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Eh? I told some of you a few years ago that some juicy stuff would come out in 2014. Most of you said it wouldnt be surprising, I presumed this wasnt going to come as a surprise to you. After all we have had the Wikileaks revelations that American mercenary companies were wary of supporting the Indian govt during the late 80s because of the CIA's position on the Khalistan issue (which was that it was a good sideshow to prevent India helping their commie buddies in Afghanistan rather than some love of Sikh independence). Though after 1989 they were happy to take contracts as British mercenary companies had done already. So where do we go from here? Obviously the munshis in Whitehall are getting our taxes worth out of their shredders so that any documents that do come out give a positive spin. Or support the 'honest, it wasnt us gov' narrative. FIrst they'll probably ask for proof that the SAS actually provided any help in planning the actual attack. No doubt ignoring the fact that the Indian govt had built a replica of the temple for planning for some kind of attack (a training tactic common among the SAS and SBS) and the SAS officer probably didnt just wander around the Taj Mahal on his trip. Then they'll say the attack wasnt anything like an SAS raid. Of course it wasnt - the enemy werent some goatfuckers on opium or some phoney terrorists holed up in an embassy. The first stage of the Indian attack involved a clandestine attack by special forces. It may have even been led by the SAS for all we know. Just as the SAS attacks against determined and prepared defenders usually turns to shit in other cases like during WW2 or the first time in Afghanistan (against Kommandos and Spetsnaz respectively) so did this attack. I'm guessing but the Indian staff officers probably panicked as it dawned on them that if morning broke in Amritsar whilst they were still besieging Harimandir Sahib, their position may become unwinnable. Shades of Ferozeshah some might say. So they called in the tanks and artillery in a last ditch attempt to win and re-organise themselves before day broke. Finally we'll be told so what? Accusations of terrorism, feigning offence at the thought that Britain could do wrong, cries of 'what have the Sikhs ever done for us?!' all trying to guilt trip and threaten us back into conformity. Be a good little Sikh and you too might have a daughter with such low self esteem that any angrezi can pick her up or have your son marry a gori and have children so you can finally feel accepted and no longer an outsider. You might even get to move to an area with no other Sikhs so you can revel in your tokenism. And dont tell me Sikhs wont fall for this. We've been falling for it for ages. How can you blame Sikh girls for being groomed when they see their elders jump up and down on other's metaphorical *****. As for Cameron, this is his Churchill or Dyer moment. I'm guessing as he is outraged at the idea of sensitive papers being released as much as the SAS's hand in a massacre, it'll be the latter. What's Punjabi for whitewash?

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/32064-minor-girl-abducted-on-pretext-of-marriage-ludhiana-police-booked-youth-from-himachal

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/32178-assault-on-punjabi-university-student-student-unions-protest-against-police-inaction

http://www.racialicious.com/2009/04/17/searching-for-my-Pakistani-identity/

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/eccles-sex-slave-trial-girl-was-stabbed-681955

http://www.thedailybeast.com/witw/articles/2013/08/05/britain-s-muslim-communities-see-rise-in-multiple-marriages-as-career-women-seek-part-time-husbands.html

Was it anything like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10326254/City-broker-sues-over-curry-muncher-racial-slurs.html Man, all it would take is a few cases where these idiots are sued till they squeak and their HR departments might take it a bit more seriously. It might make them employ less Sikhs but it should mean that Sikhs gravitate towards better workplaces or at least ones that are geared more towards real work rather than English past times.

Eh? Anyone know of the story of the Sikh spy who tricked a British regiment before the Battle of Chillianwallah? The story goes that a British regiment was marching down the road near Chillianwallah as part of the main British force when a Sikh officer started riding alongside them. Thinking he was from one of the Eastern Sikh States the regiment stopped and saluted. The Sikh officer inspected them, asked some a few questions and then ordered them on their way. The regiment saw him canter off in front of them before bolting across a field towards the Punjabi lines. It dawned on them what was going on but their shots missed as he was out of range and had gone into the woods where the Khalsa had set up positions. I cant remember where this was from but all this talk of spies brought it back.

