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Well their reverse engineering doesn't seem to have helped them in many recent wars, look at how they lost the Afghanistan one!

I like it! You might want to build up a little collection too.

If this is true, and these 'aliens' share tech with the yanks - basically we have white supremacist aliens we have to fight in future for our own survival.

N30 What happened to the 'quote' function in the windows? I used to be able to highlight text and press a button and have it as a quote.

I think minds may change over the next few generations when people grow up with their real ithihaas instead of the colonial version. No, please don't be another Singh carrying but ultimately unwilling to use if worse comes to worse. Otherwise to me, it just comes across as some sort of attention seeking. Note the point I made in the last post about young people having weapons on them and not being averse to using them on street level in many urban areas. It's up to you to find the right size that can be functional as well as inconspicuous. I like karambits, but ultimately you have to check shasters for how they feel in your hand; do they feel solid and sturdy, can you get a good grip, do they feel balanced in your hands, is the weight right - these things will vary from person to person. Steel i.e. sarbloh, which is an alloy is considered sacred (not pure iron, or cast iron, which is very brittle and can break very easily). I think it is because of the use of the sarbloh during dasam pita's earthly time to highlight Waheguru's power and potential destructive energy against dushts/daints/asuras. Also because weaponry is made from steel and allows us to protect ourselves and our dharam. I've never heard of iron or steel being used like you are saying as a talisman against black magic, but then I've not read nihungnama.

No you're not right. I've never come across anything where Guru ji specifies the length of the shasters. There is information in the latter part of this thread that helps shed light on the matter of shasters and dasmesh pita: And you really need to be careful carrying a functional shaster in open view in public. I don't know where you are in the UK, but where I am, very young youths routinely carry concealed knives, and some aren't remotely averse to actually using them when they feel it is required. So you openly carrying like that could be seen as a challenge to someone like that.

Basically, just like when I was growing up. These people aren't 'gods' they are asuras/daints. We have a culture that teaches us to defeat them.

Yeah, but there is also experience with dealing with the far right, head on at street level here. They are like all bullies, when they get f**ked hard they crawl under a rock and find other more vulnerable people to target. This battle is inevitable, I believe it is God's planned dharam yudh for us.

What are you lot so scared of? You are allowed to have guns over there.

Same when I meet some freshies at work, their attitude is appalling, and goray notice their treachery towards their own. You can go out of your way to help them, but they just take the piss even more when you do. They must come from a a really backwards place.....

Are you sure? I ain't seen that here in the UK. I saw a few clips of her, she seems like a real good actress.

Trustee: Tirath Singh – Misused his position to rally support for a character reference used in the murder trial to defend his son, Sukhman Shergill. Oooookayyyyyy................... This doesn't make ANY sense. Bhangal said these two knew the victim from school, so how could they mistake him for someone else??

In the UK, it's probably better to not be blatant with a functional weapon. I know some Sikhs carry them, but if someone is actually going to go beyond the useless, colonial products i.e. blunt, useless with no handle type of 'kirpan', then they should conceal it, just to avoid unnecessary attention. English people might understand why a Singh is carrying one, but a lot of other foreigners wouldn't. And we shouldn't forget why we were instructed to have them. I think way too many amritdharis have fallen for the 'symbolic' interpretation which was obviously a part of colonial manipulation to disarm Sikhs.

First thing, when you carry, don't do it blatantly. Whatever you chose, Guru ji instructed SInghs to carry shastars to be able to use them in any self defence situations.

Be real, Sikhs and Hindus have been getting raw deals there a long time before this, although this may have intensified stuff. Anyway, it's not like their hasn't been apneean and hindu women who haven't done the same, and crossed borders.

What incident was this??

First thing, my hearts heavy for this mother and family. But to be honest, those two kids who are going down for this aren't going to be having a good time for many many years now. They'll be constantly around violence. Given the length of these sentences, I don't think a year going either way will make much difference. They'll probably be heavily 'institutionalised' well before they are let out, if they make it. Why the Gurdwara did this? I don't know what these kids backgrounds are? Was this 'out of character'? I don't know what the culture in Wolves is like (i.e. heavily gang influenced?) I'm not remotely condoning or excusing their behaviour - taking a mother's only son away is heart breaking. I could barely watch the mother and daughter's interview. I'm baffled over why they took this route. But I will say, remembering when I was around this age, A lot of young kids around where I grew up got into all manner of serious shyte, it wasn't uncommon. To me it only (yet again) emphasises why it's so important to try and inculcate a sense of brotherhood amongst Sikhs as a force against this type of internal violence. But at this age, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if this is actually realistic, given the selfish nature of a lot of apnay, and the unhealthy competition over wealth and status they often have between themselves. Let's contextualise this: look at the rampant violence between young apnay in areas of Canada that frequently leads to murder (usually with firearms) - in that respect I think we are quite lucky in the UK, in that we haven't got to that yet. How do you think these two should have been dealt with?

On a wider perspective I think people need to work on making their kids a bit more savvy and streetwise (in their thinking, not dress or language). This gullible streak a lot of apnay and apneean have causes havoc.

Not necessarily. Looks like they got full sentences anyway. That is pretty messed up, kid died who wasn't involved in the original gripe.

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I know some of our lot wont like hearing it, but it has to be said, India is making a lot of correct moves these days.