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  1. can someone please enlighten me who founded the bk? was it sukhdev singh ? or the canadian singh parmar? who headed it from 78 to 84? did the leaderships merge or were/are these two distinct groups? how did they end up with the same banner if they are seperate? are the groups aims and objectives still the same as pre and post 84?
  2. not that im aware of. I am not from any jatha, but your most welcome to go down to soho rd gurdwara and ask to meet bhai sahib mohinder singh ji face to face and talk to him about this topic.
  3. theres one part of this british indian history i dont understand, cany any1 please help clear this up. on the one hand we are told during british times the sikhs aligned themselves with the british and fought and gave sacrifices to the british raj in the world wars, on the other sikhs were fighting against the british rule. look at the dates of the second world war and the date of indian independance not far apart. or were there two sets of sikhs one loyal to british one against. i have even heard some sikhs say they were better off under british rule than indian rule, while others say the british treated all asians like animals. if that was the case i have another question how many indians were there? how many british soldiers were there? how cud the british maintain control over indians for 190 years as subject second class citizens unless a large chunk of indians agreed to this and worked actively with it to help theminute number of british soldiers?
  4. sangat ji, something happened to me yesterday. i wanted to visit southall gurdwara havelock on my way i stopped off to get a quick snack , i stopped off at a punjabi shop for a paneer samosa , nowhere to park on da way, so i thought ok il park in da gurdwara premises underground car park quickly munch and den go in. car park was kinda dark, cudnt see much, anyways tucked in, felt spicey more mircha dis time and rubbery i thought maybe they jus put in some new ingredient to it, cos each time i had it in past tastes different from da previous time depending how they make the paneer and what stuff they add in. however as i got on my 5th bite it starting feeling like meat the texture felt heavier emember the taste of meat from my maas days , so i turn my light on, it was a keema samosa. i had jus eaten a keema samosa in a gurdwara premises. it aint jus a car park on da side secluded away from darbaar sahib, 2 levels above me directly the guru granth sahib is there. i felt a combination of worry, shock, emotion, i first went to darbar sahib and asked for maafi, the shop closed it was 5pm. now i feel kinda weird and down about it, disheartened what shud i do? im not amritdhari, but i feel done summit wrong. i know it wasnt my fault but what shud i do? i was only visiting da area from a distance away and wanted to see the gurdwara. i know im gonna get rinsed for going darbaar sahib after but the situation wasnt as if id eaten the meat outside den went in , i actually eating it inside the gurdara premises. i cudnt just leave my conciousness told me to go to guru and ask for forgivness. but i feel edgy bout it. shaheed singhs stand at the nishaan sahib and protect gurughar, naam simran and bhagti valey singhs have done bhagti at this gurughar. help yaroh what shud be done?
  5. 15.85 Kou Bhaiyo mundeeaa sanyasi kou jogi bhaio kou brahmchari kou jati unmaanbo. Some one shaves his head and becomes a Sanyasi, another becomes a yogi , yet another Brahmchari and yet another an ascetic. Hindoo, Turk kou Rafji Imaam Safi maanas ki jaat sabhai ekai pahchanbo. Some are hindus, others are muslims, some are Rafjis, Imaams and safis, but all belong to the one race of humanity. Karta Kareem soi Raazak Raheem cee, doosro na bhed koi bhool bharm maanbo. Karta (1) and Karim (2) are one and the same (God). He is called Razak (3) and Rahim(3); there is no difference; to think otherwise would be a mistake. Ekhi ki sev sabhi ko Gurdev ek ek hi saroop sabhai ekai jot jaanbo. Worship only 1 God , who is supreme Guru of all, and regard His Form as one and His light as pervading in all. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Hindus call God Karta which means Creator. 2) the muslims call God Karim which means the Good. 3) Razak = Sustainer Rahim = The Compassionate 16.86 Dehuraa masit soee pooja oh nivaj oee maanas sabhai ek pai anek ko bhramaau hai. God is in the temple as well as in the mosque.He is in the Hindu worship as well as in the muslim prayer. All men are basically the same, though they appear different through our mistake (1). Devta adev jachh gandharab turk hindoo, niaray niaray desan kay bhes ko prabhaau hai. Deities, demons, heavenly musicians, hindoos and muslims are all one , though they use different dresses according to the influence of regional customs. Ekai nain ekai kaan ekai deh ekai baan, khaak baad, aatas au aab ko ralau hai. All men have the same eyes, ears, body and figure made out of the compounds of earth, air, fire and water. Alah Abekh soi, Puraan au Quraan oee, ek hi saroop sabhai ek hi banaau hai. Allah ( of muslims) Abekh of hindus are one and the same, the Puraanas and Quraan are His (praise). they are all of the same form; the one Lord has made them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Religions should emphasise the Fatherhood Of God and brotherhood of man instead of differences in matters of worship, doctrine, ritual and dress. 17.87 Jaisay ek aag tay kanooka kot aag uthaay niyaray niyaray hui kay fer aag mai milaahgay. As out of a single fire , millions of sparks emerge and though seperate, they come back again as they fall in the fire. Jaisay ek dhoor tay anek dhoor poorat hai, dhoor kay kanooka fer dhoor hi sammaahgay. As out of a heap of dust, particles of dust fly up filling the air, but soon they come down and fall in the heap of dust. Jaisay ek nad tay tarang kot upjat hai, paan kay tarang sabhai paan hi kahaahgay. As out of a single river, numerous ripples rise up, but soon, being water, fall into the river again. Taisay bisvi roop tay abhoot bhoot pragat hoi, tahee tay upaj sabhai tahee mai samaahgay. So from God spring non living things and living beings , and as they come from Him shall all merge in Him again.
