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It is not that simple as we are trying to make it.These are two distinct separate philosophies. In Hinduism , Worshippers of devi durga consider her as absolute supreme power. There is no God above her.She is all in all. Sikhism rejects that theory and considers her as creation of akal purakh.That was the purpose of Guru sahib in writing dasam granth to tell people that deities you consider as Gods are not Gods. They are creation God and have not been able to realize God. PLease do not mix two different philosophies as it creates nothing else but confusion.There is no need to do that also.

In Dasam Granth sahib the mention of word devi should not be confused with devi of Hindu faith having physical entity. There is another ustat of devi ji in krishna avtar titled as " Devi ji ki ustat". Please read it and realize that it is ustat of akal purakh. So devi word used in Dasam Granth does not indicate devi of hinduism. Read below ਭਾਗ भाग SECTION ਅਥ ਦੇਵੀ ਜੂ ਕੀ ਉਸਤਤ ਕਥਨੰ ॥ अथ देवी जू की उसतत कथनं ॥ ਭੁਜੰਗ ਪ੍ਰਯਾਤ ਛੰਦ ॥ भुजंग प्रयात छंद ॥ BHUJANG PRAYAAT STANZA ਤੁਹੀ ਅਸਤ੍ਰਣੀ ਆਪ ਰੂਪਾ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਅੰਬਕਾ ਜੰਭ ਹੰਤੀ ਅਨੂਪਾ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਅੰਬਕਾ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਤੋਤਲਾ ਹੈ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਵੀ ਭੂਮ ਆਕਾਸ਼ ਤੈ ਹੀ ਕੀਆ ਹੈ ॥੪੨੧॥ तुही असत्रणी आप रूपा ॥ तुही अमबका ज्मभ हंती अनूपा ॥ तुही अमबका सीतला तोतला है ॥ प्रिथवी भूम आकाश तै ही कीआ है ॥४२१॥ O God, Thou art Ambika, the wielder of arms weapons and also the destroyer of Jambhasura; Thou art Ambika, Shitala etc.; Thou art also the installed of the world, earth and sky.421. ਤੁਹੀ ਮੁੰਡ ਮਰਦੀ ਕਪਰਦੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਾਲਕਾ ਜਾਲਪਾ ਰਾਜਧਾਨੀ ॥ਮਹਾ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੁਹੀ ਈਸ਼੍ਵਰੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੇਜ ਆਕਾਸ਼ ਥੰਭੋ ਮਹੀ ਹੈ ॥੪੨੨॥ तुही मुंड मरदी कपरदी भवानी ॥ तुही कालका जालपा राजधानी ॥महा जोग माइआ तुही ईश्वरी है ॥ तुही तेज आकाश थ्मभो मही है ॥४२२॥ Thou art Bhavani, the smasher of heads in the battlefield; Thou art also Kalka, Jalpa and giver of the kingdom to gods; thou art the great Yogmaya and Parvati; Thou art the Light of the sky and the support of the earth.422. ਤੁਹੀ ਰਿਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਪੁਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਮੋਹ ਸੁ ਚਉਦਹੂੰ ਲੋਕ ਛਾਇਆ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਸੁੰਭ ਨੈਸੁੰਭ ਹੰਤੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਚਉਦਹੂੰ ਲੋਗ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਾਨੀ ॥੪੨੩॥ तुही रिशटणी पुशटणी जोग माइआ ॥ तुही मोह सु चउदहूं लोक छाइआ ॥ तुही सु्मभ नैसु्मभ हंती भवानी ॥ तुही चउदहूं लोग की जोति जानी ॥४२३॥ Thou art Yogmaya, the Sustainer of all; all the fourteen worlds are illumined by Thy Light; Thou art Bhavani, the destroyer of Sumbh and Nisumbh; Thou art the brilliance of the fourteen worlds.423. ਤੁਹੀ ਰਿਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਪੁਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਣੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਹਰਤਣੀ ਅਸਤ੍ਰਣੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਇਆ ਤੁਹੀ ਬਾਕ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਅੰਬਕਾ ਜੰਭਰਾ ਰਾਜਧਾਨੀ ॥੪੨੪॥ तुही रिशटणी पुशटणी शसत्रणी है ॥ तुही कशटणी हरतणी असत्रणी है ॥ तुही जोग माइआ तुही बाक बानी ॥ तुही अमबका ज्मभरा राजधानी ॥४२४॥ Thou art the Sustainer of all and also the wielder of weapons; Thou art the remover of the sufferings of all and also the wielder of arms; Thou art Yogmaya and power of speech; O Goddess! Thou, as Ambika, art the destroyer of Jambhasura and the giver of the kingdom to gods.424. ਮਹਾ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਇਆ ਮਹਾਰਾਜ ਧਾਨੀ ॥ ਭਵੀ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਭੂਤ ਭਬਿਅੰ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਚਰੀ ਆਚਰਣੀ ਖੇਚਰਣੀ ਭੂਪਣੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਬਾਹਣੀ ਆਪ ਨੀਰੂਪਣੀ ਹੈ ॥੪੨੫॥ महा जोग माइआ महाराज धानी ॥ भवी भावनी भूत भबिअं भवानी ॥ चरी आचरणी खेचरणी भूपणी है ॥ महा बाहणी आप नीरूपणी है ॥४२५॥ O great Yogmaya ! Thou art the eternal Bhavani in the past, present and future; Thou art consciousness-incarnate, pervading as Sovereign in the sky; Thy vehicle is supreme and Thou art the revealer of all the sciences.425. ਮਹਾ ਭੈਰਵੀ ਭੂਤਨੇਸੁਰੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਭਵੀ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਭਬਯੰ ਕਾਲੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੀ ॥ ਜਯਾ ਆਜਯਾ ਹਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਪਿੰਗੁਲਾ ਹੈ ॥ ਸ਼ਿਵਾ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਮੰਗਲਾ ਤੋਤਲਾ ਹੈ ॥੪੨੬॥ महा भैरवी भूतनेसुरी भवानी ॥ भवी भावनी भबयं काली क्रिपाणी ॥ जया आजया हिंगुला पिंगुला है ॥ शिवा सीतला मंगला तोतला है ॥४२६॥ Thou art the great Bhairavi, Bhuteshvari and Bhavani; Thou art Kali, the wielder of the sword in all the three tenses; Thou art the conqueror of ll, residing on Hinglaj mountain; Thou art Shiva, Shitala and stammering Mangala.426. ਤੁਹੀ ਅੱਛਰਾ ਪੱਛਰਾ ਬੁੱਧ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਧਿਆ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਭੈਰਵੀ ਭੂਪਣੀ ਸੁੱਧ ਸਿੱਧਿਆ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਬਾਹਣੀ ਅਸਤ੍ਰਣੀ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਧਾਰੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੀਰ ਤਰਵਾਰ ਕਾਤੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ॥੪੨੭॥ तुही अछरा प्छरा बु्ध ब्रि्धिआ ॥ तुही भैरवी भूपणी सु्ध सि्धिआ ॥ महा बाहणी असत्रणी शसत्र धारी ॥ तुही तीर तरवार काती कटारी ॥४२७॥ Thou art in the form of Syllable (Akshana), heavenly damsels, Buddha, Bhairavi, Sovereign and an adept; thou hast a supreme vehile (i.e. lion), Thou art also in the form of an arrow, a a sword and a dagger.427. ਤੁਹੀ ਰਾਜਸੀ ਸਾਤਕੀ ਤਾਮਸੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਬਾਲਕਾ ਬਿੱ੍ਰਧਣੀ ਅਉ ਜੁਆ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਦਾਨਵੀ ਦੇਵਣੀ ਜੱਛਣੀ ਹੈ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਿੰਨ੍ਰਣੀ ਮੱਛਣੀ ਕੱਛਣੀ ਹੈ ॥੪੨੮॥ तुही राजसी सातकी तामसी है ॥ तुही बालका बि्रधणी अउ जुआ है ॥ तुही दानवी देवणी ज्छणी है ॥ तुही किंन्रणी म्छणी क्छणी है ॥४२८॥ Thou art Rajas, tamas and Sattva, the three modes of maya; Thou art the three ages of life i.e. childhood, youth and old age; Thou art demoness, goddess and Dakshini; Thou art also Kinnar-woman, fish-girt and Kashyap-woman.428. ਤੁਹੀ ਦੇਵਤੇਸ਼ੇਸ਼ਣੀ ਦਾਨਵੇਸਾ ॥ ਸਰਹ ਬ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟਣੀ ਹੈ ਤੁਹੀ ਅਸਤ੍ਰ ਭੇਸਾ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਰਾਜ ਰਾਜੇਸ਼੍ਵਰੀ ਜੋਗ ਮਾਯਾ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਮੋਹ ਸੋ ਚਉਦਹੂੰ ਲੋਕ ਛਾਯਾ ॥੪੨੯॥ तुही देवतेशेशणी दानवेसा ॥ सरह ब्रिशटणी है तुही असत्र भेसा ॥ तुही राज राजेश्वरी जोग माया ॥ महा मोह सो चउदहूं लोक छाया ॥४२९॥ Thou art the power of gods and the vision of the demons; Thou art the steel-striker and wielder of arms; Thou art Rajrajeshwari and Yogmaya and there is the prevalence of your maya in all the fourteen worlds.429. ਤੁਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮੀ ਬੈਸ਼ਨਵੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਬਾਸਵੀ ਈਸ਼੍ਵਰੀ ਕਾਰਤਕਯਾਨੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਅੰਬਕਾ ਦੁਸ਼ਟਹਾ ਮੁੰਡ ਮਾਲੀ ॥ ਤੁਹੀ ਕਸ਼ਟ ਹੰਤੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੀ ॥੪੩੦॥ तुही ब्राहमी बैशनवी स्री भवानी ॥ तुही बासवी ईश्वरी कारतकयानी ॥ तुही अमबका दुशटहा मुंड माली ॥ तुही कशट हंती क्रिपा कै क्रिपाली ॥४३०॥ Thou art the power the of Brahmani, Vaishnavi, Bhavani, Basavi, Parvati and Kartikeya; Thou art Ambika and the wearer of the necklace of skulls; O Goddess! Thou art the destroyer of the sufferings of all and also gracious towards all.430. ਤੁਮੀ ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੀ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹਿਰੰਨਾਛ ਮਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਹਰੰਨਾਕਸ਼ੰ ਸਿੰਘਣੀ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਪਛਾਰਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਮੀ ਬਾਵਨੀ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਤਿਨੋ ਲੋਗ ਮਾਪੇ ॥ ਤੁਮੀ ਦੇਵ ਦਾਨੋ ਕੀਏ ਜੱਛ ਥਾਪੇ ॥੪੩੧॥ तुमी ब्राहमणी ह्वै हिरंनाछ मारयो ॥ हरंनाकशं सिंघणी ह्वै पछारयो ॥ तुमी बावनी ह्वै तिनो लोग मापे ॥ तुमी देव दानो कीए ज्छ थापे ॥४३१॥ As the power of Brahm and as the lion, Thou didst overthrow Hiranyakashipu; Thou didst measure the three worlds as the power of Vaman an dThou didst establish the gods, demons and Yakshas.431. ਤੁਮੀ ਰਾਮ ਹ੍ਵੈਕੈ ਦਸਾਗ੍ਰੀਵ ਖੰਡਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਮੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਕੰਸ ਕੇਸੀ ਬਿਹੰਡਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਮੀ ਜਾਲਪਾ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਬਿੜਾਲਾਛ ਘਾਯੋ ॥ ਤੁਮੀ ਸੁੰਭ ਸੁੰਭ ਨੈਸੁੰਭ ਦਾਨੋ ਖਪਾਯੋ ॥੪੩੨॥ तुमी राम ह्वैकै दसाग्रीव खंडयो ॥ तुमी क्रिशन ह्वै कंस केसी बिहंडयो ॥ तुमी जालपा ह्वै बिड़ालाछ घायो ॥ तुमी सु्मभ सु्मभ नैसु्मभ दानो खपायो ॥४३२॥ Thou didst kill Ravana as Ram; Thou didst kill the demon Keshi as Krishna; Thou didst annihilate the demon Biraksha as Jalapa and Thou didst destroy the demons Sumbh and Nisumbh.432. ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥ दोहरा ॥ DOHRA ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਦਾਸ ਪਰਿ ਕੀਜੈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਅਪਾਰ ॥ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਰਾਖ ਦੈ ਰਾਖ ਮੁਹਿ ਮਨ ਕ੍ਰਮ ਬਚਨ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥੪੩੩॥ दास जान करि दास परि कीजै क्रिपा अपार ॥ हाथ दै राख दै राख मुहि मन क्रम बचन बिचार ॥४३३॥ Considering me as Thy slave, be Gracius towards me and keep Thy hand over my head and protect me with Thy mind, action, speech and thought.433. ਚੌਪਈ ॥ चौपई ॥ CHUPAI ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥ मै न गनेशहि प्रिथम मनाऊं ॥ किशन बिशन कबहूं नह धिआऊं ॥कान सुने पहिचान न तिन सों ॥ लिव लागी मोरी पग इन सों ॥४३४॥ I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not mediatate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Kal (the Immanent Brahman).434. ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਰਖਵਾਰ ਹਮਾਰੋ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਲੋਹ ਮੈਂ ਕਿੰਕਰ ਥਾਰੋ ॥ ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਕਰੋ ਰਖਵਾਰ ॥ ਬਾਹਿ ਗਹੇ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥੪੩੫॥ महाकाल रखवार हमारो ॥ महा लोह मैं किंकर थारो ॥ अपना जान करो रखवार ॥ बाहि गहे की लाज बिचार ॥४३५॥ The Supreme Kal (God) is my Protector and O Steel-Purusha Lort ! I am Thy slave; Protect me, considering me as Thy own and do me the honour of catching my arm.435. ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਮੁਝੇ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਰੀਐ ॥ ਚੁਨ ਚੁਨ ਸ਼ੱਤੁ ਹਮਾਰੇ ਮਰੀਐ ॥ ਦੇਗ ਤੇਗ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਦੋਊ ਚਲੈ ॥ ਰਾਖ ਆਪ ਮੁਹਿ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਦਲੈ ॥੪੩੬॥ अपना जान मुझे प्रतिपरीऐ ॥ चुन चुन श्तु हमारे मरीऐ ॥ देग तेग जग मै दोऊ चलै ॥ राख आप मुहि अउरु न दलै ॥४३६॥ Sustain me, considering me as Thy own and destroy my enemies, picking them up; O Lord with Thy Grace, let the free kitchen and Sword (for the protection of the lowly;) ever flourish through me and none should be able to kill me except You.436. ਤੁਮ ਮਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮੈ ਦਾਸ ਤਿਹਾਰਾ ॥ ਜਾਨ ਆਪਨਾ ਮੁਝੈ ਨਿਵਾਜ ॥ ਆਪ ਕਰੋ ਹਮਰੇ ਸਭ ਕਾਜ ॥੪੩੭॥ तुम मम करहु सदा प्रतिपारा ॥ तुम साहिब मै दास तिहारा ॥ जान आपना मुझै निवाज ॥ आप करो हमरे सभ काज ॥४३७॥ Sustain me ever, O Lord! Thou art my Master and I am Thy slave; be Gracious towards me, considering me as Thy own and complete all my works.437. ਤੁਮ ਹੋ ਸਭ ਰਾਜਨ ਕੇ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਆਪੁ ਗਰੀਬ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਮੁਹਿ ॥ ਹਾਰ ਪਰਾ ਮੈ ਆਨ ਦ੍ਵਾਰ ਤੁਹਿ ॥੪੩੮॥ तुम हो सभ राजन के राजा ॥ आपे आपु गरीब निवाजा ॥ दास जान करि क्रिपा करहु मुहि ॥ हार परा मै आन द्वार तुहि ॥४३८॥ O Lord! Thou art eh king of all kings and Gracious towards the poor; be Benevolent towards me, considering me as Thy own, because, I have surrendered and fallen at Thy Gate.438. ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਕਰੋ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਮੈ ਕਿੰਕਰ ਥਾਰਾ ॥ ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਦੈ ਹਾਥ ਉਬਾਰੋ ॥ ਹਮਰੇ ਸਭ ਬੈਰੀਅਨ ਸੰਘਾਰੋ ॥੪੩੯॥ अपना जान करो प्रतिपारा ॥ तुम साहिबु मै किंकर थारा ॥ दास जान दै हाथ उबारो ॥ हमरे सभ बैरीअन संघारो ॥४३९॥ Sustain me, considering me as Thy own; Thou art my Lord and I am Thy slave; considering me as Thy slave, save me with Thy own hands and destroy all my enemies.439. ਪ੍ਰਥਮ ਧਰੋ ਭਗਵਤ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨਾ ॥ ਬਹੁਰ ਕਰੋ ਕਬਿਤਾ ਬਿਧਿ ਨਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਜਥਾ ਮਤ ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਉਚਾਰੋ ॥ ਚੂਕ ਹੋਇ ਕਬਿ ਲੇਹੁ ਸੁਧਾਰੋ ॥੪੪੦॥ प्रथम धरो भगवत को धयाना ॥ बहुर करो कबिता बिधि नाना ॥ किशन जथा मत चरित्र उचारो ॥ चूक होइ कबि लेहु सुधारो ॥४४०॥ At the very outset, I meditate on Bhagavata (Lord-God) and then endeavour to compose various types of poesy; I speak out the memories of Krishna according to my; intellect and if there remins any shortcoming in it, then the poets may improve it.440. ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦੇਵੀ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ॥ इति स्री देवी उसतति समापतम ॥ End of the eulogy of the Goddess. Krishna avtar, Dasam Granth My request is that do not interpret Dasam Granth with Hindu terminology as it is misleading.Dasam Granth condemns idol worshipping very forcefully and more than any otehr sikhs scripture.

