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  1. dalsingh101

    Letters Of Indian Soldiers Of World War 1

    They say you never stop learning..... I first posted this over 7 years ago, and in all honesty (I can now say) I don't think I really grasped certain implications of what I read back then. If you analyse the above extract it really paints a sad picture that illustrates the dynamics and realities of imperialism outside of propaganda. Look at this 'Zaildar'. The poor guy had just lost his infant daughter. He appears to be suicidal: "If my life would depart, that would be the best solution of the difficulty!" Despite this, his superiors are ruthlessly riding him in this obviously distressing time and demanding that he enlists even more men for the war effort despite his personal loss, threatening to remove his livelihood if he fails. Really heartless.
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    Letters Of Indian Soldiers Of World War 1

    A lot about WW1 soldiers in the media these days. So I thought I'd bump this old thread up.
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    Japji Sahib English translation

    Good to see you back. Glad to hear you are well sis!
  4. I should add. It may be that some of the chariters about Shah Jehan might be from Bahar Danesh.
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    What do you think about giani thakur singh

    I think Giani Thakur Singh is one the best orators of katha we've had in a long while. I do think he needs to exercise much more and lose weight though. His weight problem seems to be getting worse and worse. I learnt more about santhiya from listening to his audios than anyone else. As for trying to kiss a women. I'm confused about this. Yes, it's wrong for a married man to do this, but in the context of all the other gundh and greed that goes on around us (including in our panth), I actually find it hard to think this is something major. Distasteful - yes. But we've seen apnay do a lot worse.
  6. This is a very interesting and significant change in my opinion.
  7. Is this alluding to Radha's overpowering love for Krishna. An obsession that made her forsake everything, even her parents. Is this a subtle nod to how humans (inc. women) can be overwhelmed by their attraction to someone, and keep it hidden from all? If the instruction to know the female mind comes up a few times in CP, is this an illustration of an aspect of this? Also I think we are very likely missing important nuances when we solely use the English adaptation.
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    Ate meat by accident

    Okay, but the flipside is true as well. The majority Hindu culture also tried to wrap itself around Sikhi and erode or blur very important differences between Sikh mat and Hindu mat. Singh Sabha went gradually from one extreme to the other. A lot of this was down to creating docile sepoys for the imperial army (in that they wouldn't question the fact that their homeland was occupied and that they had lost their political independence), or at least moulding them in a way that brits found acceptable. If Sikhs removed idols from Harmandir Sahib, for instance, it was a good thing. Yes, some of our writers of the past were heavily influenced by their previous beliefs and this influenced their works. Amidst all the tumult of the early wars with the Moghuls/Persians/Afghans SIkhs (rightly in my mind) probably thought that dealing with these issues weren't as pressing as the immediate life and death struggle they were facing. Sikhs DO have a distinct identity/culture - it's just the way SS pursued this pushed a lot of Sikhs into another territory altogether.
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    Ate meat by accident

    Cool. You know I've always found that when we start looking deeper into these non Singh Sabha sources, we get a wealth of otherwise suppressed information regarding our history. Giani Gian Singh is a legend.
  10. I read an edited version a long time ago. I've still got it laying around somewhere. I'd like to read the unedited first edition sometime and compare it to later editions. Cuningham seemed like an honourable man. I think he was somewhat disgusted with the duplicity shown by his own side in the Sikh-Anglo wars and expressed this in his work - and boy did they make him pay for it! You're right, it was the british that were the real cause of the war, and he says as much. Broadfoot was brought in to aggressively aggravate Sikhs to try and make them start a war, but he got his on the battlefield. Long before the war, Frenchman Jacquemont (I think?) explicitly told M. Ranjit Singh and the darbar of british designs on Panjab, and even outlined their strategy for it. I'll try and dig that quote out too if I can. Not really read anything about the Indo-pak wars myself. Hey Chatanga, do you fancy a bit of translation? I've been meaning to find and translate a section of Suraj Prakash that I first heard in a katha video by Sant Ishar Ji. Let me know if you are up for it. It'll probably be a better use of our time than most of the other internet crap going on.
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    Ate meat by accident