It's all well and good criticising people of the past but it's not like modern Sikhs have overcome any of the previous problems that the Sikhs of the 18th century had dealt with. At least they went up to Peshawar, Multan, Ladakh etc, our modern lot cant even hold on to EP. I would like to ask the author and any other Sikh what kind of perfect society would Sikhs like to live in? The author seems to insist that money obsessed rich Jatts created an unegalitarian society. Which is true to some extent. But what was the alternative? Communism? The truth is there should have been greater sharing of resources and wealth but with the increase in Sikh numbers there was always going to be some inequality. Which brings me onto another thing that Sikh historians dont seem to like to talk about - freeloaders. In the times of the Guru Gobind Singh Ji it was easy to act or to proclaim things that would show your faith but if you refused to fight or refused to do your duty there was no point claiming you were holier than Swiss cheese as everyone in your community would know. As the 18th and 19th century came along and Sikhs won over the Mughals and Afghans, anyone could claim to be SIkh. Where as the Sarbat Khalsa was usually so good at choosing leaders/organisation/roles etc, as more more people joined the faith and the ability to weed out the idiots waned it turned into an Idiocracy. This can be seen by what happened after Maharaja Ranjit Singh's death. The hoi polloi held the aristocracy hostage and pretended it was to uphold the egalitarian values of the Khalsa. In reality it was just to squeeze more money out of the Government. Everyone likes to slag off the Dogras. But did you know they were elected by the Khalsa to lead them into the First Anglo Sikh War? All those Sikh men, young and old, Jatt and non-Jatt, decided that the Dogras would lead them. They sat by whilst the traitorous converts murdered royals, exiled heroes and lined their own pockets. All the while proclaiming how religous they were, how much they loved the average person and how great the future would be after the British had been defeated. It's a bit rich to complain about an aristocracy when you cant even have a proper revolution and replace it with a better system - and to then go on and lose everything. If you want a bit more insight into the relationships of the classes of the Khalsa Raj, look at the letters British officers and spies wrote around that time period. There is one which talked about how melancholy Sikh officers in Lahore looked, just like their counterparts in Paris. Which isnt surprising as both countries had armies with strong republican tendencies as well as being countries in turmoil which led to the Second Republic for the French and annexation for the Punjabis. The English and Prussians never had to deal with that so it's no wonder the latter made a habit of kicking in the French Army when they got the opportunity. Another book I read by a British officer talked about his discussion with old Sikh soldiers who were now employed by Britain. They said to him that the British won because their officers fought and died alongside the men where as their Sikh officers would tell them to go off and fight but wouldnt care what happened. Anecdotal evidence, yes, but it is telling of some battalions/regiments. How many times have you heard fundo Sikhs come up with deluded ideas on the real world and bizarre theories that they are not so keen to actually go out and practice? For SIkh officers, with the constant threat of riots and average soldiers shooting them for the sake of 'equality', it's no wonder they didnt want to lead them into battle. If they were so equal and knowledgeable shouldnt the average Jogs be able to do it themselves? After the war did the Sikh plebs turn around and say to the aristocrats 'look we've both messed up, let's work together to rebuild ourselves,' like so many other races have done after catastrophic wars? Like hell they did. They jumped into bed with the goreh and never looked back. Did the Jimmy Saviles give you children the equality you always wanted lol? Sikhs went and fought in places they had no issue with, against people they had no quarrel with all in the hope of some grand prize. But we even managed to mess that up by letting Master Tara SIngh (what caste was he again?) lead us into the worst case scenario. Another convert with his own ideas of a perfect future leading us into oblivion which suits the people of their old background. Beginning to see a bit of a pattern here. Well done Khalsa. When will this race to the bottom end? Who knows. But with the Ravidassias in Brum battering one another in their temples over money and 3HO doing the whole 'Bhai Can You Spare A Dime?' routine all the time, I dont think this is a caste issue anymore.