I did no condone violence in any situation.If so pleae oint out it tom me.Do not make things on your own. These parades are melas and such melas are really not necessary in my view.

In my view USA/canada and UK are not same.US and Canada are countires of immigrants.So public perception is different.Hence we should not see this problem from the same angle.

There are two things 1 Abnormal things do happen.All are not saints. We should not be unduly concerned about stary acts of violence.If someone commits that law will take care of that. 2 This act of some to issue an indirect threat to some so that they do not appear at parade seems to be settling political score in the name of religion. Thius should eb condemned in the strongest possible language.This is pure thuggery especially when these peopel are themselves not clean. Having said this you also need to read a book soft target.The book details how some sikhs become pliable at hands of its enemies for fringe benefits.Apart from promoting sikhism We need to encourage sikhs to go for good education also.Presently ther is ghetto type mentality among many sikhs in BC area of canada and there is rampant gang mentality going on wher many precious lives have been lost.

In the changed atmosphere Ujjal dosanjh is less damaging than Dahsmesh darbar. Dashmesh Darbar is supporting Ragi adrshan's blasphemic acts and invite Harjinder dilgeer to speak in gurudwara.They do not ahve interest of sikhs at heart.May be They are playing politics to bring down image of Sikhs.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/52023-sarna-atacked-proud-khalsa-sevadars/ Real Face of anti panthic Paramjeet sarna got exposed on world Sikh convention when his task force and worker of youth wing beat sevadar of proud khalsa network just coz he was clicking the pics of convention ... Sarna was already frustrated because his convention got flop and he ordered his youth wing and task force to beat Bhai Avtar singh .. Watch video and pics here www.proudkhalsanetwork.com/talibani-sarna This is video on youtube. http://www.youtube.c...h?v=jHQ0Cw6KMsg

The news about his governorship is another phony news.It will take decades before a non-white becomes Governor-General in canada.Resistance to his candiadcy falls in the same category as opposition to kirpan and admittance of a sikh in RCMP a few years back. This is a news just to create sensation.