  6. Sri Gur Pratap Suraj Granth Raas 1 Ansu 55 - Kavi Santokh Singh " The construction service for Baoli was being rendered continuously by the sikhs. Those Who came under the gracious glance of the Guru attained the light of knowledge. The lime prepared nicely and grounded with love alongwith bricks and mud were being bought over their heads. No one was guiding anyone, everyone was absorbed in His service. Some came back after delivery and others went in with the ingredients to the artisans. As they performed service with love, the clairvoyant Guru would know it. He fulfilled their wishes, as He pervaded within all of them. One of the sikhs of the Guru lived in Kabul, who had a very chaste wife. She was absorbed in love and affection for him at all times and none else came in her thoughts. That sikh gave instruction regarding the tenets of blissful Sikhism to his wife. That lady attained the wonderful power by which she could reach instantly wherever she wanted. Within a very short time, she could go to thousands of miles without getting delayed. With having such great power and with absorption in love for her husband, she came to know of the services of the sikhs at the site of Baoli Sahib, where the work was on under the supervision of the Guru, the treasure of great qualities. With small service, one could attain great reward. Thus who could leave the performance of such service? That lady came from kabul and performed service of digging and carrying the materials. She used to take the lime and bricks to the artisans with great love and eagerness. While doing work, she did not talk to anyone, worshipping the feet of the Guru in her heart. When the night was near, she became invisible and returned to her home in kabul. She had meals with her family, keeping her son close to her. In the morning she would come again suddenly and begin her services remembering Guru Nanak Dev. The others would feel surprised and could not know the secret of that lady. While performing service, she would stretch her hand in order to swing the cradle and then continue her work, but again after some time she would stretch her hand for swinging the cradle. Wherefrom she comes and where she goes always? the sikhs could not know it and thus were marvelled. they could not even know the secret of stretching the hand and felt greatly surprised. They discussed the issue amongst themselves, but no one could know the reason. She was inwardly conscious with concentrated attention and work incessantly. She was always busy in service performing lovingly, ever alert in effort and without idleness. Several days passed this way, the sikh brethren were ever in wonder. All of them gathered together and went to the True Guru, Guru Amar Daas. They asked with great surprise: "Oh True Lord! A lady comes and performs service alongwith other sikhs. In the evening she disappears. We try to see her, but she is nowhere to be seen. When the day dawns, she is visible again and performs service like other sikhs. there is another wonderful thing done by her, while performing service, wherever she sits she stretches her hand and then puts it back in natural position. We have been watching her, but have not been able to know the secret. For many days we have watched her, but today we want to know her secret from your honour. Tell us who is she and from which town and home she comes? How she reaches there and how she disappears? be kind and tell us and remove the illusion from our mind." On listening to the request of his sikhs, the Guru said "there is a sikh of mine in kabul, this lady is his wife and both of them love each other very much. She is a virtuous and chaste woman and very fortunate. she is ever ready for the service of the Guru. She considers her husband as God and ever ready to obey his commands. the thought of anyone else does not come to her mind and is ever absorbed in the love of her husband. She contemplates the Guru in her heart and never tells this to anyone. her husband has asked her to perform the service of the Guru and thus serving her husband, she has attained the powers. She comes and goes according to her wish like the adepts. In the morning she comes to perform service and when the evening falls, she goes back to her home in kabul. She puts her son in the cradle. While performing the service here, she scans him and stretching her hand swings the cradle. While doing the work, she stretches her hand and thus uses her power for swinging. From this place she fondles her son with affection pursues her service. She goes back during the night and takes care of him and feels very happy with her husband and son. For a wife there is no dharma like fidelity for her husband, which bestows on her such powers."
