Mr Sardar

Sau Sakhi download - http://www.globalsikhstudies.net/pdf/sau%20sakhi.pdf

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Rumis descendent is alive today his name is shaykh abdul kerim haqqani

The name Mowlana Jalaluddin Rumi stands for Love and ecstatic flight into the infinite. Rumi is one of the great spiritual masters and poetical geniuses of mankind and was the founder of the Mawlawi Sufi order, a leading mystical brotherhood of Islam.

Rumi was born in Wakhsh (Tajikistan) under the administration of Balkh in 30 September 1207 to a family of learned theologians. Escaping the Mongol invasion and destruction, Rumi and his family traveled extensively in the Muslim lands, performed pilgrimage to Mecca and finally settled in Konya, Anatolia, then part of Seljuk Empire. When his father Bahaduddin Valad passed away, Rumi succeeded his father in 1231 as professor in religious sciences. Rumi 24 years old, was an already accomplished scholar in religious and positive sciences.

He was introduced into the mystical path by a wandering dervish, Shamsuddin of Tabriz. His love and his bereavement for the death of Shams found their expression in a surge of music, dance and lyric poems, `Divani Shamsi Tabrizi'. Rumi is the author of six volume didactic epic work, the `Mathnawi', called as the 'Koran in Persian' by Jami, and discourses, `Fihi ma Fihi', written to introduce his disciples into metaphysics.

If there is any general idea underlying Rumi's poetry, it is the absolute love of God. His influence on thought, literature and all forms of aesthetic expression in the world of Islam cannot be overrated.

Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi died on December 17, 1273. Men of five faiths followed his bier. That night was named Sebul Arus (Night of Union). Ever since, the Mawlawi dervishes have kept that date as a festival.

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There are aspects of his poetry which look similar to bani like he has a poem I read which looked like shabad hazare the thing about rumi is he claimed divine revelation according to muslims most do not believe it to be but still take it as something worthwhile the poems develop upon previous taswuuf sufi persian (aryan- indian theological aspects) which have started from islam and moved forward there are so many poems which look like gurbani. Gurbani also has the theme of being divine revelation and the messages are somewhat the same rumi influences later sufis such as sheikh farid and many who shaped punjab and it's literature and culture.
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Jelaluddin Rumi was born in the region today known as Afghanistan in 1207. His family fled the Mogul invasion to Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life.

Rumi following in his fathers ancestoral line became a scholar until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz. Of this meeting Rumi said, "What I had thought of before as God, I met today in a person."

After Shams, Rumi's other strong influences were Saladin Zarkub, the goldsmith, and later his scribe, Husam.

His poetry filled with a longing to be with the Friend, Him, or You. Are these mysterious pronouns the names of God, Shams, or who? This is for you, the reader to ponder.

Rumi founded the Mevlevi Order of dervishes, better known as the Whirling Dervishes of Sufism. Through a turning movement, body posturing, mental focus, and sound, the dervish achieves ecstasy through union with God.
Once a secret society, today the Mevlevi tour the world allowing audiences to witness the ceremony of their sacred dances and music.


It is also interesting to note that similar to other major religions, Islam frowns upon dancing and using words such as "gamble," "drunk," and "wine" which you find throughout Rumi's and other great Islamic and Sufi poets writings. Obviously they mean "drunk" on God's grace, but that's not to say they wouldn't be outcast by religious fundamentalists today.


The idea of drink drunk are understood in gurbani as ras, amrit and so forth.

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From my understanding sikhism propagates procreation within grist jeevan but according to hindu understanding as well as Buddhist understanding it some what understood that sexual activity weakens the body and somewhat the souls state; it is said before guru gobind singh went to sach khand he was brahmcharia- a celibate. Many propagate under hindu philisophy that great spirtual power is available by remaining celibate; is there such a notion in sikhism that even within marriage one should refrain from physical relations for some periods of time such that one does not seek a child; or would you say physical relations increase our spirituality? Other then that what disruptions can promiscuity and masturbation cause spiritually? Also is there any advice on how one would curb lust in the pursuit of celibacy in the west? The east is full of celibates is there some special conditioning of the mind one can do? I find in modern society open sexual behaviour has become very normal but apart from buddhism and hinduism giving showing negativities associated with that what kind of negativies of (illnesses/rogs/dukh/diseases) occur? 3HO teaches that sexual energy is creativity energy and it is such to use it to create art and many productive things instead of using it destructively. One may see it reducing the human lifespan drastically, perhaps causing impotency at early stages of life (sterility and loss of sexuality). Or can we assert that the nature of the west is to more sexually oriented where eastern philosophy is against it.

Thing is zakir naik's views are quite extreme not every muslim agrees with these views as some haddiths are unauthentic so people have different views rape in islam was haram. This is probably why in 1947 sikh women were raped in the millions due to those writings.