Game plan of these anti sikh agents is nicely summed up http://www.sikhsanga...the-sikh-dharm/ Many have long suspected that the attacks on Guru Gobind Singh ji’s writings, the Dasam Granth Sahib ji, were just the beginning. From there the government agents and communists posing as Sikh scholars attacked the rahit maryada, the basic Nitnem banis, the authority of the Akaal Takht Sahib, the integrity of mahan pracharaks, and the sanctity of the Amrit Sanchar itself. Today there are Amrit Sanchars carried out with only Japji Sahib and Anand Sahib being read, instead of the required five banis that also include Jaap Sahib, Tve Prasaad Svaye, and Chaupai Sahib. The plan of the anti-panthic agents was quite simple, build up a critical mass of the uncritical (unthinking), attack the foundations of the Sikh dharm to create splits in the panth at as many points as possible, and then attack the Guru Granth Sahib ji itself. Under this plan some agents only attack the Dasam Granth Sahib, while others attack at all possible points. In this way those wayward Sikhs who are only inclined to some limited degree of blasphemy will have some leader, some “scholar”, to look up to who can lead them in their attacks. While those beymukhs (those who turn their backs on the Guru) who have no limits to their hereticism can freely indulge in their attempts to remake Guru Nanak Sahib ji’s dharm as they wish. The potential end result of these circumstances conjure up a vision of a trail of deadly terror assaults, with scattered pockets of confused sangat wandering around the smoky remains of each breach in our dharm. Of course, it will never come to that end as Maharaj blessed the Sikhs with enough evidence of the authenticity of Dasam Granth Sahib and the rahit maryada that all those Sikhs who seek with a sincere heart will come to realise the truth. Raggi Darshan Singh has been invited to do vichaar numerous times, but he has either found some excuse to avoid it or simply ignored the invitations. The agenda of these people is to create division, not to do vichaar because vichaar is in the best interests of the panth. At protests his followers have been hiding weapons and attacking the protesters in an attempt to instigate them to fight back. They want Singhs to use violence so that our name is blackened in the media and the mainstream sangat, who are often unaware of the true complexity of events, turn on us. We need to clarify our objectives. The main goal is to win hearts and minds of mainstream sangat who are unaware of the propaganda. Violence can trigger a backlash from them. The attacks on Dasam Bani, Akaal Takht, Rahit Maryada, Amrit Sanchar, and now Guru Granth Sahib ji are merely methods of division being used. our goal is not to convince panth-dokhis, nor is it necessarily to shut them up (unless it’s by debate, which is why they are afraid of it), the ultimate goal is to convince the mainstream sangat so that the panth maintains its unity and walks in line with Gurmat. All other goals should be subservient to this ultimate goal. At each juncture we must ask ourselves, is this action that we are contemplating in the best interests of the panth? What are the potential downsides? The failure to employ hosh (correct thought and planning) before josh (effort/action) has ever been our community’s downfall. We should also employ an articulate Sikh at each protest to represent the panthic point of view to the media so that propagandaists do not have free reign with the newspapers and public opinion. We must look to the past. Whenever the panth has needed a renaissance it was from looking back to see what worked and then adapting it to the modern day. The puratan Singhs had so much self control they could take a beating without flinching in the morcha to regain control of the Gurdwara sahibs. I’m not saying defending Guru ji’s Bani is wrong, and I’m not saying we should do it exactly like puratan Singhs did, nor am I saying to take beatings, but we must alter the strategy in the best interests of the panth in each venue where protests happen. Canada is not India. Peaceful protests work here, violence does not. It is a matter of choosing the best strategy for the panth in order to achieve our ultimate goal, which is one panth united under the Nishan sahib of the Takhts and the Guru’s Bani, whether that bani be from our Guru, Guru Granth Sahib ji, or from the Tenth Guru’s Dasam Granth Sahib ji. Let’s examine some of their other methods: Recently the Rozana Spokesman, a propaganda rag that poses as a Sikh newspaper, began the final phase of their plan to attack Sikh dharm – an assault on the authenticity of Guru Granth Sahib ji itself. It is important for us to understand the extent to which these people will go in their attempts to demolish the Sikh dharm. The article below is translated from the Spokesman by Bhai Prabhjot Singh. After guru gobind singh ji left for his heavenly abode, those people, who were desperate to label Babeh Nanak’s sikhi as just another offshoot of brahmanical religion, suddenly became active. For centuries, these individuals had been fanatically determined to finish off any religion from this world that is not a part of Brahmanic ideology. Buddhism issued a challenge to this ideology, and everyone is aware of what these people did to that religion. These individuals also wanted to hurry to make Sikh religion a part of Brahmanic ideology so that no bigger trouble surface later. In this hurry, they got ‘Bachittar Natak’ written which is full of mistakes and lies and propagated that it is the autobiography of Guru Gobind Singh, written by himself. In that hurry, they also got few compositions from hindu granths from here-and-there and said that this all is the ‘treasure’ Guruji has left for us. The one and only purpose of these compositions was to make sikhi a part of Brahmanic ideology. Because the sikhs themselves were busy fighting wars, it became even more easy to push this conspiracy further and nirmalas, udhasis took this job in their hands. Not only books like ‘Gurbilas Patshahi 6′ and ‘Dasam Granth’, but almost all historical resources have been written by the nirmalas. The Srichandis (these people) these nirmalas and udhasis destroyed or burnt Babeh Nanak’s handwritten ‘Pothi Saihb’ and later wrote that this ‘Pothi’ was destroyed during wars. The ‘Cholaa’ of Babeh Nanak didnt get destroyed, the wooden sandles remained safe, every writing and memorials of all the other gurus and 35 bhagats remained safe, so was it that the wars had to only destroy the handwritten ‘Bani’ of Babeh Nanak? It is absolutely certain that these people made many changes to Guru Granth Sahib and started the bad trend of burning the older Birs [saroops] (so that every piece of evidence) could be destroyed, and started propagating the idea that ‘to do Sanskaar of old Birs’ is a part of religious duty. Only dead bodies are burnt. Do the old Birs symbolise the books of dead knowledge? Burning of knowledge can never be called an act of any religion. These people, in order to hide their ill-deeds, also started declaring that no changes can be made to any word, characters, or Matra of the bani of Guru Granth Sahib. To cover up their tracks, these very people, who had themselves made big changes, played this card to finalise their changes. There are many other religions. They also have their respected granths. No other religion made ‘Sanksaar’ or ‘Changes of words, characters and Maatras’ a sin. Why? Why didnt any Guru impose this kind of ban? Why did it occur to only nirmalas and udhaasis? There is a need to think, analyse and research this. Many proofs are surfacing that present evidence of thebut whenever anyone starts taking steps towards seeking the truth, the nirmalas and their agents start crying foul and say, “Look, he is raising objections against guru granth sahib. Those backstabbing of Babeh Nanak by nirmalas and udhaasis who screamed and shouted would never want the truth to surface and their