  7. Guru Granth Sahib Ji On Raja Janak Raag Maaroo on Pannaa 995 maaroo mehalaa 4 ghar 2 Maaroo, Fourth Mehl, Second House: ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru japiou naam suk janak gur bachanee har har saran parae Suk-deva and Janak meditated on the Naam; following the Guru's Teachings, they sought the Sanctuary of the Lord, Har, Har.
  8. Bhai Gurdaas ji compositions page 150 - Gobind Singh Manusukhani Bhagat vada Raja Janak Hai, Gurmukh maya vich udaasi. Dev Lok no chalyaa, gunn gundarb sabhaa sukhvaasi. Jampur gaiyaa pukaar sunn, vil - laavan jeea narak nivaasi. Dharm Rai no akhion, sabhna di kar bund khalaasi. karay benti Dharmrai, hau sewak Thaakur abnaasi. Gahnay dhariunn ek Naau, paappaa naal karai nirjaasi. Paasang paap na pujnee, Gurmukh Nau atul na tulaasi. Narkahu chhutay jea jant, katee galah silak jam faasi. Mukt jugat Naavaidi daasi. Raja Janak was a great king as well as a saint, who remained unaffacted by worldly temptations. He proceeded to heaven in the company of singing angels and holy men. Hearing cries coming from hell , he went there and saw people in great torment. He said to Dharm Raj - the presiding angel of hell " release these unfortunate people". Dharm Raj replied " i am only a servent of God, my master". Then janak put the weight of the holy name ( use of God's holy name can overcome mountains of sin) on one side of a pair of spiritual scales; on the other side he placedc the burden of sins of the hell stricken. Behold! The total weight of the sins was not even a quarter of the immeasurable weight of the Holy Name. The sinners fetters were broken and they were released. Salvation and means of liberation are within the powers of saintly persons.
  9. The Harmonium - Friend or Foe? The harmonium was an egg laid in the nest of sangeet by the passing cuckoo bird of Western colonization. Easy to learn, it requires less time to master than a string instrument. Thus, one by one, it thrust out the other instruments from the sacred nest, occupying the place of honour as well as severely reducing the tonal beauty and instrumental subtlety of traditional sangeet. Bhagat kabir ji - "When the strings are broken, the rabab can't play. Man has spoiled his own affairs." (Rag Asa, p. 478) Bhai Gurdas ji "Ragas are played upon the rabab, but time and again Its tuning pegs must be adjusted." Bhai Gurdas on Sikhism The Ganga at Banares is for the Hindus Muslims go to the Kaba at Mecca; But in every house of Baba all are singing Playing the cymbals, mrdang and rabab. Guru Arjan Dev: The Goal of KirtanYour humble servant dances and sings Your Glorious Praises. He plays the rabab, pakhawaj, kartals and bells, and the unstruck sound current of the Shabad resounds. Guru Arjan Dev: The EpilogueHow to dance without the music? How to sing without a voice? How to play rabab without the strings? Make your hands the kartals, your eyes the pakhawaj, and your forehead the rabab to play upon. Let the sweet flute resound in your ears, and with your tongue, vibrate this song. Move your mind like the rhythmic hand-motions; do the dance, and shake your ankle bracelets. This is the rhythmic dance of the Lord. The Merciful Audience, the Lord, sees all your make-up and decorations. Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Ramkali (p. 884) has referred to inner states of consciousness and their musical and mystical character: This in the inner dance of the soul experiencing the pulse and life-current of Divinity.