Stop quoting lines from Jimmy Savile's Burden.

As a diehard Khalistani I have to say the idea of a Sikhi inspired state fills me with dread. It is so weird how Sikhs think all their problems will evaporate overnight with independence and that all we will have to worry about is solving world hunger or making the world Sikh lol. What about food security, law and order, defence, economic planning? So many Sikhs are in cloud cuckoo land that I'm glad there are so many level headed Punjabi nationalists in the movement to keep it in the real world. If we do get our own state it will be a predominantly Punjabi state. That means only those of Punjabi ancestry or parentage/grandparentage will be allowed in. Maybe some others, but it wont be an open door policy. Anything else will lead to annihilation. As you can see by the present immigration level in East Punjab. Does that make us racist? No. Does that make us hypocrites? No. Does that go against our Gurus' teachings? No. Will foreign people/coconuts/lefties/sulleh lovers guilt trip us into getting their way and doing what they want? You bet your ass on it. If you want a multicultural SIkh state why dont you start somewhere else in the world? Punjabis have nowhere else to go and you fundos all say you will rule the whole world one day, so why not start in Southall or Arizona instead. Which brings me onto another thing. If East Punjab was an independant country, what would it be like? Sikhs are so lost from reality that they think a good thing is a bad thing and vice versa. If any American/African/Asian/European country had the same levels of emigration as EP they would be considered failed states. Yet Sikhs act like leaving EP is great and that it furthers their own future - by laying bricks and shagging poor foreigners. Oh dear oh dear. You want to build a country out of wannabe builders and prostitutes? Go for it. The irony is that if the Sikh religous and political institutions created an environment where Sikh family life was the norm, something to strive for and economically sustainable then these people wouldn't have had to leave. If they had got married and had 5 kids (with support from the government and community) within one generation our number would have increased to 50 million. If this had carried on for another generation we would have had a 100 million Punjabi Sikhs by 2048. Obviously some would have to emigrate but which country in their right mind would turn away hard working SIkhs? But no. No we couldnt do it. We guilt tripped the people back home about our supposedly great lives here. They filled their own heads with bizarre fantasies about what their kids would achieve abroad. None of this was tempered by Sikh religous leaders. They sent their kids off and now an entire generation is lost to the construction sites and brothels of the rest of the world. Round of applause! Even the Africans in EP say as much to the Sikhs there lol. Who in their right mind lets people into their country to create 'colonies'? The word is so loaded, but as usual Sikhs decide to just imagine their own reality so devoid of reason it would be funny if it wasnt so damaging. If you cant even save your own people how can you claim to save the world? I cant even imagine day to day things being achievable in Khalistan with the number of religous nutters we have. Could you imagine being in something like a nuclear submarine full of Sikhs? Alarms going off, flooding, radioactive leaks and some of the the sailors would be like 'It is all his Hukam, dont worry Guruji will protect me from radiation and drowning!' whilst sitting on their hands and endagering everyone around them. Might sound a bit far fetched but there are enough Sikhs like this that we cant put them in certain situations. Going back to social problems Khalistan would face, look at the treatment of women. Singhs are indifferent to female infanticide, grooming and women trafficking...... until they have to get married. Then when they cant find a girl for themselves it becomes a massive issue over Sikh women not liking men with beards and turbans. Trust me, women couldnt care less how you look as long as your clean/fit. But if you're ugly on the inside and a selfish idiot who is obsessed with nothing but quasi-holiness and self-gratification then no normal Sikh woman will want to build a future with you. And no amount of prostituting Sikhi abroad will bring in enough goriya for all of you lol. Add to all this how Sikhs in EP now put statues of Buddha, Jesus, Koranic writings etc next to pictures of our Gurus in their homes. You even see picture of Jesus and Guru Gobind Singh in freshies' cars in the UK. Why? Because 'all paths lead to God'. Oh dear, oh dear, who let that happen? Might sound like a lovely sound bite when trying to ingratiate yourself with your hosts and idols but it's misinterpretation is ruining the very faith you proclaim to love and spread. Go home Khalsa, you're drunk. If we were to have a Khalistan, it would be a real country in the real world. The question is would Sikhs and Punjabis be willing to work to make it a great place, or does the fantasy of a Sikh country provide some kind of a 'hit' for the addled minds of the average Sikh?