plans explosed. We will write more on this later, for now however we want to give you the hint and pointer that right from the beginning, these srichandis have tried to backstab the philosophy of babeh nanak and have made a fool of the sikhs. Another bloody attempt at backstabbing has increased when panth accepted ‘nankshahi calender’ of 2003 has been restamped with ‘we are hindus’ dates on new calender. What was the need to make changes when this calender was accepted by the entire panth? A handful of nirmalas and their ‘Cholaa and round dastaar wearing’ sants started crying that how come their highly successful job of layering Brahmanic skin on sikh religion for the past 300 years has been brought to a abrupt halt with ‘nanakwadi’ approach. For the past 300 years, their sole purpose had been to try to keep the sikh philosophy, sikh gurdwaras, sikh maryadas, sikh history and gurbani attached to brahmanic ideology in one form or the other. In the 2003 ‘nanakshahi calender’ they could see complete seperation of the sikh philosophy and history from the brahmanic ideology. This attempt was to kill all the attempts of the srichandis. Srichandis became worried to no end. Consider this good fortune of the srichandis that the sikh politicians sitting on the seat of shromani committee meaning control of gurdwara golaks were finding hard to get votes of sabat soorat sikhs. The srichandis sants promised the votes of the lazy idlers sitting at their deras (the total of which is in lakhs) and as such have been successful at stabbing babeh nanak one more time with the help of these ‘akali leaders’. On the pretext of Sangrands and Massiyas, the nanakshahi calender has been attached to bikrami calender. They are scared that time is soon going to change its tide and if the wound is not inflicted on time, maybe new leader will not agree to do this job. Just as they succeded in propagating ‘dasam granth’ and ‘gurbilas’ in haste, they have now converted ‘nanakshahi calender’ into ‘dual-philosophy’ aka two-faced calender. The target is still the same that was 300 years ago – to not let the unique character of sikhi surface and to keep sikhi nailed to the floor with the rope of Brahmanic ideology. Like we said above, times have changed and this revolution of 21st century will soon bring an end to both of them. -link to original article Sadh sangat ji, these people completely reject other sources of Sikh history such as Janamsaakhi Guru Nanak devji (Bhai Bala wali), Gurbilas patshahi 6, Gurbilas patshahi 10, bansawlinama, Bhagatmaal, Sooraj parkash, both Panth Parkash granths and other texts as brahminical, mixed up, corrupted and not authentic and according to Gurmat. Unsurprisingly, these all are the only historical accounts written by Sikhs, and if we are to reject them all as un-authentic and corrupted, we’ll be left with no history of our own, written by Sikhs. So does that mean we should go to Hindus and Muslims for our history of that time??? I think this is what these people slandering Baani and history want to. They want to make us a pride-less, honour-less nation, which couldn’t write even its own history and want us to believe in the Hindu or muslim version of our History. Suppose we were to reject Gurbilas patshahi 6. in its present version, How are we going to know that who created Akaal takhat ( Akaal Bunga)? No muslim or hindu has written about it. It’s only this book which tells us that it was Guru Hargobind sahib ji maharaj, who with help of Baba Buddha ji and Bhai Gurdas ji built Akaal Bunga. These people want to snatch our History, our traditions, our faith from us. Now what if we got rid of Dasam Guru (ka) Granth Sahib (the Granth of the Tenth Guru)? We would lose our protection, we would lose that which gave us rakhya (protection) during the dark days our panth’s existence. Our panths roots lie in Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib ji, and Khande batte da Amrit (which is created from banis from both granths). I had written an article on this very group about six months ago, asking all the Dasam baani nindaks to present ‘’ANY’’ other history text of 17th century, where Shaheedi of Guru Teg Bahadur ji is mentioned as we believe it to be. We say that Guru Teg Bahadur sahib ji sacrificed his life to protect Faith and Symbols of Hindus. Read the Bachans of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj in Bachittar Natak, ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਞੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾਕਾ ॥ ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥ ਸਾਧਨਿ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥ ਸੀਸ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥13॥ ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤ ਸਾਕਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਸੀਸ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸਿਰਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਆ ॥ ਨਾਟਕ ਚੇਟਕ ਕੀਏ ਕੁਕਾਜਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਲੋਗਨ ਕਹ ਆਵਤ ਲਾਜਾ ॥14॥ ਦੋਹਰਾ ਠੀਕਰਿ ਫੋਰਿ ਦਿਲੀਸਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਪੁਰ ਕੀਆ ਪਯਾਨ ॥ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਸੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਕਰੀ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਆਨ ॥15॥ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਕੇ ਚਲਤ ਭਯੋ ਜਗਤ ਕੋ ਸੋਕ ॥ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਜਗ ਭਯੋ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜੈ ਸੁਰ ਲੋਕ ॥16॥ This Baani of Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj clearly states the Supreme Sacrifice made by Guru Teg Bahadur ji for protection of Dharam, Truth, Equality, Freedom of worship and Right to profess one’s faith. These are the values upon which modern day democratic systems of the world stand and which have been incorporated by Democratic countries in their constitutions. For these supreme ideals, Ninth Guruji gave his life, attained Shaheedi in Delhi along with three of his Sikhs. Now for a moment, remove this from our history, our literature, our psyche! Can anyone of us, we believers or the Nindaks of Dasam Baani, present any historical account of Guruji’s shaheedi for Dharam. Answer is NO. There is no account of 17th century which says this. No Hindu wrote about it and Muslims those who wrote in their books gave their own fanatic Islamic version of Guruji’s shaheedi. They say ‘’Guru Teg Bahadur was a plunderer, looter and Rapist, who along with a Sufi faqir of Lahore launched a movement against Islamic empire of Aurangzeb. There was a fight near Lahore, where he was captured and hanged to death in Lahore in 1675. His body was cut in four pieces and hanged in four directions of Lahore city’. And these accounts were all written in 1670’s and 80’s. Fanatic muslims were and are hell bent against Rise of Sikhi, and modern day Hindu, under influence of RSS, VHP and other groups wants to throw away the ‘’favour’’ done by Sikh Gurus for them, so that they can be relieved of this burden. Now think, rejecting Dasam baani as false and myth and lies will benefit whom?? Sikhs or Hindus and muslims?? My challenge for any other 17th century account of Guruji’s shaheedi, which was sent six months ago to Dasam baani nindaks, stands till today.’Present any account, which you believe in’! Its upto you Khalsa ji, to judge now, as who are agents of Anti-Sikh forces, who want to dis-honour our great Gurus! -from Kamaljeet Singh Shaheedsar of Facebook group No Khalsa Panth without Dasam Guru (ka) Granth Sahib They are attempting to attack from all sides. Our faith is being tested in this game of separating the wheat from the chaff. But true sikhs don’t despair. When we examine history we see that the panth always emerges victorious so long as it maintains faith in Gurmat. Guru ji himself will give us the victory as the endgame is always in Maharaj’s hands. After all, how can mere chaff stand up against Gareeb Nivaaz Satguru Gobind Singh ji himself? http://khojee.wordpr...ranth-sahib-ji/