Whaeguru Ji Ka Khalsa Whaeguru Ji Ke Fateh Ji

Dear all, I would like to ask what motivates you to pray (whence what should one use to motivate self), perhaps from gurmat someone could answer this and elborate on such a thing, do we pray because we suffer and desire happiness- but does this not conflict itself because a GurSikh should accept dukh and sukh as the same, and sukh is a rog it will make us forget God. Do we pray because we desire to go to heaven, is that not greed in itself? Or do we pray for wordly things, xbox360, girls, good grades, money, cars, offspring, houses, prosperity (maya) which in effect will break us away from God? Do we pray because someone has forced us to, if such a thing happens is it really prayer if its not from the heart? I was once quote a line from either Baba Farid ji or Baba Kabir ji on how desire brings us close, so by offering food in langar it brings people closer to come for God, so by giving food in Gurdwara its not a bad thing (bribery), please could someone give that line of gurbani or similar. Please give personal and impersonal answers. Is the idea of gain the opposite of what Sikhs should be doing should we not be perusing sacrifice instead, if such a case what brings one to do such. How does one accept the true will of God (satgur da panne)?

Thanks

Bhul Chuk maaf Karna


Whaeguru Ji Ka Khalsa Whaeguru Ji Ke Fateh Ji

From my understanding sikhism propagates procreation within grist jeevan but according to hindu understanding as well as Buddhist understanding it some what understood that sexual activity weakens the body and somewhat the souls state; it is said before guru gobind singh went to sach khand he was brahmcharia- a celibate. Many propagate under hindu philisophy that great spirtual power is available by remaining celibate; is there such a notion in sikhism that even within marriage one should refrain from physical relations for some periods of time such that one does not seek a child; or would you say physical relations increase our spirituality? Other then that what disruptions can promiscuity and masturbation cause spiritually? Also is there any advice on how one would curb lust in the pursuit of celibacy in the west? The east is full of celibates is there some special conditioning of the mind one can do? I find in modern society open sexual behaviour has become very normal but apart from buddhism and hinduism giving showing negativities associated with that what kind of negativies of (illnesses/rogs/dukh/diseases) occur? 3HO teaches that sexual energy is creativity energy and it is such to use it to create art and many productive things instead of using it destructively. One may see it reducing the human lifespan drastically, perhaps causing impotency at early stages of life (sterility and loss of sexuality). Or can we assert that the nature of the west is to more sexually oriented where eastern philosophy is against it.

ਅਵਲਿ ਅਲਹ ਨੂਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਕੇ ਸਭ ਬੰਦੇ ॥
अवलि अलह नूरु उपाइआ कुदरति के सभ बंदे ॥
Aval alah nūr upā▫i▫ā kuḏraṯ ke sabẖ banḏe.
First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.

ਏਕ ਨੂਰ ਤੇ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਕਉਨ ਭਲੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਦੇ ॥੧॥
एक नूर ते सभु जगु उपजिआ कउन भले को मंदे ॥१॥
Ėk nūr ṯe sabẖ jag upji▫ā ka▫un bẖale ko manḏe. ||1||
From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||

ਲੋਗਾ ਭਰਮਿ ਨ ਭੂਲਹੁ ਭਾਈ ॥
लोगा भरमि न भूलहु भाई ॥
Logā bẖaram na bẖūlahu bẖā▫ī.
O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.

ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਖਲਕ ਮਹਿ ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਸ੍ਰਬ ਠਾਂਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
खालिकु खलक खलक महि खालिकु पूरि रहिओ स्रब ठांई ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Kẖālik kẖalak kẖalak mėh kẖālik pūr rahi▫o sarab ṯẖāʼn▫ī. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

ਮਾਟੀ ਏਕ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਾਜੀ ਸਾਜਨਹਾਰੈ ॥
माटी एक अनेक भांति करि साजी साजनहारै ॥
Mātī ek anek bẖāʼnṯ kar sājī sājanhārai.
The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.

ਨਾ ਕਛੁ ਪੋਚ ਮਾਟੀ ਕੇ ਭਾਂਡੇ ਨਾ ਕਛੁ ਪੋਚ ਕੁੰਭਾਰੈ ॥੨॥
ना कछु पोच माटी के भांडे ना कछु पोच कु्मभारै ॥२॥
Nā kacẖẖ pocẖ mātī ke bẖāʼnde nā kacẖẖ pocẖ kumbẖārai. ||2||
There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||

ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਸਚਾ ਏਕੋ ਸੋਈ ਤਿਸ ਕਾ ਕੀਆ ਸਭੁ ਕਛੁ ਹੋਈ ॥
सभ महि सचा एको सोई तिस का कीआ सभु कछु होई ॥
Sabẖ mėh sacẖā eko so▫ī ṯis kā kī▫ā sabẖ kacẖẖ ho▫ī.
The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made.

ਹੁਕਮੁ ਪਛਾਨੈ ਸੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ਬੰਦਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਈ ॥੩॥
हुकमु पछानै सु एको जानै बंदा कहीऐ सोई ॥३॥
Hukam pacẖẖānai so eko jānai banḏā kahī▫ai so▫ī. ||3||
Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||

ਅਲਹੁ ਅਲਖੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਲਖਿਆ ਗੁਰਿ ਗੁੜੁ ਦੀਨਾ ਮੀਠਾ ॥
अलहु अलखु न जाई लखिआ गुरि गुड़ु दीना मीठा ॥
Alhu alakẖ na jā▫ī lakẖi▫ā gur guṛ ḏīnā mīṯẖā.
The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.

ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਮੇਰੀ ਸੰਕਾ ਨਾਸੀ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਡੀਠਾ ॥੪॥੩॥
कहि कबीर मेरी संका नासी सरब निरंजनु डीठा ॥४॥३॥
Kahi Kabīr merī sankā nāsī sarab niranjan dīṯẖā. ||4||3||
Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||