    Not only Oxford but this particular paper was written by the Chair of Sikh Studies at Wolverhampton University - none other than Opinderjit Takkar. There's a reason. Obviously she does not care about kes and such, so tries to justify it with "Guru Granth Sahib doesn't say anything about kes etc"
    What are these people going to do for the future of the Panth. I'm worried.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Remembering Jaswant Singh Khalra   
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    Not only Oxford but this particular paper was written by the Chair of Sikh Studies at Wolverhampton University - none other than Opinderjit Takkar. There's a reason. Obviously she does not care about kes and such, so tries to justify it with "Guru Granth Sahib doesn't say anything about kes etc"
    What are these people going to do for the future of the Panth. I'm worried.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Remembering Jaswant Singh Khalra   
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan   
    What's stupid about thanking others who are helping thousands and thousands of people in flood stricken Panjab? The Pakistanis opened their floodgates to reduce the water level on our side of Panjab, flooding their own land in and around Kasur. What is wrong with that in your eyes?
     
    People who saw partition now have one last chance, a chance to the homes, villages, lands and towns that they grew up before they depart to the next world. What exactly is wrong with allowing that to happen?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin   
    If anybody is interested this is a link to the katha to our group effort on translation of these passages:
     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin   
    I have been listening to katha of Sri Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin and most certainly recommend it to members on this forum.
    SGGS Academy have done a great job of katha for this granth, and I have also come across this granth also which is beleived to be from Guru Gobind Singh's kavi darbar:
    "Prem Ambodh Granth"
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin   
    I have been listening to katha of Sri Gurbilas Patshahi Chhevin and most certainly recommend it to members on this forum.
    SGGS Academy have done a great job of katha for this granth, and I have also come across this granth also which is beleived to be from Guru Gobind Singh's kavi darbar:
    "Prem Ambodh Granth"
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    What do you think is being said in the paragraph ?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    What do you think is being said in the paragraph ?
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    Brothers and sisters, it's been a long time since I last visited. I think I must be the worst active participant on this forum lol.
    I am posting an excerpt from a book I have been reading and would like your views on the paragraph please. I wont share the book title or author yet though.
    Thanks!
     

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    chatanga1 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan   
    Thousands of Sikhs killed in Delhi, and majority of killers are still evading justice, yet our Sikh brothers in Delhi...
     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Jathedar condemns threat letters to Sikhs in Pakistan   
    Thousands of Sikhs killed in Delhi, and majority of killers are still evading justice, yet our Sikh brothers in Delhi...
     
     
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from paapiman in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    Brothers and sisters, it's been a long time since I last visited. I think I must be the worst active participant on this forum lol.
    I am posting an excerpt from a book I have been reading and would like your views on the paragraph please. I wont share the book title or author yet though.
    Thanks!
     

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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Soulfinder in Labels and their worth in Sikhi   
    Brothers and sisters, it's been a long time since I last visited. I think I must be the worst active participant on this forum lol.
    I am posting an excerpt from a book I have been reading and would like your views on the paragraph please. I wont share the book title or author yet though.
    Thanks!
     

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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Man acquitted in terrorist bombing that killed 329 people aboard an Air India flight off Ireland in 1985 is shot dead in his car in Canada in 'targeted attack'   
    No way! Teji Malik is Ripudaman Singh's brother? I would never have guessed that.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Eye Witness Account Of Amrit Ceremony Of 1699   
    in the oldest text of sikh history by Khazan Singh written around 1910, it mentions goats being killed, but i have not read it in any older texts.

    Also another traditional episode is that of Uch da pir, where most believe that Guru Ji himself was disguised as the Pir, whereas i have heard some preachers and one or two older sources say it was Pyara Bhai Daya Singh ji disguised as the pir.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Sikhs And Muslims ,big Losers Of Partition   
    this was the stance of the congress initially, because primarily, it was what the british had said would be best for india, which is why jinnah was originally with congress, but over time jinnah became convinced that nehru was only paying lip-service to this federal system, and became disillusioned with nehru and congress, upto the point where he was adamant that pakistan-hindustan was the only solution.

    nehru had no intention of committing india to a federal system, basically because he was powerhungry, who beleived that only he had the right answers. if nehru had not driven away jinnah, india's and the sikh's future would have been different.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Following All Rehatname   
    Kard is basically what we call kirpan today, and kirpan used to be what we call talwar today.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in How Do We Go About Starting Jhatka In The Uk   
    Rubbish! I was kesadhari for 17 years before I took amrit, and i would never hesitate to ask any shop/butchers if their meat was halal.

    On some occasions, it was, and i said thank you and left the premises.

    Dont jump to conclusions about meat-eaters. That is a very common trait of veggie warriors, to think that just cos we dont beleive in Gurmat as a vaishnav panth, that we must be totally devoid of compassion or even worse morals.

    Dont make that mistake ever again DSG.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in Disruption At Us Gurdwara   
    dalsinghji, i saw in wolverhampton town centre muslims doing the same parchaar thing. after seeing this, i asked a few sikhs, why dont we do the same but start off in Sikh majority areas, like Blakenhall etc, so we are targeting Sikhs, more than non-Sikhs to begin with. They all shit themselves.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in The Future Of Gurdwaras In Pakistan   
    OK, lets look at that as a starting point. The existing Sikh community in Pakistan. If us western sikhs were to match or exceed the pakistani sikhs' present income, they would be in more of a position to move. But lets say if there are about 200 gurdwaras that need a caretaker family to look after it, would you be able to find so many families willing to re-locate to another part of the country? and bearing in mind that some NWFP sikhs are pashtu speakers only, how would they cope in panjab? maybe if they knew urdu possibly.

    The sehajdhari sindhis are taking amrit in very very small numbers. their active participation would probably be a semi-long-term solution. But could they take of the gurdwaras as Sehajdhari Sikhs as well?


    You are absolutely right in that normal gurdwaras should nbot be our priority, especailly in the west, and even in panjab for that matter.
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    chatanga1 got a reaction from Premi in The Future Of Gurdwaras In Pakistan   
    No thoughts people?


    What about restoring Gurdwaras as places of historical interest only then? The buildings were restored but not functioning as Gurdwaras?

    LIke in UK how castles and stately homes are restored but belong to the Heritage Trust. They are not in use much, castles especially but essential to maintain from a historical point.

    Would you be happy, or even happier if this were to happen, than the present situation of the Pakistani Gurdwaras?
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