  10. The Harmonium - Friend or Foe? The harmonium was an egg laid in the nest of sangeet by the passing cuckoo bird of Western colonization. Easy to learn, it requires less time to master than a string instrument. Thus, one by one, it thrust out the other instruments from the sacred nest, occupying the place of honour as well as severely reducing the tonal beauty and instrumental subtlety of traditional sangeet. Bhagat kabir ji - "When the strings are broken, the rabab can't play. Man has spoiled his own affairs." (Rag Asa, p. 478) Bhai Gurdas ji "Ragas are played upon the rabab, but time and again Its tuning pegs must be adjusted." Bhai Gurdas on Sikhism The Ganga at Banares is for the Hindus Muslims go to the Kaba at Mecca; But in every house of Baba all are singing Playing the cymbals, mrdang and rabab. Guru Arjan Dev Ji: The Mystical Rabab Make your hands the kartals, your eyes the pakhawaj, and your forehead the rabab to play upon. Let the sweet flute resound in your ears, and with your tongue, vibrate this song. Move your mind like the rhythmic hand-motions; do the dance, and shake your ankle bracelets. This is the rhythmic dance of the Lord. The Merciful Audience, the Lord, sees all your make-up and decorations. Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Ramkali (p. 884) has referred to inner states of consciousness and their musical and mystical character: This in the inner dance of the soul experiencing the pulse and life-current of Divinity. The rabab is compared with the forehead which is the gateway to the Tenth Door. Again the instrument is suggestive of spiritual liberation. Guru Arjan Dev: The Goal of KirtanYour humble servant dances and sings Your Glorious Praises. He plays the rabab, pakhawaj, kartals and bells, and the unstruck sound current of the Shabad resounds. Guru Arjan Dev: The EpilogueHow to dance without the music? How to sing without a voice? How to play rabab without the strings?
  11. i understand this a lil better now so ramgaria gurdwaras were built as a result of caste discrimination against terkhans. suppose non terkhans also want to become part of the committee in ramgaria gurdwaras is that allowed??
  12. i remember reading in the book sikh predictions that for a while the future sikhs will be divided by caste , but in the end will come together inline with other happenings at a time when the panth will bein a grave danger after suffering major setbacks for a long period. but the outcome is meant to be good.
  13. This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Kaanraa on Pannaa 1305 kaanarraa mehalaa 5 Kaanraa, Fifth Mehl thattan khattan jattan homan naahee dda(n)ddadhhaar suaao ||1|| Making pilgrimages to sacred rivers, observing the six rituals, wearing matted and tangled hair, performing fire sacrifices and carrying ceremonial walking sticks - none of these are of any use. This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Salok Vaaraan Thay Vadheek on Pannaa 1413 salok mehalaa 3 Shalok, Third Mehl: hom jag sabh theerathhaa parrih pa(n)ddith thhakae puraan || The Pandits, the religious scholars, have grown weary of making fire-offerings and sacrifices, making pilgrimages to all the sacred shrines, and reading the Puraanas. bikh maaeiaa mohu n mittee vich houmai aavan jaan || But they cannot get rid of the poison of emotional attachment to Maya; they continue to come and go in egotism
  14. neelee siaahee kadhaa karanee pehiran pair dhhiaan The blackness of sin is erased by my wearing of blue clothes, and meditation on the Lord's Lotus Feet is my robe of honor. Guru Nanak Dev Ji Siree Raag 16
  15. i have always in the past presumed my faith loves and respects other dharms to the extent where they are considered as equal pathways to God. I have in the past qouted this verse to non sikhs and sikhs alike 1)save ALL the children, by whichever way, through whichever door, but to save them from the BURNING WORLD 'jagat jalanda rakh lay , apanee kirpaa dhaar jit duaaraay ubaray tithay lehu ubaar' I came across this verse again on a akj site posting. However somebody has just came along and sed something which has just made me question this belief saying it is misinterpreted by the entire panth. The response is below, can anyone help clear the confusion as to what this shabad really means? Is the author of the first qoute posting correct or the second response below? If the answer is the second one then does that mean other pathways are not recognised as capable to get to the same goal within this life? 2)The misinterpretation of this Gurbani Pankiti is rife in Panth. The meanings of this pankiti should be as follows: Vaheguru, Protect the burning world through your divine grace. Whichever way they can be delivered, through whichever special one doorway they can be delivered, deliver them. The ones who are interpret this to mean that there are many doors of deliverance are wrong. This pankiti actually makes it clear that there is only one doorway and that of course is the doorway of Gurmat. According to Gurbani Viyakaran, the word “duaarai†is a singular noun of “Karan Kaarak†kind. The dulaavaan in the end of this word prove that this word is a singular. Then the kirya i.e. verb – Ubrai too is a singular verb. Guru Sahib is saying in the pankiti to deliver the world no matter what it takes. Whichever that doorway is through which this world can be saved, deliver this world through that single doorway. These above stated meanings have been done based on the meanings done by Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee was of very strong opinion that only Gurmat Dharam i.e. the Faith of Guru Nanak Dev jee alone offers full salvation or full deliverance from this world into Sach Khand. Daas,
  16. ok no probs il email the shastervidia site and ask them i just noticed your message you wont be posting on this topic further.
  17. thank you sangatoh for your replies and you narsingha for the time and effort you have taken in your response however i wish to ask you how do you feel about shastervidia beingtaught to anyone regardless of race colour creed if people from different religionms creeds etc would use it against sikhs from the example of the first post (hats if it is true).
  18. Sikh girl abducted, converted to Islam YUDHVIR RANA TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2003 01:10:32 AM ] AMRITSAR: A six-year-old Sikh girl in Pakistan has reportedly been converted to Islam by a tribesman who abducted and held her for more than a month after her parents refused to ransom her. This was revealed by intelligence sources here on Sunday. This is reportedly the most sensitive incident of conversion in the recent past. Earlier, reports of mass conversion of Hindus in Pakistan under threat had been pouring in. According to sources, Harvinder Kaur had been kept in Tirah valley of Khyber but no one helped the poor parents who had been running from pillar to post for recovery of the child. Reports received by intelligence agencies here state Harvinder has been given a new name, Amina, by a powerful tribesman Malikdin Khel. It is learnt that, after the news spread and Sikh bodies in Pakistan took up the issue, human rights organisations in the country had constituted a committee to probe the incident. Sources said the girl's family is being pressurised to not publicise the issue and has reportedly been threatened of dire consequences. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll...?artid=38406128 http://groups.msn.com/SikhsInUk/general.ms...38&all_topics=0
  19. hi i found this on the akj forum, not out of spite i put this here so please take a breather, for a question that is troubling my mind. The post has raised a question about nihung policy on the teaching of ghatka shastervidia to anyone regardless of race colour creed. If people from other backgrounds wud use this art back on sikhs shud it be taught to anyone??? http://www.akj.org/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=9664&t=9664 bravekhalsa Date: 08-04-03 21:01 I don't if this story is relevant to this but when I was in India I learnt some Gatka from this singh. One day I brought along a hindu friend of mine(he was my best friend) to the Akhara. And I asked my teacher if my friend could learn too. My friend is very nice not like other hindus. But my teacher refused and humiliated him by making fun of his last name which was "soori". He didn't have to make fun of him. But anyway I asked my teacher the next day why did he refuse to teach him. He said that before 1984 some nihang singhs had hindu friends and they taught them gatka. and during the Riots of 84 these same hindu friends attacked the singhs and used the same gatka skills on their teachers to beat and kill them. I know even tho this story only talks about hindus but not every mona is not gona come into sikhi just by learning gatka. thing is some monay people just want to learn it cuz gatka is a cool martial art. according to some " its a punjabi martial arts" but Guru Hargobind Sahib Jee invented it to teach his sikhs only. Its not only a physical but spirtual/mental technique of fighting. We need to keep the religious value of it. Other wise it might end up people teaching gatka in shops like other martial arts. forgive me if I said anything wrong.