Aint that the truth. Though in 15-20 years when all the racist chavs and poor sulleh from here that have gone and settled there have roots and brought up kids it may mean our lot will have to grow up and stop living in Disneyland. Unless they dont want to take heed of this warning. But we all know what will happen then. Whether I am smart or not, even I can see that muslims in general would like to brush this under the carpet. Why? Because a lot of non-pak muslims simply dont care as long as they arent affected or something they hold dear isnt attacked. If that is the case then Islam will not stop being targetted until muslims learn to leave alone what others hold dear. It's a simple enough point. The muslim community has two options. Join in with backing their brothers and trying to sweep this under the carpet which will forever tarnish Islam and its adherents wherever they may come from and justify everything bad that will happen to them in the future. Or turf the paks out and show that they can be good muslims by dealing with those who use Islam to justify bad practices. If they will not be smoked out of their hole by what is going on then they will get gassed with the rest of the rats. One thing Sikh fundos need to get through their thick heads is that just because you would throw siropas around, bow down to and let your women jump up and down on anyone who is nice to you doesnt mean that if you are nice that everyone else will give you all that you want. Has it ever occurred to anyone that all these guilt trips and promises of future reward are exactly what the white and musis always do to placate us? In Canada white politicians do this with the Sikh community all the time. Do this to get that. Oh it wasnt good enough. Oh you've got to try harder. Even the Scots/Chinese/Africans dont fall for these empty promises and set up to fail requests. Why are Sikhs so childish that they cant see this? If we met their demands, they would want more. If we gave them more they would say we havent given them enough. All the while the issue we want resolved is left to fester as it is drowned out by the constant whining and wants of others put before the needs of our own. If the muslims wanted to help us stop the groomers they would do it unconditionally.

Send him back to Pakistan.

Well it looks like all the pendu rapists have left to come here so they decided to import some. And they say Sikhs are most egalitarian when it comes to women issues.

Mate, you're the only b*tch round here. Which is surprising considering your complete lack of respect for women. Run along now, save the world from the dumbasses. Oh and dont take that as meaning you should kill yourself lol.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/muslims-respond-news-sikh-girls-raped-muslims-uk

Ah man and I was enjoying myself so much as well, it was like the good old days on here.

Oh look how smart he is, grading me and going on about spelling. Cries about how much a victim he is to cover up his own patronising self. *Snore*. Dont cry though, you could send a cloud to rain on me or melt my KitKats. After all you are this super smart psychic who is a far better judge of everything than anyone else.

Nah mate, you're a tinfoil bender. Just without the tinfoil. I think you need to stop being such a fundamenalist. I know it may be nice acting like the muslims but your views on law and order are so off the mark I think it's best if you stuck to the abstract and left the real world to the people who live there.

What does his religion have to do with it? I'm surprised he was paid so little by the British. Considering how other sources talk about how Maharaja Ranjit Singh liked to throw his money around his court it seems this guy was a politically motivated spy rather than an economic one. The fact that he got so close to the centre and there were no reprisals after the wars show how rubbish Sikh counter-intellgence/spying was back then.

Obviously your magical powers arent as good as you thought they were.

The Sikhsangat discussion on this story is worth a read.

http://www.yespunjab.com/punjab/item/31744-migrant-labourer-arrested-for-brutal-murder-of-13-year-old-sangrur-girl