Mattewal backs probe panel advice CM asks DGP to register case Prabhjot Singh Tribune News Service Chandigarh, April 8 A media war over the alleged malicious writings related to various aspects of Sikhism has prompted the state government to invoke various provisions of the law to initiate action against those found guilty. Acting on the recommendations of the Advocate-General Hardev Singh Mattewal, Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal has asked Director-General of Police PS Gill to get a case registered at Amritsar and get proper investigations conducted. It all started on April 2 when the SGPC chief Avtar Singh Makkar accompanied by a delegation of the Sant Samaj and chief of Damdami Taksal met the Chief Minister to demand action against a Punjabi newspaper published from Mohali for its “alleged malicious writings about Sikh Gurus, Guru Granth Sahib, and various institutions of the Sikhs”. On the memorandum submitted by the delegation, the Chief Minister observed that since it was a serious issue, an in-depth study of the writings from a legal point of view be conducted and report given in two days’ time. A three-member inquiry committee comprising three Additional Advocates-General — AS Jattana, Uttam Singh Dhaliwal and Baljinder Singh Sra — was constituted by the Advocate-General. The committee went through the memorandum as well as the alleged malicious writings. It observed that the “author has consistently, deliberately and maliciously questioned some of the very basic principles, practices and beliefs of the Sikh religion and its institutions, namely the five Takhts, Banis of the Nitnem and Sikh Ardas, etc, etc. “All this is grossly offensive and provocative being an attempt to insult and outrage the feelings of the Sikhs by questioning their religion and religious beliefs. It is the basic article of faith of the Sikhs that Guru Granth Sahib is the living Guru of the Sikhs and embodies a divine message.” The committee held that these publications comprehended within the meaning of the offence as defined in Section 295-A of the IPC and suggested that the matter should be sent immediately to the Director-General of Police for taking necessary action forthwith. And since the main complainants are the SGPC chief Makkar and the Damdami Taksal chief Baba Harnam Singh, the committee also recommended that a case be registered at Amritsar. The Advocate-General besides endorsing the recommendations also quoted the Supreme Court in SGPC vs Som Nath Dass case where the holiest book of the Sikhs, Guru Granth Sahib, compiled by the fifth Guru, Guru Arjan Dev, has been described as the Bible of the Sikhs. It also says that Sri Guru Granth Sahib is a living Guru of the Sikhs. The Chief Minister reportedly sent the recommendations to the Director-General for immediate action. __._,_.___