  20. hey guys im just looking at the reality dont take it personal that im for or against anything. i just like us to question ourselves at times and self introspect, for the better. back to few pointers, pakistan (land of the pure = pak), majority of the muslims in pak panjab, nfwp, sind wanted this pakistan to be made and worked together to achieve it, a point where we could take a lesson in mobilisation and unity . however they also did bad in driving the minorities out by force which resulted in 400 000 sikhs being slaughtered by pakistanis and countless millions of sikhs and hindus forced to become refujees and migrate to india. kashmirs balance of population was 35% native kashmiri hindu, and 65% muslim kashmiri which was changed during the indo pak wars and the mujahadeen element driving non muslim minorities out by force humilation etc in order to secure a higher muslim percentage vote in the future legitamising a single call for a seperate muslim state. Now today the state is majority 95 odd % muslim while native kashmiri hindus migrated to jammu. demands for the seperation of kashmir surivived to now due to the by the excesses committed by the indian gov to this day, there is popular muslim kashmiri outcry. Sikhi doesnt teach sikhs to drive people out by force in order to achieve or conquer land. in panjab the sikh population is around 60 percent and 40 % hindu. punjabi hindus obviously wudnt opt for a khalistan . if the majoirity of sikhs pressed ahead for a khalistan i believe there wud be at least some inch of development of ground but there doesnt even seem to be that atthe moment. So if they dont want it its as simple as that. how many sikhs do you know in punjab who want khalistan??? If sikhs wanted something they have shown as in history came together to achieve it. All u hear is a few tall cries in the west " lets make khalistan", go to india its another story, they dont wanna know as mentioned b4. If they did they wudnt be sitting there they would fight to the end as shown in previous times. Now if 40% of proposed democratic khalistans population mass say no we dont want it, and the majority of 60% dont wanna know but the 3 million diaspora sikhs outside india do what do u do?? what can you do? nothing. unless the masses want a khalistan its not going to appear out of thin air. in short wehave a lot to do as a community and progress to make. to me its common sense lets live as sikhs shud and function the way guru ji taught and not blindly ignore our problems but to strengthen our community in order for greater things ahead. Now to drugs, we all have problems on thsi world, some of us come from dysfunctional families, abuse history, racism, low confidence, yet some of us abstain from drugs some of us want to take them. Drugs are just as readily available here as they are in india. I do believe the govs can play a bigger role in stopping this horrible disease, but they let it carry on, not just in panjab but around the world including india and pakistan. Bottom line we take the choice to use or abstain from drugs. If sikhs take to drugs drink or anything they shudnt, it is them to blame for taking that whilst knowing full well the consequences spiritually. if they are not aware whos fault is that?? im sure the moghuls tried to press sikhs to do all kinds of things, how comes the sikhs of the past didnt give in?? we obviously have some introspecting to do. Is there the indian gov holding a reefer to your throat??? threatening you to take something against ur own will with 20 million sikhs? or is the sikh willingly taking drugs?? compare that to the past when moghuls used force. see to me its like a kid riding a bike , he or she is taught to ride it by an elder , then he or she starts peddling on their own. that is the fate of the sikhs today whereas these things may have deliberatly pushed in but today the sikhs are doing them by theirselves its them who has to stop. In my eyes if i did something that is against sikhi no matter how much pressure i am under i am to blame for taking the concious decision and doing that whatever. i hear silly arguments blaming hindus for sikhs following caste. If i sit here and say "putt jatta de balondey bakrey" or " ramgharia de whatever" how do hindus pushing us to believe it fit into this? its us as sikhs who have chosen to believe it no one is forcing us to follow this system here and now. hindus aint exactly holding a blade to your throat forcigint u to believe caste. How can we progress if we are going to sit here all day blaming others for the problems we have?? no one is goign tohelp us, its us who have to stand up and make corrections. You can sit here all day saying they are doing this that to us , end of day whats the result? nothing. We can at this time just become sikhs and strengthen our community from the bad patch it is in now by working for its upliftment and take example from groups like fateh who do seva. i hope i havent offended anyone.
