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so when guru arjan dev ji writes, "sab te vada satgur nanak", (ਸਭ ਤੇ ਵਡਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਲ ਰਾਖੀ ਮੇਰੀ ॥੪॥੧੦॥੫੭॥ highest of the high is satguru nanak, ang 749) , is guru arjan dev ji praising himself?

is it possible for you to put it up on site which can share big files? and then put the link here? i really want to have this recording

can it not be considered that brahma is a tool that created the creation. all the while realizing that brahma was created by the One Lord? As japji Sahib says: ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥ Ėkā mā▫ī jugaṯ vi▫ā▫ī ṯin cẖele parvāṇ. The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities. ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ ॥ Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā▫e ḏībāṇ. One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer. ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ ॥ Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ. He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order.

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Interesting shabad I came across by Bhai Gurdas Ji: ਭਲਾ ਬੁਰਾ ਸੈਸਾਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਜੋ ਆਇਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਰਪਰ ਮਰਣਾ । bhalaa buraa saisaar vichi jo aaiaa tisu sarapar maranaa| The evil and noble exist in this world and whosoever came here, has to die one day. * ਰਾਵਣ ਤੈ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਵਾਂਗਿ ਮਹਾਂ ਬਲੀ ਲੜਿ ਕਾਰਣੁ ਕਰਣਾ । raavan tai raamachand vaangi mahaan balee|arhi kaaranu karanaa| The brave persons like Ravan and Ram also became the cause and doers of wars. ਜਰੁ ਜਰਵਾਣਾ ਵਸਿ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਅਧਰਮ ਰਾਵਣਿ ਮਨ ਧਰਣਾ । jaru jaravaanaa vasi kari anti adharam raavani man dharanaa| Controlling the mighty age, i.e. conquering the time, Ravan adopted evil in his heart (and stole Sita).** ਰਾਮਚੰਦੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਧਰਮਹੁ ਸਾਇਰ ਪਥਰ ਤਰਣਾ । raamachandu niramalu purakhu dharamahu saair padar taranaa| Ram was a spotless person and due to his sense of dharma (responsibility), even the stones floated in ocean. *** ਬੁਰਿਆਈਅਹੁ ਰਾਵਣੁ ਗਇਆ ਕਾਲਾ ਟਿਕਾ ਪਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਹਰਣਾ । buriaaeeahu raavanu gaiaa kaalaa tikaa par tria haranaa| On account of wickedness Ravan went away (was killed) with the stigma of stealing another's wife. ਰਾਮਾਇਣੁ ਜੁਗਿ ਜੁਗਿ ਅਟਲੁ ਸੇ ਉਧਰੇ ਜੋ ਆਏ ਸਰਣਾ । raamaainu jugi jugi atalu say udharay jo aaay saranaa| Ramayan (the story of Ram) is ever firm (in the mind of people) and whosoever seeks shelter (in it) goes across (the world ocean). **** ਜਸ ਅਪਜਸ ਵਿਚਿ ਨਿਡਰ ਡਰਣਾ ॥੧੮॥ jas apajas vichi nidar daranaa ॥18॥ Dharma-abiding people earn glory in the world and those who undertake evil adventures get infamy. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, vaar 31, pauri 18) Commentary/Explanation * Line 1) Bhai Gurdas explains that there are good and bad people that come into this world, however everyone/everything that comes into this world is still bound by Death and ultimately everyone/everything will die. This being said this does not disvalue the role of Avatar's or Saints. Bhai Gurdas is just letting the reader know at the start that Nirgun worship is highest I think ** Line 3) Bhai Ji explains that Raavana conquered the world, his kingdom was unmatched. However he let Adharam, unrightousness, grow within his heart and he stole the wife of Rama, which was Sita. *** Bhai Gurdas Ji says that Rama Chandra was a pure being, and because of his following of Dharma (rightousness) stone rose up. This refers to when Rama went to Sri Lanka from India, stones floated up from the ocean and made a bridge from India to Lanka. **** This is a very interesting line because it resembles exaclty what Guru Gobind SIngh Ji wrote (i.e. Ram katha jug jug atal, sab koe bhakat neit). In the Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh Ji talks about Valmiki (the writer of the Ramayana, or story of Ram) On page 613, Guru Gobind Singh Ji says: ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਾਬਯ ਕੀ ਕਥਾ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਅਾਜ ਭਾਖੀਅੈ ॥ ਸੁ ਸਿੱਧ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਧ ਦਾਿੲਨੀ ਸਮ੍ਰਿਧ ਬੈਣ ਰਾਖੀਅੈ ॥ The story of his immaculate poem which is really wonderful accomplished and powerful; this story (Ramayan) is even re-composed today ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਿਰਮਾਲੀ ਮਹਾਂ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਕਾਵਯ ਕੱਥੀਅੈ ॥ ਪਵਿਤ੍ਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ੳਪਜੈ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਨ ਕਿੱਜੀਅੈ ॥ His poem is said to be extremely pure and each of its episodes is spotless, sanctified and marvellous. 6. ਸੁ ਸੇਵ ਕਾਲਦੇਵ ਕੀ ਅਭੇਵ ਜਾਨ ਕੀਜੀੲੇ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤ ੳੱਠ ਤਾਸ ਕੋ ਮਾਹਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੀਜੀੲੇ ॥ According to the instructions given in the Ramayana, we should ever be in the service of the Lord; we should get up early in the morning and remember His Name; ਅਸੰਖ ਦਾਨ ਦੇਹਗੇ ਦੁਰੰਤ ਸ਼ਤ੍ਰ ਘਾਿੲ ਹੈ ॥ ਸੁ ਪਾਨ ਰਾਖ ਅਾਪਨੋ ਅਜਾਨ ਕੋ ਬਚਾਿੲ ਹੈ ॥ Through the Glory of His Name, many enemies are killed and the charities of innumberable types are bestowed; that Lord, also keeping His name on our heads, protects the ignorant people like us.