Canadians really do not care about what this lady writes as they are not interested in ethnic fights. The article is aimed at ignorant sikhs to sway their opinion. It is not a tussle between moderates and otehrs.I will not call those moderates who disowned first Dasam Granth sahib and now are disputing bani of SGGS ji as well.There are plenty of other gurudwaras in that city.Ragi darshan singh is banned in those Gurudwaras since long time.Only kala afghana joint sikh lehar center permits him. They are basically those who have left sikhism and have a separate sect like Nirankaris.This is what we should bring to attention of others. Already their ring leader spokesman editor is charged under criminal section 295 for disputing banis of SGGS ji.

No one knows what was used.This is what Ragi darshal lal followers allege. Police will investigate and decide.I will not believe in these propaganda news. It is other side that is said to have satrted the fight.They too had karas and kirpans.

This site is a tabloid.There is one iJ Singh who is supporter of kala afghana.He also supports ragi darshan and is opponent of akal takhat. I wrote comments but he did not approve those. We should write comments nevertheless.More we write better it is. They were dispalying ragi darshan singh's photo on their home page. I wrote to remove it.They will not care.But finally the photo is removed.

I live in USA and i consider it as my home.There is hardly any discrimination.Every citizen has equal rights. Such incidents are thrust upon sikhs by forces inimical to sikhs.It is sad that so called sikhs become their agents for wrecking their own community.

Anti sikh elements are doing amrit sanchar with two banis.One such group was detected at kanpur. The case is with Akal takhat sahib. Please see

That is vey important part.Already there are false stories being planted to malign singhs.Darshan ragi owns a news site.That is mouthpiece of falsehood. Most probably Darshan Ragi gang will try vancouver as their next test ground.

Singh ji, this is a menace thrust upon sikhs by anti sikh forces.Sikhs have to face it in an intelligent way and atckle it once for all. I know there was one narinder Grewal who was playing havoc with sikh teachings in the same way as ragi is doing.He was based in toronto.Most probably he was stopped from doing his activities with help of law enforcing agencies. Do you know waht happened in his case?

