On 3/1/2020 at 4:59 PM, Nalwa said:

Is it safe to focus on the Ajna chakra while doing Waheguru jaap? Last time I focused very hard on it, I didn't feel like engaging in any worldly task and just wanted to sit and recite the lords name. There was a lot of pain all over my forehead; physically and mentally I wasn't doing well. There was a lot of fear I was experiencing that I wouldn't be able to recite God's name. Spiritually speaking I had never experienced something like that in my life. I think it was equally good and bad experience. So much intoxication, your mind is just immersed in Waheguru. Losing all consciousness of your body. It was something I want to experience again. Any thoughts?

It's fine. 

You can pm me if you have any issues with it.

If you want to do advanced simran then ask a sant for simran di jugti, do whatever they say, then go back after 6 months and ask for the next stage. Most people aren't serious so they won't give the advanced stuff to them. 

2 minutes ago, Sat1176 said:

Did he say what was naam? 

whatever name that you're japping. We didn't go in depth into this topic, he just said don't get focused on anhad shabad, go past it. 

i (personal view) see it as a helper. listening to it pulls your surti out from the world so you can more easily focus on naam. But if you are already focused than its fine to completely ignore it and focus on naam. 

Anhad Shabad helps bring our surti inward. 

However, Sant Jagjit Singh ji says Andhad shabad is NOT Naam. Keep the main focus on Naam.

anyone do sangat of sant manjit singh ji? what are they like?

sometimes people have a lot of anxiety issues and that manifests as muscular tension. The solution is exercise and breathing through your perineum area.  Breathing through your pelvic floor is a more natural way of breathing and may make swas swas simran much easier to do as well as lessen anxiety.

From my own experience I have revealed some slight element of my spiritual state to a class of youth. I originally told them in a roundabout way about parkash they can receive when doing simran without mentioning my own name. They asked me if I saw it as well. I avoided the question b/c I didn't want to disclose it... they asked again and I said yes. And after that I felt that I lost much of the prakash. 

The moral of the story is never ever reveal your spiritual kirpa to anyone who is skeptical of you. If they won't believe you you can suffer a loss. However, if they will believe you it can be a big punn. When in doubt, don't reveal it. This is my own very bitter experience. 

To reveal it to someone more advanced is fine if we need to discuss to ask them questions. But the danger comes when we reveal it to nastik people, or people who have doubts.

A friend of mine just met with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale. He said it's okay to do paath of these kinds of Banis but don't do lots of repetitions without the appropriate viddhi. There is special viddhi for Brahm Kavach or Chandi di Var if your going to be doing tons of abhyaas of these. It's not for everyone. So speak to proper Mahapurkh before you start doing lots. These Banian are different than our regular nitnem Banis, the maryada for doing lots of abhyaas is much more sukt. 

He mentioned, for example, that a singh came to him who had done chalisa of Chandi di Vaar without the appropriate viddhi. After about 20 days he came to see Baba ji b/c blood had started coming out of his stool, his nose, his mouth... There is a right way to go about doing these things so you should speak to a mahapurkh before beginning. 

You need to speak to gyaani Mahapursh before proceeding. See the warning here: 

it's not only physical celibacy, but celibacy of the mind along with redirection of this powerful energy into Naam. This transforms the consciousness and greatly increases the speed at which you move into a state of higher consciousness. Note that this is different than normal worldy intellect. This is a more refined, spiritual intellect. Although I'm certain that the same thing can be used to power an increase in worldly intellect as well. 

On 7/25/2018 at 10:36 PM, J1979 said:

Veer Ji, sat Sri akal.can anyone please help me with the heated head.the scalp is burning after few months of intense simran.any jugti or medicine.very disheartening for me.please help me.

you need to massage oil onto your scalp. the top of the head, temples, and top back area of the head. any oil is okay, almond oil is pretty good to use. you can also put a bit of oil in your belly button and nostrils if you want. 

Jojoba oil seems to smell nice. pricey though. 