If you truely believe this, why do you keep posting your beliefs and debating with others on this forum? Looks like you just announced your retirement. Goodbye.

whenever Khalsa Fauj gets into a corner without a response he says he is tired of this and wants to debate in person. then a few hours later he will post something else controversial. lol

whats interesting to note is, i may be wrong... but im preety sure when i was reading through sarbloh granth i did see the names, Shyaam aswell as the Das Gobind , Gobind Shah etc let me look thru it again and if i find it will post it

is there any part of the sections where Shyaam, Raam, Kaal are used that we also see the words Gobind Shah, or Daas Gobind ? That would surely be concrete evidence for the anti-dasam parties

Sorry, but thats just from what I saw in a brief period of time when I was in India. You definetly have spent a lot of time around the Dal so you could probably comment better but was it just me or do lot of Nihangs just wear that rope with the small kirpan on it when they are just relaxing? I think generally we can all agree Nihangs keep the most shastar around though

nihangs tend to believe that since they have their little punjshastar (very small shastars, the size of ones nail) in their dumalla, they are 'ok' for not keeping a kirpan on them whilst ishnaan and sleeping etc i guess thats a way of still being 'within' marayda, but i think lacks purpose of what the marayda was meant for , i.e. kirpan/karad was meant for self-defense, meant to be a shastar

in the shastarvidiya akhara they take off their kara's to train, because if they did not it would lead to serious injury. singhs take their kirpans off for airplanes, even mahapursh that come abroad i don't think its a big deal, i think there is a distinction between removing a kakkar like kirpan for a few minutes/hours for a purpose, and removing kesh (which is a bujjar kurehat) most people don't seem to think so, and that is the argument most people give.