Mangat is notorious for hosting anti sikh elements of kala afghana cult engaged in distrotion of sikh teachings and history. Sikh lehar center is a kala afghana cenetr where sikh traditions are propagated against.Friends of these excommunicated persons will not understand the spirit of Gursikhs who protested against Gurnindak Ragi.Mnngat is said the first one to hurl punch on Gursikhs when they were going to Gurudwara.

Listen to a simple ragi and you will know what these heretcis are upto. http://www.panthic.org/videoviewer.php?ID=10124471

Jathedar of akal takhat sahib has taken the right decision by excommunicating Ragi Darshan.had it been a controversial decision sikhs would not have domnstrated for implementation of this decision as evident in uK and now in canada. Akal takhat's role should never be slighted especially when the heretic gang of kala afghanis have started questioning autehnticity of SGGS also. If there is no akal takhat where will sikhs for guidance.

This question is not in line with your original post.This is a hypothetical case. The answer is akal takhat is supreme for sikhs.If a person inimical to sikh interests takes control of akal takhat sikhs will lauch struggle to take control back.Example is massa rangar taking control of Harmanidr sahib. This does not change the status of Guru Panth among sikhs.Akal takhat reprsents Guru panth for sikhs.

Sikhs follow miri and piri that is saint soldier concept. Akal takhat represents Guru panth in the form of panj piaras. That is why it is always supreme for sikhs. Kala afghana followers want to destroy that concept. That is why so much propaganda against akal takhat.

http://www.panthic.org/articles/5237 SIKH PROTEST: RAGI AND CRONIES ROUTED AND HUMILIATED IN TORONTO PANTHIC.ORG | Published on April 2, 2010 Police with Canine Units Patrol Kala-Afghani Lehar Center where Ragi was to visit. Brampton, Toronto (KP) – Ex-communicated heretic, Ragi Darshan and his cronies suffered another major setback when a 3-day function in his Canadian hometown collapsed and was cancelled amidst the chaos and boisterous protests by the greater Toronto Sikh community. The pro-Kala Afghani Sikh Lehar Center on Bramsteele Road in Brampton, commonly referred to as the “ਸਿੱਖ ਜ਼ਹਿਰ ਸੈਂਟਰ”, became the center of controversy again, after organizers decided to host a weekend function and invite the ex-communicated Ragi who is forbidden by Sri Akal Takht Sahib from utilizing the platforms of any Sikh institution. Earlier, Sikh community members voiced their concerns to the Peel Regional Police. They had warned that if the pro-Kala Afghani Sikh Lehar Center allowed the controversial Ragi to perform Kirtan at the complex, it would be a serious violation of Sri Akal Takht Sahib Edicts; which could trigger a fierce backlash from the Sikh community. Despite the warnings, the organizers went ahead and scheduled the function anyway. The function was to be initiated Friday evening, and conclude on Sunday. By early evening on Friday, hundreds of protestors from the Sikh community, young and old, had gathered outside the Lehar Center. Their message was simple: they would not allow the ex-communicated Ragi Darshan on stage. Protests have followed the Ragi everywhere in India and Europe since he was ex-communicated from the Sikh Panth in January of 2010. Fearing the wrath of the Sikh Sangat, the Ragi decided to not show up at the Brampton venue but left his supporters stuck in a conundrum. Below are some highlights of the events from Friday. Several Hundred members of Toronto's Sikh Community Unite Against Ragi an his Kala-Afghani Supporters Fearing opposition, Ragi Darshan fails to show up at anti-Panthic venue Kala-Afghanis Armed with Sticks and Rods Challenge and Assault Sikh Sangat Main organizers, Manjit Mangat, Jagdish Mangat publicly humiliated by Sikh Activists Police shield organizers from massive show of force by Sikh community The pro-Kala Afghani Sikh Lehar Center is not new to controversy, earlier this year, one of its members, Harman Mann, had publicly rediculed Sri Jaap Sahib and challenged the Sikh community with his blasphemous remarks. Several Panthic sevadars accepted his 'challenge' and came over to the Lehar Center earlier this year and disciplined Harman Mann appropriately. More photos and details of the protest coming soon... Manjit Mangat, president of anti-Panthic Sikh Lehar Center, bloodied in an altercation, stands humiliated at the front steps of his complex where Ragi was to visit. Police surround complex to shield a handfull of Kala-Afghanis during the protest by the Sikh community Ragi supporters in dismay and state of shock after boisterous protest from Sikh Community

Charitropakhayan.The british had got Dasam Granth sahib translated after taking over Punjab. There was a letter from Commissionaer of Amritsar to Public relations department of Punjab saying Dasam granth taught politics. Quote There are various allusions to royalty in the Sikh Scriptures. Good advice is given to King,Such as exhortations to justice and diligence(Charits 204,Book of the 10th King),Guru Govind addressed 12 admonitory Hikaiyats or stories to the Emperor Aurungzed which form the concluding portion of the Grunth of Guru Gobind Sing.The writings (who in number)called”Rajnit”contain advice for the Kings as well as for the subjects”. (Extract from letter No.989,dated 3rd October,1873 from D.C.Amritsar to Director Public Instruction,Punjab)

Ragi darshan lal is going from country to country like a prostitute.The main aim of his backers is to show that he has following in these coutries. It is gathered that after a dismal showing in UK where he failed to do kirtan in gurudwara sahib, snagat of Norway and Belgium stopped him from doing kirtan.THat is a great news.