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  1. Your so called gurmat gian missionary college do not accept any bani of tenth master. They are in bed with likes of kala afghana and darshan ragi who do not know a, b and c of dasam bani. Thus they violate sikh rehat maryada. Have you read Dasam granth? answer in sincereity. if not why you are charting on a subject that you do not know. Whole dasam granth is written by tenth master. i have read it many times and i challenge your fake professors who are 10 standard and write as professors to discuss the subject with us on public tv. You cann't hide blasphemy under carpet anymore. you have to face the music sooner or later. tell your fake professors to understnd the meanings of metaphor, myths, similes and symbolism before denigrating bani of tenth master.
  2. Your reply in a crooked style displays your mind set that is full of arrogance. Yes there were two beers of Dasam Granth sahib during Guru Sahib's lifetime. They are called Anandpuri beer and Beer patna. Read book of Piara Singh Padam " Dasam Granth Darshan" before beating about bush and uttering blasphemic comments. Are you a baptized sikh? If so with how many banis you were baptized? This shows how shallow is logic of your so called fake missionary college? What ardas you do? From where word Degh tegh fateh comes? Learn to imbibe qualities of kirtan in your psyche that you post here and accord respect to bani of Guru Gobind singh ji even if you do not believe in that.
  3. That does not render bani of Guru Gobind singh ji as nothing. We are baptized with 5 banis and three of those are from Dasam gRanth sahib. Our ardas pauri is from Dasam Granth sahib. Our nitnem banis are from Dasam Granth sahib. If we follow your faulted logic then we need not to become khalsa. WE write singh with our name . Is it written in Sri Guru Granth sahib. We say waheguru ji ka khlasa, waheguru ji ki fateh. Is it from Sri Guru Granth sahib. We wear shashtars. Where do they originate from? Of course from Dasam Granth. So your arguement does not hold any ground and rebuffs three hundred years of sikh history during which Dasam Granth was in parkash parallel to SGGS at our takhats.
  4. Manbir singh ji It was nice to listen to wonderful kirtan. I saw that you belong to Gurmat Gian missionary college. I have a question. Why does this college propagate against Bani of Dasam pita? It is in the forefront supporting blasphemy of Ragi Darshan. Its parcharaks like Inder Ghagha, Sarabjit Dhundha, Sukhwinder dadhehr, Sabhra spew venom against established sikh traditions.
  5. At the end of chandi charitra part 1, it is siva. Literally Siva wife of shiv ji i.e. Durga. But in shabad " Deh Siva bar---" it is a metaphor for akal purakh.
  6. My reference is to term Chandi used in Dasam Granth sahib. This term has multiple meanings.
  7. Chandi charitra of dasam granth is not a carbon copy of the one from Markandey puranas. Guru sahib left out many slokas from markandey purana that call for worship of Durga.' What we have in Dasam granth is an adapted version of chandi charitra wherein Guru sahib has done many alterations to bring it in line with sikh philosophy. Chandi Of Dasam granth is not personified .At places in chandi di vaar, chandi means Sri sahib also.
  8. They have taken the correct decision in sending a lackey of congress/ agencies, ragi darshan, out of panth. When they take such a bold decision they will have a few adversaries. The agitators were that lot.Such people have no ethics and no religion to follow.