  21. till sikhs become sikhs where is this khalsa stan? till sikhs throw away these caste labels, caste gurdwara segregation caste wars caste villages, then how can this khalsastan come when we dont even mix between ourselves with the social cohesion propounded by guru ji. shraab vice what not on the ground level where is khalistan coming from?? thin air? a just demand or not, does that tally with the situationof panjab today and will it contribute to the betterment of the panth until we sort ourselves out ?. What are these leaders doing in the westenr countires crying khalistan when we have multiple sects, youth on drugs, crime prostituition in west delhis slums, corruption at the highest levels down to society. If these leaders want a khalistan then let us see them first make a change to the sikh society without that how can there be a khalistan which is defined as " land of the pure". how can this land come practically unless steps are taken to work towards it individually collectively? sant attar singh has foretold everything will be sorted out when each one of us get up in the morning do amritvela and simran in response to the state of political affairs of the sikh nation. if these leaders call themselves as such they shud be working amongst the sikh masses as the greats of the time have done. guru Gobind Singh ji moulded a sikh as a practical person who would counter anything in kaal not people sitting there making tall claims on how things shud be, his sikhs went out and made that difference to society, did seva on various levels that created an impact on society arouind them regardless of caste creed tribe race religion.
  22. khalistan appears at the moment to be a passion than ground reality in panjab. eg hindus make up 40 percent of the population in panjab. What role wud they play in a khalistan? wud they have any political clout? wud khalistan be democratic or just based on religious principles that r set up by man or groups? we need to expand upon this khalistan issue more than just a sikh homeland cos its not like that in panjab and it never has been even if u ask ur grandparents there were proprtions of all religions there bak even 100 years ago. I understand the dire need of economical rehabilitation, religious rights of sikhs in panjab and the need of a set up where sikhs can practice their faith and live with real freedom given from god , but theres questions that need to be answered how khalistan wud be on the ground. how can we rely on agriculture alone to get us by? we need various industry , ports were can import export goods, but panjab doesnt have that..a nation of 20 million, how many wud be willing to man border upon border on all 4 sides facing hostility? ( dont forget theres sikhs serving in indian army in kashmir do u think the kashmiris will forget? and will the paks 4get?) type in " operation tupac" on yahoo search, the pakistan military planned to overtake panjab 10 years ago once kashmir went. if that happened what wud have become of the sikhs if they fought back? and with what? recently there were caste wars in one pind of panjab, why are there villages still existing with members of certain castes grouped up? why isnt there a mixture and total equality the kind that satguru guru gobind singh ji had in mind? if we cant work towards living his principles then how can we say we want a khalistan a state based on purity of faith when we r ridden with caste problems? the very core start wud be us making a social change with all panjabis and break these caste barriers down we can do that now, we dont need to send 300 000 sikhs to die for a khalistan to achieve that..what we left with a shorter p[opulation closer to extinction.. how will a seperate panjab or khalistan govern? and will it be fair to all which i personally believe is what our guru ji had in mind. very soon the water in panjab is running down so many other economical problems, lack of state education funding, we need control of our water supply and ecomony, more autonomy wud be a step closer and i feel wud be a short term answer to our problems experiment with that..and wud avoid the cost of human lives.. for those who talk about martydoms try visiting the mothers and fathers of slain gursikhs, they died for the orders of politicians who advovcated khalistan then went bak to india and live in mansions. while the parents, children brothers sisters, of those who died r living with loss, grief, frustration, their children didnt need to die. little kids have to grow up without fathers and mothers in panjab, whos gonna help them? whos seen the state of the sikhs in west delhis refuge colonies?? we need democratic automony that wudnt take more lives and keeps both sides happy, no one is cutting up the country and at the same time sikhs and hindu panjabis have more democracy to govern their affairs , safegaurd their rights, promote growth of society and the economy and live in tolerance with all mankind as well as having a great voice to demonstate internationally against both india and pakistan to become nuclear weopons free region, which in the event of war panjab wud have been the first casualty being placed in the middle. if u look at the start of the khalistan issue in the post british era it was about inequality against sikhs and panjabis, the state responded believeing their was a threat against their nation, so what cud be the solution to keep both sides happy? autonomy within india. hence no ones unhappy :-)
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