On April 28, 2018 at 11:20 PM, Koi said:

Just to add to this, for those who have read Se Kinehiya, Sant Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera Wale did not have a physical/living master. He only worshipped Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, a point which us made very clear throughout the book.

Now, I'm not saying a spiritual master is not needed. In fact I would say they are extremely beneficial, no doubt. But, as far as what we need is concerned, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is all we need.

 This point was also said by Sant Baba Waryam Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib Wale. That if you are unable to recognise whether or not someone is a saint, then don't worry. Only believe and bow to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. That is enough.

I asked Gyani Thakur Singh ji this. He told me that Baba Harnam Singh ji did a massive amount of seva of the udassee sant mentioned at the beginning of the book. That sant didn't give him anything. So even though he didn't follow any sant after he broke with the udassee sant  (after that sant wanted him to leave the way of the Khalsa), he still got the phall of doing sewa of a sant. 

As for Sant Attar Singh ji, I'm certain you could find the lineage previous to him if you search. 

For more on what Gurbani states is the role of sants see https://khojee.wordpress.com/category/role-of-sants/

I would always keep Bani playing if I could, even if there is nobody around to here. You don't know if there aren't roohan that you can't see listening. Bhagat ji promotes having Bani on all the time, even if you're doing stuff. This helps a lot on the spiritual path. But obviously not the same as doing paath with focus. 

On April 26, 2018 at 1:18 AM, Sat1176 said:

Experiences of Naam Abhiyaasi Singhs | Giani Thakur Singh Ji

 

This. This needs to be shared with anyone who walks this path and runs into strange experiences, unexpected changes etc. etc. etc. If you're not sure if your experience is normal, THIS needs to be listened to.

In the Sikh dharm there are many realised sants. However, in this dharm there role is more to help join you with the powerhouse of Gurbani b/c any living master, no matter how realized, will eventually leave their body while Guru Granth Sahib ji will remain. 

http://asiasamachar.com/2018/04/12/18692/  good opinion piece

http://www.gurmatparchar.com/#/nanak-shah-fakir-review/4589118383 a review by pracharak Sukhjeevan Singh

tons of studies on various kinds of meditation, all applicable to naam simran.

8 hours ago, John K said:

I live in Chicagoland area. Thank you!

Does anybody know of any sants who go to this area? I don't. 

Generally when you regularly go to the larger Sikh temples once in a while a sant will come to visit. You can then ask them for help. If I were in your shoes I wouldn't worry and just keep doing bhagti in the meantime. 

On March 11, 2018 at 10:38 AM, paapiman said:

Do you have knowledge of other schools of thought?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Just the DDT style. Punjabi University of Patiala models their Punjabi and their attempts to standardize Punjabi on Taksal's santhya b/c they feel that the Taksal has preserved the original language best. 

On April 7, 2018 at 11:26 AM, John K said:

Hello brothers! I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread and I hope you can provide me some insight.

A quick background, I followed many meditative paths throughout my life. One of the was a Sant Mat(Rhadoswami Path). One day, while meditating, the sound current, spontaneously started in my left ear. I was overjoyed, until some members told me that was Kal, etc. etc. and it freaked me out, because it freaked me out so much I kept my attention on it constantly monitoring(my subconscious saw this as a huge threat so it was constantly checkin, checking, etc, etc. I'm also prone to OCD and have had considerably childhood trauma). *Note I was able to centralize the sound when I worked with it but I gave up as I was frustrated, fearful and hadn't had the equanimity of mind. I struggled with it for a while until, I focused on life and ultimately found another teaching and forgot about the sound, didn't hear it for many years.

I was very zealous about meditation. This one in particular I would meditate for many hours a day and go on extended retreats. I suffered so much with my mind throughout my life that I was actually using meditation as a drug of sorts.  Fast forward many years of head based practice and I had a spontaneous kundalini awakening and my crown chakra open. I felt my entire life force get pushed out of the top of my head and out of the chakra at the back of the head. Life was miserable for many years(and still is to a degree) I was disorientated and felt like I was going to lose my mind. I was so ungrounded and dissociated constantly I could barely function and my saintly wife more or less took care of me and my affairs.