  9. These were hooligans of Darshan Ragi gang who wanted to disturb speech of akal takhat jathedar out of revenge.When they did not listen to requests of sangat for behaving themselves they were given sound thrashing. http://punjabiwriterweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=879:2010-08-29-05-48-39&catid=6:latest-news English Translation Darshan Ragi supporters beaten by sangat when they came to disrupt meeting of Jathedar of akal Takhat. Many of them fled leaving shoes behind. August 29, 2010 ( By harvinder Riar) Premier Gurudwara of New york, Richmond Hill society, wherein Ragi darshan supporters were dominant for sometime a new committee has taken over the reins.They decided from the outset that maryada of akal takhat will be implemented there.On initiative of president Bhupinder Singh Boparai, vice president Gurdev Singh Kang and election incharge Harbans singh Dhillon Akal Takhat jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh, Patna sahib jathedar Giani Iqbal Singh and secretary of Delhi Gurudwara committee Bhajan singh walia were called to attend evening diwan at Gurudwara sahib.Two dozen supporters of Ragi darshan collected from four to five states converged on Gurudwara sahib. Reliable sources reveal that they were being led by a former secretary of this Gurudwara.Sangat had very low opinion about this secretary because of his earlier activities especially disrespect to akal takhat and upgraded Nanakshahi calender.When singh sahib started addressing sangat these notorious elements started creating disruption of his speech.When stopped by management committee from such disruptive activites they started grappling with sangat.On this sangat started thrashing these mischief mongers and they fled the scene leaving behind their shoes.Police had arrived in gurudwara sahib , wrote names of some people and that report is yet to be received. After this, Jathedar sahib addressed sangat.He said our personal weaknesses are taking us away from religion.Sangat need to create sehaj in them by following Gurbani.We need to take teachings of our Gurus to others by inculcating humility in us.Giani Iqbal singh said that to challenge Takhats created by our Guru sahib is an unfortunate activity.WE need to undrestand vastness of teachings of our Gurus by remaining loyal to our religion.Bhajan singh Walia said that while living in these countries we need to learn discipline prevailing here.None of Darshan ragi supporters were to be seen near the scene after they left. 0
  10. Read Dasam granth sahib. For Guru sahib akal purakh was supreme. ਕਬਿਬਾਚ ॥ कबिबाच ॥ The World of the Poet: ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਠਾਢ ਭਯੋ ਮੈ ਜੋਰਿ ਕਰ ਬਚਨ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਆਇ ॥ ठाढ भयो मै जोरि कर बचन कहा सिर निआइ ॥ I stood up with folded hands and bowing down my head, I said: ਪੰਥ ਚਲੈ ਤਬ ਜਗਤ ਮੈ ਜਬ ਤੁਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਹਾਇ ॥੩੦॥ पंथ चलै तब जगत मै जब तुम करहु सहाइ ॥३०॥ The path (Panth) shall prevail only in the world, with THY ASSISTANCE."30. Bachitra natak REad further ਜੋ ਹਮ ਕੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਉਚਰਿ ਹੈਂ ॥ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਨਰਕਿ ਕੁੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਪਰਿਹੈਂ ॥ जो हम को परमेसर उचरि हैं ॥ ते सभ नरकि कुंड महि परिहैं ॥ Whosoever shall call me the Lord, shall fall into hell. ਮੋ ਕੌ ਦਾਸ ਤਵਨ ਕਾ ਜਾਨੋ ॥ ਯਾ ਮੈ ਭੇਦ ਨ ਰੰਚ ਪਛਾਨੋ ॥੩੨॥ मो कौ दास तवन का जानो ॥ या मै भेद न रंच पछानो ॥३२॥ Consider me as His servant and nothing is other than truth in it.32. ਮੈ ਹੋ ਪਰਮ ਪੁਰਖ ਕੋ ਦਾਸਾ ॥ ਦੇਖਨਿ ਆਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਤਮਾਸਾ ॥ मै हो परम पुरख को दासा ॥ देखनि आयो जगत तमासा ॥ I am the servant of the Supreme Purusha and hath come to see the Sport of the world. Bachitra natak Dasam Granth sahib
  11. Balbir singh ji Kindly go through the composition of Dasam Granth.Durga has been described as creation of akal purakh in Dasam Granth unlike her status in puranas where she is considered as supreme power. If in doubt listen to katha of Sant jarnail singh ji belwo http://patshahi10.or...10org&Itemid=73
  12. We should refrain from attributing something to Damdami taksal they do not believe in. Here is video of Sant jarnail singh ji on this issue http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=218:sant-jarnail-singh-bhindranwale-explains-the-meaning-of-qmahakaalq-from-bachittar-natak&catid=56:videos-by-patshahi10org&Itemid=73
  13. WE have to interpet devtay within parameters of our scriptures.Per hinduism sects for example shakat who are devotees of Devi they are all in all and there is no God above them. Per Guru sahib in Dasam Granth sahib this is what God says to him before sending him to this earth ਤੇ ਹਮ ਤਮਕਿ ਤਨਕ ਮੋ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਥਾਪੇ ॥ ते हम तमकि तनक मो खापे ॥ तिन की ठउर देवता थापे ॥ I destroyed them in no time and created gods in their place. ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਲਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਉਰਝਾਏ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੭॥ ते भी बलि पूजा उरझाए ॥ आपन ही परमेसुर कहाए ॥७॥ They were also absorbed in the worship of power and called themselves Ominipotednt.7. ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਅਚੁੱਤ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੋ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥ महादेव अचु्त कहायो ॥ बिसन आप ही को ठहिरायो ॥ Mahadeo (Shiva) was called Achyuta (blotless), Vishnu considered himself the Supreme. ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਆਪ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੮॥ ब्रहमा आप पारब्रहम बखाना ॥ प्रभ को प्रभू न किनहूं जाना ॥८॥ Brahma called himself Para Brahman, none could comprehend the Lord.8. ਤਬ ਸਾਖੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਸਟ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਾਖ ਨਮਿਤ ਦੇਬੇ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ ॥ Bachitra natak
  14. Amardeep Banda singh was sent under a supreme council by Guru sahib. Gursikhs are gurbhais and they do not make otehrs to do chaur over their head. Maharaja was king whereas Banda was not a king. Moreover Maharaja did not change Khalsa salutation which we still have legacy of our Guru sahib. Banda did change that.
