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  1. I think it is like this because it is used to recondition the munh. Repetition in various different ways can achieve that. It's like when you are trying to teach someone something (who isn't that sharp). You have to keep repeating stuff over time using different examples until it becomes imbibed.
  2. Note Bhai Gurdas's vaars (27) on the subject of the traditional tales of these folklore lovers (heads up, I know a few more of those mentioned in the below vaars are going to turn up in the chariters shortly): ਲੇਲੈ ਮਜਨੂੰ ਆਸਕੀ ਚਹੁ ਚਕੀ ਜਾਤੀ। The lovers Lana and Majanu are well known in all the quarters of the world. ਸੋਰਠਿ ਬੀਜਾ ਗਾਵੀਐ ਜਸੁ ਸੁਘੜਾ ਵਾਤੀ। The excellent song of Sorath and Bija is sung in every direction. ਸਸੀ ਪੁੰਨੂੰ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਹੁਇ ਜਾਤਿ ਅਜਾਤੀ। The love of Sassi and Punnü, though of different castes, is everywhere spoken of. ਮੇਹੀਵਾਲ ਨੋ ਸੋਹਣੀ ਨੈ ਤਰਦੀ ਰਾਤੀ। The fame of Sohni who used to swim the Chenab river in the ht to meet Mahival is well known. ਰਾਂਝਾ ਹੀਰ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ਓਹੁ ਪਿਰਮ ਪਰਾਤੀ। Ranjha and Hir are renowned for the love they bore each other. ਪੀਰ ਮੁਰੀਦਾ ਪਿਰਹੜੀ ਗਾਵਨਿ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ॥੧॥ But superior to all is the love the disciples bear their Guru.They sing it at the ambrosial hour of morning.
  3. @chatanga1 You know we were looking for links between chariters (well I was anyway), I just searched 'Heer Ranjha' [whose narrative comes after this chariter] in PDL and noticed this in a contents page of a book by Sant Singh Sekhon which explores Waris Shah's lyrics: To me it seems like these narratives in CP are connected in a way we've forgotten and we need to rediscover today?
  4. I've heard of a piece called Jangnama by Ani Rai which is supposed to be an account of one of Guru ji's battles. I've never come across it, has anyone here ever read it?
  5. If we started going through these from the beginning again,I suspect that we might start finding links between the chariters like we have been recently. Maybe we should pause for second and try and draw some general conclusions on what we have encountered thus far?
  6. The 3 maulvis are the raja's mantris I think (this is not clear in the English translation but implied in the Panjabi one).
  7. ਦੇਵਰਾਜ ਜਿਹ ਦੈਤ ਕੌ ਜੀਤ ਸਕਤ ਨਹਿ ਜਾਇ ॥ The devil, which could not be eliminated by superior human beings, ਸੋ ਅਬਲਾ ਇਹ ਛਲ ਭਏ ਜਮ ਪੁਰ ਦਯੋ ਪਠਾਇ ॥੧੩॥ Was despatched to the domain of death through the clever Chritar of the woman.(13)(1) Another link to the previous chariters seems to be ਦੇਵਰਾਜ which is another name for indra apparently?
  8. One lesson seems clear. Even if you are a very strong man, if you get the wrong women in your inner circles, she can cause your demise even if lots of other strong men couldn't.
  9. At this point I'm really realising how the English translation is seriously wanting. Note how ਅਬਲਾ is defined as: English Translation adj.f. weak, powerless; n.f. woman, esp. lady in distress. Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ. ਨਾਰੀ। (2) ਵਿ- ਦੁਬਲੀ. ਕਮਜ਼ੋਰ। (3) ਅ਼. __ ਮੂਰਖ. ਬੁੱਧਿ ਰਹਿਤ.
  10. Have you heard of Kapil Muni before? I haven't. What have you heard about the connection between these two Chatanga?
  11. Who was Kapil Muni? http://jyotirlingatemples.com/article/id/1458/temple/204/legend-of-kapila-muni https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Kapila
  12. Notice how this line is not translated: ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਾਥ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਉਠਾਏ ॥ Never heard of muslims being called ਖੁਦਾਈ (Khudaee) before. I think this shows how some Muslims use accusations of blasphemy against the prophet for nefarious, personal reasons. Notice how the people gloat about having done this to many people previously in Peshawar. Here, the women was able to expose this through the use of spies, and the subsequent punishment meted out to the extortionists was enough to change the dynamic between Hindus and Muslims. I made a point about the chariter a few chariters back ending with a point about punishment and wondered if this was going to be elaborated on subsequently. And here we have a tale about punishment and how it can be used to actually create social harmony between two different communities.
  13. Another pair from the gang is convicted. Notice how ineptitude by social services helped the perverts. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7169599/Child-abusers-jailed-sexually-exploiting-girl-groomed-gang-age-11.html
  14. The last few chariters have taken on 'religious twists' in various ways.
  15. See, then the Heer-Ranjha tale takes a serious twist here, and introduces the notion of rebirths, and that of devtay and devis no less! I was searching for links in the tales, and if you think about it, this chariter links to the previous one where Chandika is introduced, because in the usual Chandi narration (if I'm not mistaken) it's actually Indra that seeks Chandi's assistance against the asuras. And here in this tale, we have Indra reincarnated as Ranjha. So that adds a whole new dimension to the folktale.
  16. Yeah, but previously our ancestors were physically fighting a dharam yudh, as well as doing other stuff like farming, blacksmithery or carpentry so that could be explained. Mix the old diet with the new relatively easy life and you have a recipe for disaster - literally.
  17. I don't think this is anything new. Apnay do this a lot.
  18. Notice the shift from the last bir-rasi chariter to this. The last one closed with a point about punishment. I was wondering if this would be immediately expanded upon in the next chariter - and the answer is no. And yes Chatanga, I notice this one doesn't really deviate from the usually conception of this as true love. I wonder if the identification of Heer Ranjha with Maneka and Indra (in previous life) is something that is in the traditional folklore?
  19. Very interesting! The story of Heer Ranjha makes an appearance. So the chariters draw from many sources including current folklore.
  20. There is so much you come across when you read Bhangu's work. The sava lakh sau ik laraun for example.
  21. Low-carb diets could reduce diabetes, heart disease and stroke risk even if people DON'T lose weight by cutting down on bread, potatoes and pasta Researchers at Ohio State University tested low-carb diets on 16 people Weight loss was thought to be what caused the health benefits of diet changes But people's blood fat and cholesterol levels reduced during a low-carb diet And metabolic syndrome was stopped in more than half of people taking part https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7162631/Low-carb-diets-reduce-diabetes-heart-disease-stroke-risk-people-DONT-lose-weight.html
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