Literature and some teachers advised me to ground my practice, which I did. I started a downward, body-scan type meditation and focusing on my breath at the belly, going for long walks, focusing attention at my feet. I practiced rather vigilantly. I started feeling better. I could connect to the world, to my wife, to my children, I felt like I was waking up from some sort of coma. I was delighted. 

About 6 months ago, I started feeling heat(chi) around my left ear and next. I would also notice swirling energy in that area. I thought nothing of it and thought of it as something positive. This heat and swirling continued randomly for a couple more weeks. Then one morning I woke up and my left ear was screaming, EEEEEEEEEEEEEE, accompanied by little tinker bells in the exact area of the hear, again, I thought nothing of it and more or less continued with my life trying to function with this noise. I even went to a chiropractor that did an adjustment and I felt that flow of warm heat down my left ear, down my neck and into my shoulder. I again thought this was a positive sign of some energy channel opening.  When I would meditated with this noise it seemed it became louder and encompased my head like a halo.

Fast forward A couple of weeks past and it really lost it's intensity, but I foolishly decided to venture into the internet to read about what this was. I came across stories of poor souls who just had some of the darkest, darkest stories about their battle with tinnitus(I wont go into details), etc, etc... and that was the hook, that's all it took. I then became immensely afraid as well. I started having panic attacks, the noise would get louder, the bells would get more intense, I would get more panic stricken, a really vicious cycle. I would go days without sleeping and I was literally letting this noise drive me crazy(all the trauma from the kundalini, my fight or flight system was geared for the worst). I would check "it" first thing in the morning, and last thing at night. It consumed me, I literally spent 90% of my thought about it, and I would perpetuate my suffering by reading these awful stories online. I was so hyper-vigilant I would focus on it, all the little sounds(I called it alien morse code) and could not stop myself.  All the crisis lead me to start dissociating again, an interesting side note when I become totally dissociated, there was just pure silence.... it was very interesting and I believe it might be meaningful in some way.

What do you all think about it? Is it sound current, is it tinnitus? At one point I convinced myself it was sound current and guess what(it dissapeared) but that didn't last and my mind took me down the damn same rabbit hole again.  So, here I am, still reeling, found this thread and thought it might be a good idea to check in with you all. 

Waheguru and love
John

I don't know what it is.

But I'll tell you the general principle for all meditation. Just keep focused on the meditation and let whatever sensations  / experiences you have be. They will come, whatever is gonna happen will happen, and then they will go. I have found that the the body has energy channels which have blockages, these blockages become opened up *automatically* during meditation. During the process of them opening up, we experience sensations. But these sensations are not the goal of the path, but rather side effects of unblocking. Hence the instruction to stay focused on your meditation. 

Generally, my feeling is if something happens that might be a health issue we should get it checked out. In kaljug most people don't have a great avastha so stuff that comes up is usually health related rather than spiritual advancement. BUT, keep in mind that sometimes disease is buried deep, and as our body gets cleaned out, we experience colds etc which is garbage coming out of the body. So it's actually a good thing. 

Finally, if you still are unsure, go meet a sant. The internet cannot give you an accurate diagnosis but a sant who has a high avastha can probably help guide you further as needed. If you let us know which city you live near, we might be able to guide you to a sant. 

On March 25, 2018 at 7:41 AM, HisServant said:

Something odd happened this morning. 

I started to notice the left side of my body was a lot cooler than the right side. Right was really warm. I put focus on the left side and the entire body went cool. When thoughts came back the body went warm again. As of now, left is cool and right is warm. 

I know sooraj is right side and moon is left side. I just wasn’t sure whether the body actually feels the sensations of hot and cold when the breath is balanced. Does gurbani say anything about this?

This experience is new. I make an update if anything interesting happens.   

All sorts of different sensations will be felt at different times as the body and mind become purified. Totally normal. Best to keep focus on naam and just enjoy.