  15. We go by what is written in Dasam Granth sahib. We should not interpret Dasam Granth with status of Durga as mentioned in Hindu puranas. For sikhs Durga is a creation of akal purakh who fights against asurs or demons who represent evil She is not decribed as shakti of waheguru anywhere. ਅਨਹਦ ਰੂਪ ਅਨਾਹਦ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ अनहद रूप अनाहद बानी ॥ He is Limitless Entity and hath infinite celestial strain. ਚਰਨ ਸਰਨਿ ਜਿਹ ਬਸਤ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ चरन सरनि जिह बसत भवानी ॥ The goddess Durga takes refuge at His Feet and abides there. akal ustat The poster is trying to interpret the heading " Ath devi ji ki ustat" as ode to Durga. That is incorrect and misleading. There are many otehr headings like this in Dasam Granth. When you read those carefully it is ode to akal purakh and not to Durga. Guru Gobind singh ji has described chandi as Kirpan in chandi di vaar. ਧੂਹਿ ਲਈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਮਿਆਨ ਤੇ ॥ धूहि लई क्रिपाणी दुरगा मिआन ते ॥ Durga pulled her sword from the scabbard. ਚੰਡੀ ਰਾਕਸਿ ਖਾਣੀ ਵਾਹੀ ਦੈਤ ਨੂੰ ॥ चंडी राकसि खाणी वाही दैत नूं ॥ She struck the demon with that Chandi, the devourer of demons (that is the sword). Chandi di vaar Shakti of akal purakh when takes physical form is Sri sahib or kirpan.
  16. You need to read the link given above.The reason is given in the reference of the link to sikh encyclopedia in my previous post. http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-political-figures/bandai.html BANDAI, Posted in Biographical - Sikh Political figures BANDAI, name given to the followers of the Sikh hero, Banda Singh Bahadur (1670-1716), who regarded him not only as a military leader but also as Guru next to Guru Gobind Singh in spiritual succession. They were opposed and ultimately expelled in 1721 by the mainstream of the Sikhs, the Tatt Khalsa. A small number of Bandai Sikhs still survive. They reverence the Guru Granfh Sahib as their Scripture and most of them also undergo the Khalsa initiatory rites, but Banda Singh Bahadur is for them their eleventh Guru against the common Sikh belief of the spiritual line having ended with Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Master. References : 1. Gian Singh, Giani, TwarUch Guru Kha/sa. Patiala, 1970 2. Cunningham, Joseph Davey, A History of the Sikhs. London, 1849 3. Ganda Singh, Life of Banda Singh Bahadur. Amritsar, 1935 4. Nripinder Singh, The Sikh Moral Tradition. Delhi, 1990
  17. Bandai sikhs formation was in life time of Banda.That is why there was a Hukamnama from mata sunder kaur. One need to see unsikh practices in the dera of Baba Banda bahadar in kashmir. That is why some Hindu organizations project him as Beer bairagi which is injustice to him as he was an amritdhari sikh. Chatanaga ji, there is no fire without fuel.