    Why don't you post the whole source with a page reference point? You've been on this forum for years. You know we have these standards.
  12. Look at this! Going for $4800! https://www.baumanrarebooks.com/rare-books/cunningham-joseph-davey/history-of-the-sikhs/89967.aspx I've always wondered what the first edition covered that caused so much upset in the colonialist establishment of the time? “ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE BOOKS EVER PUBLISHED IN CONNECTION WITH INDIAN HISTORY”: RARE FIRST EDITION OF CUNNINGHAM’S HISTORY OF THE SIKHS, 1849, HANDSOMELY BOUND (INDIA) CUNNINGHAM, Joseph Davey. A History of the Sikhs, from the Origin of the Nation to the Battles of the Sutlej. London: John Murray, 1849. Octavo, modern full brown calf, raised bands, burgundy morocco spine label.$4800. First edition, with map of Punjabi political divisions until 1803 outlined in color, color folding map of Punjabi political divisions after the treaty of 1846, and folding genealogical table of the Gooroos, handsomely bound. Cunningham joined the Bengal Engineers in 1831 and arrived in India in 1834. “In 1837 he was selected by Lord Auckland to join Colonel Claud Wade, who was then the political agent upon the Sikh frontier, as assistant, with the special duty of fortifying Firozpur, the agent’s headquarters. This appointment brought him into close connection with the Sikhs, and, as he spent the next eight years of his life in political employments in this part of India, he was able to obtain that thorough knowledge of their manners and customs which makes his History of the Sikhs one of the most valuable books ever published in connection with Indian history. In 1838 he was present at the interview between Lord Auckland and Runjeet Singh, the great Sikh chieftain; in 1839 he accompanied Colonel Wade when he forced the Khyber Pass, and he was promoted first lieutenant on 20 May in that year; in 1840 he was placed in charge of Ludhiana, under G. Russell Clerk, Colonel Wade’s successor, and as political officer accompanied Brigadier-general Shelton and his army through the Sikh territory to Peshawur on his way to Cabul, and then accompanied Colonel Wheeler and Dost Muhammad, the deposed ameer of Afghanistan, back to British territory; in 1841 he was sent on a special mission to the principality of Jammu; in 1842 he was present at the interview between Lord Ellenborough and Dost Muhammad and the Sikhs… He spent four years on [the History], and on its publication in 1849 it was received with the greatest favor by the English press, a verdict which posterity has ratified, for it is universally recognized as the one authority upon the subject. But though this history made his name as an historian, it brought him into deep disgrace with his superiors. In his last chapter he treated of the history of the first Sikh war, and in it he made use of the knowledge he had obtained while acting as political agent with the army in the field, and distinctly asserted that two of the Sikh generals, Lal Singh and Tej Singh, were bought. Both Lord Hardinge and Colonel Henry Lawrence, who had acted as political agent after the death of Major Broadfoot, asserted that there had been no private negotiations with any of the Sikh leaders; but the confidential position which Cunningham had held, and still more his disgrace which followed, are strong arguments that such negotiations did pass” (DNB). As a result of the controversy, Cunningham was stripped of his authority and ordered to go on regular regimental duty. He lost most of his income in the process and any possibility of political advancement. Indeed, the publication of The History of the Sikhs marked the end of his career. He was known primarily for revealing confidential documents and his great accomplishments were little recognized, The History of the Sikhs having been largely suppressed. Cunningham died unexpectedly in 1851. Indeed, the second edition—featuring Cunningham’s own corrections and additions—was not published until 1853, too late for Cunningham’s reputation to matter. Folding map expertly linen-backed, interior generally quite nice, binding fine. A lovely copy in fine condition.
  13. dalsingh101

    Ate meat by accident

    It would be nice if you could share such sources in their original form.
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    Panjabi Vocabulary Builder Thread

    ਹਰਫ਼ੀ - literal (This word seems Persian to me?)
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