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very nicely said however, it would be beneficial i think for people on the board to understand the definition of a sant. like, how do we recognize a sant?

photo was taken during a heat wave

thanks for the response mystical, very interesting

anyone have any information about him, he used to be one of the main mahants at hardiwar, in the past 50 years

For those are not familiar with the story of Baba Fateh Singh Ji dressing up in 'Mahakal' saroop, it was when he arrived in Guru Gobind Singh Jis Darbaar in the Mahakal saroop (form), by wearing blue bana, a tall dastaar, a farla, and decked with weapons. Now, literally the word Mahakal means Greater than Death, but also refers to Shiv Ji. Mahakal is a ferocious form of Shiv Ji. What got me thinking was when I read in Bijay Mukht Prakhash Granth*, Guru Gobind Singh Ji explains to the Sangat that Baba Fateh Singh Ji is the avatar of Shiv Ji (he also mentiosn how Baba Zoravar Singh Ji is the avatar of Indra). So when Maharaj said to the Sangat that he will make a panth that will look like Baba Fateh Singh Ji, (i.e. Nihangs), are Nihangs then the form of Shiv Ji? This goes back to the line in Sarbloh where it says... ਧਰਮ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਪ੍ਰਚੁਰ-ਭਯੋ, ਸਤਿ ਸ਼ਿਵੰ ਪੁਨਯ ਰੂਪ ਜੲੇ ॥ One interpretation of this line is... The sacred and pure Panth multiplied, having the true form of Parmeshar (Sat Shivan, here is translated as Parmeshar, which can be argued. Bhai Kahan Singh Ji in his mahan kosh does note that Shiv can also refer to Parmeshar. This is the appraoch that Jathedar Akali Baba Santha Singh Ji takes. or it can be seen that Sat Shivan in the line means the true Shiv (roop/form) Share your thoughts *Bijay Mukht Granth is an old sau saukhi, that some claim to be the oldest and most authentic sau sakhi. It was written by an attendant of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and talks about the daily conversations Guru Sahib had with the Sangat, i.e. questions the Sangat asked, or if Maharaj gave them any hukams etc

What an uneducated statement. The rap that you are most likely are talking about, gangster rap, was only came into being in the very late 1980's, 1989ish, and had its most famous raise in the 90s. At least that is when it appeared on the music market for sale. Even in those early days, from the late 1980's to the mid to late 1990's, gangster rap was usually done by black rappers who had grown up in rough conditions, and usually they were just speaking of their story, of how rough their living conditions are etc. Nowadays, rap has evolved to something else however.

kaam, (kaamaa in sanskrit) in the most literal sense means desire, and that can manifest in many ways, be it sexual, material, emotional

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so then for gristi sikhs, should they try to control their kaam or what

Jathedar Baba Santha Singh Ji also mentioned this in his katha, and this information is also found in the steek of Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib. (about Sarbloh Bunga)

Firstly it should be noted that Baba Inderjit Singh Rakhbe Vale, who learned from Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji, said that the Singhs always used to have Sarbloh Granth. When Maharaj completed/finished the saroop at Sri Hazur Sahib Nadar, Sarbloh Granth was read often by the Sikhs of that area. Sri Sarbloh Granth is well known to the Hazori Sikhs. However you are right that it was not well known back in Punjab, because the only people that brought it back were the Nihungs. And even when they did get back, they weren't so keen on spreading that particular granth. I believe only Bhai Kahan Singh and a few other gianis of the time refer to it as Sukha Singhs work. Akali Kaur Singh amongest many other very prominent Sikhs mantained a high faith in Sri Sarbloh Granth. I have in my notes a list of a few people who said it was Sukha Singhs work and the prominent Sikhs who believed it was Gurbani. Will post that soon.

I fortantely had the blessings of meeting Baba Inderjit Singh Ji randomly at the Toronto Nagar Kirtan on May 3rd. We did some bachan bilas, he is staying with a relative I think in Markham (on the outskirts of toronto). Will hopefully be spending time with him in the next week, so if you have questions for him, maybe I could record them for sangat.