  18. It is a deiversion of thread.still basic info is provided. http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-political-figures/bandai.html BANDAI, Posted in Biographical - Sikh Political figures BANDAI, name given to the followers of the Sikh hero, Banda Singh Bahadur (1670-1716), who regarded him not only as a military leader but also as Guru next to Guru Gobind Singh in spiritual succession. They were opposed and ultimately expelled in 1721 by the mainstream of the Sikhs, the Tatt Khalsa. A small number of Bandai Sikhs still survive. They reverence the Guru Granfh Sahib as their Scripture and most of them also undergo the Khalsa initiatory rites, but Banda Singh Bahadur is for them their eleventh Guru against the common Sikh belief of the spiritual line having ended with Guru Gobind Singh, the Tenth Master. References : 1. Gian Singh, Giani, TwarUch Guru Kha/sa. Patiala, 1970 2. Cunningham, Joseph Davey, A History of the Sikhs. London, 1849 3. Ganda Singh, Life of Banda Singh Bahadur. Amritsar, 1935 4. Nripinder Singh, The Sikh Moral Tradition. Delhi, 1990
  19. Banda singh Bahadar had started acting like a Guru in his later days. When he was seated there was chaur sahib being waved over his head. He was even giving charan pahul. That is how Bandai khalsa came into existence. Guru sahib had sent five sikhs as panj piaras with him and he was to act under their patraonage.These five singhs like Baba Binod singh ji were trusted followers of Guru sahib. Followers of khalsa did not like this and that is how Mata Sundari ji issued Hukamnama asking khalsa to severe ties with Banda. There was show down between bandai khalsa and Tat khalsa inside harmandir sahib when Banda was seated there. That is how tat khalsa parted ways with him.It is a fact of history.One should give him credit for his service for khalsa panth in the beginning and end when he accepted martyrdom.
  20. That is before Banda Bahadar was surrounded in Gurdas nangal. The fact cann't be ignored that he had formed his sect Bandai Khalsa in the end.That led to a hukamanama against him from Mata sunder kaur ji.
  21. He did make changes. Fateh darshan was introduced instead of waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh. His faction was caleld bandai khalsa. There was fight between his faction head ( After his death) and tat khalsa in front of akal takhat where bandai head was killed. Giani Gian singh gives details of his last days when tat khalsa broke with him. He writes that in hi last days he was acting more like a looter who came out of hills and then went back. But he remained loyal to sikhi and met martyrdom.
  22. Balbir wrote T Balbir ji Wikipedia are not created out of nothing. There is a basis for these to be on the net. This is what is written about devi in hindu scripture Durga saptashati from where Guru sahib had taken base story of Durga. That is the reason he had omitted such verses that projected her as supreme entity and gave us an altered version fitting sikh view. " Even the greatest among wise, even God himself, is by her power transformed into a small puppet that she plays with in her hands." " She creates Sansara and she maintains it" " But do not be surprised at her behaviour. It is simply her nature. What can we do about it. She creates the world, she sustains it, and she causes us to get attached to it" From: Durga saptashati
  23. You also need to read history of sikh regiments before writing ridiculous things about chandi di vaar.Their regiment motto is from this vaar. You have your choice but have no right to malign sikh granth and historical tradition of sikhs.Lastly best armies make their grade in the battlefields and not in some western paper reviews. Certainly sikh army has earned that reputation which is yet to be surpassed. Read battle of saragarhi as one instance.If need be they are still capable of doing that taking inspiration from granth of khalsa.
  24. They were sent as avtars by the order of akal Purakh.So they were real.But they faltered in their mission hukam oupaaeae dhas aouthaaraa || By His Hukam, He created His ten incarnations, 1037 SGGSt. Dasam Granth is not a carbon copy of exploits of these avtars as mentioned in Hindu texts. There have been major alterations. Secondly it has been authored by guru sahib with breathtaking battle scenes.One need to read Dasam granth before raising points that may not be relevant to be raised. For example there are cannons and guns firing in Chandi charitra.Obviously there were no guns when chandi was there.Similarly whole section of yudh parband of krishna avtar is not found in any Hindu text. There is no such thing as chandi theology. Chandi is sri sahib for sikhs.Read chandi di vaar before raising such useless points.It is our heritage and only thankless people disown their heritage. But this is a different topic and let us not divert the main thread.If you want you can open a new thread for your queries.
  25. Balbir singh ji Say Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh I thought you must be aware of shakat tradition of Hinduism. You asked for reference , below is ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaktism Shaktism (Sanskrit: Śāktaṃ, शाक्तं; lit., "doctrine of power" or "doctrine of the Goddess") is a denomination of Hinduism that focuses worship upon Shakti or Devi – the Hindu Divine Mother – as the absolute, ultimate Godhead. It is, along with Shaivism and Vaisnavism, one of the three primary schools of Hinduism. Shaktism regards Devi (lit., "the Goddess") as the Supreme Brahman itself, the "one without a second", with all other forms of divinity, female or male, considered to be merely her diverse manifestations. In the details of its philosophy and practice, Shaktism resembles Shaivism.
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